Re: [RFC] Moving from Bazaar (bzr) to git
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 04:57:25AM +0200, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko wrote: No flame-war messages please. You can voice your support pro or contra based on convenience for you but please don't transform this into flame war. I didn't intend to. I was only trying to say I find the interface for both hard to work with. I should have phrased it better. I know some people find git weird. I suppose it depends what you are used to. I sure am happy there exists translations between many of the systems so you can work with something you like locally. -- Len Sorensen ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: [RFC] Moving from Bazaar (bzr) to git
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Geoffrey Thomas gtho...@mokafive.com wrote: * A couple of commits (like cjwat...@ubuntu.com-20110330103133-rwadssw622rhkogw / b38045f in my import) seem to have an empty author name or email, when fast-exported, but a valid committer. So I set the author to the committer. The latest git import helper correctly handles all of these bzr records. If you put this file in /usr/local/bin, then you can move the entire GRUB history from bzr to git without any manual edits: https://github.com/felipec/git/blob/fc/master/contrib/remote-helpers/git-remote-bzr.py -- Darik Horn dajh...@vanadac.com ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: [RFC] Moving from Bazaar (bzr) to git
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, Darik Horn wrote: On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Geoffrey Thomas gtho...@mokafive.com wrote: * A couple of commits (like cjwat...@ubuntu.com-20110330103133-rwadssw622rhkogw / b38045f in my import) seem to have an empty author name or email, when fast-exported, but a valid committer. So I set the author to the committer. The latest git import helper correctly handles all of these bzr records. If you put this file in /usr/local/bin, then you can move the entire GRUB history from bzr to git without any manual edits: https://github.com/felipec/git/blob/fc/master/contrib/remote-helpers/git-remote-bzr.py Ah, thanks. I'm using bzr-fast-export, not git-remote-bzr, but that might be worth a shot. Theoretically they should export the same tree, I guess -- it looks like they're using the same solution. Looks like git-remote-bzr doesn't handle the .bzrignore - .gitignore munging that I included, so we would still need to fix those up, if we wanted ignores to work right when checking out an old commit (which I think is desirable). -- Geoffrey Thomas gtho...@mokafive.com ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: [RFC] Moving from Bazaar (bzr) to git
Bruce Dubbs, 2013-06-23 00:52 (Europe/Helsinki): Paul Menzel wrote: this is *not* the start of a flame war about what VCS is the best. Hopefully everyone will agree, that git is the most popular one in the FOSS world (Linux, freedesktop.org, GNOME, KDE, …) and a lot of people are now familiar with the basic git commands. So using Bazaar is one more thing to deal with for new contributors before making a contribution to GRUB. (I know there is git-bzr-ng, but it is still one more step.) Personally, I prefer subversion, but I'm not a GRUB developer. The choice of version control can be similar emacs/vi or Bourne Shell/C Shell, so it really should be the choice of the primary developers. I disagree. The choice of version control means a lot more than working environment of a single developer (primary developer or not) because that is the medium for sharing the source code. Even Linus himself uses git over patches from email, even though the latter method is not bad either for a single patch. Once you master even a single DVCS system (e.g. Git, Mercurial, Bazaar), the limitations caused by subversion or any other centralized version control system start to look much greater than before. I'd suggest trying to apply the workflow used by git development for grub, too. Make sure to have a mirror at github.com and if you don't want to use github's issue tracker, put a big disclaimer about that in github. As far as I know, you cannot disable public issue tracker in github repository's settings. -- Mikko signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: [RFC] Moving from Bazaar (bzr) to git
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 04:52:04PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Personally, I prefer subversion, but I'm not a GRUB developer. The choice of version control can be similar emacs/vi or Bourne Shell/C Shell, so it really should be the choice of the primary developers. Using Google for 'git vs subversion' provides a lot of interesting opinions. I find subversion almost as annoying as bazaar to deal with. It makes it very hard to find what you want to find. Like bazaar, the only way to tolerate subversion is to use a convertor to git format. -- Len Sorensen ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: [RFC] Moving from Bazaar (bzr) to git
On 06/24/2013 06:27 AM, Mikko Rantalainen wrote: I'd suggest trying to apply the workflow used by git development for grub, too. While i don't expect my opinion to have any particular weight (i'm mostly a bug reporter and tester in this community) i would also be happy to see a switch from bzr to git if the upstream devs are OK with it. Make sure to have a mirror at github.com and if you don't want to use github's issue tracker, put a big disclaimer about that in github. As far as I know, you cannot disable public issue tracker in github repository's settings. I have to disagree with the above. Maintaining a mirror at github.com is not at all a requirement, and the maintenance of such a mirror is extra work (however small). The extra mirror can potentially create confusion if it isn't properly maintained, as can the github issue tracker if it isn't the canonical issue tracker. If you consider switching to git, please don't spend any extra cycles worrying about github.com integration unless you have a compelling reason to do so. --dkg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: [RFC] Moving from Bazaar (bzr) to git
On 24.06.2013 12:27, Mikko Rantalainen wrote: Bruce Dubbs, 2013-06-23 00:52 (Europe/Helsinki): Paul Menzel wrote: this is *not* the start of a flame war about what VCS is the best. Hopefully everyone will agree, that git is the most popular one in the FOSS world (Linux, freedesktop.org, GNOME, KDE, …) and a lot of people are now familiar with the basic git commands. So using Bazaar is one more thing to deal with for new contributors before making a contribution to GRUB. (I know there is git-bzr-ng, but it is still one more step.) Personally, I prefer subversion, but I'm not a GRUB developer. The choice of version control can be similar emacs/vi or Bourne Shell/C Shell, so it really should be the choice of the primary developers. I disagree. The choice of version control means a lot more than working environment of a single developer (primary developer or not) because that is the medium for sharing the source code. Even Linus himself uses git over patches from email, even though the latter method is not bad either for a single patch. Once you master even a single DVCS system (e.g. Git, Mercurial, Bazaar), the limitations caused by subversion or any other centralized version control system start to look much greater than before. I'd suggest trying to apply the workflow used by git development for grub, too. Make sure to have a mirror at github.com and if you don't want to use github's issue tracker, put a big disclaimer about that in github. As far as I know, you cannot disable public issue tracker in github repository's settings. Moving away from savannah is out of the question. Savannah is official place for GNU projects and as such we'll stay at savannah. ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: [RFC] Moving from Bazaar (bzr) to git
On 24.06.2013 16:09, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 04:52:04PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Personally, I prefer subversion, but I'm not a GRUB developer. The choice of version control can be similar emacs/vi or Bourne Shell/C Shell, so it really should be the choice of the primary developers. Using Google for 'git vs subversion' provides a lot of interesting opinions. I find subversion almost as annoying as bazaar to deal with. It makes it very hard to find what you want to find. Like bazaar, the only way to tolerate subversion is to use a convertor to git format. No flame-war messages please. You can voice your support pro or contra based on convenience for you but please don't transform this into flame war. ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: [RFC] Moving from Bazaar (bzr) to git
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko phco...@gmail.com wrote: On 24.06.2013 12:27, Mikko Rantalainen wrote: Bruce Dubbs, 2013-06-23 00:52 (Europe/Helsinki): Paul Menzel wrote: this is *not* the start of a flame war about what VCS is the best. Hopefully everyone will agree, that git is the most popular one in the FOSS world (Linux, freedesktop.org, GNOME, KDE, ...) and a lot of people are now familiar with the basic git commands. So using Bazaar is one more thing to deal with for new contributors before making a contribution to GRUB. (I know there is git-bzr-ng, but it is still one more step.) Personally, I prefer subversion, but I'm not a GRUB developer. The choice of version control can be similar emacs/vi or Bourne Shell/C Shell, so it really should be the choice of the primary developers. I disagree. The choice of version control means a lot more than working environment of a single developer (primary developer or not) because that is the medium for sharing the source code. Even Linus himself uses git over patches from email, even though the latter method is not bad either for a single patch. Once you master even a single DVCS system (e.g. Git, Mercurial, Bazaar), the limitations caused by subversion or any other centralized version control system start to look much greater than before. I'd suggest trying to apply the workflow used by git development for grub, too. Make sure to have a mirror at github.com and if you don't want to use github's issue tracker, put a big disclaimer about that in github. As far as I know, you cannot disable public issue tracker in github repository's settings. Moving away from savannah is out of the question. Savannah is official place for GNU projects and as such we'll stay at savannah. ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel Hello! I agree. Moving away from hosting there is not an option. But what about the decision concerning BZR? - Gregg C Levine gregg.drw...@gmail.com This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again. ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: [RFC] Moving from Bazaar (bzr) to git
On Sat, 22 Jun 2013, Paul Menzel wrote:
Hopefully everyone will agree, that git is the most popular one in the
FOSS world (Linux, freedesktop.org, GNOME, KDE, …) and a lot of people
are now familiar with the basic git commands. So using Bazaar is one
more thing to deal with for new contributors before making a
contribution to GRUB. (I know there is git-bzr-ng, but it is still one
more step.)
Talking to Vladimir and Colin in #grub, they did not oppose a migration
to git and Vladimir asked me to bring it up on the list.
Does anyone have experience with such a move and how to do it on
Savannah? Could you please share these? That would be great.
I did a conversion via bzr fast-export | git fast-import a while ago for
my workplace, so that we could internally use git for development (so we
all don't have to learn yet another VCS). Our priorities have shifted so
we haven't hacked on GRUB for a while, but this thread inspired me to dust
off the conversion, and re-attempt setting up a cronjob to do the import.
I believe I now have it working and it should push new commits every hour:
https://github.com/mokafive/grub
I'd be thrilled for GRUB to adopt that history -- let me know if it looks
reasonable. Until there's a move to git, I intend to keep the URL working,
so feel free to clone and format-patch from there. I'll try not to break
history, but if someone points out that something got mis-imported, I'll
fix that, which will involve rewriting history.
I haven't handled branches, because they don't look very active and
honestly I don't yet understand bzr branching. I think handling it is
straightforward, though, so I will figure that out if someone asks.
If you're curious about the details, the scripts I used for the conversion
are at the end of the email; consider them freely usable with no
restrictions. Here are the issues I ran into:
* For some reason, git packs the fast-import very, very poorly, causing
the .git directory to balloon to over a gigabyte (for comparison, the .bzr
directory is 21M). Running `git gc --aggressive` fixes it and drops .git
to more like 20M. Note that Github seems to preserve the packing you send
it, so if you make a new repo on the Github web interface, clones _from_
there will be gargantuan if you don't run the aggressive GC before the
first time you push. I don't seem to need to rerun the GC on incremental
imports, fortunately.
* A couple of commits (like
cjwat...@ubuntu.com-20110330103133-rwadssw622rhkogw / b38045f in my
import) seem to have an empty author name or email, when fast-exported,
but a valid committer. So I set the author to the committer.
* .bzrignore needs to become .gitignore, so I changed that in each commit
so that checking out older commits works reasonably. bzr has some built-in
defaults that git doesn't, that GRUB makes use of (like *.o), so I added
those. Also, .bzrignore itself was listed in .bzrignore, which strikes me
as odd.
* I couldn't easily figure out how to make filter-branch resume from a
certain point. Fortunately it doesn't take _that_ long to filter the whole
thing, and is consistent. I think you can do this with .git/info/replace,
if you really care, though.
There's nothing Github-specific about the import, so it should upload to
Savannah just fine. I can post the marks files, for converting between
bzr and git commit names, if people find them useful.
As probably implied by the fact that I did this, I'm a fan of moving, both
because git is significantly more popular and because I find the UI better
than bzr's (although that may just be familiarity).
--
Geoffrey Thomas
gtho...@mokafive.com
[gthomas@hobgoblin grub]$ crontab -l
0 * * * * chronic /home/gthomas/src/grub/import.sh
[gthomas@hobgoblin grub]$ cat import.sh
#!/bin/sh
set -e
cd ~/src/grub/bzr
bzr up
cd ~/src/grub/git
bzr fast-export --branch=import --marks=../bzr-marks ../bzr | git fast-import
--import-marks-if-exists=../git-marks --export-marks=../git-marks --quiet
git reset --hard
../filter.sh
git reset --hard
git push github HEAD:upstream
[gthomas@hobgoblin grub]$ cat filter.sh
#!/bin/sh
set -e
export default_ignores=$(python -c from bzrlib import ignores; print
\\\n\.join(ignores.USER_DEFAULTS))
git update-ref -m New upstream refs/heads/upstream import
git checkout upstream
git reset --hard
dir=$(mktemp -d --tmpdir=${XDG_RUNTIME_DIR:-/tmp} filter-branch.XX)
git filter-branch -f -d $dir --env-filter '
export GIT_AUTHOR_NAME=${GIT_AUTHOR_NAME:-$GIT_COMMITTER_NAME}
export GIT_AUTHOR_EMAIL=${GIT_AUTHOR_EMAIL:-$GIT_COMMITTER_EMAIL}
' --index-filter '
flag=0
if git checkout .bzrignore 2/dev/null; then
sed s/^\*\*\/// .bzrignore | grep -v .bzrignore .gitignore
echo $default_ignores .gitignore
git rm -qf .bzrignore
git diff .gitignore
git add .gitignore
if git show --pretty=format: --name-only $GIT_COMMIT | grep -Fxq
.bzrignore; then
Re: [RFC] Moving from Bazaar (bzr) to git
On 22 June 2013 23:30, Paul Menzel paulepan...@users.sourceforge.netwrote: Dear GRUB folks, this is *not* the start of a flame war about what VCS is the best. Hopefully everyone will agree, that git is the most popular one in the FOSS world (Linux, freedesktop.org, GNOME, KDE, …) and a lot of people are now familiar with the basic git commands. So using Bazaar is one more thing to deal with for new contributors before making a contribution to GRUB. (I know there is git-bzr-ng, but it is still one more step.) Talking to Vladimir and Colin in #grub, they did not oppose a migration to git and Vladimir asked me to bring it up on the list. Does anyone have experience with such a move and how to do it on Savannah? Could you please share these? That would be great. I don't have an idea how to do it in Savannah. But you can also use git-remote-bzr ( http://felipec.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/git-remote-hg-bzr-2/ ) apart from git-bzr-ng to checkout bzr repo via git. git-remote-bzr is part of git contrib scripts and is already shipped as part of git pkg in many distros (/usr/share/git/remote-helpers/git-remote-bzr in Arch Linux). I currently use grub bzr via git-remote-bzr. Thanks, Paul ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: [RFC] Moving from Bazaar (bzr) to git
В Sun, 23 Jun 2013 00:09:31 +0530 Keshav Padram the.ridikulus@gmail.com пишет: On 22 June 2013 23:30, Paul Menzel paulepan...@users.sourceforge.netwrote: Dear GRUB folks, this is *not* the start of a flame war about what VCS is the best. Hopefully everyone will agree, that git is the most popular one in the FOSS world (Linux, freedesktop.org, GNOME, KDE, …) and a lot of people are now familiar with the basic git commands. So using Bazaar is one more thing to deal with for new contributors before making a contribution to GRUB. (I know there is git-bzr-ng, but it is still one more step.) Talking to Vladimir and Colin in #grub, they did not oppose a migration to git and Vladimir asked me to bring it up on the list. Does anyone have experience with such a move and how to do it on Savannah? Could you please share these? That would be great. I don't have an idea how to do it in Savannah. But you can also use git-remote-bzr ( http://felipec.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/git-remote-hg-bzr-2/ ) apart from git-bzr-ng to checkout bzr repo via git. git-remote-bzr is part of git contrib scripts and is already shipped as part of git pkg in many distros (/usr/share/git/remote-helpers/git-remote-bzr in Arch Linux). I currently use grub bzr via git-remote-bzr. git-remote-bzr (and git-bzr-ng) are good to keep track of single branch, but they won't replicate existing branches structure of bzr repo. That will probably be the main problem. bzr and git use sufficiently different work flow, so this will likely need to be done manually (scripting). git-remote-bzr does replicated all commits and stores branch tips, which provides enough information to recreate branches in git. OTOH with git often is using repo clones (which are really easy and cheap) for what bzr is using branches. At least people/* branches are good candidates for becoming separate repositories. I also do not know to which extent merge information is compatible between git and bzr and whether this will preserve merge history, assuming this is important. ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: [RFC] Moving from Bazaar (bzr) to git
Paul Menzel wrote: Dear GRUB folks, this is *not* the start of a flame war about what VCS is the best. Hopefully everyone will agree, that git is the most popular one in the FOSS world (Linux, freedesktop.org, GNOME, KDE, …) and a lot of people are now familiar with the basic git commands. So using Bazaar is one more thing to deal with for new contributors before making a contribution to GRUB. (I know there is git-bzr-ng, but it is still one more step.) Talking to Vladimir and Colin in #grub, they did not oppose a migration to git and Vladimir asked me to bring it up on the list. Personally, I prefer subversion, but I'm not a GRUB developer. The choice of version control can be similar emacs/vi or Bourne Shell/C Shell, so it really should be the choice of the primary developers. Using Google for 'git vs subversion' provides a lot of interesting opinions. -- Bruce ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
