Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing
I would also love to know this too, I have been holding back on some development features because of the channel pricing. But if its only quota driven now, than that changes a lot for me. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:07:34 AM UTC-4, Alexis wrote: What about Channel API? It used to be priced $0.01 / channel opened, but I no longer see it mentioned in the pricing page (neither as bundled or paid service): https://cloud.google.com/products/app-engine/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing
What about Channel API? It used to be priced $0.01 / channel opened, but I no longer see it mentioned in the pricing page (neither as bundled or paid service): https://cloud.google.com/products/app-engine/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing
That's not the case. I have an app that is regularly sending to 100 recipients/day. I had never requested that any cap be lifted. That's because old apps are/were not affected. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing
Even BigQuery is cheaper for storage than Datastore now. Totally helps us, since BQ is a better solution for one of our data entities anyway, and the rest should fit in the 1GB free for the foreseeable future. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:24:10 PM UTC-5, Marcel Manz wrote: Great to see the reduced pricing and that key-only queries become free of charge. Would have liked to see a decrease on datastore storage pricing too, especially as Google reduced pricing on all other storage services like blob, GCS, Drive etc. Marcel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing
Same here, old app :-) A large e-mail volume is absolutely essential for our app, that's how Iridium works On Thursday, 27 March 2014 05:03:35 UTC+13, pdknsk wrote: That's not the case. I have an app that is regularly sending to 100 recipients/day. I had never requested that any cap be lifted. That's because old apps are/were not affected. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing
Same observation looking at my main app on small datastore operations: $0 Since I was preallocating discounted hours I was paying $.05 anyways. Are discounted hours going away? I do not see a mention in the new price list effective Apr. 1st PK http://www.gae123.com On March 25, 2014 at 11:53:16 AM, Kaan Soral (kaanso...@gmail.com) wrote: I was thinking of starting a thread about this too, thanks for the information :) Funnily both of my main apps have 0 small datastore operations, interesting :) Anyway, great news -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing
I also see in the new Pricing list “E-mail API: Fee: 100 recipients More: Contact Sales”, anybody has some insight on this? PK http://www.gae123.com On March 25, 2014 at 12:00:17 PM, PK (p...@gae123.com) wrote: Same observation looking at my main app on small datastore operations: $0 Since I was preallocating discounted hours I was paying $.05 anyways. Are discounted hours going away? I do not see a mention in the new price list effective Apr. 1st PK http://www.gae123.com On March 25, 2014 at 11:53:16 AM, Kaan Soral (kaanso...@gmail.com) wrote: I was thinking of starting a thread about this too, thanks for the information :) Funnily both of my main apps have 0 small datastore operations, interesting :) Anyway, great news -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing
That's how it's always been... 100 recipient cap until you request a higher cap to discourage spammers from using AppEngine as a distribution platform. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:02:14 PM UTC-5, PK wrote: I also see in the new Pricing list “E-mail API: Fee: 100 recipients More: Contact Sales”, anybody has some insight on this? PK http://www.gae123.com On March 25, 2014 at 12:00:17 PM, PK (p...@gae123.com javascript:) wrote: Same observation looking at my main app on small datastore operations: $0 Since I was preallocating discounted hours I was paying $.05 anyways. Are discounted hours going away? I do not see a mention in the new price list effective Apr. 1st PK http://www.gae123.com On March 25, 2014 at 11:53:16 AM, Kaan Soral (kaan...@gmail.comjavascript:) wrote: I was thinking of starting a thread about this too, thanks for the information :) Funnily both of my main apps have 0 small datastore operations, interesting :) Anyway, great news -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengi...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing
Any kind of price decreasing on AppEngine is great news for everyone in this community. Hopefully the new price will reflect in our bill at the end of the month. I was thinking discounted instance hours was 0.04 for people using the support packages. Was I wrong and it is 0.05 instead? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:59 AM, PK p...@gae123.com wrote: Same observation looking at my main app on small datastore operations: $0 Since I was preallocating discounted hours I was paying $.05 anyways. Are discounted hours going away? I do not see a mention in the new price list effective Apr. 1st PK http://www.gae123.com On March 25, 2014 at 11:53:16 AM, Kaan Soral (kaanso...@gmail.com) wrote: I was thinking of starting a thread about this too, thanks for the information :) Funnily both of my main apps have 0 small datastore operations, interesting :) Anyway, great news -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing
Great to see the reduced pricing and that key-only queries become free of charge. Would have liked to see a decrease on datastore storage pricing too, especially as Google reduced pricing on all other storage services like blob, GCS, Drive etc. Marcel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing
That's not the case. I have an app that is regularly sending to 100 recipients/day. I had never requested that any cap be lifted. Even in the dashboard of any paid app you can see that there currently isn't a cap in the Recipients Emailed column. ($0.01/ 100 Recipients) On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:24:39 AM UTC+11, Chad Vincent wrote: That's how it's always been... 100 recipient cap until you request a higher cap to discourage spammers from using AppEngine as a distribution platform. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:02:14 PM UTC-5, PK wrote: I also see in the new Pricing list “E-mail API: Fee: 100 recipients More: Contact Sales”, anybody has some insight on this? PK http://www.gae123.com On March 25, 2014 at 12:00:17 PM, PK (p...@gae123.com) wrote: Same observation looking at my main app on small datastore operations: $0 Since I was preallocating discounted hours I was paying $.05 anyways. Are discounted hours going away? I do not see a mention in the new price list effective Apr. 1st PK http://www.gae123.com On March 25, 2014 at 11:53:16 AM, Kaan Soral (kaan...@gmail.com) wrote: I was thinking of starting a thread about this too, thanks for the information :) Funnily both of my main apps have 0 small datastore operations, interesting :) Anyway, great news -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengi...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-a...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New pricing structure infinity increase
Hi Kate, check out the article that we wrote about optimizing your app to minimize costs: http://code.google.com/appengine/articles/managing-resources.html Without looking at your app its hard to know what the right settings should be although you are only charged for the number of idle instances up to the max you set as you Max Idle Instances. Max Idle Instances also controls how quickly the scheduler tears instances down for you though, so it you set it to 1, it means that the scheduler will aggressively take down any additional instances which could impact your performance. Greg On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Kate mss.ka...@gmail.com wrote: I AM getting charged for instances! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/2ZHYpc8KRU8J. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing is now in place!
This should help , if possible it would be great On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Vivek Puri v...@vivekpuri.com wrote: Can we please get the old estimated bills back in the Billing history. I wanted to compute the total hours my app consumed for the past few weeks but the history has suddenly vanished. Please help! On Nov 7, 4:26 am, Gregory D'alesandre gr...@google.com wrote: Hello All, Today is Nov 7th and App Engine is out of Preview and the new pricing is now active! After the changeover we have yet to see any issues except that, for paid apps, we're still updating datastore quotas, so your datastore usage might not be included in your dashboard estimate, your bill will be accurate though. If you are running into any unexpected issues due to this change and would like to get a direct response from the App Engine team feel free to email us at appengine_updated_pric...@google.com. Of course we'll be monitoring this list and stackoverflow as well. Thank you! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- Regards Sandeep Koduri Phone: +91- 99 666 02 456 Gtalk: sandeep.koduri | Skype: sandeep.koduri P Please consider the environment before printing this email -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing is now in place!
Thanks for the feedback, we are looking into the possibility of adding this information back. Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Sandeep Koduri sandeep.kod...@gmail.comwrote: This should help , if possible it would be great On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Vivek Puri v...@vivekpuri.com wrote: Can we please get the old estimated bills back in the Billing history. I wanted to compute the total hours my app consumed for the past few weeks but the history has suddenly vanished. Please help! On Nov 7, 4:26 am, Gregory D'alesandre gr...@google.com wrote: Hello All, Today is Nov 7th and App Engine is out of Preview and the new pricing is now active! After the changeover we have yet to see any issues except that, for paid apps, we're still updating datastore quotas, so your datastore usage might not be included in your dashboard estimate, your bill will be accurate though. If you are running into any unexpected issues due to this change and would like to get a direct response from the App Engine team feel free to email us at appengine_updated_pric...@google.com. Of course we'll be monitoring this list and stackoverflow as well. Thank you! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- Regards Sandeep Koduri Phone: +91- 99 666 02 456 Gtalk: sandeep.koduri | Skype: sandeep.koduri P Please consider the environment before printing this email -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing is now in place!
Thanks, that'd be great. Just updated my billing settings but felt like i was flying blind ;). -- Adrian Scott, Ph.D. CEO, Founder CoderBuddy http://www.coderbuddy.com/ -- Create a Google App Engine app in a minute without installing anything On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Gregory D'alesandre gr...@google.comwrote: Thanks for the feedback, we are looking into the possibility of adding this information back. Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Sandeep Koduri sandeep.kod...@gmail.comwrote: This should help , if possible it would be great On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Vivek Puri v...@vivekpuri.com wrote: Can we please get the old estimated bills back in the Billing history. I wanted to compute the total hours my app consumed for the past few weeks but the history has suddenly vanished. Please help! On Nov 7, 4:26 am, Gregory D'alesandre gr...@google.com wrote: Hello All, Today is Nov 7th and App Engine is out of Preview and the new pricing is now active! After the changeover we have yet to see any issues except that, for paid apps, we're still updating datastore quotas, so your datastore usage might not be included in your dashboard estimate, your bill will be accurate though. If you are running into any unexpected issues due to this change and would like to get a direct response from the App Engine team feel free to email us at appengine_updated_pric...@google.com. Of course we'll be monitoring this list and stackoverflow as well. Thank you! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- Regards Sandeep Koduri Phone: +91- 99 666 02 456 Gtalk: sandeep.koduri | Skype: sandeep.koduri P Please consider the environment before printing this email -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing is now in place!
on page http://code.google.com/intl/en/appengine/docs/billing.html I don't see different pricing for datastore and blobstore. Is it same now? 2011/11/7 Adrian Scott adr...@coderbuddy.com Thanks, that'd be great. Just updated my billing settings but felt like i was flying blind ;). -- Adrian Scott, Ph.D. CEO, Founder CoderBuddy http://www.coderbuddy.com/ -- Create a Google App Engine app in a minute without installing anything On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Gregory D'alesandre gr...@google.comwrote: Thanks for the feedback, we are looking into the possibility of adding this information back. Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Sandeep Koduri sandeep.kod...@gmail.com wrote: This should help , if possible it would be great On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Vivek Puri v...@vivekpuri.com wrote: Can we please get the old estimated bills back in the Billing history. I wanted to compute the total hours my app consumed for the past few weeks but the history has suddenly vanished. Please help! On Nov 7, 4:26 am, Gregory D'alesandre gr...@google.com wrote: Hello All, Today is Nov 7th and App Engine is out of Preview and the new pricing is now active! After the changeover we have yet to see any issues except that, for paid apps, we're still updating datastore quotas, so your datastore usage might not be included in your dashboard estimate, your bill will be accurate though. If you are running into any unexpected issues due to this change and would like to get a direct response from the App Engine team feel free to email us at appengine_updated_pric...@google.com. Of course we'll be monitoring this list and stackoverflow as well. Thank you! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- Regards Sandeep Koduri Phone: +91- 99 666 02 456 Gtalk: sandeep.koduri | Skype: sandeep.koduri P Please consider the environment before printing this email -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- С уважением, Кулин Тимофей. Телефон: +7 (4852) 974793 ICQ: 114902104 email: timo...@koolin.ru Blog: http://timofey.koolin.ru -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing is now in place!
Hi Tim, Thanks for the heads up, this seems like an omission which we are correcting now. Blobstore storage is $0.13/G/month. Greg On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Timofey Koolin timofey.koo...@gmail.comwrote: on page http://code.google.com/intl/en/appengine/docs/billing.html I don't see different pricing for datastore and blobstore. Is it same now? 2011/11/7 Adrian Scott adr...@coderbuddy.com Thanks, that'd be great. Just updated my billing settings but felt like i was flying blind ;). -- Adrian Scott, Ph.D. CEO, Founder CoderBuddy http://www.coderbuddy.com/ -- Create a Google App Engine app in a minute without installing anything On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Gregory D'alesandre gr...@google.comwrote: Thanks for the feedback, we are looking into the possibility of adding this information back. Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Sandeep Koduri sandeep.kod...@gmail.com wrote: This should help , if possible it would be great On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Vivek Puri v...@vivekpuri.com wrote: Can we please get the old estimated bills back in the Billing history. I wanted to compute the total hours my app consumed for the past few weeks but the history has suddenly vanished. Please help! On Nov 7, 4:26 am, Gregory D'alesandre gr...@google.com wrote: Hello All, Today is Nov 7th and App Engine is out of Preview and the new pricing is now active! After the changeover we have yet to see any issues except that, for paid apps, we're still updating datastore quotas, so your datastore usage might not be included in your dashboard estimate, your bill will be accurate though. If you are running into any unexpected issues due to this change and would like to get a direct response from the App Engine team feel free to email us at appengine_updated_pric...@google.com. Of course we'll be monitoring this list and stackoverflow as well. Thank you! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- Regards Sandeep Koduri Phone: +91- 99 666 02 456 Gtalk: sandeep.koduri | Skype: sandeep.koduri P Please consider the environment before printing this email -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- С уважением, Кулин Тимофей. Телефон: +7 (4852) 974793 ICQ: 114902104 email: timo...@koolin.ru Blog: http://timofey.koolin.ru -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing is now in place!
Hey All, the side by side bills are now showing up in your applications again in order to let you see historical numbers for your app. Thanks! Greg On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Gregory D'alesandre gr...@google.comwrote: Thanks for the feedback, we are looking into the possibility of adding this information back. Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Sandeep Koduri sandeep.kod...@gmail.comwrote: This should help , if possible it would be great On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Vivek Puri v...@vivekpuri.com wrote: Can we please get the old estimated bills back in the Billing history. I wanted to compute the total hours my app consumed for the past few weeks but the history has suddenly vanished. Please help! On Nov 7, 4:26 am, Gregory D'alesandre gr...@google.com wrote: Hello All, Today is Nov 7th and App Engine is out of Preview and the new pricing is now active! After the changeover we have yet to see any issues except that, for paid apps, we're still updating datastore quotas, so your datastore usage might not be included in your dashboard estimate, your bill will be accurate though. If you are running into any unexpected issues due to this change and would like to get a direct response from the App Engine team feel free to email us at appengine_updated_pric...@google.com. Of course we'll be monitoring this list and stackoverflow as well. Thank you! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- Regards Sandeep Koduri Phone: +91- 99 666 02 456 Gtalk: sandeep.koduri | Skype: sandeep.koduri P Please consider the environment before printing this email -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing ROCKS! for Small apps
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mYRU7MvjRQI/TndWaN3NpHI/A9o/1c3ZDl91hkw/estimates.png Thanks for sharing the info about your apps. I think it could be better for apps that are medium-sized. If your app is commercial you can't expect to host it for free anyhow. And I agree that you shouldn't have to pay for tests or something that is nothing but development and research. Attached is my latest pricing - it's still not much to talk about and effects may have come from running mapreduce since I'm migrating to HRD. Regards, Niklas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/SZZq9_Ukc80J. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing ROCKS! for Small apps
That's an interesting point. If you could optimize your resource usage to $2.10, that would be the cheapskate sweet spot :) On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Gopal Patel patelgo...@gmail.com wrote: I think $2.10 also count towards resource usage if I am not mistaken. so gae is cheapest for app that is costing $2.10 to run. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
RE: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing ROCKS! for Small apps
Can't make anyone happy. I find one app that says it will be cheaper after the new pricing and you still poo-poo it. I see how it is. :-) From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Tan Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 10:14 PM To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com Subject: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing ROCKS! for Small apps You're forgetting the $2.10 per week (~$9/month) minimum charge, which is actually annoying for small apps that only bill for a fraction of that, like mine where I am projecting spending about $0.80 per week but will be billed for $2.10 per week because of the minimum charge. I understand that Google is doing this because it gets expensive incurring credit card charges per transaction for very small transactions. Which is why I'm suggesting that small apps should be able to pre-pay for credits (e.g. $5) in lieu of the minimum charge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/Fcga231HuP8J. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
RE: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing ROCKS! for Small apps
I don't know why the count is 3, but my understanding is that 1 will get you two on python because they are half sized instances. I only have 1 always on set in the app. From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bay Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:21 AM To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com Subject: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing ROCKS! for Small apps lets also keep in mind that your app will be slower and have more latency than before. You had enabled 3 instances always on. If you aim for that under the new pricing regime you will pay a lot more than .09/day... You might not be comparing apples and oranges. But you are comparing one apple with three apples - and pretending it is the same amount of apples. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/fgnBQoETYP0J. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing ROCKS! for Small apps
I had significant pricing changes on my apps. I have 3 apps appid1 ~1500 rec/sec dropped from ~$170 to ~$75 (per day) appid2 ~150 rec/sec dropped from ~$11 to $7 (per day) appid3 ~4 rec/sec increases from $0 to ~$0.13 (per day) All data store reads operation are made using key_names. I use global variables in conjuction with memcache, and all data store writes are made using tasks. Still, I don't use datastore so much. I know that, for my tiny appid3 the price will increase. But in my case it will compensate by the price drop for the other 2 appids. On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Bay troels...@gmail.com wrote: lets also keep in mind that your app will be slower and have more latency than before. You had enabled 3 instances always on. If you aim for that under the new pricing regime you will pay a lot more than .09/day... You might not be comparing apples and oranges. But you are comparing one apple with three apples - and pretending it is the same amount of apples. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/fgnBQoETYP0J. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing ROCKS! for Small apps
Yeah I've got a bunch of apps I use for stuff like testing, or verifying things before posting responses on the groups, etc..., that I need to evaluate now. Several have tiny little charges showing up some days which will translate to $9/month. Kind of a bummer. On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 11:44, JH ja...@mhztech.com wrote: .37/day = $11.1/month .9/day = $9/month/minimum so not a huge savings... I posted earlier that I agree the new pricing is not so bad... small hobby apps however do take a hit with $9/minimum... it's feasible with 1 or 2 apps but if you have 5 or 10 project apps the minimums can add up. On Sep 18, 8:01 am, JH ja...@mhztech.com wrote: Or they could bill you once you reach a certain amount like $20. Just as ad words doesn't pay until you are owed $100 On Sep 18, 12:13 am, Gerald Tan woefulwab...@gmail.com wrote: You're forgetting the $2.10 per week (~$9/month) minimum charge, which is actually annoying for small apps that only bill for a fraction of that, like mine where I am projecting spending about $0.80 per week but will be billed for $2.10 per week because of the minimum charge. I understand that Google is doing this because it gets expensive incurring credit card charges per transaction for very small transactions. Which is why I'm suggesting that small apps should be able to pre-pay for credits (e.g. $5) in lieu of the minimum charge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing ROCKS! for Small apps
I think $2.10 also count towards resource usage if I am not mistaken. so gae is cheapest for app that is costing $2.10 to run. On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Gerald Tan woefulwab...@gmail.com wrote: You're forgetting the $2.10 per week (~$9/month) minimum charge, which is actually annoying for small apps that only bill for a fraction of that, like mine where I am projecting spending about $0.80 per week but will be billed for $2.10 per week because of the minimum charge. I understand that Google is doing this because it gets expensive incurring credit card charges per transaction for very small transactions. Which is why I'm suggesting that small apps should be able to pre-pay for credits (e.g. $5) in lieu of the minimum charge. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/Fcga231HuP8J. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: new pricing actually not so bad...
It is simple and very cheap platform for starup. When project will grow - it can be optimised or migrate - GAE have very simple API and it can emulate very simple on VDS, amazon or shared hosting. 2011/9/16 Strom xxst...@gmail.com I agree with pretty much everything you said. On Sep 15, 11:53 pm, JH ja...@mhztech.com wrote: When first seeing the new pricing I was very upset. From watching this group I wasn't the only one. However, at the risk of angering some I'd like to report my findings. When first seeing the new pricing my first idea was to change providers. Not only to save some money, but also in fear of the fact that GAE may very well be over in 3 years with so many others leaving due to the new pricing. So my first stop was AWS. With so much buzz surrounding aws plus so many companies using it they must be a great product. However you have to be careful to look under the covers. GAE is a PaaS. That's why I love GAE. Everything is taken care of for you. However some of the tasks are not that hard so for now we won't factor that into the price. AWS has micro instances available for a pretty cheap price. But, that's not all you need. You need a datastore. So you either run it on your micro instance, using a good chunk of resources or you pay for RDS/SimpleDB. So if we choose simpleDB (GAE made everyone fall in love with NoSQL) you now have 2 products to pay for. What about memcache? Well AWS just introduced Elasticache. Another bill, and not a cheap one I might add. What about map reduce? That will be an additional fee. And I'm not going to get into scaling as I really don't personally need it. But for a fee AWS has elastic load balancers... So let's stick with PaaS. Heroku sounds good. They are suppose to be getting python soon! 1 web dyno + 1 worker dyno + 20 gig of shared database storage = $50/month. Wowsers! What about cron? That will be $3/month. Memcache can run $20-$3500 / month! These guys charge you for everything! So many of these things are included with GAE. What about dotcloud? Well their first paid tier starts at $99/month. So I'm not out to anger the community. I realize everyone's app is different and some people's bills have gone up 100x, etc. I just wanted to point out that finding a better deal may not be so easy. I really hope that people stay on GAE as I hope it can continue to run for many more years. Oh yeah, not to mention what a cool platform this is to develop on. Task queues, cron, deployments, memcache, logging (I forgot to mention that Heroku charges for logging). And it's all managed for you. No need to wake up at 2am because your server is down. Or your mysql table is corrupt... I'm just saying. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- С уважением, Кулин Тимофей. Телефон: +7 (4852) 974793 ICQ: 114902104 email: timo...@koolin.ru Blog: http://timofey.koolin.ru -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing + Long running requests optimization
+1 to this. There's currently a limit of 10 async requests pending at once, but the worst case will still be the latency of two calls. Jeff On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:09 PM, JH ja...@mhztech.com wrote: sounds like you could use async urlfetch instead of 20 separate tasks? On Sep 13, 6:43 pm, ESPR!T w...@espr.it wrote: Hello guys, I would like to get an advice how to deal with long running request when the new pricing will apply. My app is searching for the cheapest book prices on the internet. So when user searches for the book and the price is not in database, I have to check 20+ sellers for the current price (some of those have API and sometime I get the info from their web by parsing the page). I have to display these prices instantly to user - basically I would like to get to 10 seconds at max). I am using tasks so when user displays a page, I create a task for each supplier and update the page trhough ajax while user is waiting for results. On the old pricing scheme I haven't had a reason for any optimization as these request are low CPU intensive, they just take 1-10 seconds to finish depending on speed of supplier source data. App engine just started multiple instances when needed and I've never get over 1 hour of CPU in a day. But now when they switch to instance time my prognozed payments went up from $0 to $2+ per day (just for a instance time + plus another fees for database writes/reads). I've put the max idle instance to 1 and raised the latency to max which got me back 15 hours of instance time (so I would pay 0-5 cents per day just for DB operations now). Then I've implemented memcache + I am going to play with cach headers for generated pages. The main issue for me is now that my one instance is not able to handle 20+ task requests + users browsing so its slow and it eventually still starts new instance on peaks (but I was expecting this). So my idea is to have one fron instance for all user related stuff and process tasks instantly by other instance. On the app engine I could use backends but I am not really keen to pay almost $2 per day for running a minimal backend for this type of tasks. So I am deciding to 'outsource' the task processing to some external service which is more userfriendly for low CPU/long latency requests. AFAIK there is an Amazon with the AWS Elastic Beans (http:// aws.amazon.com/elasticbeanstalk/) and the Heroku (which is capable to run java now) - I also still have an option to put my little worker app to some very cheap VPS or my own machine. So basically my GAE instance will queue up all taks and send them to my external workers which then will call my app back with an HTTP post with results. Do you think this is a good approach for my task or can you see some issues in it? Or maybe you have some other ideas for other providers compatible with java environment? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing + Long running requests optimization
My app is nearly identical to yours - several concurrent URL fetches are performed to gather content. And when users access my site, that content is nicely formatted for them for display. My solution - part of if has already been suggested by Jeff - use async URL fetch. Spinning an instance for 5 to 10 seconds waiting for your supplier's website to return book pricing data is a waste of resources. So, whenever you need to do a URL fetch, consider deferring it by queueing it up in a pull queue. Then once you have enough deferred (10 is a good number), then call URL fetch simultaneously for all the 10 requests. Another optimization is to use by the 9 free hours of backend time. I agree you can't have the backend running all the time. So, wake up the backend by a cron job that runs once every hour. This will incur a minimum cost of 15 minutes per hour = 6 instance hours - which is under the free quota. Each time your backend wakes up, it looks up all the URL fetch requests deferred in the last hour, and processes them. My app does exactly this, and it takes me about 45 seconds to fetch and process all data for ~300 URL fetches every hour. If you are attempting to stay within the free quota, absolutely use the backend hours in any way you can. it'll be a pity to not use those free 9 instance hours. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Tim Hoffman zutes...@gmail.com wrote: Hi You could submit the request via ajax back to your appengine app and it can then do an async requuest on all the urls, . In your case you have some of the info already and have to fetch some of it. So it might be two ajax calls, one to get the list of books, the result is book prices for stuff you know, plus an indicator of the books that a further request will be required, your front end can then display the details you have, submit another ajax request to appengine to fetch results for the books you currently have no info on. Which can then async urlfetch the rest of the details. This way user gets some info straight away and you get to keep you requests to a minimum and fill in the results later. Just a thought ;-) T -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/3dA05F9-QDsJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing + Long running requests optimization
Just out of curiosity - do book prices really change more than once every hour? Surely, you could have some kind of a hybrid approach where you pre-fetch the prices of 5-10% of the most common books, so you don't have to fetch them when a user wants to see the prices. This will alleviate some of the front-end instance time by offloading it to the backend that runs every hour. Also, perhaps not all suppliers change their prices every hour - maybe only some fraction of them do. So, run the backend only once a day for slow changing prices, and once an hour for faster moving prices, and for the 0.001% of the books that need more dynamic pricing, run a cron job every 2 minutes on a front-end, assuming it will get done in just a handful of seconds, so that the front-end can process user-facing requests at the same time. I apologize if I don't fully understand your problem set, but I'm trying to throw out as many ideas as possible. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:40 PM, ESPR!T w...@espr.it wrote: With the backends I can't display data to use when he ask for them - he can't wait next hour for getting the prices of books as he wants them now. So I need to run the backend all the item and process price requests as soon as possible (and as there is 5+ million books I can't do a pre-fetch of some books on backend and then shut it down). I will try to implement that async url fetch for batch of requests, that can by actually fast - just some suppliers are really slow and some of them fast so maybe I could also do two queues (one for slow response and one for fast) so the user get info from fast responsive suppliers quickly and doesnt need to wait) - the only issue is that technically I should process the pull queue from backend so that means I would need it to run all the time ;/ (I really need to display the prices as soon as possible and can't wait with processing). I will try to lower the latency so GAE can spin up more instance and will see how it affect the instance time. Thank you guys! On Sep 14, 1:57 pm, Rishi Arora rishi.ar...@ship-rack.com wrote: My app is nearly identical to yours - several concurrent URL fetches are performed to gather content. And when users access my site, that content is nicely formatted for them for display. My solution - part of if has already been suggested by Jeff - use async URL fetch. Spinning an instance for 5 to 10 seconds waiting for your supplier's website to return book pricing data is a waste of resources. So, whenever you need to do a URL fetch, consider deferring it by queueing it up in a pull queue. Then once you have enough deferred (10 is a good number), then call URL fetch simultaneously for all the 10 requests. Another optimization is to use by the 9 free hours of backend time. I agree you can't have the backend running all the time. So, wake up the backend by a cron job that runs once every hour. This will incur a minimum cost of 15 minutes per hour = 6 instance hours - which is under the free quota. Each time your backend wakes up, it looks up all the URL fetch requests deferred in the last hour, and processes them. My app does exactly this, and it takes me about 45 seconds to fetch and process all data for ~300 URL fetches every hour. If you are attempting to stay within the free quota, absolutely use the backend hours in any way you can. it'll be a pity to not use those free 9 instance hours. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Tim Hoffman zutes...@gmail.com wrote: Hi You could submit the request via ajax back to your appengine app and it can then do an async requuest on all the urls, . In your case you have some of the info already and have to fetch some of it. So it might be two ajax calls, one to get the list of books, the result is book prices for stuff you know, plus an indicator of the books that a further request will be required, your front end can then display the details you have, submit another ajax request to appengine to fetch results for the books you currently have no info on. Which can then async urlfetch the rest of the details. This way user gets some info straight away and you get to keep you requests to a minimum and fill in the results later. Just a thought ;-) T -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/3dA05F9-QDsJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing for high traffic apps - in our case 2x == ~$20'000 per month
That wont help in our case. As I tried to explain before, we need 200 instances if we serve 240 qps at 800 ms. (240qps * 0.8s = ~200 instances). 75% of the time they are idle, waiting for rpc responses (mostly datastore) in order to handle the current response. So they need to be running and can't be shut down. At least that's our understanding. Or am I wrong? -Andrin On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Philip philip.mates...@driggle.com wrote: Hi Andrin, have you tried the Max Idle Instances knob? If you set it to 1 for example you will only be billed for the instances that are used + 1 idle instance. On Sep 5, 10:11 am, Andrin von Rechenberg andri...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there We are running a Python GAE service called MiuMeet. The current cost is about $296 per day. In November it will be $600 per day. Most of our cost comes from the Frontend Instance hours. We apparently need 4677h per day, thats roughly 200 instances. We peak at around 240 qps. The average latency is 800ms / request. 240 * 0.8 = 192. So it seems 200 instances is exactly what we need at peak. However our instances are only 25% active, see here:http://bit.ly/pXZH4t We need someone to talk to about the new pricing model and what can be done. Idle instances will cost us an extra $10k per month. We can't afford that. The biggest problem we see is that it seems that AppEngine instances are idle often by design: The datastore is slow you have to wait and idle around, that's a fact for us. We would be really grateful for any advice. -Andrin, Founder of MiuMeet PS: Here is our billing comparison Resource Used Free Billable Charge *CPU Time:* $0.10/CPU hour 2,797.15 6.50 2,790.65 $279.07 *Bandwidth Out:* $0.12/GByte 109.32 1.00 108.32 $13.00 *Bandwidth In:* $0.10/GByte 30.55 1.00 29.55 $2.96 *Stored Data:* $0.005/GByte-day 101.13 1.00 100.13 $0.51 *Recipients Emailed:* $0.10/1000 Emails 0.00 2.00 0.00 $0.00 *High Replication Storage:* $0.008/GByte-day 109.92 0.50 109.42 $0.88 *Backend Usage:* Prices http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html#Billable_Quota_Uni... $0.00 $0.72 $0.00 $0.00 *Always On:* $0.30/Day No - - $0.00 *Total:* $296.42 Estimated Charges Under New Pricing The charges below are estimates of what you would be paying once App Engine's new pricing modelhttp://www.google.com/enterprise/cloud/appengine/pricing.html goes live. The amounts shown below are for your information only, they are not being charged and therefore do not affect your balance. If you would like to optmize your application to reduce your costs in the future, make sure to read our Optimization Article http://code.google.com/appengine/articles/managing-resources.html. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please contact us at: appengine_updated_pric...@google.com. Frontend Instance Hour costs reflect a 50% price reduction active until November 20th, 2011. Resource Used Free Billable Charge *Frontend Instance Hours:* $0.04/Hour 4,677.04 24.00 4,653.04 $186.13 *Backend Instance Hours:* $0.08/Hour 0.00 9.00 0.00 $0.00 *Datastore Storage:* $0.008/GByte-day 109.92 1.00 108.92 $0.88 *Blobstore Storage:* $0.0057/GByte-day 101.13 5.00 96.13 $0.55 *Datastore Writes:* $1.00/Million Ops 55.69 0.05 55.64 $55.64 *Datastore Reads:* $0.70/Million Ops 87.12 0.05 87.07 $60.95 *Small Datastore Operations:* $0.10/Million Ops 192.77 0.05 192.72 $19.28 *Bandwidth In:* $0.10/GByte 30.55 1.00 29.55 $2.96 *Bandwidth Out:* $0.15/GByte 109.32 1.00 108.32 $16.25 *Emails:* $0.01/100 Messages 0.00 1.00 0.00 $0.00 *XMPP Stanzas:* $0.01/1000 Stanzas 0.00 1.00 0.00 $0.00 *Opened Channels:* $0.01/100 Opens 7,180.91 1.00 7,179.91 $71.80 *Total*:* (before clipping to daily budget) $414.44 * Note this total does not take into account the minimum per-application charge in the new pricing modelhttp://www.google.com/enterprise/appengine/appengine_pricing.html . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing for high traffic apps - in our case 2x == ~$20'000 per month
The graph of instances is very confusing to me as neither line seems to correspond to the number of instances running, or running with 0 qps, try playing with those instance knobs they can dramatically effect instance count, but for a high qps app like yours, I don't think you will see a dramatic change. Are you running python? it sounds like your will benefit heavily from Python 2.7 with concurrent request handling per instance. If your requests spend the majority of their time waiting, should be no problem to do 4 up, which could really drop your instance costs. I'd then try and tackle your datastore reads. While I have no idea about your app, it seems a bit odd to me that you have more reads that writes, in my app I have a 5:1 write to read ratio as I cache just about everything I write. If you aren't confident you will soon read what you write, cache on read every time. Memcache is fast and free, something to think about. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/ASjp-0R-u8wJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing for high traffic apps - in our case 2x == ~$20'000 per month
It looks like you're getting hammered in the database and channel area since your instance charges are actually less than your old cpu charges, although maybe that's due to channels. I don't know anything about channels myself, maybe there's an optimization there or with the datastore access? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/b4Yw8M0eU38J. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing for high traffic apps - in our case 2x == ~$20'000 per month
Thanks for your help. that sounds promising. One question I have is how crashing instances are handled: If I get a warning message like this: After handling this request, the process that handled this request was found to be using too much memory and was terminated. This is likely to cause a new process to be used for the next request to your application. If you see this message frequently, you may have a memory leak in your application. will the instance spin up a new process within milliseconds? Yes I have a lot of datastore reads, but this is mostly because all queries are different and caching the responses wont give me much. I use memcache very heavily. I'm also working on a backend for all these different queries to be served out of RAM... On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:10 AM, renderpaz kev...@gmail.com wrote: The graph of instances is very confusing to me as neither line seems to correspond to the number of instances running, or running with 0 qps, try playing with those instance knobs they can dramatically effect instance count, but for a high qps app like yours, I don't think you will see a dramatic change. Are you running python? it sounds like your will benefit heavily from Python 2.7 with concurrent request handling per instance. If your requests spend the majority of their time waiting, should be no problem to do 4 up, which could really drop your instance costs. I'd then try and tackle your datastore reads. While I have no idea about your app, it seems a bit odd to me that you have more reads that writes, in my app I have a 5:1 write to read ratio as I cache just about everything I write. If you aren't confident you will soon read what you write, cache on read every time. Memcache is fast and free, something to think about. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/ASjp-0R-u8wJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New pricing will cost me over 500 $ monthly for my three sites... I am floored.
I saw a ten times increase for my paid application. In reality that will be much lower if I limit the number of instances, so we will see what the actual cost will be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/_QlYbLC6X6EJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New pricing will cost me over 500 $ monthly for my three sites... I am floored.
Are you running Python or Java instances? A lot of the costs come from the fact that a single Python instance serves one request. We do expect there to be some price increase, but sometimes when someone says 20x increase, it's not clear to us whether that's because you went from $1 - $20 ($9 minimum base price) or because of the instance based pricing. -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine plus.ikailan.com | twitter.com/ikai On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Raymond C. windz...@gmail.com wrote: Each EC2 instance can serve a lot more traffic than AppEngine instance (2 for python at a time at this moment). I would say AppEngine instances are a lot more expensive (not to mention much more limitation). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/98TgfWdWb-IJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New pricing will cost me over 500 $ monthly for my three sites... I am floored.
What is with the front-end instance hours? Are the comparison reports broken or something? In my case, I am going from 30 cents to $5.00 a day. That can't be right. You guys would lose nearly all your customers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/9GUb7qYcMF4J. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing
Sorry for the slow response, we are still working out the details of how Always On will work under the new model. We wanted to give notice in terms of the new pricing as soon as possible, but there are some details that are still being worked out and this is one of them. As we get closer to graduating from preview when the new pricing will apply we'll have more details around various aspects, such as this. Thanks! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 3:21 PM, JH ja...@tickettrackit.com wrote: Yes, Always on is not mentioned in the new pricing at all On May 10, 5:04 pm, Spines kwste...@gmail.com wrote: I read that too. Seems like that is saying there is no free amount of reserved instances. On-demand Frontend Instances- 24 Instance Hours - $0.08 / hour Reserved Frontend Instances -blank___- $0.05 / hour Looks like the $9/mo gets you an SLA and the ability to be infinitely scalable. On May 10, 2:56 pm, stephenp slpe...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.google.com/enterprise/appengine/appengine_pricing.html I have no idea how this applies to python. Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
RE: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing
I'd be happy to fly/drive down and discuss pricing. I'm also interested in pricing for a $10k a month tier. Come on you know you want to offer a volume discount.. Actually if the first 6 hours of promoting my service is an indication we might need to talk about 100k a month tier.. From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gregory D'alesandre Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:34 PM To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing Sorry for the slow response, we are still working out the details of how Always On will work under the new model. We wanted to give notice in terms of the new pricing as soon as possible, but there are some details that are still being worked out and this is one of them. As we get closer to graduating from preview when the new pricing will apply we'll have more details around various aspects, such as this. Thanks! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 3:21 PM, JH ja...@tickettrackit.com wrote: Yes, Always on is not mentioned in the new pricing at all On May 10, 5:04 pm, Spines kwste...@gmail.com wrote: I read that too. Seems like that is saying there is no free amount of reserved instances. On-demand Frontend Instances- 24 Instance Hours - $0.08 / hour Reserved Frontend Instances -blank___- $0.05 / hour Looks like the $9/mo gets you an SLA and the ability to be infinitely scalable. On May 10, 2:56 pm, stephenp slpe...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.google.com/enterprise/appengine/appengine_pricing.html I have no idea how this applies to python. Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:google-appengine%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing
Great to hear that there has been good excitement about your product! If you are interested in volume discounts, I can put you in touch with our sales team :) Greg On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: I’d be happy to fly/drive down and discuss pricing… I’m also interested in pricing for a $10k a month tier… Come on you know you want to offer a volume discount…. Actually if the first 6 hours of promoting my service is an indication we might need to talk about 100k a month tier…. *From:* google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto: google-appengine@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Gregory D'alesandre *Sent:* Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:34 PM *To:* google-appengine@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing Sorry for the slow response, we are still working out the details of how Always On will work under the new model. We wanted to give notice in terms of the new pricing as soon as possible, but there are some details that are still being worked out and this is one of them. As we get closer to graduating from preview when the new pricing will apply we'll have more details around various aspects, such as this. Thanks! Greg D'Alesandre Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 3:21 PM, JH ja...@tickettrackit.com wrote: Yes, Always on is not mentioned in the new pricing at all On May 10, 5:04 pm, Spines kwste...@gmail.com wrote: I read that too. Seems like that is saying there is no free amount of reserved instances. On-demand Frontend Instances- 24 Instance Hours - $0.08 / hour Reserved Frontend Instances -blank___- $0.05 / hour Looks like the $9/mo gets you an SLA and the ability to be infinitely scalable. On May 10, 2:56 pm, stephenp slpe...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.google.com/enterprise/appengine/appengine_pricing.html I have no idea how this applies to python. Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
