Re: Translucent Scrollbars
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 18:53 +0300, Kalle Vahlman wrote: 2008/8/19 Christian Dywan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Before even starting to think of all the layout-related technical details, one should stop to think if one really wants interesting content to be underneath mouse-usable scrollbars (ie. unreachable) and why... You want it for small screens. That's yet another 20 or more pixels that you don't waste. For example Maemo has ultra thick scrollbars for people who use their full of mayonaise hanging greasy fingers, while eating French Fries in a good Belgian Frituur, instead of the Apple-ish stylish stylus. Some even use ketchup! Or even cheese??!! Strange Canadians and UK people. I do it all the times (tapping with my dirty greasy fingers). My devices look horrible and dirty. Indeed. And I plan to continue doing it too. (for hygienic reasons, I often clean my device, of course). I can't hold both food AND stylus pens in my hands. I could try tapping my Nokia devices's touchscreens with a fries ... though (hmm, that's a good idea). But that's why the scrollbar is thick, and as a result my working area feels smaller. And why a translucent scrollbar would be useful. -- Philip Van Hoof, freelance software developer home: me at pvanhoof dot be gnome: pvanhoof at gnome dot org http://pvanhoof.be/blog http://codeminded.be ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Translucent Scrollbars
Lieven van der Heide wrote: Well, isn't the whole point of scrollbars to be able to scroll to stuff that's otherwise hidden (behind something else)? I don't see why it would be a problem to show a piece of the content that would otherwise be hidden at all. As long as scrolling to the sides completely, makes the content fully exposed at the left/top of the scroll bars. On a portable device there's almost no reason to permanently show scrollbars at all. Instead they should show up as they do in the android screenshot when the user is actually scrolling, say when the stylus is down, or the finger is down on the screen. I have to admit, this is one area where the iPod Touch really does it right. The scroll bars are there when you need them, and when you don't you have just your content. I've often been struck by how poorly GUI concepts from our large screens translate to handheld devices. Windows Mobile has always seemed to me as being clunky with it's desktop-like scrollbars, dialogs, and menus. ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Translucent Scrollbars
When looking at some Android screen shots[1] I've realized that their scrollbars are translucent. That's a really nice idea IMHO. I wonder if we can implement this feature in GTK+. Ciao, Mathias [1] http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-34358-7.html#backToArticle=572913 -- Mathias Hasselmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Openismus GmbH: http://www.openismus.com/ Personal Site: http://taschenorakel.de/ signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Translucent Scrollbars
Am Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:17:10 +0200 schrieb Mathias Hasselmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When looking at some Android screen shots[1] I've realized that their scrollbars are translucent. That's a really nice idea IMHO. I wonder if we can implement this feature in GTK+. Ciao, Mathias [1] http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-34358-7.html#backToArticle=572913 Hey Mathias, your example, and for that matter all screenshots with scrollbars on the linked site, is particularly a web browser. Are you thinking of a web widget only or generally of any widgets in Gtk that can be embedded in scrollbars? The latter might involve non-trivial changes, looking at how isolated scrollbars normally are from their child, there are even thick borders between the child and the scrollbars in the dozen engines/ themes I have tested here when writing this. ciao, Christian ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Translucent Scrollbars
2008/8/19 Christian Dywan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:17:10 +0200 schrieb Mathias Hasselmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When looking at some Android screen shots[1] I've realized that their scrollbars are translucent. That's a really nice idea IMHO. I wonder if we can implement this feature in GTK+. Ciao, Mathias [1] http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-34358-7.html#backToArticle=572913 Hey Mathias, your example, and for that matter all screenshots with scrollbars on the linked site, is particularly a web browser. Are you thinking of a web widget only or generally of any widgets in Gtk that can be embedded in scrollbars? The latter might involve non-trivial changes, looking at how isolated scrollbars normally are from their child, there are even thick borders between the child and the scrollbars in the dozen engines/ themes I have tested here when writing this. Before even starting to think of all the layout-related technical details, one should stop to think if one really wants interesting content to be underneath mouse-usable scrollbars (ie. unreachable) and why... Then again, for a panned content, scrollbars that are translucent or even on-screen only when panning make perfect sense. However, I suppose such discussions should be deferred to a point in time that GTK+ actually has some notion of panning. Which would be nice, btw. -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Translucent Scrollbars
Well, isn't the whole point of scrollbars to be able to scroll to stuff that's otherwise hidden (behind something else)? I don't see why it would be a problem to show a piece of the content that would otherwise be hidden at all. As long as scrolling to the sides completely, makes the content fully exposed at the left/top of the scroll bars. In that case of the android example, I can see that it would be a problem, but imagine a scroll view that has both horizontal and vertical scrolling. Then it could work, and could indeed make for a fancy theme. But anyway, it will be really hard to implement it in the current gtk. Maybe you could use the offscreen rendering, to render the part that would otherwise be below the scrollbar, and then blend that into the scroll bar in the theming code. On 8/19/08, Kalle Vahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/19 Christian Dywan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:17:10 +0200 schrieb Mathias Hasselmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When looking at some Android screen shots[1] I've realized that their scrollbars are translucent. That's a really nice idea IMHO. I wonder if we can implement this feature in GTK+. Ciao, Mathias [1] http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-34358-7.html#backToArticle=572913 Hey Mathias, your example, and for that matter all screenshots with scrollbars on the linked site, is particularly a web browser. Are you thinking of a web widget only or generally of any widgets in Gtk that can be embedded in scrollbars? The latter might involve non-trivial changes, looking at how isolated scrollbars normally are from their child, there are even thick borders between the child and the scrollbars in the dozen engines/ themes I have tested here when writing this. Before even starting to think of all the layout-related technical details, one should stop to think if one really wants interesting content to be underneath mouse-usable scrollbars (ie. unreachable) and why... Then again, for a panned content, scrollbars that are translucent or even on-screen only when panning make perfect sense. However, I suppose such discussions should be deferred to a point in time that GTK+ actually has some notion of panning. Which would be nice, btw. -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Translucent Scrollbars
2008/8/19 Lieven van der Heide [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, isn't the whole point of scrollbars to be able to scroll to stuff that's otherwise hidden (behind something else)? I don't see why it would be a problem to show a piece of the content that would otherwise be hidden at all. As long as scrolling to the sides completely, makes the content fully exposed at the left/top of the scroll bars. Right, of course if you can scroll the content all the way it would work. I humbly stand corrected. You may start implementing ;) -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
