[google-appengine] Doom day

[Kaan Soral]

 * "The 50% discount for frontend instance hours will expire on December 
1st. Please check your Billing History page and update your 
budgetif
 necessary."

Since Python 2.7 is problematic, we have already been paying a lot with %50 
discounted prices ... My daily costs went up to 90$ from 40$ before new 
pricing, now it will be ~160$s ... 4x ...
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RE: [google-appengine] Doom day

[Brandon Wirtz]

Don't think that I don't feel your pain, and I did rib the guys last night
about the time frame for the pricing. (they clearly are sensitive to the
matter)

 

But What did you expect?   I went in to the beta expecting release pricing
to be 4-5x the beta price.  Sounds like that was spot on for you.

 

I moved to 2.7 I'm very happy with it.  I don't know what is broken with
yours, I'll believe that it really is broken, but I will bet money, that if
you optimized your code you could knock 25% off your price. I'm also
guessing if you tuned the performance sliders you could knock another 25%
off.

 

-Brandon

 

 

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"The 50% discount for frontend instance hours will expire on December 1st.
Please check your Billing History page and update your budget
<http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html#Setting_a_Daily_Budget>
if necessary."

Since Python 2.7 is problematic, we have already been paying a lot with %50
discounted prices ... My daily costs went up to 90$ from 40$ before new
pricing, now it will be ~160$s ... 4x ...

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Re: [google-appengine] Doom day

[Andrius A]

We have a form for that, but so far looks like everyone is happy :) but if
you are not, please fill in
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&formkey=dC1DMmpPSU1WZnk0d1FMa3JmNXIwaGc6MQ#gid=0

On 1 December 2011 15:27, Kaan Soral  wrote:

> * "The 50% discount for frontend instance hours will expire on December
> 1st. Please check your Billing History page and update your 
> budgetif
>  necessary."
>
> Since Python 2.7 is problematic, we have already been paying a lot with
> %50 discounted prices ... My daily costs went up to 90$ from 40$ before new
> pricing, now it will be ~160$s ... 4x ...
> *
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Re: [google-appengine] Doom day

[Kaan Soral]

http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=6282
This is the problem

You may be right about the sliders
I am attaching my instances chart, any suggestions?
(I kept everything at automatic-automatic until now, trusting gae, but it 
seems it is over using instances)

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Re: [google-appengine] Doom day

[Gerald Tan]

If you set Max Idle Instance to automatic you will always pay for the total 
number of instances.
Looking at your chart I'd set Max Idle Instance to something between 20-25

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RE: [google-appengine] Doom day

[Brandon Wirtz]

Or this. 

 

http://www.xyhd.tv/2011/11/industry-news/setting-google-appengine-gae-perfor
mance-sliders-for-instance-and-latency/

 

 

From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com
[mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kaan Soral
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:27 AM
To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com
Subject: [google-appengine] Doom day

 

"The 50% discount for frontend instance hours will expire on December 1st.
Please check your Billing History page and update your budget
<http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html#Setting_a_Daily_Budget>
if necessary."

Since Python 2.7 is problematic, we have already been paying a lot with %50
discounted prices ... My daily costs went up to 90$ from 40$ before new
pricing, now it will be ~160$s ... 4x ...

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Re: [google-appengine] Doom day

[Kaan Soral]

Great advice, thanks (to everyone)

I can't believe I was being billed for that much Idle instances, *my 
idiotness for not investigating further and trusting the scheduler and GAE 
for it *...
I probably paid 1k-2k extra for this mistake

Don't even want to think what I could do with that money ...

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RE: [google-appengine] Doom day

[Brandon Wirtz]

The scheduler isn't all things to all people, or all instances.  That's why
I have been trying to tell people to clamp it, and how to tune it (and
complaining about how it is tuned).

 

The Full Auto mode on instances can work if you tune the latency.  Full auto
on latency is almost always a bad idea.

 

We ran quite a few test passes to see what QoS users would get at different
settings on our app, and I would advise you to do the same thing.  Testing
in a Vacuum really lets you get a sense of how many you need of what.

 

Crawling through the apps that appear in Google Search results (yes I crawl
results I have a bot) I found that VERY few of them set cache headers.
People keep telling me why those don't matter, but I'm telling you, even the
least cachable apps on the planet have HTTP requests re-polled by ISPs, the
Alexa Bot, and other things, so if you aren't using HTTPS you should enable
Cache Headers to save a minimum of 10%.

 

 

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Great advice, thanks (to everyone)

I can't believe I was being billed for that much Idle instances, my
idiotness for not investigating further and trusting the scheduler and GAE
for it ...
I probably paid 1k-2k extra for this mistake

Don't even want to think what I could do with that money ...

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