Re: Building a Calendar Widget like Google Calendar with GWT advisable?

[rahul kumar]

Since cellpadding is not supporting in HTML5 you should use CSS
 
http://www.corelangs.com/css/table/css-tables.html
 
Ling

On Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:31:18 PM UTC+5:30, John V Denley wrote:

> Thanks Scholle, it actually turned out to be the border-collapse:collapse; 
> setting that made the difference, but what I was doing wrong was applying 
> it to the individual cells rather than the root table itself! 
>
> Looking at information on wc3schools (below) it seems that the cellspacing 
> and cellpadding are html settings and dont apply to CSS settings. Although 
> I did find somewhere that cellspacing is valid if you 
> have border-collapse:separate; set in your CSS... but i cant find that 
> reference anymore!
>
> Ref:
> http://www.w3schools.com/Css/pr_tab_border-collapse.asp
> http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_table_cellspacing.asp
>  
> http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_table_cellpadding.asp
>
>
> Good luck with your project too, its been good to talk,
> J
>
> 2010/1/23 mst...@googlemail.com   >
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> my name is actually Matthias, but I prefer using Scholle...
>>
>> Anyway, thanks for the feedback. I think I know what I need to know
>> and will get this done next week.
>>
>> Regarding your problem with the gaps. It's a typical cellpadding /
>> cellspacing problem.
>>
>> Thanks to the Firebug guys, I just looked at your DOM representation
>> and found that there are 3 three tables with class "daygrid" (table
>> for days, table for employee/owner, table for the main grid itself).
>> All three tables missing the two attributes cellpadding="0" and
>> cellspacing="0". Add them and you are where you want to be...
>>
>> Good luck...
>>
>> Scholle
>>
>> On Jan 23, 6:34 pm, John Denley  wrote:
>> > Great to have some technical feedback on this at last Scholle (is that 
>> your
>> > first name?) I've been pretty much flying alone on this over the last 
>> few
>> > months. I only started with java/GWT/GAE in September having done 
>> virtually
>> > no programming for  nearly 10 years before that! I only say this 
>> because a
>> > lot of what you have said below would have been totally meaningless to 
>> me 6
>> > months ago. I have built what I have done based on whatever was the 
>> easiest
>> > and most workable solution I could figure out at the time, so in answer 
>> to
>> > your question, I have not put any thought into the methods behind what 
>> Ive
>> > been doing. This product originally started off as one row per hour, 
>> and 3
>> > vertical columns as a proof of principle so see if GWT would work for 
>> me,
>> > and if it worked fast enough! Ive extended as and when I have learned 
>> new
>> > functionality and methods.
>> >
>> > It has always been my intention that as soon as we get some additional
>> > funding, then we can employ a "real" programmer or two, to reconstruct 
>> the
>> > product in a more streamlined way (it does a huge amount more than what 
>> you
>> > can see in that small demo!)
>> >
>> > I love your ideas of flowing the views to make it look smooth and 
>> "cool".
>> > The philosophy behind what I have done has always intended to be a
>> > replication of a paper diary as close as possible, such that it is not 
>> too
>> > "alien" to anyone who has NOT used something like outlook in the past. 
>> This
>> > is why we have the "month/week/day" forward and backwards buttons, 
>> trying to
>> > make it a little like turning the page of a paper diary. As such for me 
>> it
>> > would be nice to make it LOOK like you were actually turning the page 
>> (ive
>> > seen this in online magazines etc, but they usually use flash to do it).
>> >
>> > The google approach is surely the best way to go, as we certainly need 
>> the
>> > ability to create appointments that do not comply with a standard "slot"
>> > (incidentally, in the admin section, you can change the number of
>> > appointment slots per hour, currently 4 (=15 min))
>> >
>> > I currently have a small problem with my version, in that I cannot get 
>> rid
>> > of the gaps between each table cell. I thought that setting
>> > "border-collapse: collapse;" in the CSS would achieve this, and it may 
>> well
>> > do, but I suspect I have not set it in the correct place, so if you or
>> > anyone else reading this can help, please do let me know!
>> >
>> > Thanks, it was great to hear from you,
>> > John
>> >
>> > On 23 January 2010 15:28, mstu...@googlemail.com <
>> mstu...@googlemail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi John,
>> >
>> > > first, I just visited your calendar app and it looks like a nice piece
>> > > of code... I like the feature of being able to select the number of
>> > > days and also the separation of different concepts such as Employee,
>> > > Owner... Regarding the first, I have this feature on my list as well.
>> > > I was also thinking about giving the user the possibility to choose
>> > > the granularity of the hours axis, so let's say you have field li

Re: Building a Calendar Widget like Google Calendar with GWT advisable?

[John Denley]

Thanks Scholle, it actually turned out to be the border-collapse:collapse;
setting that made the difference, but what I was doing wrong was applying it
to the individual cells rather than the root table itself!

Looking at information on wc3schools (below) it seems that the cellspacing
and cellpadding are html settings and dont apply to CSS settings. Although I
did find somewhere that cellspacing is valid if you
have border-collapse:separate; set in your CSS... but i cant find that
reference anymore!

Ref:
http://www.w3schools.com/Css/pr_tab_border-collapse.asp
http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_table_cellspacing.asp

http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_table_cellpadding.asp


Good luck with your project too, its been good to talk,
J

2010/1/23 mstu...@googlemail.com 

> Hi John,
>
> my name is actually Matthias, but I prefer using Scholle...
>
> Anyway, thanks for the feedback. I think I know what I need to know
> and will get this done next week.
>
> Regarding your problem with the gaps. It's a typical cellpadding /
> cellspacing problem.
>
> Thanks to the Firebug guys, I just looked at your DOM representation
> and found that there are 3 three tables with class "daygrid" (table
> for days, table for employee/owner, table for the main grid itself).
> All three tables missing the two attributes cellpadding="0" and
> cellspacing="0". Add them and you are where you want to be...
>
> Good luck...
>
> Scholle
>
> On Jan 23, 6:34 pm, John Denley  wrote:
> > Great to have some technical feedback on this at last Scholle (is that
> your
> > first name?) I've been pretty much flying alone on this over the last few
> > months. I only started with java/GWT/GAE in September having done
> virtually
> > no programming for  nearly 10 years before that! I only say this because
> a
> > lot of what you have said below would have been totally meaningless to me
> 6
> > months ago. I have built what I have done based on whatever was the
> easiest
> > and most workable solution I could figure out at the time, so in answer
> to
> > your question, I have not put any thought into the methods behind what
> Ive
> > been doing. This product originally started off as one row per hour, and
> 3
> > vertical columns as a proof of principle so see if GWT would work for me,
> > and if it worked fast enough! Ive extended as and when I have learned new
> > functionality and methods.
> >
> > It has always been my intention that as soon as we get some additional
> > funding, then we can employ a "real" programmer or two, to reconstruct
> the
> > product in a more streamlined way (it does a huge amount more than what
> you
> > can see in that small demo!)
> >
> > I love your ideas of flowing the views to make it look smooth and "cool".
> > The philosophy behind what I have done has always intended to be a
> > replication of a paper diary as close as possible, such that it is not
> too
> > "alien" to anyone who has NOT used something like outlook in the past.
> This
> > is why we have the "month/week/day" forward and backwards buttons, trying
> to
> > make it a little like turning the page of a paper diary. As such for me
> it
> > would be nice to make it LOOK like you were actually turning the page
> (ive
> > seen this in online magazines etc, but they usually use flash to do it).
> >
> > The google approach is surely the best way to go, as we certainly need
> the
> > ability to create appointments that do not comply with a standard "slot"
> > (incidentally, in the admin section, you can change the number of
> > appointment slots per hour, currently 4 (=15 min))
> >
> > I currently have a small problem with my version, in that I cannot get
> rid
> > of the gaps between each table cell. I thought that setting
> > "border-collapse: collapse;" in the CSS would achieve this, and it may
> well
> > do, but I suspect I have not set it in the correct place, so if you or
> > anyone else reading this can help, please do let me know!
> >
> > Thanks, it was great to hear from you,
> > John
> >
> > On 23 January 2010 15:28, mstu...@googlemail.com  >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi John,
> >
> > > first, I just visited your calendar app and it looks like a nice piece
> > > of code... I like the feature of being able to select the number of
> > > days and also the separation of different concepts such as Employee,
> > > Owner... Regarding the first, I have this feature on my list as well.
> > > I was also thinking about giving the user the possibility to choose
> > > the granularity of the hours axis, so let's say you have field like
> > > 1-2, 3-4,  This option might be useful if you have events lasting
> > > several hours. I was also thinking about implementing a more advanced
> > > switch between any time range. Let's say you have a week view and
> > > press the button to show the next week. Currently, all calendar
> > > implementations "just" replace certain parts of the calendar
> > > view, .e.g. clear old an

Re: Building a Calendar Widget like Google Calendar with GWT advisable?

[John Denley]

Great to have some technical feedback on this at last Scholle (is that your
first name?) I've been pretty much flying alone on this over the last few
months. I only started with java/GWT/GAE in September having done virtually
no programming for  nearly 10 years before that! I only say this because a
lot of what you have said below would have been totally meaningless to me 6
months ago. I have built what I have done based on whatever was the easiest
and most workable solution I could figure out at the time, so in answer to
your question, I have not put any thought into the methods behind what Ive
been doing. This product originally started off as one row per hour, and 3
vertical columns as a proof of principle so see if GWT would work for me,
and if it worked fast enough! Ive extended as and when I have learned new
functionality and methods.

It has always been my intention that as soon as we get some additional
funding, then we can employ a "real" programmer or two, to reconstruct the
product in a more streamlined way (it does a huge amount more than what you
can see in that small demo!)

I love your ideas of flowing the views to make it look smooth and "cool".
The philosophy behind what I have done has always intended to be a
replication of a paper diary as close as possible, such that it is not too
"alien" to anyone who has NOT used something like outlook in the past. This
is why we have the "month/week/day" forward and backwards buttons, trying to
make it a little like turning the page of a paper diary. As such for me it
would be nice to make it LOOK like you were actually turning the page (ive
seen this in online magazines etc, but they usually use flash to do it).

The google approach is surely the best way to go, as we certainly need the
ability to create appointments that do not comply with a standard "slot"
(incidentally, in the admin section, you can change the number of
appointment slots per hour, currently 4 (=15 min))

I currently have a small problem with my version, in that I cannot get rid
of the gaps between each table cell. I thought that setting
"border-collapse: collapse;" in the CSS would achieve this, and it may well
do, but I suspect I have not set it in the correct place, so if you or
anyone else reading this can help, please do let me know!

Thanks, it was great to hear from you,
John

On 23 January 2010 15:28, mstu...@googlemail.com wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> first, I just visited your calendar app and it looks like a nice piece
> of code... I like the feature of being able to select the number of
> days and also the separation of different concepts such as Employee,
> Owner... Regarding the first, I have this feature on my list as well.
> I was also thinking about giving the user the possibility to choose
> the granularity of the hours axis, so let's say you have field like
> 1-2, 3-4,  This option might be useful if you have events lasting
> several hours. I was also thinking about implementing a more advanced
> switch between any time range. Let's say you have a week view and
> press the button to show the next week. Currently, all calendar
> implementations "just" replace certain parts of the calendar
> view, .e.g. clear old and render new events etc. Wouldm't it be nice
> to fade week 1 out and week 2 in at the same time? Basically, it
> requires you to build up week 2 in an invisible area and then stitch
> it directly to the right side of week 1. This done, you smoothly move
> the container containing week 1 and 2 to the left. I have implemented
> a proof-of-concept in pure JavaScript and it looks pretty cool. What
> do you think about this?
>
> Another thing I am still undecided with is regarding the question of
> how to build the calendar grid itself. I looked at your DOM
> representation. You decided to use a pure Table-based approach. This
> means you have one cell per time unit (e.g. 15 min). In contrast, the
> Google calendar is based on a mix, using a table as the overall
> container. It then uses one div per time unit (they use 1 hour = 24
> divs) on the horizontal axis. Wisely, they use just one div for the
> whole time range, 7 days in this case. On top of this, they create
> another set of divs on per day basis on the vertical axis. Thus, they
> need 7 divs to construct one week. The latter div also serves as a
> container for events, making it possible to size events on a per pixel
> basis which is very flexible. Another approach would be to use a one
> div per time unit per day. For 7 days and a time unit of one hour, you
> would need to create 24*7 divs, whereas the Google calendar approach
> only requires 24+7. Due to simplicity reasons, I have used the 24*7
> div approach in the proof-of-concept implementation mentioned above
> which worked fine. However, the Google approach obviously outperforms
> the 24*7 approach. John, have you thought about these issues or even
> have another lightweight solution in your sleeve?
>
> Thanks! Scholle
>
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2:45

Re: Building a Calendar Widget like Google Calendar with GWT advisable?

[mstu...@googlemail.com]

Hi John,

first, I just visited your calendar app and it looks like a nice piece
of code... I like the feature of being able to select the number of
days and also the separation of different concepts such as Employee,
Owner... Regarding the first, I have this feature on my list as well.
I was also thinking about giving the user the possibility to choose
the granularity of the hours axis, so let's say you have field like
1-2, 3-4,  This option might be useful if you have events lasting
several hours. I was also thinking about implementing a more advanced
switch between any time range. Let's say you have a week view and
press the button to show the next week. Currently, all calendar
implementations "just" replace certain parts of the calendar
view, .e.g. clear old and render new events etc. Wouldm't it be nice
to fade week 1 out and week 2 in at the same time? Basically, it
requires you to build up week 2 in an invisible area and then stitch
it directly to the right side of week 1. This done, you smoothly move
the container containing week 1 and 2 to the left. I have implemented
a proof-of-concept in pure JavaScript and it looks pretty cool. What
do you think about this?

Another thing I am still undecided with is regarding the question of
how to build the calendar grid itself. I looked at your DOM
representation. You decided to use a pure Table-based approach. This
means you have one cell per time unit (e.g. 15 min). In contrast, the
Google calendar is based on a mix, using a table as the overall
container. It then uses one div per time unit (they use 1 hour = 24
divs) on the horizontal axis. Wisely, they use just one div for the
whole time range, 7 days in this case. On top of this, they create
another set of divs on per day basis on the vertical axis. Thus, they
need 7 divs to construct one week. The latter div also serves as a
container for events, making it possible to size events on a per pixel
basis which is very flexible. Another approach would be to use a one
div per time unit per day. For 7 days and a time unit of one hour, you
would need to create 24*7 divs, whereas the Google calendar approach
only requires 24+7. Due to simplicity reasons, I have used the 24*7
div approach in the proof-of-concept implementation mentioned above
which worked fine. However, the Google approach obviously outperforms
the 24*7 approach. John, have you thought about these issues or even
have another lightweight solution in your sleeve?

Thanks! Scholle



On Jan 23, 2:45 pm, John Denley  wrote:
> It all depends on what your "several reasons" for doing it yourself are... I
> have had to do it all myself, I'm not 100% pleased with the results, but at
> least the functionality is working how I want it to work, and I have 100%
> control over what it does and how it works.
>
> I was lead to believe there were some things in the pipeline for the google
> calendar API that might help me do what i needed to do, but it seems that
> the API for the google calendar itself wont do what i need it to do in quite
> the right way and certainly not in the timeframe i need, so im sticking with
> my self built solution.
>
> The hardest part I have found so far is dealing with mouse interraction and
> resizing of columns and rows, not least to take account of scroll bars,
> which are different sizes on different browsers, and I have yet to find a
> consistent automatic way to take care of this.
>
> Ive also had a huge amount of problems with figuring out dynamic CSS
> priorities, which obviously effects the look and feel of the calendar area.
> firebug has helped a great deal on this, but i still find myself saying "why
> has that border size not filtered through correctly?"
>
> HTH,
> John
> PS if you want to look at what Ive done so far you can see it 
> athttp://demo.ideba.net(doesnt seem to work in IE7, havn't figured out why
> yet!)
>
> On 22 January 2010 15:39, mstu...@googlemail.com 
> wrote:
>
> > Useful hint, one can certainly use the calendar of this lib as a
> > reference implementation...
>
> > Thanks!
>
> > On 21 Jan., 19:02, Paul Robinson  wrote:
> > > Seehttp://code.google.com/p/ftr-gwt-library/
>
> > > Paul
>
> > > mstu...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > > Hi All,
>
> > > > I am quite new to GWT and currently evaluating this technology. For a
> > > > project I need to build an application containing a calendar such as
> > > > Google Calendar where the user can create and move events around. The
> > > > SmartGWT lib contains a Calendar Widget but I want to build my own due
> > > > to several reasons. However, when using the SmartGwt Calendar widget,
> > > > it seems very slow. Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean that
> > > > building such kind of widgets with GWT will be slow. However, the
> > > > alternative to using GWT would be implenenting it in pure JavaScript
> > > > and using some of the libs such as Prototype, Dojo, etc. I am pretty
> > > > familiar with.
>
> > > > Has anyone build a Calendar in GWT or something s

Re: Building a Calendar Widget like Google Calendar with GWT advisable?

[John Denley]

It all depends on what your "several reasons" for doing it yourself are... I
have had to do it all myself, I'm not 100% pleased with the results, but at
least the functionality is working how I want it to work, and I have 100%
control over what it does and how it works.

I was lead to believe there were some things in the pipeline for the google
calendar API that might help me do what i needed to do, but it seems that
the API for the google calendar itself wont do what i need it to do in quite
the right way and certainly not in the timeframe i need, so im sticking with
my self built solution.

The hardest part I have found so far is dealing with mouse interraction and
resizing of columns and rows, not least to take account of scroll bars,
which are different sizes on different browsers, and I have yet to find a
consistent automatic way to take care of this.

Ive also had a huge amount of problems with figuring out dynamic CSS
priorities, which obviously effects the look and feel of the calendar area.
firebug has helped a great deal on this, but i still find myself saying "why
has that border size not filtered through correctly?"

HTH,
John
PS if you want to look at what Ive done so far you can see it at
http://demo.ideba.net (doesnt seem to work in IE7, havn't figured out why
yet!)

On 22 January 2010 15:39, mstu...@googlemail.com wrote:

> Useful hint, one can certainly use the calendar of this lib as a
> reference implementation...
>
> Thanks!
>
> On 21 Jan., 19:02, Paul Robinson  wrote:
> > Seehttp://code.google.com/p/ftr-gwt-library/
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > mstu...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> >
> > > I am quite new to GWT and currently evaluating this technology. For a
> > > project I need to build an application containing a calendar such as
> > > Google Calendar where the user can create and move events around. The
> > > SmartGWT lib contains a Calendar Widget but I want to build my own due
> > > to several reasons. However, when using the SmartGwt Calendar widget,
> > > it seems very slow. Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean that
> > > building such kind of widgets with GWT will be slow. However, the
> > > alternative to using GWT would be implenenting it in pure JavaScript
> > > and using some of the libs such as Prototype, Dojo, etc. I am pretty
> > > familiar with.
> >
> > > Has anyone build a Calendar in GWT or something similar and is willing
> > > to share some experience?
> >
> > > Thanks very much!
> >
> > > Scholle
>
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Re: Building a Calendar Widget like Google Calendar with GWT advisable?

[mstu...@googlemail.com]

Useful hint, one can certainly use the calendar of this lib as a
reference implementation...

Thanks!

On 21 Jan., 19:02, Paul Robinson  wrote:
> Seehttp://code.google.com/p/ftr-gwt-library/
>
> Paul
>
> mstu...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > Hi All,
>
> > I am quite new to GWT and currently evaluating this technology. For a
> > project I need to build an application containing a calendar such as
> > Google Calendar where the user can create and move events around. The
> > SmartGWT lib contains a Calendar Widget but I want to build my own due
> > to several reasons. However, when using the SmartGwt Calendar widget,
> > it seems very slow. Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean that
> > building such kind of widgets with GWT will be slow. However, the
> > alternative to using GWT would be implenenting it in pure JavaScript
> > and using some of the libs such as Prototype, Dojo, etc. I am pretty
> > familiar with.
>
> > Has anyone build a Calendar in GWT or something similar and is willing
> > to share some experience?
>
> > Thanks very much!
>
> > Scholle

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Re: Building a Calendar Widget like Google Calendar with GWT advisable?

[Paul Robinson]

See http://code.google.com/p/ftr-gwt-library/

Paul

mstu...@googlemail.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am quite new to GWT and currently evaluating this technology. For a
> project I need to build an application containing a calendar such as
> Google Calendar where the user can create and move events around. The
> SmartGWT lib contains a Calendar Widget but I want to build my own due
> to several reasons. However, when using the SmartGwt Calendar widget,
> it seems very slow. Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean that
> building such kind of widgets with GWT will be slow. However, the
> alternative to using GWT would be implenenting it in pure JavaScript
> and using some of the libs such as Prototype, Dojo, etc. I am pretty
> familiar with.
>
> Has anyone build a Calendar in GWT or something similar and is willing
> to share some experience?
>
> Thanks very much!
>
> Scholle
>   
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Re: Building a Calendar Widget like Google Calendar with GWT advisable?

[Hasan Turksoy]

i don't know much about it but there is a component library including
calendar here: http://code.google.com/p/ftr-gwt-library/

you can see the demo from here: 
http://www.future-earth.eu/gwt/calendar/MainDemoApp.html

hope it helps,

Hasan...

On Jan 21, 2:24 pm, "mstu...@googlemail.com" 
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am quite new to GWT and currently evaluating this technology. For a
> project I need to build an application containing a calendar such as
> Google Calendar where the user can create and move events around. The
> SmartGWT lib contains a Calendar Widget but I want to build my own due
> to several reasons. However, when using the SmartGwt Calendar widget,
> it seems very slow. Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean that
> building such kind of widgets with GWT will be slow. However, the
> alternative to using GWT would be implenenting it in pure JavaScript
> and using some of the libs such as Prototype, Dojo, etc. I am pretty
> familiar with.
>
> Has anyone build a Calendar in GWT or something similar and is willing
> to share some experience?
>
> Thanks very much!
>
> Scholle
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Building a Calendar Widget like Google Calendar with GWT advisable?

[mstu...@googlemail.com]

Hi All,

I am quite new to GWT and currently evaluating this technology. For a
project I need to build an application containing a calendar such as
Google Calendar where the user can create and move events around. The
SmartGWT lib contains a Calendar Widget but I want to build my own due
to several reasons. However, when using the SmartGwt Calendar widget,
it seems very slow. Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean that
building such kind of widgets with GWT will be slow. However, the
alternative to using GWT would be implenenting it in pure JavaScript
and using some of the libs such as Prototype, Dojo, etc. I am pretty
familiar with.

Has anyone build a Calendar in GWT or something similar and is willing
to share some experience?

Thanks very much!

Scholle
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