[appengine-java] Re: [Perhaps OT] Oracle vs. Google : Java still a viable language?
On Aug 27, 4:54 pm, Romain Pelisse wrote: > You could definitely argue that Red Hat is yet an other "greedy corporate > owner" but it is one that has always understood the importance of "openess". I don't mind companies making bucket-loads of money just so long as they don't do it (directly or indirectly) at the expense of the end- users and developers (by trying to shut down competition by hook or by crook). > Nonetheless, it seems that Oracle is harming Java and even if Java can > certainly survives it, it's not a good thing anyway. Yeah, I think most would agree that Oracle ownership of Java isn't good. Regards, markVgti -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine for Java" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en.
Re: [appengine-java] Re: [Perhaps OT] Oracle vs. Google : Java still a viable language?
> > I am worried about not just Java on GAE (though that's the more > immediate concern), but also about Java's future in general. Don't > want to be stuck with a proprietary language that has bad stewardship > and a belligerent, short-sighted, greedy corporate owner. > Well, as long as Red Hat/JBoss stays what it is now, I think Java is safe. Red Hat has become an important member of the Java community since they acquired JBoss and they were (I think) one of the first contributors to OpenJDK. All the products of JBoss rely on Java, so if, at some point, Oracle tries to really close down Java, my guess is Red Hat will then fork OpenJDK. You could definitely argue that Red Hat is yet an other "greedy corporate owner" but it is one that has always understood the importance of "openess". Nonetheless, it seems that Oracle is harming Java and even if Java can certainly survives it, it's not a good thing anyway. -- Romain PELISSE, "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it" -- Terry Pratchett http://belaran.eu/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine for Java" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en.
[appengine-java] Re: [Perhaps OT] Oracle vs. Google : Java still a viable language?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Shawn. IANAL either :-). I am worried about not just Java on GAE (though that's the more immediate concern), but also about Java's future in general. Don't want to be stuck with a proprietary language that has bad stewardship and a belligerent, short-sighted, greedy corporate owner. Also, Java on GAE seems to be a secondary citizen to Python :-)... that makes me question even more whether I should be learning Python ;-). On Aug 27, 2:13 pm, Shawn Brown wrote: > > Motivation: I am at the early stages of implementing a web app on GAE > > using Java, but if I need to switch to Python, I shouldn't delay it > > any more. > > Anyway, what do you guys think? > > IANAL but you asked so here goes. I think you are fine using java on GAE. > > My guess is that since appengine is a derivative of OpenJDK that the > (SE) patent grant holds for appengine as long as it doesn't implement > new core functionality which the OpenJDK does not. In such a case, I > don't believe the patent grant holds. You'd have to read the grant > more closely or an analysis of it to know whether only partially > implementing it carries the grant. Even if Oracle were to argue > partial implementation does not, I believe the GPL2 combined with a > patent grant for that code means effectively that Oracle can not say > what people do with the GPL2 code, only that new functionality may not > carry the protection. > > So, were GAE to fork OpenJDK and implement new core java classes (this > does not mean new classes using java but a re-implementation of java > with new functionality), then it's possible that we may see patent > issues. Given the issues with Android though, I suspect Google will > stay in the clear and I do not believe the GAE SDK does this. > > That said, if you try to take the SDK jars and set up an equivalent of > GAE that runs on your phone (note: I am not talking about an app on a > phone that connects to GAE, I am talking about *running* a GAE > instance on a mobile phone) then perhaps you may have trouble as > Oracle reserved the rights to mobile devices for non-GPL versions of > Java. Nobody would or could ever do that I think, and so am sure it > won't ever be an issue. > > Don't listen to me though. Really don't. > > Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine for Java" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en.
