Re: gtk+/glib versions for GNOME 2.20
Le mardi 05 juin 2007 à 17:52 -0600, Elijah Newren a écrit : On 6/5/07, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le lundi 28 mai 2007, à 16:12 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : Le mardi 15 mai 2007, à 15:05 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : Hi, In [1], Tim mentioned that the current plan was to release GTK+ 2.12 mid-June. Is this still the case or do you expect a delay? This would be useful to know, so we can tell people that it's okay to use the new GTK+ features. And any idea about glib 2.14? I guess if GTK+ 2.12 will be ready, the new glib will be ready too. (FWIW, Behdad told on IRC that he expects GNOME 2.20 to use pango 1.18) Since the release dates for GTK+ 2.12 and glib 2.14 are now post-GUADEC and it's probably not a good idea to put pressure on the GTK+ team, I believe it's better to stay with GTK+ 2.10/glib 2.12 for GNOME 2.20. After today's GTK+ meeting, it seems the GTK+ developers are really committed to the GUADEC release date for GTK+ 2.12. This sounds good from the GNOME point of view. What do other people in the release team think? GTK+ 2.12 aiming to be out far enough in advance of GNOME 2.20? Awesome! This is great news. release team hat Let's push GTK+ 2.11.x for next GNOME 2.19.x release !! /release team hat Moreover, since most devel distributions will (or have) switched to GTK+ 2.11.x, it will allow everybody to catch bugs quite early in the process. -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mandriva ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: gtk+/glib versions for GNOME 2.20
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007, Frederic Crozat wrote: Moreover, since most devel distributions will (or have) switched to GTK+ 2.11.x, it will allow everybody to catch bugs quite early in the process. It's not in Debian nor in Ubuntu though. Not speaking for Ubuntu, I'd like to know whether current dev series are at least API stable before pushing them to Debian experimental; is this the case of Gtk+ 2.11.1? -- Loïc Minier ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: gtk+/glib versions for GNOME 2.20
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 12:00:02PM +0200, Lo?c Minier wrote: Not speaking for Ubuntu, I'd like to know whether current dev series are at least API stable before pushing them to Debian experimental; is this the case of Gtk+ 2.11.1? If you mean API frozen with API stable, then the answer is no. Only the last few development releases are usually officially API frozen. regards, -kris. ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: gtk+/glib versions for GNOME 2.20
On 6/6/07, Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 06, 2007, Frederic Crozat wrote: Moreover, since most devel distributions will (or have) switched to GTK+ 2.11.x, it will allow everybody to catch bugs quite early in the process. It's not in Debian nor in Ubuntu though. Not speaking for Ubuntu, I'd like to know whether current dev series are at least API stable before pushing them to Debian experimental; is this the case of Gtk+ 2.11.1? If you read the release announcements, I try to include some hints as to what big api additions we still consider; small additions are still happening too. But we try pretty hard to keep the things that are already in the tree stable, unless the development release uncovers major problems with an api (thats the point of devel releases, after all...) ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: gtk+/glib versions for GNOME 2.20
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007, Matthias Clasen wrote: If you read the release announcements, I try to include some hints as to what big api additions we still consider; small additions are still happening too. But we try pretty hard to keep the things that are already in the tree stable, unless the development release uncovers major problems with an api (thats the point of devel releases, after all...) I do read the release announcements (I admit that I don't always trust the contents to be up-to-date since a lot of copy-pasting is involved). The reason I ask about API and ABI stability is that we have some policies, rules, and packaging guidelines which would conflict with pushing non-final APIs to Debian. Debian/unstable would certainly not fit, and I'm not too hot on Debian/experimental as it's too visible and official. I have started bootstrapping a non-official complementary archives where we could upload Debian packages of development versions of GNOME libs prepared by the Debian GNOME Team and where this would be possible. Just my 2 ¢ on why you don't find gtk+2.0 in Debian just yet, albeit you can count on a speed inclusion of the last dev releases when API is declared as stable (i.e. no change, no removal, but only additions). -- Loïc Minier ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: gtk+/glib versions for GNOME 2.20
Le lundi 28 mai 2007, à 16:12 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : Le mardi 15 mai 2007, à 15:05 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : Hi, In [1], Tim mentioned that the current plan was to release GTK+ 2.12 mid-June. Is this still the case or do you expect a delay? This would be useful to know, so we can tell people that it's okay to use the new GTK+ features. And any idea about glib 2.14? I guess if GTK+ 2.12 will be ready, the new glib will be ready too. (FWIW, Behdad told on IRC that he expects GNOME 2.20 to use pango 1.18) Since the release dates for GTK+ 2.12 and glib 2.14 are now post-GUADEC and it's probably not a good idea to put pressure on the GTK+ team, I believe it's better to stay with GTK+ 2.10/glib 2.12 for GNOME 2.20. After today's GTK+ meeting, it seems the GTK+ developers are really committed to the GUADEC release date for GTK+ 2.12. This sounds good from the GNOME point of view. What do other people in the release team think? Vincent, who's happy to change his mind on this :-) -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: gtk+/glib versions for GNOME 2.20
On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 23:21 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: After today's GTK+ meeting, it seems the GTK+ developers are really committed to the GUADEC release date for GTK+ 2.12. This sounds good from the GNOME point of view. What do other people in the release team think? Means I can start filing bugs about apps using the new volume button widget :) Thanks -- Bastien Nocera [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: gtk+/glib versions for GNOME 2.20
On 6/5/07, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le lundi 28 mai 2007, à 16:12 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : Le mardi 15 mai 2007, à 15:05 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : Hi, In [1], Tim mentioned that the current plan was to release GTK+ 2.12 mid-June. Is this still the case or do you expect a delay? This would be useful to know, so we can tell people that it's okay to use the new GTK+ features. And any idea about glib 2.14? I guess if GTK+ 2.12 will be ready, the new glib will be ready too. (FWIW, Behdad told on IRC that he expects GNOME 2.20 to use pango 1.18) Since the release dates for GTK+ 2.12 and glib 2.14 are now post-GUADEC and it's probably not a good idea to put pressure on the GTK+ team, I believe it's better to stay with GTK+ 2.10/glib 2.12 for GNOME 2.20. After today's GTK+ meeting, it seems the GTK+ developers are really committed to the GUADEC release date for GTK+ 2.12. This sounds good from the GNOME point of view. What do other people in the release team think? GTK+ 2.12 aiming to be out far enough in advance of GNOME 2.20? Awesome! ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: gtk+/glib versions for GNOME 2.20
Le lundi 28 mai 2007, à 19:05 +0200, Murray Cumming a écrit : On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 16:12 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Since the release dates for GTK+ 2.12 and glib 2.14 are now post-GUADEC and it's probably not a good idea to put pressure on the GTK+ team, I believe it's better to stay with GTK+ 2.10/glib 2.12 for GNOME 2.20. If there's no objection, the release team will announce this in a few days. If this happens, I hope that GTK+ will not then be frozen before GNOME 2.21/2.22 development has really started, or else the new GTK+ API will be frozen before it is tested. Synchronization with the GNOME release schedule would be best. Well, I obviously can't speak about GTK+ plans. But here's what I believe is the current status: + GNOME: if GTK+ 2.12 is not out before the end of July, then it's not reasonable to depend on it for GNOME 2.20. While the goal of the GTK+ team seems compatible, there's currently no hard guarantee that GTK+ 2.12 will be released as planned. + GTK+: GTK+ 2.12 is already late, and waiting for the next GNOME unstable development cycle might not be reasonable either. Waiting for GNOME 2.21 means delaying 2.12 for at least 3 months. Like everybody, I can't wait to use GTK+ 2.12 in GNOME. I'd even be okay to push for this happening soon, and I'd be ready to annoy GTK+ developers to get the new GTK+ out in time :-) But I don't want the first 2.12 releases to be buggy because they were rushed. I'd love to hear what's the best option for GTK+. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: gtk+/glib versions for GNOME 2.20
Le mardi 15 mai 2007, à 15:05 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : Hi, In [1], Tim mentioned that the current plan was to release GTK+ 2.12 mid-June. Is this still the case or do you expect a delay? This would be useful to know, so we can tell people that it's okay to use the new GTK+ features. And any idea about glib 2.14? I guess if GTK+ 2.12 will be ready, the new glib will be ready too. (FWIW, Behdad told on IRC that he expects GNOME 2.20 to use pango 1.18) Since the release dates for GTK+ 2.12 and glib 2.14 are now post-GUADEC and it's probably not a good idea to put pressure on the GTK+ team, I believe it's better to stay with GTK+ 2.10/glib 2.12 for GNOME 2.20. If there's no objection, the release team will announce this in a few days. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: gtk+/glib versions for GNOME 2.20
On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 16:12 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Le mardi 15 mai 2007, à 15:05 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : Hi, In [1], Tim mentioned that the current plan was to release GTK+ 2.12 mid-June. Is this still the case or do you expect a delay? This would be useful to know, so we can tell people that it's okay to use the new GTK+ features. And any idea about glib 2.14? I guess if GTK+ 2.12 will be ready, the new glib will be ready too. (FWIW, Behdad told on IRC that he expects GNOME 2.20 to use pango 1.18) Since the release dates for GTK+ 2.12 and glib 2.14 are now post-GUADEC and it's probably not a good idea to put pressure on the GTK+ team, I believe it's better to stay with GTK+ 2.10/glib 2.12 for GNOME 2.20. If there's no objection, the release team will announce this in a few days. If this happens, I hope that GTK+ will not then be frozen before GNOME 2.21/2.22 development has really started, or else the new GTK+ API will be frozen before it is tested. Synchronization with the GNOME release schedule would be best. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
gtk+/glib versions for GNOME 2.20
Hi, In [1], Tim mentioned that the current plan was to release GTK+ 2.12 mid-June. Is this still the case or do you expect a delay? This would be useful to know, so we can tell people that it's okay to use the new GTK+ features. And any idea about glib 2.14? I guess if GTK+ 2.12 will be ready, the new glib will be ready too. (FWIW, Behdad told on IRC that he expects GNOME 2.20 to use pango 1.18) Thanks, [1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2007-April/msg00175.html Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
