Re: [appengine-java] Re: Scheduler features and load time limitations

2011-07-22 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
I haven't heard any plans to lift the 30s load time to start an application.
30s+ loading time seems pretty bad to me ...

Ikai Lan
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On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Marcel Overdijk
marceloverd...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Ikai,

 I cannot find answer to:

 1) Will the limit of 30s to start an application be lifted?

 The other question seems to be answered since the changes in 1.5.2
 (http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/adminconsole/
 performancesettings.html#Setting_the_Minimum_Pending_Latency)


 On Jul 22, 4:24 pm, Ikai Lan (Google) ika...@google.com wrote:
  Have you taken a look at the scheduler that has shipped? It should be
 under
  Application Settings. If there's anything there that you think might be
  needed, please let us know.
 
  Ikai Lan
  Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine
  Blog:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com
  Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engine
  Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine
 
  On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Marcel Overdijk
  marceloverd...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Everybody knows about load time issues when using frameworks that take
   a long time to startup. Take for example Grails.
 
   I wonder if we will still encounter these issues after the pricing
   changes.
 
   1) Will the limit of 30s to start an application be lifted?
 
   2) How smart will the scheduler be to startup new instances? Will it
   for example take into account the avg load time of previously started
   instances?
 
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Re: [appengine-java] Re: Scheduler features and load time limitations

2011-07-22 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
What's the startup time on Grails now?

I can ask about the 30s startup time, but I'm sure there are some pretty
serious consequences to an app with a 40s-50s startup time. I'm a bit
surprised, honestly, because even a JRuby on Rails app shouldn't take more
than 30 seconds to startup.

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On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Marcel Overdijk
marceloverd...@gmail.comwrote:

 Yes might be, but frameworks like Grails need a longer startup time.

 It does not matter for any application server nor cloud provider
 except GAE.
 That's why I'm asking about future working of scheduler.

 Further, if I keep up enough instances I would not bother the startup
 time at all...


 I'm not saying 30s limit is bad or good, I'm just looking if using
 Grails on GAE will be feasible or not.


 On Jul 22, 9:06 pm, Ikai Lan (Google) ika...@google.com wrote:
  I haven't heard any plans to lift the 30s load time to start an
 application.
  30s+ loading time seems pretty bad to me ...
 
  Ikai Lan
  Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine
  Blog:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com
  Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engine
  Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine
 
  On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Marcel Overdijk
  marceloverd...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Hi Ikai,
 
   I cannot find answer to:
 
   1) Will the limit of 30s to start an application be lifted?
 
   The other question seems to be answered since the changes in 1.5.2
   (http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/adminconsole/
   performancesettings.html#Setting_the_Minimum_Pending_Latency)
 
   On Jul 22, 4:24 pm, Ikai Lan (Google) ika...@google.com wrote:
Have you taken a look at the scheduler that has shipped? It should be
   under
Application Settings. If there's anything there that you think
 might be
needed, please let us know.
 
Ikai Lan
Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine
Blog:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com
Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engine
Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine
 
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Marcel Overdijk
marceloverd...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 Everybody knows about load time issues when using frameworks that
 take
 a long time to startup. Take for example Grails.
 
 I wonder if we will still encounter these issues after the pricing
 changes.
 
 1) Will the limit of 30s to start an application be lifted?
 
 2) How smart will the scheduler be to startup new instances? Will
 it
 for example take into account the avg load time of previously
 started
 instances?
 
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