[google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
If I was spreading misinformation you would have served me (another) CD. We have been there, done that. Didn't work out last time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
Glad you have good luck. That hasn't been the case for many others, and it is not just the captcha. Several Schools found that their students couldn't go to their own sites because the Net Nanny deemed their School Porn sites because of a Shared IP. Very weak point. GAE also has a pool of shared IP adresses and allows hardcore pornography. You should know best since you've created your own porn site on GAE and posted it everywhere in this group for your little policy-test. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
PS. My porn site received 5 visitors yesterday. I don't really want to be in the porn business, I just want to know if the world changes one day and Google turns the site off. It is a Canary. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
Very weak point. GAE also has a pool of shared IP adresses and allows hardcore pornography. You should know best since you've created your own porn site on GAE and posted it everywhere in this group for your little policy-test. I think it is a very strong point. If you install CloudFlare to Prevent the AppEngine Limitation, it won't work. Where as if you get a Static, or use a non-porn enabled host you won't have that issue. If you use CF to enable China, you may not always be enabled. If you use A Squid at Amazon Or Rack Space, you will. And if you use route 53 you can make sure that all your non-China traffic can still be routed to AppEngine. Also, it appears that Net-Nanny type software tends to flag appengine as a Proxy By Pass site rather than porn. I am probably the only porn provider on AppEngine because you can't have a good Domain Name. But most blockers do block *.appspot.com because of all the Mior (is that the right number of R's?) Web Proxy's on the service. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
That's easy to address. I asked our CEO, who also happens to be a lawyer, if we have ever sent you a CD letter from the company or from our attorneys. His response: No. Perhaps it was some other company? On Friday, May 25, 2012 2:16:05 AM UTC-7, Brandon Wirtz wrote: If I was spreading misinformation you would have served me (another) CD. We have been there, done that. Didn't work out last time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/cK-Yqsqcx6gJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
RE: [google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
Damon, Seeing as you only hit up the GAE forums when you want to push your product, you are a spammer. That said. Since you want to claim your product competes with my product, and that I'm a Kia to your Rolls Royce, I'll play. My typical client has a $30k a month bill with their current provider before they come to us. We reduce that by 2/3s and take half. We don't work with clients who will generate less than $2000 a month in billings. What is yours? Our Cheap package CDN In A Box is truly meant for SEO clients who got kicked out of Google because Cloud Flare Screwed them over. I didn't even offer that service until we picked up our 15th client who was in that boat. I am much happier telling people use AWS, or Rack with Squid, rather than signing them up, because I don't want to support a $30 a month client. And if they are a $300 a month kind of client I push them to IAS on Azure. We offer the following enterprise features which do you have? Load balancing and Server Delegation by Path: (yourdomain.com/users and yourdomain.com/sales need not go to the same backend device) Session and Authentication off loading: (we can be your Pay Wall and prevent the need to do pay wall or security integration in your code) Bcrypt Acceleration with GPU: (we can off load all of your Bcrypt so that you can offer faster more secure authentication) Points of presence in China, Armenia, Turkmenistan, Hondura, Ethiopia, to keep sites up even during black outs. Last known Good Uptime Protection: In the event a site is down we will serve the last know good version until it comes back up. Automatic Malware Removal: In the event that you are hacked Malware is automatically removed from the pages served to the end user. We will also automatically filter infected binaries. And Log all canonical tags for inspection to confirm those are not hijacks. Proxy Side Templating: Templates can be applied at the proxy reducing the bandwidth and load on the origin server Multi-source Page Creation: User Customization of content can be sourced independently of the primary content, allowing for better caching and reduced load. Load balancing, failover, and Geo Optimization using multiple networks: Because we run on GAE, Azure, Rack, AWS, and Co-located servers in specific countries, the Internet has to suffer cataclysmic failure for us to be down. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
Brandon, I admire your chutzpah (especially the combination of calling someone else a spammer in the same message that you include the contents of one of your marketing pages), but really, enough. I'm quite happy that CloudFlare has chosen to participate in this forum - I've tried to encourage it through what contacts I have. And so far, I'm happy with their service. If you want to point out specific issues that we (users) should be aware of, I'd love to hear it, but screwed over isn't really enough technical detail. And the tone makes you look like a jerk. As far as I'm aware, the biggest complaint is that the integrated DOS protection system will sometimes false-positive users with a CAPCHA. This is, AFIACT, a non-issue if you disable the DOS protection system (which I have - I can always turn it on manually). If you'd like to explain why I'm making a mistake by using this service, I'm listening, but it had better be good. Jeff (a paying customer of CF, and I know a member of the engineering staff there, but otherwise I don't have a horse in this race) On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: Damon, Seeing as you only hit up the GAE forums when you want to push your product, you are a spammer. That said. Since you want to claim your product competes with my product, and that I'm a Kia to your Rolls Royce, I'll play. My typical client has a $30k a month bill with their current provider before they come to us. We reduce that by 2/3s and take half. We don't work with clients who will generate less than $2000 a month in billings. What is yours? Our Cheap package CDN In A Box is truly meant for SEO clients who got kicked out of Google because Cloud Flare Screwed them over. I didn't even offer that service until we picked up our 15th client who was in that boat. I am much happier telling people use AWS, or Rack with Squid, rather than signing them up, because I don't want to support a $30 a month client. And if they are a $300 a month kind of client I push them to IAS on Azure. We offer the following enterprise features which do you have? Load balancing and Server Delegation by Path: (yourdomain.com/users and yourdomain.com/sales need not go to the same backend device) Session and Authentication off loading: (we can be your Pay Wall and prevent the need to do pay wall or security integration in your code) Bcrypt Acceleration with GPU: (we can off load all of your Bcrypt so that you can offer faster more secure authentication) Points of presence in China, Armenia, Turkmenistan, Hondura, Ethiopia, to keep sites up even during black outs. Last known Good Uptime Protection: In the event a site is down we will serve the last know good version until it comes back up. Automatic Malware Removal: In the event that you are hacked Malware is automatically removed from the pages served to the end user. We will also automatically filter infected binaries. And Log all canonical tags for inspection to confirm those are not hijacks. Proxy Side Templating: Templates can be applied at the proxy reducing the bandwidth and load on the origin server Multi-source Page Creation: User Customization of content can be sourced independently of the primary content, allowing for better caching and reduced load. Load balancing, failover, and Geo Optimization using multiple networks: Because we run on GAE, Azure, Rack, AWS, and Co-located servers in specific countries, the Internet has to suffer cataclysmic failure for us to be down. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
RE: [google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
Jeff, Glad you have good luck. That hasn't been the case for many others, and it is not just the captcha. Several Schools found that their students couldn't go to their own sites because the Net Nanny deemed their School Porn sites because of a Shared IP. Sites have been delisted after the robot protection blocked their access. Sites with malformed HTML have had their page munged to the point that most of the page didn't render. Resulting in having their site mis-indexed or lose their rankings. And because CF just randomly improves their Page optimization tools it might not be because the user changed anything, and depending on which IP is serving the page at any moment it might not appear to the Site admin the way it does other users. Shared IPs have resulted in Legal Notices being sent to the wrong party. Often (I suspect) because CF provided the smaller clients contact information rather than the larger ones when responding to a court order. Jeff, I thought you had better taste in friends. When you have taken phone calls from people who are crying because of how bad a product worked for them, and how it has cost them their livelihood, or their reputation. You can tell me what a Jerk I am. Because we all know I have the appearance of a jerk. I like it that way. That way you know that I don't give a damn what people think, so I can be honest. When you have done a conference call with the school board of the IT administrator who installed CF because they thought it would save them money, but is now on suspension for allowing porn to be installed school computers, even though there was none, because of a False positive that resulted from Cloud Flare, you can judge me. When you have donated time to a YMCA camp that got delisted from Google because CF blocked the Google bot and as a result no one could find the website that was mentioned in the Radio ads they ran, and so their enrollment was off 30% and they almost shutdown. You can Judge me. As to posting my marketing materials being spam... If you think anyone on this list is a potential client for services in that price, and that those people would opt to buy rather than build, you have a different opinion of the types of people on this list than I do. I posted those because I do care about my reputation. Because I have earned it. You will never find a bad experience from any of my customers. Because I will fight tooth and nail for my customers. And I won't take a customer that my products won't work well for. I'll stick with my if you are considering trying to Reverse Proxy, or Reverse Nat your AppEngine, Squid on AWS, or IAS on Azure, depending if you are in the $20 or the $300 Price range. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
Cutting this down to only the relevant parts: On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: Several Schools found that their students couldn't go to their own sites because the Net Nanny deemed their School Porn sites because of a Shared IP. Seems like the issue of a shared IP is moot to people running on GAE. Or at least, it's a known issue that requires nontrivial effort to work around. From my own perspective, I find the $20/mo we pay for full-time ssl and an IP address shared with 20 other domains to be a reasonable compromise. The main thing is that I don't need to set up servers (virtual or otherwise). At any rate, I'm not sure it's fair to criticize CF over this issue. At the very least, it doesn't represent any additional problem over running on GAE's shared IPs - especially now that there is porn on GAE. Sites have been delisted after the robot protection blocked their access. The robot protection is optional. Turn it off. Sites with malformed HTML have had their page munged to the point that most of the page didn't render. Resulting in having their site mis-indexed or lose their rankings. And because CF just randomly improves their Page optimization tools it might not be because the user changed anything, and depending on which IP is serving the page at any moment it might not appear to the Site admin the way it does other users. There are two thoughts on this, both of which should be pretty obvious. Either turn off page optimization or simply don't serve malformed HTML. We choose the later approach. The HTML minification is actually really convenient. FWIW, I don't believe this kind of page optimization is enabled by default, so you really have to trip over it. Shared IPs have resulted in Legal Notices being sent to the wrong party. Often (I suspect) because CF provided the smaller clients contact information rather than the larger ones when responding to a court order. Amusing, but this doesn't keep me up at night. I'll stick with my if you are considering trying to Reverse Proxy, or Reverse Nat your AppEngine, Squid on AWS, or IAS on Azure, depending if you are in the $20 or the $300 Price range. I prefer infrastructure I don't have to maintain. Honestly, it feels like your crying customers really just needed someone competent to click the right buttons at CloudFlare. It really isn't rocket science either; the UI is pretty straightforward. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
RE: [google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
Honestly, it feels like your crying customers really just needed someone competent to click the right buttons at CloudFlare. It really isn't rocket science either; the UI is pretty straightforward. Jeff And I'm the jerk? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
I liked the part about point of presence in Turkmenistan and Ethiopia. LMAO On Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:50:04 AM UTC-7, Brandon Wirtz wrote: Honestly, it feels like your crying customers really just needed someone competent to click the right buttons at CloudFlare. It really isn't rocket science either; the UI is pretty straightforward. Jeff And I'm the jerk? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/RbfP0xCTAdQJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
RE: [google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
Vlad, I donate a lot of time and resources to freedom of speech and human rights organizations. So we have servers in some really nasty places. And DNS in those places as well. I really wanted to have an Oceania server, but can't justify the price, and the blocking of content is usually of stuff hosted there, not them trying to get out. One of my primary missions in life is to enable citizens the ability to tell their story without government censorship. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
Seeing as you only hit up the GAE forums when you want to push your product, you are a spammer. The only reason I'm here is because of the following: 1. You're spreading misinformation about our product and making unfounded statements. 2. You're the one that decided to hop in and say negative things about our us. If anyone takes a look at the Google forums, or any other forum for that matter, I do not spam the forums with our product offerings at all. I address questions or concerns relative to CloudFlare get involved in trying to fix issues that may arise. I do not, unlike some other named party in this thread, look for mentions of a competitor and decide to slag them.. It would be very easy for me to look for mentions of you or your product, since there are so few mentions online, and try to jump in with some comment to discourage people from using it. I have chosen not to take that path...nor will I lower myself to your level of what you consider to be civil discourse. On May 24, 10:22 am, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: Damon, Seeing as you only hit up the GAE forums when you want to push your product, you are a spammer. That said. Since you want to claim your product competes with my product, and that I'm a Kia to your Rolls Royce, I'll play. My typical client has a $30k a month bill with their current provider before they come to us. We reduce that by 2/3s and take half. We don't work with clients who will generate less than $2000 a month in billings. What is yours? Our Cheap package CDN In A Box is truly meant for SEO clients who got kicked out of Google because Cloud Flare Screwed them over. I didn't even offer that service until we picked up our 15th client who was in that boat. I am much happier telling people use AWS, or Rack with Squid, rather than signing them up, because I don't want to support a $30 a month client. And if they are a $300 a month kind of client I push them to IAS on Azure. We offer the following enterprise features which do you have? Load balancing and Server Delegation by Path: (yourdomain.com/users and yourdomain.com/sales need not go to the same backend device) Session and Authentication off loading: (we can be your Pay Wall and prevent the need to do pay wall or security integration in your code) Bcrypt Acceleration with GPU: (we can off load all of your Bcrypt so that you can offer faster more secure authentication) Points of presence in China, Armenia, Turkmenistan, Hondura, Ethiopia, to keep sites up even during black outs. Last known Good Uptime Protection: In the event a site is down we will serve the last know good version until it comes back up. Automatic Malware Removal: In the event that you are hacked Malware is automatically removed from the pages served to the end user. We will also automatically filter infected binaries. And Log all canonical tags for inspection to confirm those are not hijacks. Proxy Side Templating: Templates can be applied at the proxy reducing the bandwidth and load on the origin server Multi-source Page Creation: User Customization of content can be sourced independently of the primary content, allowing for better caching and reduced load. Load balancing, failover, and Geo Optimization using multiple networks: Because we run on GAE, Azure, Rack, AWS, and Co-located servers in specific countries, the Internet has to suffer cataclysmic failure for us to be down. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
RE: [google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
Competitive would imply we actively compete in the market. Rolls Royce doesn't compete with Kia. Both make cars that is where the comparison ends. Or that Tent's compete with the housing market. Our Commercial Product does so much more than CF ever dreamed that they aren't in the same league, and our stop gap product is for clients that need a stop gap while they get things worked out. If you want access from mainland china setup a Reverse Caching Proxy on AWS or Rack. Use Route 53 so that you can send only your china traffic through it. You will be happy. You can also set up IAS on Azure which actually works really well and dynamically scales more easily than AWS. But we have had some issues with SSL Cert errors every so often for reasons no one can explain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
Rolls Royce doesn't compete with Kia. Both make cars that is where the comparison ends. Glad that you're admitting that CloudFlare is a Rolls Royce. Competitive would imply we actively compete in the market. And glad you finally admit to offering a service (CDN) that is somewhat competitive to CloudFlare. It also helps dispel any notion that your views on CloudFlare are either impartial or unbiased. On May 23, 5:13 pm, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: Competitive would imply we actively compete in the market. Rolls Royce doesn't compete with Kia. Both make cars that is where the comparison ends. Or that Tent's compete with the housing market. Our Commercial Product does so much more than CF ever dreamed that they aren't in the same league, and our stop gap product is for clients that need a stop gap while they get things worked out. If you want access from mainland china setup a Reverse Caching Proxy on AWS or Rack. Use Route 53 so that you can send only your china traffic through it. You will be happy. You can also set up IAS on Azure which actually works really well and dynamically scales more easily than AWS. But we have had some issues with SSL Cert errors every so often for reasons no one can explain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
Hi Eric, We haven't seen any issues with China and GAE per se. A couple of things: The primary problem, as you probably already know, is the GFW does often block by IP when they have an issue with a site. If they happen to block our IP for some reason, we have to move the site(s) to a different map.You should most certainly contact us if you see this happening a traceroute to the domain (with CloudFlare active and from China) would confirm. We don't run into this too often, however. China routes traffic in/out in a very controlled manner (I believe our network engineer said they only have 1 or 2 exit points). If you point your service to CloudFlare, all of the traffic from China would hit the United States (this would create a little latency for visitors from mainland China). If you're going to use SSL, you would want to make sure you're choosing the FLEXIBLE SSL option on CloudFlare (requires a Pro account) Performance Enhancement: You could enable optional services like Rocket Loader and Auto Minify (we also have some good things for Pro accounts coming soon) to further help speed up the site. On May 22, 7:49 pm, Eric Ka Ka Ng ngk...@gmail.com wrote: Thx you guys for all the suggestions (and debating ;)) Will, our site is for general public, not mission critical, so infrequent downtime or a few minutes glitches could be acceptable. Guess from your description it's not ideal solution but acceptable, and should apply to us too. Jeff, full-time SSL, according to you, should further minimize chances for getting blocked. i think we can consider that too, thx Brando and Damon, thx a lots for the debating and i learn a lots from it. Damon, we want to launch a site in China and I prefer to run on GAE (just becoz i'm more familiar with dev on GAE than like EC2 or others) If you have any advises /settings for using CF to help us to minimize downtime / enhance performance / increase rank on SE (or have actual figures for downtime with GAE apps on CF in China) , please drop me an email. thx! cheers, eric On 23 May 2012 07:49, Damon Billian da...@cloudflare.com wrote: 1. I have never viewed myself as a Cloud Flare Competitor. We built a Product because Cloud Flare F***ED so many bloggers and local businesses that we needed something that they could use as a stop gap until they could move to infrastructure that worked. Umm...your product isn't competitive? 2. BULL CRAP Prove something valid? Or something that wasn't resolved? 3. Infrequently yeah... When your site get delisted it makes you feel better that it only happens once every 100 days. There are tons of reasons that a site could get delisted from Google, using CloudFlare or not. To assume that we're the cause because they are on CloudFlare is flawed logic. I also explained the Google crawling from new IPs that could cause a temporary issue. I should encourage people to use Cloud Flare because it typically was very good for getting me SEO business. Yes, you should. Please do. I wouldn't Piss on a Cloud Flare employee if they were on fire. We wouldn't even accept it. 2. BULL CRAP 3. Infrequently yeah... When your site get delisted it makes you feel better that it only happens once every 100 days. I may be an ass at a time. I may have taken clients that are scum of the earth for doing reputation management. I wouldn't Piss on a Cloud Flare employee if they were on fire. That's where CF ranks in relationship to Cash For Gold, Politicians, and Pet Food companies that have had major recalls. I should encourage people to use Cloud Flare because it typically was very good for getting me SEO business. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
Hi Brandon, I think it would be helpful to clarify a few things: 1. You fancy yourself as a competitor to CloudFlare, so your comments here can hardly be considered as impartial. 2. CF often gets blocked by well... Pretty much everything because it is used by Pirates and Porn sites, and quite often you will share IP's with those. Not true at all. We actually have our IPs whitelisted at a number of places. We also wouldn't have established relationships with a large number of hosting providers if that were the case. Plus CloudFlare will throw Captcha's to Google Bot and that will cause your site to get de-ranked if not de-listed. This infrequently happens when Google adds new IPs that they do their crawls from. Fixed very quickly once we add the new IPs to our Macro we do a lot internally to identify search engine traffic so that the chances of a search engine actually getting challenged is very slim. On May 22, 1:48 pm, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: If you use CloudFlare you will be sad. You can put a Proxy/Squid on AWS and Use Route53 to do Geo-Balancing. CF often gets blocked by well... Pretty much everything because it is used by Pirates and Porn sites, and quite often you will share IP's with those. Plus CloudFlare will throw Captcha's to Google Bot and that will cause your site to get de-ranked if not de-listed. I used to make a lot of money cleaning up after CloudFlare. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
RE: [google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
1. I have never viewed myself as a Cloud Flare Competitor. We built a Product because Cloud Flare F***ED so many bloggers and local businesses that we needed something that they could use as a stop gap until they could move to infrastructure that worked. 2. BULL CRAP 3. Infrequently yeah... When your site get delisted it makes you feel better that it only happens once every 100 days. I may be an ass at a time. I may have taken clients that are scum of the earth for doing reputation management. I wouldn't Piss on a Cloud Flare employee if they were on fire. That's where CF ranks in relationship to Cash For Gold, Politicians, and Pet Food companies that have had major recalls. I should encourage people to use Cloud Flare because it typically was very good for getting me SEO business. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
1. I have never viewed myself as a Cloud Flare Competitor. We built a Product because Cloud Flare F***ED so many bloggers and local businesses that we needed something that they could use as a stop gap until they could move to infrastructure that worked. Umm...your product isn't competitive? 2. BULL CRAP Prove something valid? Or something that wasn't resolved? 3. Infrequently yeah... When your site get delisted it makes you feel better that it only happens once every 100 days. There are tons of reasons that a site could get delisted from Google, using CloudFlare or not. To assume that we're the cause because they are on CloudFlare is flawed logic. I also explained the Google crawling from new IPs that could cause a temporary issue. I should encourage people to use Cloud Flare because it typically was very good for getting me SEO business. Yes, you should. Please do. I wouldn't Piss on a Cloud Flare employee if they were on fire. We wouldn't even accept it. 2. BULL CRAP 3. Infrequently yeah... When your site get delisted it makes you feel better that it only happens once every 100 days. I may be an ass at a time. I may have taken clients that are scum of the earth for doing reputation management. I wouldn't Piss on a Cloud Flare employee if they were on fire. That's where CF ranks in relationship to Cash For Gold, Politicians, and Pet Food companies that have had major recalls. I should encourage people to use Cloud Flare because it typically was very good for getting me SEO business. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: GAE access from mainland china and cloudfare
Thx you guys for all the suggestions (and debating ;)) Will, our site is for general public, not mission critical, so infrequent downtime or a few minutes glitches could be acceptable. Guess from your description it's not ideal solution but acceptable, and should apply to us too. Jeff, full-time SSL, according to you, should further minimize chances for getting blocked. i think we can consider that too, thx Brando and Damon, thx a lots for the debating and i learn a lots from it. Damon, we want to launch a site in China and I prefer to run on GAE (just becoz i'm more familiar with dev on GAE than like EC2 or others) If you have any advises /settings for using CF to help us to minimize downtime / enhance performance / increase rank on SE (or have actual figures for downtime with GAE apps on CF in China) , please drop me an email. thx! cheers, eric On 23 May 2012 07:49, Damon Billian da...@cloudflare.com wrote: 1. I have never viewed myself as a Cloud Flare Competitor. We built a Product because Cloud Flare F***ED so many bloggers and local businesses that we needed something that they could use as a stop gap until they could move to infrastructure that worked. Umm...your product isn't competitive? 2. BULL CRAP Prove something valid? Or something that wasn't resolved? 3. Infrequently yeah... When your site get delisted it makes you feel better that it only happens once every 100 days. There are tons of reasons that a site could get delisted from Google, using CloudFlare or not. To assume that we're the cause because they are on CloudFlare is flawed logic. I also explained the Google crawling from new IPs that could cause a temporary issue. I should encourage people to use Cloud Flare because it typically was very good for getting me SEO business. Yes, you should. Please do. I wouldn't Piss on a Cloud Flare employee if they were on fire. We wouldn't even accept it. 2. BULL CRAP 3. Infrequently yeah... When your site get delisted it makes you feel better that it only happens once every 100 days. I may be an ass at a time. I may have taken clients that are scum of the earth for doing reputation management. I wouldn't Piss on a Cloud Flare employee if they were on fire. That's where CF ranks in relationship to Cash For Gold, Politicians, and Pet Food companies that have had major recalls. I should encourage people to use Cloud Flare because it typically was very good for getting me SEO business. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
