Re: [google-appengine] App Engine Weekly Community Update #1

2011-07-22 Thread Barry Hunter
Maybe a Google "Alert" for

site:groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/ intitle:"App Engine
Weekly Community Update"


http://www.google.com/alerts/

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Jay  wrote:
> This is a really great summary, a nice service Johan. Thank you for taking
> the time.
> I missed the IRC discussion. I'm sure one of the things discussed there was
> something about the best way to publish this. Obviously this group is a
> must. I'm trying to figure out a way where I can get this topic "Weekly
> Community Update" in email or rss. Anyone have any ideas?
> -- Jay
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Re: [google-appengine] App Engine Weekly Community Update #1

2011-07-22 Thread Rodrigo Moraes
Hi Jay,
This was also posted on Google Plus:

https://plus.google.com/111042085517496880918/posts/exjJoZwygq1

Until there're brand pages on g+, and then the weekly update could be posted 
on a 'App Engine' profile, you can follow Johan using the link above.

-- rodrigo

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Re: [google-appengine] App Engine Weekly Community Update #1

2011-07-22 Thread Jay
This is a really great summary, a nice service Johan. Thank you for taking 
the time. 
I missed the IRC discussion. I'm sure one of the things discussed there was 
something about the best way to publish this. Obviously this group is a 
must. I'm trying to figure out a way where I can get this topic "Weekly 
Community Update" in email or rss. Anyone have any ideas?

-- Jay

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Re: [google-appengine] App Engine Weekly Community Update #1

2011-07-22 Thread Johan Euphrosine
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Joshua Smith  wrote:
>

Hi Joshua,

> 61% of posts answered within 2 days
>
> 1. I am glad that you are tracking this.

I'm glad that you find interest into those metrics.

> 2. That's NOT a good percentage. Since this is your main support channel,
> this should be 99.995% in 1 day. I'm not kidding. If you want to be in the
> software business, walk the walk.

The purpose of the groups is for App Engine developer to help each
others, as per the group description:
"""
Discussion group for Google App Engine. For Python-only dialog, see
the Python group, same goes for Java. Also see Downtime Notify for
maintenance info. API Gurus: experienced developers who watch this
group, answering questions & providing valuable feedback: Geoffrey
(Wooble) Spear & Robert Kluin
"""

And the purpose of this metrics was to measure level of engagement and
reactivity of the community as a whole (not only Googler) in the
different threads.

> 3. I'm skeptical about your measurement technique. "Answered" doesn't mean
> answered unless the problem is actually resolved. The pattern I usually see
> is:
> - I post a question
> - You ask for some more information
> - I provide that information
> - Crickets.
> My bet is that you are counting that as "answered" since you responded to
> the initial question.  But it ain't answered in the stack overflow sense of
> the word. And that sense is all that matters.

I'd love to track the actual resolution of questions but we miss
metadata to check if a question has been answered.

Maybe we (as the community) can agree on some convention were we use
nickname++ people as a signal of the question of the current thread
being answered, or we (community) can decide to shift those question
to Stack Overflow and keep the group for more casual discussion.

I'd love to hear what others think about that.

> Let's hope that when you come out of preview and start charging us all that
> money, you step it up a bit on the support side. I know that customer
> support has about negative priority at google, so I recognize that it will
> be a challenge.

If you take a look a the new pricing model we announced:
http://www.google.com/enterprise/cloud/appengine/pricing.html

You will notice that we mention SLA and Operational support for Paid
and Premium app, which is a strong indicator that we are serious about
this.
-- 
Johan Euphrosine (proppy)
Developer Programs Engineer
Google Developer Relations

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Re: [google-appengine] App Engine Weekly Community Update #1

2011-07-22 Thread Joshua Smith

> 61% of posts answered within 2 days

1. I am glad that you are tracking this.

2. That's NOT a good percentage. Since this is your main support channel, this 
should be 99.995% in 1 day. I'm not kidding. If you want to be in the software 
business, walk the walk.

3. I'm skeptical about your measurement technique. "Answered" doesn't mean 
answered unless the problem is actually resolved. The pattern I usually see is:

- I post a question
- You ask for some more information
- I provide that information
- Crickets.

My bet is that you are counting that as "answered" since you responded to the 
initial question.  But it ain't answered in the stack overflow sense of the 
word. And that sense is all that matters.

Let's hope that when you come out of preview and start charging us all that 
money, you step it up a bit on the support side. I know that customer support 
has about negative priority at google, so I recognize that it will be a 
challenge.

-Joshua

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