Re: [google-appengine] No Google, It's Not Us, It's You!

[Steve Sherrie]

That's funny, cause Google just upped the free instance hours to 28 from 
24, so you'd be about the same, without any optimizations.


Steve

On 11-09-09 04:18 PM, Steve wrote:
Your new pricing scheme blows no matter how reasonable you try to make 
it sound.





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Re: [google-appengine] No Google, It's Not Us, It's You!

[Steve]

Yeah, great.  So when my app farts and uses 3 minutes of CPU time I can look 
forward to just barely blowing past the free quote by a half hour.  Yay...

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Re: [google-appengine] No Google, It's Not Us, It's You!

[Steve Sherrie]

No offense (some offense), but it sounds like your application is wildly 
inefficient. You should crowd source a solution by offering up your code 
for review/improvement.


Steve Sherrie


On 11-09-09 05:11 PM, Steve wrote:
Yeah, great.  So when my app farts and uses 3 minutes of CPU time I 
can look forward to just barely blowing past the free quote by a half 
hour.  Yay...


Original Steve

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Re: [google-appengine] No Google, It's Not Us, It's You!

[Steve]

That's probably the exact opposite of the problem.  The problem is that I 
spent tremendous effort optimizing the application based on the previous 
guidelines and best practices.  That's why it's only consuming 3 minutes of 
CPU time.

Oh, and none taken, even if a little implied.  ;)

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Re: [google-appengine] No Google, It's Not Us, It's You!

[Francois Masurel]

"Google just upped the free instance hours to 28 from 24"

Pretty interesting...  Where have you read this ?

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Re: [google-appengine] No Google, It's Not Us, It's You!

[Barry Hunter]

http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Francois Masurel  wrote:
> "Google just upped the free instance hours to 28 from 24"
> Pretty interesting...  Where have you read this ?
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Re: [google-appengine] No Google, It's Not Us, It's You!

[Steve Sherrie]

But in all seriousness, you're saying it would be a gargantuan feat to 
improve those figures? 

To get such a extreme difference (3min cpu => 28+ frontend instance hours) 
you're probably heavily relying on synchronous RPCs in some way, and that's 
exactly the kind of thing that can be made substantially more cost-efficient 
under the new billing with relatively little effort. Is this the case?

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Re: [google-appengine] No Google, It's Not Us, It's You!

[Francois MASUREL]

Thanx.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 23:31, Barry Hunter  wrote:

> http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/
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> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Francois Masurel 
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Re: [google-appengine] No Google, It's Not Us, It's You!

[Jon McAlister]

The app is relatively quick. The cause of the instance hours is that
the app has a cron job which runs once every two minutes. It returns
quickly, but it keeps the instance pegged all day long. So, low-cpu
but high instance-usage.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Steve Sherrie  wrote:
> But in all seriousness, you're saying it would be a gargantuan feat to
> improve those figures?
> To get such a extreme difference (3min cpu => 28+ frontend instance hours)
> you're probably heavily relying on synchronous RPCs in some way, and that's
> exactly the kind of thing that can be made substantially more cost-efficient
> under the new billing with relatively little effort. Is this the case?
>
> Stove (I saw bridesmaids yesterday)
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Re: [google-appengine] No Google, It's Not Us, It's You!

[Rishi Arora]

If that's the case, you can split the load between a front-end and a backend
instance and still stay within the free quota limits.  Run the cron job on a
backend for 9 free hours, and on the front-end for 15 hours.  And just
because your're using 24 total instance hours doesn't mean the app is not
scaleable.  If the cron job currently takes 1 second to do its work every
two minutes, but later that expands 30x to 30 seconds, you're still within
the free quota limit.  Or if you want to make it twice is frequent, you're
still within the free quota.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Jon McAlister  wrote:

> The app is relatively quick. The cause of the instance hours is that
> the app has a cron job which runs once every two minutes. It returns
> quickly, but it keeps the instance pegged all day long. So, low-cpu
> but high instance-usage.
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Steve Sherrie 
> wrote:
> > But in all seriousness, you're saying it would be a gargantuan feat to
> > improve those figures?
> > To get such a extreme difference (3min cpu => 28+ frontend instance
> hours)
> > you're probably heavily relying on synchronous RPCs in some way, and
> that's
> > exactly the kind of thing that can be made substantially more
> cost-efficient
> > under the new billing with relatively little effort. Is this the case?
> >
> > Stove (I saw bridesmaids yesterday)
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Re: [google-appengine] No Google, It's Not Us, It's You!

[Steve]

Yeah, the question (in my mind) is with the sliders set to maximum latency 
and minimum instances why does the scheduler spin up an extra instance when 
the single instance could do fine on its own?  And was the 
Max-Idle-Instances=0 bug marked WONTFIX?  Just kidding, I already know that 
answer; I just think it's kinda crappy.

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Re: [google-appengine] No Google, It's Not Us, It's You!

[Steve]

That is a good idea, thank you.

It's still irritating that after many app refactorings and entity migrations 
to optimize to the previous GAE flaming hoops and best practices now again I 
need to convolute the program with more contortions.  At one time I thought 
one of GAE's best features was its straight-forward APIs and programming 
style.  It's as if the Python runtime didn't have enough bondage and 
discipline so Google had to add it back in somehow.

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Re: [google-appengine] No Google, It's Not Us, It's You!

[Rishi Arora]

And I now fear that if pricing changes again in a different direction in the
future, the optimization we're doing now will also become useless.  In
effect, I'm trying to "game the system" - doing whatever I can to meet the
free quota, until my app starts generating some revenue.  And I suppose
doing things like that does sometime bite in the future.  In your case, your
past effort may seem to have gone waste, given new pricing schemes, but it
probably still goes a long way for future scalability.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Steve  wrote:

> That is a good idea, thank you.
>
> It's still irritating that after many app refactorings and entity
> migrations to optimize to the previous GAE flaming hoops and best practices
> now again I need to convolute the program with more contortions.  At one
> time I thought one of GAE's best features was its straight-forward APIs and
> programming style.  It's as if the Python runtime didn't have enough bondage
> and discipline so Google had to add it back in somehow.
>
> --Steve
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