Re: [appengine-java] Re: Question about security of my data on AppEngine and Guarentee.
I need some answers, it's really important for my business. Regards, Christian On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: Oh I forgot one question that my administrators asked me. If I delete an objet from my datastore, how long this data is kept in Google's backup ? Christian On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot, My last concern was about laws an countries. I'm from canada and personnal informations is a big concern over here. I read somewhere that it's planned to have the possibilities to choose in which countrie my data are stored, but not in a short/mid term delay. Is that right ? I also read that it was stored in california, is that righ too ? Regards, Christian On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Ronmell (VDKiT) ringe...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Christian. Remember the data in datastore is schemaless which means there's no clue of how data is stored. so, if someone gets inside your application he needs to know the declaration of the entity or at least how the POJO is structured in order to know how to get the data. In python, for example, when you use the tools for manipulating/ connecting to the data in your app, you need to have a exporter/loader class thus if you don't know how entities are structured the tool will retrieve errors instead of data and even the tool is not going to allow you to connect. unless you give the intruder the declaration of the POJOs or entities in your data store. Besides, you can control, the flow of data, by implementing a module which resolve and process all the request to the datastore and you can use authentication and that's all, simple and effective. Rgds. R On Jun 1, 3:43 pm, Ikai L (Google) ika...@google.com wrote: Here's a white paper about Google Apps security: http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/w. .. http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/w.. .You'll find many of the same topics apply with regards to App Engine, though we have not yet published an App Engine specific security whitepaper. We'll maintain the same physical and electronic security guarantees of security for your data, however, ultimately it'll be up to you to write your application in a secure fashion (prevent XSS attacks, educate users about phishing, logically segment data, etc). On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: I want to understand exactly how data that I send into data store are secured, the limitation and what is the guarantee if someone brakes in and steel some personnal informations about a member ? I want to build a small a application for a small business that store a lot of informations about their members. Those informations are sensitive and I was wondering how am I protected. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com google-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en. -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine Blog:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engine Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en.
Re: [appengine-java] Re: Question about security of my data on AppEngine and Guarentee.
No, we do not allow selection of where data is physically stored. This feature is not scheduled in our roadmap http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/roadmap.html On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: I need some answers, it's really important for my business. Regards, Christian On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: Oh I forgot one question that my administrators asked me. If I delete an objet from my datastore, how long this data is kept in Google's backup ? Christian On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot, My last concern was about laws an countries. I'm from canada and personnal informations is a big concern over here. I read somewhere that it's planned to have the possibilities to choose in which countrie my data are stored, but not in a short/mid term delay. Is that right ? I also read that it was stored in california, is that righ too ? Regards, Christian On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Ronmell (VDKiT) ringe...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Christian. Remember the data in datastore is schemaless which means there's no clue of how data is stored. so, if someone gets inside your application he needs to know the declaration of the entity or at least how the POJO is structured in order to know how to get the data. In python, for example, when you use the tools for manipulating/ connecting to the data in your app, you need to have a exporter/loader class thus if you don't know how entities are structured the tool will retrieve errors instead of data and even the tool is not going to allow you to connect. unless you give the intruder the declaration of the POJOs or entities in your data store. Besides, you can control, the flow of data, by implementing a module which resolve and process all the request to the datastore and you can use authentication and that's all, simple and effective. Rgds. R On Jun 1, 3:43 pm, Ikai L (Google) ika...@google.com wrote: Here's a white paper about Google Apps security: http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/w. .. http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/w.. .You'll find many of the same topics apply with regards to App Engine, though we have not yet published an App Engine specific security whitepaper. We'll maintain the same physical and electronic security guarantees of security for your data, however, ultimately it'll be up to you to write your application in a secure fashion (prevent XSS attacks, educate users about phishing, logically segment data, etc). On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: I want to understand exactly how data that I send into data store are secured, the limitation and what is the guarantee if someone brakes in and steel some personnal informations about a member ? I want to build a small a application for a small business that store a lot of informations about their members. Those informations are sensitive and I was wondering how am I protected. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com google-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en. -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine Blog:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engine Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en. -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine
Re: [appengine-java] Re: Question about security of my data on AppEngine and Guarentee.
Hi Christian, For that kind of control on physical security, you really need dedicated servers that you can physically touch in a data center. This is really very not cheap. Some kinds of applications require this security, such as banking, investment, or credit tracking software, where you are dealing with customers with a great deal to lose, and I'm talking on the order of millions. Suppose someone broke into google's servers and hacked the database. This is quite unlikely, and even if someone *did* break in, I think your small business application is going to be the least of their interests. But suppose they did break in -- they would still be unable to access your data unless they also had the schema definitions. What are you doing to safeguard your source control and configuration management systems? If someone has those, then the possibility of stealing data becomes much more likely. There's no way to say *where* data is hosted in this kind of database. Even Google would probably be hard pressed to figure out exactly what location a particular piece of data is at any given moment. If you really need high end security, then you'd indubitably need that kind of failover as well. For instance, I once worked for a high-end consumer credit agency. In the event that their primary data center failed, in their missle-hardened unmarked location in the US, then we had a disaster recovery system ready to go in Canada. The end consumer would have noticed little to no change in the behavior of the system. Google's failover and backup system probably makes this look like child's play. I'm not going to say these kinds of concerns of yours are groundless, but I will suggest to you that they're probably exaggerated for the application you have in mind. If they're not exaggerated, then probably Google App Engine is not the solution you need. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: I need some answers, it's really important for my business. Regards, Christian On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: Oh I forgot one question that my administrators asked me. If I delete an objet from my datastore, how long this data is kept in Google's backup ? Christian On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot, My last concern was about laws an countries. I'm from canada and personnal informations is a big concern over here. I read somewhere that it's planned to have the possibilities to choose in which countrie my data are stored, but not in a short/mid term delay. Is that right ? I also read that it was stored in california, is that righ too ? Regards, Christian On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Ronmell (VDKiT) ringe...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Christian. Remember the data in datastore is schemaless which means there's no clue of how data is stored. so, if someone gets inside your application he needs to know the declaration of the entity or at least how the POJO is structured in order to know how to get the data. In python, for example, when you use the tools for manipulating/ connecting to the data in your app, you need to have a exporter/loader class thus if you don't know how entities are structured the tool will retrieve errors instead of data and even the tool is not going to allow you to connect. unless you give the intruder the declaration of the POJOs or entities in your data store. Besides, you can control, the flow of data, by implementing a module which resolve and process all the request to the datastore and you can use authentication and that's all, simple and effective. Rgds. R On Jun 1, 3:43 pm, Ikai L (Google) ika...@google.com wrote: Here's a white paper about Google Apps security: http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/w. .. http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/w.. .You'll find many of the same topics apply with regards to App Engine, though we have not yet published an App Engine specific security whitepaper. We'll maintain the same physical and electronic security guarantees of security for your data, however, ultimately it'll be up to you to write your application in a secure fashion (prevent XSS attacks, educate users about phishing, logically segment data, etc). On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: I want to understand exactly how data that I send into data store are secured, the limitation and what is the guarantee if someone brakes in and steel some personnal informations about a member ? I want to build a small a application for a small business that store a lot of informations about their members. Those informations are sensitive and I was wondering how am I protected. Thanks -- You
Re: [appengine-java] Re: Question about security of my data on AppEngine and Guarentee.
I also think they are exagerated. But what I'm thinking is not important lol :D Christian On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Bill Milligan bill.milli...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Christian, For that kind of control on physical security, you really need dedicated servers that you can physically touch in a data center. This is really very not cheap. Some kinds of applications require this security, such as banking, investment, or credit tracking software, where you are dealing with customers with a great deal to lose, and I'm talking on the order of millions. Suppose someone broke into google's servers and hacked the database. This is quite unlikely, and even if someone *did* break in, I think your small business application is going to be the least of their interests. But suppose they did break in -- they would still be unable to access your data unless they also had the schema definitions. What are you doing to safeguard your source control and configuration management systems? If someone has those, then the possibility of stealing data becomes much more likely. There's no way to say *where* data is hosted in this kind of database. Even Google would probably be hard pressed to figure out exactly what location a particular piece of data is at any given moment. If you really need high end security, then you'd indubitably need that kind of failover as well. For instance, I once worked for a high-end consumer credit agency. In the event that their primary data center failed, in their missle-hardened unmarked location in the US, then we had a disaster recovery system ready to go in Canada. The end consumer would have noticed little to no change in the behavior of the system. Google's failover and backup system probably makes this look like child's play. I'm not going to say these kinds of concerns of yours are groundless, but I will suggest to you that they're probably exaggerated for the application you have in mind. If they're not exaggerated, then probably Google App Engine is not the solution you need. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: I need some answers, it's really important for my business. Regards, Christian On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: Oh I forgot one question that my administrators asked me. If I delete an objet from my datastore, how long this data is kept in Google's backup ? Christian On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot, My last concern was about laws an countries. I'm from canada and personnal informations is a big concern over here. I read somewhere that it's planned to have the possibilities to choose in which countrie my data are stored, but not in a short/mid term delay. Is that right ? I also read that it was stored in california, is that righ too ? Regards, Christian On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Ronmell (VDKiT) ringe...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Christian. Remember the data in datastore is schemaless which means there's no clue of how data is stored. so, if someone gets inside your application he needs to know the declaration of the entity or at least how the POJO is structured in order to know how to get the data. In python, for example, when you use the tools for manipulating/ connecting to the data in your app, you need to have a exporter/loader class thus if you don't know how entities are structured the tool will retrieve errors instead of data and even the tool is not going to allow you to connect. unless you give the intruder the declaration of the POJOs or entities in your data store. Besides, you can control, the flow of data, by implementing a module which resolve and process all the request to the datastore and you can use authentication and that's all, simple and effective. Rgds. R On Jun 1, 3:43 pm, Ikai L (Google) ika...@google.com wrote: Here's a white paper about Google Apps security: http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/w. .. http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/w.. .You'll find many of the same topics apply with regards to App Engine, though we have not yet published an App Engine specific security whitepaper. We'll maintain the same physical and electronic security guarantees of security for your data, however, ultimately it'll be up to you to write your application in a secure fashion (prevent XSS attacks, educate users about phishing, logically segment data, etc). On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: I want to understand exactly how data that I send into data store are secured, the limitation and what is the guarantee if someone brakes in and steel some personnal informations about a member ? I want to build a small a
[appengine-java] Re: Question about security of my data on AppEngine and Guarentee.
Hi Christian. Remember the data in datastore is schemaless which means there's no clue of how data is stored. so, if someone gets inside your application he needs to know the declaration of the entity or at least how the POJO is structured in order to know how to get the data. In python, for example, when you use the tools for manipulating/ connecting to the data in your app, you need to have a exporter/loader class thus if you don't know how entities are structured the tool will retrieve errors instead of data and even the tool is not going to allow you to connect. unless you give the intruder the declaration of the POJOs or entities in your data store. Besides, you can control, the flow of data, by implementing a module which resolve and process all the request to the datastore and you can use authentication and that's all, simple and effective. Rgds. R On Jun 1, 3:43 pm, Ikai L (Google) ika...@google.com wrote: Here's a white paper about Google Apps security: http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/w... http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/w...You'll find many of the same topics apply with regards to App Engine, though we have not yet published an App Engine specific security whitepaper. We'll maintain the same physical and electronic security guarantees of security for your data, however, ultimately it'll be up to you to write your application in a secure fashion (prevent XSS attacks, educate users about phishing, logically segment data, etc). On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: I want to understand exactly how data that I send into data store are secured, the limitation and what is the guarantee if someone brakes in and steel some personnal informations about a member ? I want to build a small a application for a small business that store a lot of informations about their members. Those informations are sensitive and I was wondering how am I protected. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en. -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine Blog:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engine Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en.
Re: [appengine-java] Re: Question about security of my data on AppEngine and Guarentee.
Thanks a lot, My last concern was about laws an countries. I'm from canada and personnal informations is a big concern over here. I read somewhere that it's planned to have the possibilities to choose in which countrie my data are stored, but not in a short/mid term delay. Is that right ? I also read that it was stored in california, is that righ too ? Regards, Christian On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Ronmell (VDKiT) ringe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christian. Remember the data in datastore is schemaless which means there's no clue of how data is stored. so, if someone gets inside your application he needs to know the declaration of the entity or at least how the POJO is structured in order to know how to get the data. In python, for example, when you use the tools for manipulating/ connecting to the data in your app, you need to have a exporter/loader class thus if you don't know how entities are structured the tool will retrieve errors instead of data and even the tool is not going to allow you to connect. unless you give the intruder the declaration of the POJOs or entities in your data store. Besides, you can control, the flow of data, by implementing a module which resolve and process all the request to the datastore and you can use authentication and that's all, simple and effective. Rgds. R On Jun 1, 3:43 pm, Ikai L (Google) ika...@google.com wrote: Here's a white paper about Google Apps security: http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/w... http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/w.. .You'll find many of the same topics apply with regards to App Engine, though we have not yet published an App Engine specific security whitepaper. We'll maintain the same physical and electronic security guarantees of security for your data, however, ultimately it'll be up to you to write your application in a secure fashion (prevent XSS attacks, educate users about phishing, logically segment data, etc). On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: I want to understand exactly how data that I send into data store are secured, the limitation and what is the guarantee if someone brakes in and steel some personnal informations about a member ? I want to build a small a application for a small business that store a lot of informations about their members. Those informations are sensitive and I was wondering how am I protected. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com google-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en. -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine Blog:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engine Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en.
Re: [appengine-java] Re: Question about security of my data on AppEngine and Guarentee.
Oh I forgot one question that my administrators asked me. If I delete an objet from my datastore, how long this data is kept in Google's backup ? Christian On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot, My last concern was about laws an countries. I'm from canada and personnal informations is a big concern over here. I read somewhere that it's planned to have the possibilities to choose in which countrie my data are stored, but not in a short/mid term delay. Is that right ? I also read that it was stored in california, is that righ too ? Regards, Christian On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Ronmell (VDKiT) ringe...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Christian. Remember the data in datastore is schemaless which means there's no clue of how data is stored. so, if someone gets inside your application he needs to know the declaration of the entity or at least how the POJO is structured in order to know how to get the data. In python, for example, when you use the tools for manipulating/ connecting to the data in your app, you need to have a exporter/loader class thus if you don't know how entities are structured the tool will retrieve errors instead of data and even the tool is not going to allow you to connect. unless you give the intruder the declaration of the POJOs or entities in your data store. Besides, you can control, the flow of data, by implementing a module which resolve and process all the request to the datastore and you can use authentication and that's all, simple and effective. Rgds. R On Jun 1, 3:43 pm, Ikai L (Google) ika...@google.com wrote: Here's a white paper about Google Apps security: http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/w. .. http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/w.. .You'll find many of the same topics apply with regards to App Engine, though we have not yet published an App Engine specific security whitepaper. We'll maintain the same physical and electronic security guarantees of security for your data, however, ultimately it'll be up to you to write your application in a secure fashion (prevent XSS attacks, educate users about phishing, logically segment data, etc). On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Christian Goudreau goudreau.christ...@gmail.com wrote: I want to understand exactly how data that I send into data store are secured, the limitation and what is the guarantee if someone brakes in and steel some personnal informations about a member ? I want to build a small a application for a small business that store a lot of informations about their members. Those informations are sensitive and I was wondering how am I protected. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com google-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en. -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine Blog:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engine Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-appengine-java%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine-j...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine-java+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-java?hl=en.
