[GreenYouth] Re: Who the hell is Varkala Radhakrishnan?

[Sebin Jacob]

ചോദ്യോത്തരങ്ങള്‍

സ്വവർഗാനുരാഗം 
പ്രകൃതിവിരുദ്ധമോ?
http://marathalayan1.blogspot.com/2009/07/blog-post_09.html

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[GreenYouth] Re: APCR brings out a guidebook to save common man from police ‘power’

[venukm]

This book might be much relevant for a State like Kerala, where people
keeping sympathies with their favoured political parties in control of
the administration  would not appreciate it in most cases,  that
lawless activities by police toward people not protected by their
organizational cover should attract outright condemnation and
punishment.
Spreading this kind of information is very crucial in a society where
concerns for genuine peace and order easily get distorted to paranoiac
aspersions thanks to sectarian political campaigns.
 Kerala could be the only place outside West Bengal, where solidarity
meetings in favour of the ongoing brutal police repression of
thousands of unarmed poor  villagers in the wake of  the so called "
Maoists" attacks against CPI(M) cadres are being staged , with many of
the intellectuals and foot soldiers of the 'cultural front' either
supporting  by their silence, or by their active advocacy for sort of
'no compromise' with poor daring to challenge and instantly
identifying each such act with Maoism or terrorism.

On 10 July, 10:37, Mahtab Alam  wrote:
> APCR brings out a guidebook to save common man from police ‘power’
>
> http://www.twocircles.net/2009jul09/apcr_brings_out_guidebook_save_co...
>
> By Mumtaz Alam Falahi, TwoCircles.net
>
> New Delhi: The more ignorant of their rights is the common man the more
> ‘powerful’ (read unlawful) is the police force. Hardly is any nation
> witnessing it more than we in India. The import of “war on terror” has
> further intoxicated the powered police. And ‘naturally’ – thanks to media
> and government policies worldover, as also in India – Muslim minority is the
> first victim. Nothing can save them from the menace of the police than power
> of knowledge – knowledge of rights, both fundamental and civil, knowledge of
> basic criminal law, how law governs police and police station, and right to
> information.
>
> Kudos to Association for Protection of Civil Rights (APCR) these all
> information and much more has been collected in a handbook, necessary for
> every person of the community, more so for human and civil rights activists.
>
> Human & Civil Rights Defender’s Resource Manual, as the title denotes, has
> been prepared for human rights and civil rights activists, creation of the
> nationwide network of whom is the prime concern the APCR has set for itself.
>
> Born in 2006, this non-profit and non-governmental civil rights’ group is
> aimed at defending the rights of the underprivileged sections of the
> society. And for this, it has set out to train and create a network of
> paralegal workers at all India level. “APCR is a civil rights’ group
> comprised of advocates, social activists and grassroots legal social workers
> dedicated to using the legal system to protect and advance civil and human
> rights in India,” reads introduction of the group on the back cover page of
> the handbook.
>
> The 122-page guidebook, launched recently by APCR President and renowned
> lawyer Yousuf Hatim Muchhala, and Director of APCR’s Training Division, Dr.
> Shakeel Ahmed in Ahmedabad at the end of 3rd General Body Meeting of the
> organization, is divided in five parts – each dealing with different but
> interrelated issue.
>
> Part One talks about Constitution, Fundamental Rights, Indian Judicial
> System and Court Structure. Part Two titled Criminal Law and Procedural
> Framework in India discusses various issues like criminal law, burden of
> proof and FIR. The chapter gives much focus on issues related to FIR like
> objective of FIR, who can lodge it, who can write it and essentials of FIR.
> While Part Three is devoted to Right to Information the Part Four talks
> about National Human Rights Commission, National and state commission of
> minorities, National Commission of Women and National Commission for
> Protection of Child Rights. The chapter not merely gives information about
> these government bodies but how they can be approached and used for our
> protection of rights. The last Part Five deals with how to file complaints
> in the Press Council of India.
>
> The guidebook is being translated into Urdu and Hindi to widen its reach.
>
> The guidebook, priced at Rs 100, can be had from APCR office at:
> 108, 3rd Floor, Pocket I, Near Living Style Mall, Jasola, New Delhi-25
> Phone- 011-29945999
>
> --
> MD. MAHTAB ALAM
> mdmahtaba...@gmail.com
> Phone:+ 91-9811209345
>
> --
> MD. MAHTAB ALAM
> mdmahtaba...@gmail.com
> Phone:+ 91-9811209345
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[GreenYouth] Fwd: Lalgarh and the Radicalisation of Resistance: From 'Ordinary Civilians' to Political Subjects?

[Anivar Aravind]

-- Forwarded message --
From: sandy bajeli 
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:48:12 +0530
Subject: Lalgarh and the Radicalisation of Resistance: From 'Ordinary
Civilians' to Political Subjects?
To: Free Binayak Sen 

Lalgarh and the Radicalisation of Resistance: From 'Ordinary Civilians' to
Political Subjects?
by Saroj Giri

One image stands out from the Lalgarh resistance.  Chattradhar Mahato, the
most visible leader of the People's Committee Against Police Atrocities
(PCAPA), distributing food to ordinary villagers -- not as a high-up leader
doing charity but as one among them.  Is this the 'new' image of the
Maoist?  But maybe Mahato is not a Maoist -- he himself denies being one.
But if he is not, given his power and influence in the area, the
'dictatorial' Maoists must have eliminated him by now?  Then maybe he is
only being used by them, following their 'diktat' out of fear.  But a man
with the kind of popularity and love from the masses would fear the
Maoists?  So, is he a Maoist, or *like a* Maoist, after all?  But a Maoist
who is this popular among the masses and who does not seem to terrorise
them?

These questions are tricky, almost baffling to many.  For the resistance in
Lalgarh is a unique experiment, not following any formulaic path or given
script.  The Lalgarh resistance not only rattled local power relations and
state forces but also challenged accepted ideas and practices of resistance
movements, their internal constitution, and above all opened up radical
possibilities for the initiative of the masses -- partly symbolized in the
unscripted image and contested political identity of Mahato and indeed of
the PCAPA vis-à-vis Maoists.  Crucially, Lalgarh undermines conventional
ideas about the relationship between 'peaceful' and 'violent' forms of
struggle and inaugurates possibilities of resistance unfettered by given
notions of political subjectivity or by subservience to the 'rule of law'.

Lalgarh defied the long-standing shackles on social movements in the country
that would ultimately restrict their forms of struggle within the confines
given by the lines of command emanating from the Indian state's monopoly
over violence.  Lalgarh showed that, when the democratic struggle of the
masses runs into conflict with the repressive apparatus of the state which
has lost all democratic legitimacy, the struggle assumes the form of a
violent mass movement.  This violent action, being the expression of
heightened mass democratic struggle, bringing down structures that anyway
have lost all basis, is in every sense a political struggle, an armed
struggle if you like, but has nothing to do with a so-called 'conflict
situation' where ordinary civilians are shown as only trapped and suffering.

Take the violent
Dharampur<
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/4-killed-9-missing-in-Lalgarh-turf-battle/articleshow/4656772.cms
>mass
action of June 19, an event many on the left and right decried as a
Maoist take-over and an end to the democratic struggle.  When this action
triggered an offensive by security forces to 'reclaim' the area, did the
situation turn into a conflict zone between the state and the armed Maoists,
with 'ordinary civilians' trapped and waiting for outside aid?  This then is
the crucial point: Lalgarh refused to lend itself to the usual narrative
which presents every armed struggle into a depoliticized 'conflict
situation' with images of suffering women and children waiting for the
international community and NGO aid workers to come and save them.

The image of the 'ordinary civilian' here was not one of 'refusing to take
sides' and rushing to grab the first bit of relief supplies, but one
exemplified by someone like Malati.  Clearly showing where her political
sympathies lay, Malati stayed on in the PCAPA-run camp and refused the
administration's medical help as she gave birth to a baby -- the ambulance
waiting for her went back empty (*The Statesman*, Kolkata, June 30, 2009).
 Malati's 'humanitarian needs' were fulfilled by the very struggle which
carried out the 'violent mass action' -- no space for NGOs and the welfarist
state, exemplifying the autonomous character of the resistance.  What
happened was not just that 'ordinary civilians' and adivasis supported the
Maoists; the very image of a Maoist underwent a change so that anybody,
including women and children, could be a Maoist.

*'Ordinary Civilians', Maoists*

The question then: do ordinary civilians stand opposed to and separate from
the Maoists?  This point becomes pertinent from another angle.  Large
sections of democratic forces in the country opposing the security-centric
solution to the upsurge in Lalgarh proclaim the need to always separate the
ordinary villagers/adivasis from the Maoists.  The chief minister, Buddhadev
Bhattacharya, is attacked for conflating the two and using the 'bogey of
Maoists' to victimize ordinary civilians and crush the democratic struggle
of the masses.

Lalgarh thus throws severa

[GreenYouth] Fwd: " We must fight to change history"- Mumia Abu -Jamal addressing Socialism 2009 Conference in Chicago, hosted by Campaign to End the Death Penalty

[Venugopalan K M]

We must fight to change history

July 7, 2009

Mumia Abu-Jamal is one of America's most famous political prisoners. Falsely
convicted of shooting Philadelphia police officer Daniel Faulkner and
sentenced to death in 1982, Mumia's trial was notoriously corrupt--with
prosecutors keeping Blacks offthe jury and judge Albert Sabo overheard
commenting that he was "going to help 'em fry the nigger."

Since his conviction, Mumia, a former Black Panther and journalist, has
tirelessly spoken out from behind bars as a "voice for the voiceless," even
as he has fought for his own freedom.

He delivered the following remarks via speakerphone to a meeting at the
recent Socialism 2009 conference in Chicago--the session was hosted by
the Campaign
to End the Death Penalty .

[image: Protesting in support of Mumia Abu-Jamal in San Francisco (Danny
Howard)]Protesting in support of Mumia Abu-Jamal in San Francisco (Danny
Howard)

WE'RE ALL alive at an amazing hour in American and world history. Like many
of our grandparents--in my case, my parents--we're living an age of truly
momentous economic upheaval, when temples we once thought were impervious to
the passage of time are crumbling before our eyes. When I speak of temples,
I speak not of religion, but of wealth and corporate power.

Why is this relevant to a group of abolitionists like you all? Because as
industry slows, as unemployment rises, as tax bases dwindle into dust,
states begin looking into expenditures, and the death penalty fails, if not
on moral grounds, than on the basis of economics. It costs too much.

The governors of quite a few states did simple cost-benefit analyses, and
reasoned that housing costs, staffing costs as well as trial and appellate
costs, are simply too much for cash-strapped states to bear.

It's racist, yes. But they can afford that. Is it unjust? Yes, but they can
afford that. Does it violate the Constitution and international law? Yes,
but they've tolerated such violations for decades. In a capitalist state, it
comes down to money.

Does that mean don't organize? No. Does mean people can just wait? No. As
socialists and other radicals have learned anything, it's that nothing is
inevitable.

Marx said, "History does nothing. It 'possesses *no* immense wealth,' it
'wages *no* battles.' It is, rather, *man*, real living man who does all
that, who posses and fights." Today, feminists would rush to edit his words
to include women, and they would be right. Men and women. And youngsters and
abolitionists must struggle and fight to change lives and history.

That's part of what you're doing today. What is broken either must be fixed
or replaced. Who can deny that the system is broken today? Will it be fixed
or replaced? That's for you to decide, that's for all of us to decide.

I thank you all. Ona move, long live John Africa, long live revolution.






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[GreenYouth] Why Ramachadra Guha should apologise? (a must read)

[Ranjit Ranjit]

Pandit Ramchandra Guha and the post of Mysore University
Vice-Chancellor - I

*This article is in two parts*

*http://blog.insightyv.com/
*

Just last night, while browsing through emails, I stumbled upon an article,
forwarded in one of the e-groups, titled ‘Is Brahminical Elitism at Work in
Academic 
Institutions?’
written by India’s foremost historian and former academic Ramchandra Guha.

Since I want to be an academician, and have been working on the issues of
caste in academia with the students and academicians from various
universities, I read on further.

Ramchandra Guha wrote this piece in the context of one news item that was
published in one of the national dailies regarding short listing of three
candidates for the post of Vice-Chancellor of Mysore University. The three
short listed candidates, according to the news item, quoting unnamed
sources, belong to Lingayat, SC and Vokkaliga communities.

It seems that this particular fact about the caste backgrounds of three
candidates troubled our national historian so much that he criticized the
daily for not including their academic qualifications and eligibility in the
news item.

He writes, “The report mentioned the names of the short listed candidates,
from which one could discern their respective caste affiliations.
Remarkably, the news report did not carry any details on the qualifications
of those who aspired to be the new vice-chancellor of Mysore University.”

He asks further, “What were their areas of academic expertise? What were
their plans for reviving a once-good university now gone to seed?
Apparently, these matters did not matter to the newspaper, as they did not
to the government that was to make the appointment. Perhaps, they were of no
concern to the candidates themselves.”

These are very valid questions from a person who is a former academician and
claims to be concerned about the quality of our education system. However,
the point is whether Mr. Guha would have asked the same questions if the
candidates short listed were from the brahmin, bania and kayastha
communities?

Whether the news item would have then mentioned their caste background too?

I doubt it. I have not come across any such thing till now. The reason is,
like Ramchandra Guha, the media also believes that only persons from certain
backgrounds are meritorious and therefore eligible but others are only
appointed due to the ‘vote bank politics’. For some caste is invisibilised
but for others caste is the only truth.

It is even unthinkable for Guha that these candidates might have been short
listed on the basis of their academic qualification. Since there was no
candidate from the traditional ‘upper’ caste elite background, Guha was sure
that the academic qualifications were compromised in preparing the list.
Otherwise he would have not chosen this particular news item as a context to
cry hoarsely about the political influence and the deteriorating situation
of Indian Universities.

I am amused that Ramchandra Guha is critical about this news item for not
giving the details about the candidates’ qualifications for the post.
However, the fact is that both the national daily and Mr. Guha are exactly
on the same wavelength.

The daily, in fact, is asking the same questions by mentioning their caste
background in the report and thus making sure that the readers get the fair
idea of their ‘qualifications’. Otherwise what was the need of the news
daily to investigate and then reveal the caste identity of the candidates?
Certainly the official press-note would not have carried the information
regarding the candidates’ background.

After casting aspersions on the qualifications of the Mysore university
candidates, Mr Guha then tries to obfuscate the whole issue by pointing his
fingers at every body-left, right and centre of compromising the academic
environment of the country. The rest of his piece is a brilliant exposition
of brahminical double speak, attempts for political correctness and complete
distrust on the political class that has now become a rage among upper
caste-middle class section as it gives a blank cheque not to introspect but
put entire blame on others, especially politicians.

Let me go one by one on what Guha wrote and what he actually meant.

At first, apart from all other things that Guha wrote ,trying to justify his
diatribe against the University appointments from non-upper caste
background, one particular nugget of wisdom doled by him, really made my
day. It gives us a clear-cut idea about his objectivity in relation with
brahminical culture and traditions as well.

Criticizing the Indian Left too for involving in ideological biases in
appointments, he writes and I quote, “When the Left Front was in power in
Kerala, a historian of modern India was appointed vice-chancellor of, all
things, a Sanskrit unive

[GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Lalgarh and the Radicalisation of Resistance: From 'Ordinary Civilians' to Political Subjects?

[Sukla Sen]

"Radicalisation" or "Suicidisation"!?

Seven month long massive resistance struggle crumbled in less than seven
days.

What obscene stupidity packaged as radicalism!
For  a detailed account, look up 'A Brief Note on Lalgarh (West Bengal,
India) and Implications of Maoist Role' at:
http://www.marxmail.org/msg64354.html

Also: thefishpond.in/
*satya*/2009/*manmohan*-and-the-*maoists*/

Sukla



On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Anivar Aravind
wrote:

>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: sandy bajeli 
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:48:12 +0530
> Subject: Lalgarh and the Radicalisation of Resistance: From 'Ordinary
> Civilians' to Political Subjects?
> To: Free Binayak Sen 
>
> Lalgarh and the Radicalisation of Resistance: From 'Ordinary Civilians' to
> Political Subjects?
> by Saroj Giri
>
> One image stands out from the Lalgarh resistance.  Chattradhar Mahato, the
> most visible leader of the People's Committee Against Police Atrocities
> (PCAPA), distributing food to ordinary villagers -- not as a high-up leader
> doing charity but as one among them.  Is this the 'new' image of the
> Maoist?  But maybe Mahato is not a Maoist -- he himself denies being one.
> But if he is not, given his power and influence in the area, the
> 'dictatorial' Maoists must have eliminated him by now?  Then maybe he is
> only being used by them, following their 'diktat' out of fear.  But a man
> with the kind of popularity and love from the masses would fear the
> Maoists?  So, is he a Maoist, or *like a* Maoist, after all?  But a Maoist
> who is this popular among the masses and who does not seem to terrorise
> them?
>
> These questions are tricky, almost baffling to many.  For the resistance in
> Lalgarh is a unique experiment, not following any formulaic path or given
> script.  The Lalgarh resistance not only rattled local power relations and
> state forces but also challenged accepted ideas and practices of resistance
> movements, their internal constitution, and above all opened up radical
> possibilities for the initiative of the masses -- partly symbolized in the
> unscripted image and contested political identity of Mahato and indeed of
> the PCAPA vis-à-vis Maoists.  Crucially, Lalgarh undermines conventional
> ideas about the relationship between 'peaceful' and 'violent' forms of
> struggle and inaugurates possibilities of resistance unfettered by given
> notions of political subjectivity or by subservience to the 'rule of law'.
>
> Lalgarh defied the long-standing shackles on social movements in the
> country
> that would ultimately restrict their forms of struggle within the confines
> given by the lines of command emanating from the Indian state's monopoly
> over violence.  Lalgarh showed that, when the democratic struggle of the
> masses runs into conflict with the repressive apparatus of the state which
> has lost all democratic legitimacy, the struggle assumes the form of a
> violent mass movement.  This violent action, being the expression of
> heightened mass democratic struggle, bringing down structures that anyway
> have lost all basis, is in every sense a political struggle, an armed
> struggle if you like, but has nothing to do with a so-called 'conflict
> situation' where ordinary civilians are shown as only trapped and
> suffering.
>
> Take the violent
> Dharampur<
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/4-killed-9-missing-in-Lalgarh-turf-battle/articleshow/4656772.cms
> >mass
> action of June 19, an event many on the left and right decried as a
> Maoist take-over and an end to the democratic struggle.  When this action
> triggered an offensive by security forces to 'reclaim' the area, did the
> situation turn into a conflict zone between the state and the armed
> Maoists,
> with 'ordinary civilians' trapped and waiting for outside aid?  This then
> is
> the crucial point: Lalgarh refused to lend itself to the usual narrative
> which presents every armed struggle into a depoliticized 'conflict
> situation' with images of suffering women and children waiting for the
> international community and NGO aid workers to come and save them.
>
> The image of the 'ordinary civilian' here was not one of 'refusing to take
> sides' and rushing to grab the first bit of relief supplies, but one
> exemplified by someone like Malati.  Clearly showing where her political
> sympathies lay, Malati stayed on in the PCAPA-run camp and refused the
> administration's medical help as she gave birth to a baby -- the ambulance
> waiting for her went back empty (*The Statesman*, Kolkata, June 30, 2009).
>  Malati's 'humanitarian needs' were fulfilled by the very struggle which
> carried out the 'violent mass action' -- no space for NGOs and the
> welfarist
> state, exemplifying the autonomous character of the resistance.  What
> happened was not just that 'ordinary civilians' and adivasis supported the
> Maoists; the very image of a Maoist underwent a change so t

[GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Deshabhimani aadine pattiyakkumbol

[mohanan MS]

ശ്രി അബ്ദുല്‍,
 ബ്രിണ്ടയും  ഞാനുമആയിട്ടല്ല ചര്‍ച്ച നടന്നത്. ഈ ഗ്രൂപ്പില്‍ അവര്‍
അംഗവുമല്ല എന്നിട്ടും ബ്രിണ്ടയോട് ചോദിക്കാന്‍ പറയുന്നത് മോശമാണ്.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:06 AM, ranju radha  wrote:

> @ramanan
> dont u know  that "obnoxious" is the rule when CPI M rule the roost
>
> @ abdul
> u d ask brinda.. she will tell u
>
> 2009/7/9 Ramanan KP 
>
>
>> In Kerala, nobody opposedhomosexuality except left leaders, aloong with
>> some Christian groups. No other party, including the BJP came with any
>> noise. Varkala Radhakrishnan wrote very well that homosexuality is unnatural
>> and there are important reforms to be done than this. Still liberals oppose
>> 'sakhakkal' on everything.
>>
>> Sometimes for political reasons, what is wrong in 'adine pattiyakkal'?
>> Ranjuradha's behaviour is obnoxious. If you want to fight talk about
>> communism and world politics.
>>
>> With revolutionary salutes to the comrades in warfront.
>> Ramanan
>>
>> 2009/7/9 ranju radha 
>>
>>> ethinulla marupadi polit bureauyile pinangarayikalku kodithittundu vangi
>>> vayichu nokkanam
>>> (vayikkanariyamengil !!)
>>>
>>> 2009/7/9 mohanan MS 
>>>
>>> പിണറായിയും കുട്ടി സഖാക്കളും എന്ത് ചെയ്യുന്നു എന്ന് നോക്കി കണ്ണില്‍
 എണ്ണയും ഒഴിച്ച് ഇരിക്കുന്ന ശ്രി. രണ്ഞു രാധേ, താങ്കള്‍ കാണുകയും മുരളുകയും
 മോന്ങുകയും ചെയ്യുന്നതെല്ലാം ശരി. കാരണം സഖാക്കള്‍ എന്ത് ചെയ്യുന്നു ,അതില്‍
 എന്താണ് തെറ്റുള്ളത്, അതിനെക്കുറിച്ച് എന്ത് തരാം തെറികള്‍ പറയാം എന്ന
 ചിന്തയില്‍ മറ്റൊന്നും കാണാന്‍ പറ്റാത്ത അവസ്ഥയായിപ്പോയി താങ്കള്‍ക്ക്.
 കുഴപ്പമില്ല, കുട്ടിസഖാക്കള്‍ ക്ഷമാശീലര്‍ ആയതു കൊണ്ട് ഒന്നും സംഭവിക്കില്ല.
 പിന്നെ, നിരാശയും അസൂയയും kushumbum മൂത്ത ഒരു പിരുപിരുപ്പിന്റെ അവസ്ഥയിലാകും
 കാര്യങ്ങള്‍. ഊണിലും ഉറക്കത്തിലും നടപ്പിലും ഇരുപ്പിലും സഖാക്കളെ ചീത്ത പറഞ്ഞു
 കൊണ്ടേ ഇരിക്കും.  പിന്നെ ആ അവസ്ഥയും കഴിയുമ്പോള്‍ വഴിയില്‍ കാണുന്നവരെ
 മുഴുവന്‍ കൈയേറ്റം ചെയ്യുന്ന അവസ്തയിലെക്കെതും. അപ്പോള്‍ വഴിപോക്കര്‍ താങ്കളെ
 കൈ കാര്യം ചെയ്തോളും. അതോടെ കഥ avasaanikkum


 On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:16 PM, ranju radha wrote:

> athu thannaya pinangarayi kuttisakhakaludeyum kuzhappam chetto
>
> @anivar
> moving the ass from nauseating CPI M comrade gallery
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Abdul Rasheed 
> wrote:
>
>>  *'മഞ്ഞപിത്തം ഉള്ളവന് എല്ലാം മഞ്ഞയായി തോന്നും' *
>> *അത് തന്നെയാണ് തന്റെയും കൊഴപ്പം *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:38 AM, ranju radha wrote:
>>
>>> athe kodiyeriyudeyum M A babydem makkalanallo pennupiduthathil PHD
>>> edutha narikala
>>> CPI M ennal  central pennupidi idiyan mandan party ennano?
>>>
>>>   On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Abdul Rasheed <
>>> rasheed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
  *Pattipidikkanum Pennu pidikkanum ninnolam parchayamullavar
 vereyilla - BJP-kkarum, Congress-kaarum chernnu ethokke sagakkale
 padippikkan kurachu naalayi sremikkunnu. *
 **
 *Ee thozhil ningalkee cherooo - Good luck *
 **
 *Rasheed *
 **



  On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:03 PM, ranju radha 
 wrote:

>  deshabhimanamulla pinangarayikal kureyippozhum kerala nattil
> jeevichirippundo?
> njan vicharichu avarellam thamas issac enna mara rogam pidichu
> marichu poyennu
>
> nallathu thanne
> desabhimanikku pattipitithavum thudangaini.. paniyillathe
> pinangrayiyum koottarum undallo?
> kottinu penvanibha sakhakkalum 
>
>  On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:15 PM, mohanan MS 
> wrote:
>
>>  എല്ലാവരും ദയവായി ഈ ലിങ്ക് ഒന്ന് നോക്കണേ, എന്നിട്ട് എല്ലാ
>> സുഹൃത്തുക്കളും ഒന്ന് പ്രതികരിക്കൂ ദേശാഭിമാനിയെ ഹിമ്സിച്ചപോലെ
>>
>>
>> http://mail.google.com/mail/?zx=58fkp8ksys42&shva=1#inbox
>>  On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:59 PM, bobinson wrote:
>>
>>> btw on a different topic is there a pettikkada or tea shop in
>>> kerala where we can get some dog meat ? haven't tried that yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> M.S.Mohanan
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> " The so called caste-hindus are bitterly opposed to the depressed
>> class using a public tank not because they really believe that the 
>> water
>> will be thereby spoiled or will evaporate but because they are 
>> afraid of
>> losing their superiority of caste and of equality being established 
>> between
>> the former and the latter. We are resorting to this satyagraha not 
>> becasue
>> we believe that the water of this particular tank has any exceptional
>> qualities, but to establish our natural rights as citizens and human
>> beings."
>>
>> - Dr B.R. Ambedkar, Mahad Satyagraha Conference, December

[GreenYouth] Re: Who the hell is Varkala Radhakrishnan?

[mohanan MS]

 Dear Sebin Sir,
 Can you make a link in the group of Varkala"s writing.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Sebin Jacob  wrote:

>
>
> 2009/7/9 Ramanan KP 
>
>>
>> In Kerala, nobody opposedhomosexuality except left leaders, aloong with
>> some Christian groups. No other party, including the BJP came with any
>> noise. Varkala Radhakrishnan wrote very well that homosexuality is unnatural
>> and there are important reforms to be done than this. Still liberals oppose
>> 'sakhakkal' on everything.
>>
>
>
> That's a public shame. How come Varkala Radhakrishnan take such a stand?
> What is his right to speak in behalf of a party/movement is such a subject?
> If it is his personal stand, I would only be sorry for him. But to extend it
> as the stand of the left is nasty. Those who have a little time and
> patience, do read Dr. Suraj's post on this:
>
> സ്വവര്‍ഗലൈംഗികതയുടെ ശാസ്ത്രം
>
> 
> http://medicineatboolokam.blogspot.com/2009/07/science-behind-homosexuality.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Understanding is a three-edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth
>
> >
>


-- 
M.S.Mohanan

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[GreenYouth] Re: Who the hell is Varkala Radhakrishnan?

[Sebin Jacob]

Dear Mohanan,
Sorry, I didn't find any online.

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[GreenYouth] Fwd: [sftindia] Update:Unrest In East Turkestan

[Sukla Sen]

From: 
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Subject: [sftindia] Update:Unrest In East Turkestan
To: sftin...@lists.riseup.net


Update:Unrest In East Turkestan

Armed Chinese troops have flooded Urumchi, the capital of East
Turkestan (Chinese: Xinjiang) following days of violent unrest.
The situation remains incredibly tense and Chinese president Hu
Jintao has vowed to "restore order" and "severely punish" those
involved in the unrest, after he was rushed back to China
yesterday from the G-8 meeting in Italy.

We fear that, as in Tibet last year, China's efforts to "restore
order" will result in a prolonged military crackdown against the
Uyghurs. Already, Chinese authorities have arrested more than
1,400 Uyghurs, blocked phone lines and the internet, and
launched a propaganda campaign to portray the Uyghurs as the
sole perpetrators of the violence.

Sign a petition calling on the Chinese authorities to stop the
crackdown on the Uyghur people and to allow an independent
investigation into the situation in Urumchi:
http://actionnetwork.org/campaign/uyghurs

On Sunday, thousands of Uyghurs peacefully marched in the
streets of Urumchi to protest the Chinese authorities' inaction
amid the beating deaths of two Uyghur men at a toy factory in
southern China. Chinese armed police responded to the protest in
Urumchi with a heavy hand, and a riot ensued in which more than
a hundred people were reportedly killed. Armed Chinese citizens
have since taken to the streets to seek revenge, escalating the
violence and chaos.

To avoid the negative international news coverage that followed
the media blackout in Tibet last year, Chinese officials have
allowed foreign journalists into Urumchi but have tried to
tightly control their movement and censor their coverage.
Despite these efforts, on Tuesday hundreds of Uyghur women and
children burst into the streets in front of the journalists,
weeping and pleading for the release of those detained. Watch
the moving footage:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/jul/07/uighur-confront-china-troops

This tragic turn of events clearly shows that China's policies
in East Turkestan, as in Tibet, have been a colossal failure.
Uyghurs have rejected Chinese rule since the invasion of their
homeland in 1949, and continue to struggle for their basic
rights and freedoms. The systematic suppression of the Uyghurs'
religion, culture, and unique identity - as well as the flooding
of East Turkestan with millions of Chinese settlers - have led
to deep-seated resentment and desperation amongst the Uyghur
people.

Instead of admitting its own failure to address the
long-standing grievances of the Uyghur people, the Chinese
government is blaming the violence on exiled Uyghur leader
Rebiya Kadeer, just as it blamed the Dalai Lama for the
widespread protests in Tibet. Rebiya Kadeer has spoken out to
tell the true story of by her people's suffering under Chinese
rule:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124698273174806523.html#articleTabs%3Darticle

Please sign the petition and support her call for an open and
independent inquiry into the unrest and for an end to the
violent suppression of her people.

http://actionnetwork.org/campaign/uyghurs

We will continue to send updates on the unfolding situation in
East Turkestan. For more news and analysis, please visit the SFT
blog: http://blog.studentsforafreetibet.org

In solidarity,

Choeying,Tenchoe,Youndung,Claire,Shibayan and everyone at SFT India

News coverage of the unrest in Urumchi:

China's leaders vow to punish Xinjiang rioters
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/441397/1/.html

Riot police battle protesters as China's Uighur crisis escalates
http://www.studentsforafreetibet.org/article.php?id=2028

Uighur resentment at Beijing's rule
http://www.studentsforafreetibet.org/article.php?id=2021

Toy factory brawl spark for deadly violence in China
http://www.studentsforafreetibet.org/article.php?id=2020

Angry Chinese Mob Turns on ABC Reporter & Crew
http://is.gd/1sdfW

In Latest Upheaval, China Applies New Strategies to Control Flow
of Information
http://www.studentsforafreetibet.org/article.php?id=2026

China: President Should Ease Tension by Acknowledging Grievances
(Human Rights Watch)
http://www.studentsforafreetibet.org/article.php?id=2025

The Real Uighur Story
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124698273174806523.html#articleTabs%3Darticle

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[GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Lalgarh and the Radicalisation of Resistance: From 'Ordinary Civilians' to Political Subjects?

[C.K. Vishwanath]

saroj giri's writing is always like that.
earlier also,south asian maoist politics and its anti-liberal turn is his core 
agenda using zizek's arguments.



--- On Fri, 10/7/09, Sukla Sen  wrote:

> From: Sukla Sen 
> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Lalgarh and the Radicalisation of Resistance:  
> From 'Ordinary Civilians' to Political Subjects?
> To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, 10 July, 2009, 5:04 PM
> "Radicalisation" or
> "Suicidisation"!?
> 
> Seven month long massive resistance struggle crumbled in
> less than seven days.
> 
> 
> What obscene stupidity packaged as
> radicalism!
> For  a
> detailed account, look up 'A Brief
> Note on Lalgarh (West Bengal, India) and Implications of
> Maoist Role' at:http://www.marxmail.org/msg64354.html
> 
> Also: thefishpond.in/satya/2009/manmohan-and-the-maoists/
> 
> Sukla
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM,
> Anivar Aravind 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> 
> From: sandy bajeli 
> 
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:48:12 +0530
> 
> Subject: Lalgarh and the Radicalisation of Resistance: From
> 'Ordinary
> 
> Civilians' to Political Subjects?
> 
> To: Free Binayak Sen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lalgarh and the Radicalisation of Resistance: From
> 'Ordinary Civilians' to
> 
> Political Subjects?
> 
> by Saroj Giri
> 
> 
> 
> One image stands out from the Lalgarh resistance.
>  Chattradhar Mahato, the
> 
> most visible leader of the People's Committee Against
> Police Atrocities
> 
> (PCAPA), distributing food to ordinary villagers -- not as
> a high-up leader
> 
> doing charity but as one among them.  Is this the
> 'new' image of the
> 
> Maoist?  But maybe Mahato is not a Maoist -- he himself
> denies being one.
> 
> But if he is not, given his power and influence in the
> area, the
> 
> 'dictatorial' Maoists must have eliminated him by
> now?  Then maybe he is
> 
> only being used by them, following their 'diktat'
> out of fear.  But a man
> 
> with the kind of popularity and love from the masses would
> fear the
> 
> Maoists?  So, is he a Maoist, or *like a* Maoist, after
> all?  But a Maoist
> 
> who is this popular among the masses and who does not seem
> to terrorise
> 
> them?
> 
> 
> 
> These questions are tricky, almost baffling to many.  For
> the resistance in
> 
> Lalgarh is a unique experiment, not following any formulaic
> path or given
> 
> script.  The Lalgarh resistance not only rattled local
> power relations and
> 
> state forces but also challenged accepted ideas and
> practices of resistance
> 
> movements, their internal constitution, and above all
> opened up radical
> 
> possibilities for the initiative of the masses -- partly
> symbolized in the
> 
> unscripted image and contested political identity of Mahato
> and indeed of
> 
> the PCAPA vis-à-vis Maoists.  Crucially, Lalgarh
> undermines conventional
> 
> ideas about the relationship between 'peaceful' and
> 'violent' forms of
> 
> struggle and inaugurates possibilities of resistance
> unfettered by given
> 
> notions of political subjectivity or by subservience to the
> 'rule of law'.
> 
> 
> 
> Lalgarh defied the long-standing shackles on social
> movements in the country
> 
> that would ultimately restrict their forms of struggle
> within the confines
> 
> given by the lines of command emanating from the Indian
> state's monopoly
> 
> over violence.  Lalgarh showed that, when the democratic
> struggle of the
> 
> masses runs into conflict with the repressive apparatus of
> the state which
> 
> has lost all democratic legitimacy, the struggle assumes
> the form of a
> 
> violent mass movement.  This violent action, being the
> expression of
> 
> heightened mass democratic struggle, bringing down
> structures that anyway
> 
> have lost all basis, is in every sense a political
> struggle, an armed
> 
> struggle if you like, but has nothing to do with a
> so-called 'conflict
> 
> situation' where ordinary civilians are shown as only
> trapped and suffering.
> 
> 
> 
> Take the violent
> 
> Dharampur<
> 
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/4-killed-9-missing-in-Lalgarh-turf-battle/articleshow/4656772.cms
> 
> 
> >mass
> 
> action of June 19, an event many on the left and right
> decried as a
> 
> Maoist take-over and an end to the democratic struggle.
>  When this action
> 
> triggered an offensive by security forces to
> 'reclaim' the area, did the
> 
> situation turn into a conflict zone between the state and
> the armed Maoists,
> 
> with 'ordinary civilians' trapped and waiting for
> outside aid?  This then is
> 
> the crucial point: Lalgarh refused to lend itself to the
> usual narrative
> 
> which presents every armed struggle into a depoliticized
> 'conflict
> 
> situation' with images of suffering women and children
> waiting for the
> 
> international community and NGO aid workers to come and
> save them.
> 
> 
> 
> The image of the 'ordinary civilian' here was not
> one of 'refusing to take
> 
> sides' and rushing to grab the first 

[GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Lalgarh and the Radicalisation of Resistance: From 'Ordinary Civilians' to Political Subjects?

[C.K. Vishwanath]

saroj giri is always writing about the anti-liberal content of maoist 
politics-the hope for future..it challenges the liberal democratic frame work 
to create an alternative society.
whither 
the radicalisation of resistance?

+
--- On Fri, 10/7/09, Sukla Sen  wrote:

> From: Sukla Sen 
> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Lalgarh and the Radicalisation of Resistance:  
> From 'Ordinary Civilians' to Political Subjects?
> To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, 10 July, 2009, 5:04 PM
> "Radicalisation" or
> "Suicidisation"!?
> 
> Seven month long massive resistance struggle crumbled in
> less than seven days.
> 
> 
> What obscene stupidity packaged as
> radicalism!
> For  a
> detailed account, look up 'A Brief
> Note on Lalgarh (West Bengal, India) and Implications of
> Maoist Role' at:http://www.marxmail.org/msg64354.html
> 
> Also: thefishpond.in/satya/2009/manmohan-and-the-maoists/
> 
> Sukla
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM,
> Anivar Aravind 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> 
> From: sandy bajeli 
> 
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:48:12 +0530
> 
> Subject: Lalgarh and the Radicalisation of Resistance: From
> 'Ordinary
> 
> Civilians' to Political Subjects?
> 
> To: Free Binayak Sen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lalgarh and the Radicalisation of Resistance: From
> 'Ordinary Civilians' to
> 
> Political Subjects?
> 
> by Saroj Giri
> 
> 
> 
> One image stands out from the Lalgarh resistance.
>  Chattradhar Mahato, the
> 
> most visible leader of the People's Committee Against
> Police Atrocities
> 
> (PCAPA), distributing food to ordinary villagers -- not as
> a high-up leader
> 
> doing charity but as one among them.  Is this the
> 'new' image of the
> 
> Maoist?  But maybe Mahato is not a Maoist -- he himself
> denies being one.
> 
> But if he is not, given his power and influence in the
> area, the
> 
> 'dictatorial' Maoists must have eliminated him by
> now?  Then maybe he is
> 
> only being used by them, following their 'diktat'
> out of fear.  But a man
> 
> with the kind of popularity and love from the masses would
> fear the
> 
> Maoists?  So, is he a Maoist, or *like a* Maoist, after
> all?  But a Maoist
> 
> who is this popular among the masses and who does not seem
> to terrorise
> 
> them?
> 
> 
> 
> These questions are tricky, almost baffling to many.  For
> the resistance in
> 
> Lalgarh is a unique experiment, not following any formulaic
> path or given
> 
> script.  The Lalgarh resistance not only rattled local
> power relations and
> 
> state forces but also challenged accepted ideas and
> practices of resistance
> 
> movements, their internal constitution, and above all
> opened up radical
> 
> possibilities for the initiative of the masses -- partly
> symbolized in the
> 
> unscripted image and contested political identity of Mahato
> and indeed of
> 
> the PCAPA vis-à-vis Maoists.  Crucially, Lalgarh
> undermines conventional
> 
> ideas about the relationship between 'peaceful' and
> 'violent' forms of
> 
> struggle and inaugurates possibilities of resistance
> unfettered by given
> 
> notions of political subjectivity or by subservience to the
> 'rule of law'.
> 
> 
> 
> Lalgarh defied the long-standing shackles on social
> movements in the country
> 
> that would ultimately restrict their forms of struggle
> within the confines
> 
> given by the lines of command emanating from the Indian
> state's monopoly
> 
> over violence.  Lalgarh showed that, when the democratic
> struggle of the
> 
> masses runs into conflict with the repressive apparatus of
> the state which
> 
> has lost all democratic legitimacy, the struggle assumes
> the form of a
> 
> violent mass movement.  This violent action, being the
> expression of
> 
> heightened mass democratic struggle, bringing down
> structures that anyway
> 
> have lost all basis, is in every sense a political
> struggle, an armed
> 
> struggle if you like, but has nothing to do with a
> so-called 'conflict
> 
> situation' where ordinary civilians are shown as only
> trapped and suffering.
> 
> 
> 
> Take the violent
> 
> Dharampur<
> 
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/4-killed-9-missing-in-Lalgarh-turf-battle/articleshow/4656772.cms
> 
> 
> >mass
> 
> action of June 19, an event many on the left and right
> decried as a
> 
> Maoist take-over and an end to the democratic struggle.
>  When this action
> 
> triggered an offensive by security forces to
> 'reclaim' the area, did the
> 
> situation turn into a conflict zone between the state and
> the armed Maoists,
> 
> with 'ordinary civilians' trapped and waiting for
> outside aid?  This then is
> 
> the crucial point: Lalgarh refused to lend itself to the
> usual narrative
> 
> which presents every armed struggle into a depoliticized
> 'conflict
> 
> situation' with images of suffering women and children
> waiting for the
> 
> international community and NGO aid workers to come and
> save them.
> 
> 
> 
> The image of the 'ordinary civilian' here was

[GreenYouth] Re: Lalgarh and the Radicalisation of Resistance: From 'Ordinary Civilians' to Political Subjects?

[Sukla Sen]

Response from a friend, on another list:Quote
The State uses any excuse/opportunity to aggrandize its repressive power (a
point Sukla has been emphasizing) -- it does not *necessarily* mean that,
even in the state's own internal estimation, the threat to it is necessarily
particularly great.

In a sense, the State *needs* the CPI(Maoist) to justify
its repression/aggression  Likewise, the Maoists *need* the
State's repression to (at least psychologically) self-justify their own
draconian tactics. The State and the Maoists each act as the
other's enabler in this circular relationship.

[Here, the best example is how Saroj Giri is out to brand Chhatradhar Mahato
as a "Maoist" as much as Buddhadeb is .
And the state-sponsored myth - a statistical fraud - that every fourth
Indian district is under Maoist control! . Evidently, even if a corner of a
district is affected the whole district is counted in.
The Maoists, in turn, gloatingly lap it up and drum up as much as possible.
"The Unity of the opposites"! ]

What can break the circle -- in fact, the only thing that can break the
circle -- is the emergence of a genuine and widespread
self-emancipatory mass movement of the toilers ..
Unquote

Most importantly, no words here on the two fundamental fallacies.

One, Lalgarh, or Nandigram, is from the most backward hinterland of India.
No typical Indian village. Hence even its best experience - say from
November 2008 to mid-June 2009 - has a very limited applicability.

Two, how the public embrace of the Lalgarh resistance by the Maoists proved
to be its kiss of death!
*A seven month long massive resistance crumbled in less than seven days!*
Quote
It is worth recalling here a highly fanciful report carried by the Hindustan
Times, the dateline being as recent as June 10 - that is still less than a
month back (and yet lies in another era) - incorporating an interview with a
top-notch Maoist leader operating in that area:
Quote
[Q:] How long can they [the Maoists] defend the area from the might of the
state?

[A:] “I know an action (sic) is perhaps impending,” said Koteswar Rao, or
Kishnaji, the second in command of the Indian Maoists, in an exclusive
interview to the Hindustan Times. “But let them try once.. It will be the
last time they will eye this territory.” (Emphasis added.)
Unquote
[Source: <
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print.aspx?Id=3e7456f2-6c9e-44c1-9b35-3af9ec746d7e
>]

This was just before the campaign of violence launched by the Maoists
sidelining the PCAPA. It started effectively on June 14. The operation of
the Joint Forces commenced on June 18. The Lalgarh Police Station, the
Ground Zero, reoccupied on June 20.
Unquote
*A seven month long massive resistance crumbled in less than seven days!*

*Who's afraid of the Maoists? At least not the Indian state. It only uses it
as a convenient alibi - a manufactured spectre - to crush democratic
resistance.*
That eminently suits both.
That's how Saroj Giri and Buddhadeb both are on the same side to brand
Chhatradhar Mahato as a "Maoist".
"The Unity of the opposites"!

*Not even a pretence of attempt to address the two fundamental fallacies
underlined.*
*The deafening silence is only too eloquent.*

Sukla


On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 4:02 AM, sandy bajeli  wrote:

>
>
> (It seems the specter of Naxalism is haunting  the ruling establishment
> (from the official left to the right) to such a magnitude that they have
> increased the budget of internal (their security) by unimaginable 33% , see
> the article,( Lalgarh effect on security kitty, The Telelgraph). It is
> perhaps the fear of an increasingly real scenario in the future when the
> increasingly politicized and organized masses will rise up in total defiance
> of the armed machinery of  the state. For the ruling class the threat that
> appears in the form of Maoists is apparently real and palpable. Today there
> is one Lagarh tomorrow there could be many. So in a bid to “*force
> 'ordinary villagers' to restrict their democratic struggle and practices
> within the limits set by the state and its agencies, by the limits of
> parliamentary democracy, the state wants to target Maoists*”(Saroj Giri)
> UAPA is the name of the perfect weapon in thier hands. So anyone who
> “helps”, stay in “touch” or “campaign” for the dreaded terrorist, the
> Maoists might be charged for abettment of terrorism (or even liable to be
> killed in a fake encounters by the outlaws in Khaki). But what is gravely
> problematic is how the state will ever going to define and make a clear cut
> distinction between “helping”, staying in “touch” or “campaigning” in order
> to make a case against such Naxal supporters. It is so blurred and elastic
> and so wide in its scope and reach that  it is terrifying. In the hands of
> the real and more powerful terrorist, which is the state it is becomes an
> awesome weapon to put all the dissentors in the jail in the name of fighting
> Naxalism. It appears that the crisis ridden ruling cl

[GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Deshabhimani aadine pattiyakkumbol

[mohanan MS]

വര്കല രാധാക്ര്ഷ്ണന്‍ എന്തോ വ്യക്തി പരമായി പറഞ്ഞതിന് സി പി എമിന് നേരെ
എന്തിനാണ് കുതിര കയറുന്നത്? മത പുരോഹിതന്മാര്‍ ഇതിനെ എതിര്തല്ലോ, എന്ത്
കൊണ്ടാണ് അവര്കെതിരെ റിഞ്ഞു രാധ വായ തുറക്കാത്തത്. വര്കല പറഞ്ഞത് സി പി എമിന്റെ
ഔദ്യോഗിക അഭിപ്രായമാല്ലെന്നു രേഞ്ഞുവിനു തന്നെ അറിയാമല്ലോ, അപ്പോള്‍ സി പി
എമിന് നേരെ കുതിര കയറാനുള്ള ഉല്‍സാഹം പുരോഹിതര്‍ക്ക് നേരെ കാണിക്കാത്തത്
എന്താണ്?
അപ്പോള്‍ പൊട്ടകിണര്‍ പുറത്തു വരുന്നത് ഞങ്ങള്‍ കാണുന്നു.ഇനി
പുരോഹിതര്‍ മാത്രമല്ല വേറെയും ആളുകള്‍ എതിര്‍ത്ത് പറഞ്ഞിട്ടുണ്ടല്ലോ, അവരെ
പോലും പ്രതി സ്ടാനത് നിര്‍ത്താന്‍ താങ്കള്‍ തയ്യാറല്ല.

2009/7/10 ranju radha 

> look at poor ramanan and his "pottakinar"
> come out man.. world has changed
> dont be an idiotic varkala radhakrishnan
> this homophbic and moribunding communism cannot survive this century
> try ur level best to come our of this CPI M pottakinar
>
> lal, green, blue,  and yellow salams
> best
>
> 2009/7/10 mohanan MS 
>
> കൊടിയേരിയുടേയും എം.എ. ബേബിയുടെയും മക്കള്‍ കമ്മുനിസ്ടുകാര്‍ ആണെന്ന് എനിക്ക്
>> തോന്നുന്നില്ല.അവര്‍ പാര്‍ടി പ്രവര്‍ത്തകരോ പറ്റി മേംബെര്മാരോ അല്ല.
>> പിന്നെന്തിനാണ് ആവശ്യമില്ലാത്ത കാര്യങ്ങളില്‍ അവരെ വലിച്ചിഴക്കുന്നത്? നമ്മള്‍
>> ദേശാഭിമാനിയിലെ വാര്തയെക്കുരിച്ചാണ് ചര്‍ച്ച ചെയ്യുന്നത്. ആ വാര്‍ത്ത വന്നതില്‍
>> മന്ത്രി പുട്രന്മാര്ക് എന്തെങ്കിലും പങ്കുള്ളതായി ആരും പറയുന്നില്ല. എത്രയും
>> കാര്യങ്ങള്‍ പറഞ്ഞിട്ടും ആരും രണ്ഞു രവിയുടെ മക്കളെക്കുറിച്ച് പറഞ്ഞില്ലല്ലോ?
>> പിന്നെതിനാണ് ആവശ്യമില്ലാത്ത കാര്യങ്ങള്‍ പറഞ്ഞു സ്വന്തം സംസ്കാരം നാട്ടുകാരുടെ
>> മുന്നില്‍ കാണിക്കുന്നത്. പിന്നെ പോളിറ്റ്ബ്യൂറോ എന്തോ പറഞ്ഞെന്നു പറഞ്ഞല്ലോ?
>> ഇതു പോളിറ്റ്ബ്യൂറോ ആണ് അത്. പോളിറ്റ്ബ്യൂറോ എന്ന് പറഞ്ഞാല്‍ ഞങ്ങള്‍
>> ഉദ്ദേശിക്കുന്നത് സി പി എമിന്റെ പോളിറ്റ്ബ്യൂറോ ആണ്,അല്ലാതെ രണ്ഞു രാധയുടെ
>> പൊയത്ബുരോ അല്ല, രണ്ഞു രാധയുടെ പോളിത്ബുരോയില്‍ എന്ത് ചര്‍ച്ച വേണമെങ്കിലും
>> നടത്തം ആരും ചോദിക്കില്ല,മന്ത്രി മക്കലെയല്ല മന്ത്രിമാരേയോ അല്ലെങ്കില്‍
>> പിനരായിയെതന്നെ പെണ്‍vaanibhakkaaran ആക്കാം, ആരും ചോദിക്കില്ല, പ്രസ്‌ നോട്ട്
>> ഇറക്കാതിരുന്നാല്‍ മതി.
>>
>> 2009/7/9 ranju radha 
>>
>> ethinulla marupadi polit bureauyile pinangarayikalku kodithittundu vangi
>>> vayichu nokkanam
>>> (vayikkanariyamengil !!)
>>>
>>> 2009/7/9 mohanan MS 
>>>
>>> പിണറായിയും കുട്ടി സഖാക്കളും എന്ത് ചെയ്യുന്നു എന്ന് നോക്കി കണ്ണില്‍
 എണ്ണയും ഒഴിച്ച് ഇരിക്കുന്ന ശ്രി. രണ്ഞു രാധേ, താങ്കള്‍ കാണുകയും മുരളുകയും
 മോന്ങുകയും ചെയ്യുന്നതെല്ലാം ശരി. കാരണം സഖാക്കള്‍ എന്ത് ചെയ്യുന്നു ,അതില്‍
 എന്താണ് തെറ്റുള്ളത്, അതിനെക്കുറിച്ച് എന്ത് തരാം തെറികള്‍ പറയാം എന്ന
 ചിന്തയില്‍ മറ്റൊന്നും കാണാന്‍ പറ്റാത്ത അവസ്ഥയായിപ്പോയി താങ്കള്‍ക്ക്.
 കുഴപ്പമില്ല, കുട്ടിസഖാക്കള്‍ ക്ഷമാശീലര്‍ ആയതു കൊണ്ട് ഒന്നും സംഭവിക്കില്ല.
 പിന്നെ, നിരാശയും അസൂയയും kushumbum മൂത്ത ഒരു പിരുപിരുപ്പിന്റെ അവസ്ഥയിലാകും
 കാര്യങ്ങള്‍. ഊണിലും ഉറക്കത്തിലും നടപ്പിലും ഇരുപ്പിലും സഖാക്കളെ ചീത്ത പറഞ്ഞു
 കൊണ്ടേ ഇരിക്കും.  പിന്നെ ആ അവസ്ഥയും കഴിയുമ്പോള്‍ വഴിയില്‍ കാണുന്നവരെ
 മുഴുവന്‍ കൈയേറ്റം ചെയ്യുന്ന അവസ്തയിലെക്കെതും. അപ്പോള്‍ വഴിപോക്കര്‍ താങ്കളെ
 കൈ കാര്യം ചെയ്തോളും. അതോടെ കഥ avasaanikkum


 On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:16 PM, ranju radha wrote:

> athu thannaya pinangarayi kuttisakhakaludeyum kuzhappam chetto
>
> @anivar
> moving the ass from nauseating CPI M comrade gallery
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Abdul Rasheed 
> wrote:
>
>> *'മഞ്ഞപിത്തം ഉള്ളവന് എല്ലാം മഞ്ഞയായി തോന്നും' *
>> *അത് തന്നെയാണ് തന്റെയും കൊഴപ്പം *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:38 AM, ranju radha wrote:
>>
>>> athe kodiyeriyudeyum M A babydem makkalanallo pennupiduthathil PHD
>>> edutha narikala
>>> CPI M ennal  central pennupidi idiyan mandan party ennano?
>>>
>>>   On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Abdul Rasheed <
>>> rasheed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
  *Pattipidikkanum Pennu pidikkanum ninnolam parchayamullavar
 vereyilla - BJP-kkarum, Congress-kaarum chernnu ethokke sagakkale
 padippikkan kurachu naalayi sremikkunnu. *
 **
 *Ee thozhil ningalkee cherooo - Good luck *
 **
 *Rasheed *
 **



  On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:03 PM, ranju radha 
 wrote:

>  deshabhimanamulla pinangarayikal kureyippozhum kerala nattil
> jeevichirippundo?
> njan vicharichu avarellam thamas issac enna mara rogam pidichu
> marichu poyennu
>
> nallathu thanne
> desabhimanikku pattipitithavum thudangaini.. paniyillathe
> pinangrayiyum koottarum undallo?
> kottinu penvanibha sakhakkalum 
>
>  On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:15 PM, mohanan MS 
> wrote:
>
>>  എല്ലാവരും ദയവായി ഈ ലിങ്ക് ഒന്ന് നോക്കണേ, എന്നിട്ട് എല്ലാ
>> സുഹൃത്തുക്കളും ഒന്ന് പ്രതികരിക്കൂ ദേശാഭിമാനിയെ ഹിമ്സിച്ചപോലെ
>>
>>
>> http://mail.google.com/mail/?zx=58fkp8ksys42&shva=1#inbox
>>  On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:59 PM, bobinson wrote:
>>
>>> btw on a different topic is there a pett

[GreenYouth] The Lament of an Indian Nuclear Nationalist: Siddharth Varadarajan Grunts

[Sukla Sen]

South Asians Against Nukes - Year 11
July 9, 2009

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SAAN_/message/1282



[What good is a ban if India’s ability to purchase nuclear fuel and reactors
from the G8 or NSG countries is not affected? So what is this noise about?
HK]

o o o

The Hindu, July 11, 2009

G8 blocks ‘full’ nuclear trade with India

by Siddharth Varadarajan

Adopts rules making fuel cycle transfers conditional on NPT

New Delhi: Less than a year after the Nuclear Suppliers Group waived its
export rules to allow the sale of nuclear equipment, fuel and technology to
India, the United States has persuaded the G8 to ban the transfer of
enrichment and reprocessing (ENR) items to countries which have not signed
the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, including India.

The move, which effectively negates the promise of “full” civil nuclear
cooperation lying at the heart of the 2005 India-U.S. nuclear agreement,
took the Indian establishment by surprise with officials unaware that the G8
was even adopting such a measure at L’Aquila, Italy. That this was done at a
summit in which Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was an invited guest is likely
to add insult to injury when the full implications of the latest decision
fully sink in.

The ban, buried deep within a separate G8 statement on non-proliferation,
commits the eight countries to implement on a “national basis” the “useful
and constructive proposals” on ways of strengthening controls on ENR items
and technology “contained in the NSG’s ‘clean text’ developed at the 20
November 2008 Consultative Group meeting.”

Minimum criteria

Though the “clean text” is not a public document, a senior diplomat from a
G8 country confirmed to The Hindu that the eight countries had agreed to
certain minimum criteria — including adherence to the main instruments of
nonproliferation — as a condition for the sale of equipment and technology
destined for safeguarded ENR activities in a recipient country.

In the run-up to the final NSG plenary on India last September, Washington
sought to get New Delhi to agree that the nuclear cartel’s rule waiver would
not cover ENR transfers. But with the Indian side sticking to its guns, the
NSG finally agreed to a clean exemption allowing nuclear exports of all
kinds, including sensitive fuel-cycle-related items and technologies,
provided they were under safeguards.

Under pressure from the Bush administration, the NSG subsequently debated
new ENR rules last November but failed to evolve a consensus because of
opposition from countries like Brazil, Canada and Spain to restrictions that
would go beyond what the NPT itself provided for.

With consensus proving elusive during the recent June meeting of the
45-nation club, the Obama administration decided to decouple the question of
ENR sales to India from the NSG process — something the latest G8 agreement
on interim implementation of a national-level ban effectively does.

India’s ability to purchase nuclear fuel and reactors from the G8 or NSG
countries will be unaffected by the latest ban. Unless, of course, the new
decision becomes the trigger for attempts to further dilute or qualify the
core bargain contained in the ‘India exception’ last year.



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[GreenYouth] On the HC Verdict and Sec 377, IPC - A post by Inder Salim( Fwded from a Discussion elsewhere)

[Venugopalan K M]

I sometimes dont believe in ' facts' which is my 'artistic choice' and
one of them is the fact that majority of Indians dont agree to recent
HC verdict which downplayed the contents of Article 377 regarding
Homosexuality.  I dont care about such a mojority, if it shallowly and
violently opposes the freedom to exprience alternative sexuality in
our society

We are made to beleive that the Mojority of Indians ( Hindus, Sikhs,
Christian and Muslims )  are against the High Court Order '
decriminalizing' Homosexulaity, which is a far cry from  legalizing
it. I have rarely seen these religous leaders(mukhotas)  taking a
collective stand against communal violnece, or any other kind of
violence, but for this 'union' between 'same sex' has united them. It
only speakes about their private behaviours. It amuses me to no end
when i hear them saying that ' homosexuality can be cured, it is a
disease'. when is reverse is true.

I personally  want to see ' legalizing of same sex marrainges'
happening during my life time. I want to live in a world that
guarantees freedom to every and each individual to expeirnce love on
their own terms.

People deserve to free themselves from the obselete chains of Laws.. I
dont know about chauvinistic Males, but Females are always the direct
beneficiaries of changes, as and when they occur, in any form, in any
sector.

The debate can be intensified in a very civilzed manner, and for that
i found a lucid piece of text

http://www.cla.purdue.edu/academic/engl/theory/genderandsex/modules/butlergendersex.html

the followin para is from the above article

Indeed, Butler goes far as to argue that gender, as an objective
natural thing, does not exist: "Gender reality is performative which
means, quite simply, that it is real only to the extent that it is
performed" ("Performative" 278). Gender, according to Butler, is by no
means tied to material bodily facts but is solely and completely a
social construction, a fiction, one that, therefore, is open to change
and contestation: "Because there is neither an 'essence' that gender
expresses or externalizes nor an objective ideal to which gender
aspires; because gender is not a fact, the various acts of gender
creates the idea of gender, and without those acts, there would be no
gender at all. Gender is, thus, a construction that regularly conceals
its genesis" ("Performative" 273). That genesis is not corporeal but
performative (see next module), so that the body becomes its gender
only "through a series of acts which are renewed, revised, and
consolidated through time" ("Performative" 274). By illustrating the
artificial, conventional, and historical nature of gender
construction, Butler attempts to critique the assumptions of normative
heterosexuality: those punitive rules (social, familial, and legal)
that force us to conform to hegemonic, heterosexual standards for
identity.



with love
inder salim
- Show quoted text -






On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:15 PM, anupam chakravartty
wrote:
> homosexuality has existed in the indian society from time immemorial.
there
> is a whole monument dedicated to homosexuality in Dahod district of
gujarat
> that dates back to 12 century AD. the argument that the homosexuality is
> unnatural occurs when one sees it from the perspective of Victorian mores
> being applied to indian society that happened in late 18th and 19th
century.
> people like baba ramdev continue to do so.
>
> On 7/10/09, vaid theite  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hallo,
>>
>> You are diverting the main concern of this email. Dont you think so? The
>> main point is that how to argue with Baba kind of person irrespective of
how
>> popular he is as this has gone a legal case. Baba has vocalised
expression
>> of many, I think. When one says that homosexuality is not natural. Then,
>> question is how to pose an argument against it? One needs to prove,
>> scientifically and reasonably, that it is natural. Traditionally, it has
>> been approved that that physical relation between two different sexes is
>> natural.
>>
>> D
>>
>> --- On Fri, 7/10/09, anupam chakravartty  wrote:
>>
>> > From: anupam chakravartty 
>> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Baba Ramdev claims Yoga has a cure...
>> > To: "sarai list" 
>> > Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 4:24 AM
>> > Dear Aditya,
>> >
>> > First of all, your understanding about yoga is deplorable.
>> > Second, this
>> > defence that you are trying to put up for Baba Ramdev and
>> > his followers
>> > shows how well you understand yoga and mass hypnosis spread
>> > with television.
>> > in case if u plan to state that so many number of people
>> > being cured by that
>> > quack, then there are a couple of witch doctors who are
>> > helping out
>> > government departments and NGOs in Vadodara who unlike
>> > Ramdev eating on air
>> > time of TV channels, are doing their best to educate people
>> > in tribal areas
>> > of chota udepur to get medicine treatment for HIV. Because
>> > the villagers
>> > would not listen to a modern day