RE: ABS failures list
The list keeps growing... # NAMELOCATION 1 Joe LossBoulder, CO 2 Thomas Keyworth Fontana, CA 3 David Young Cockeysville, MD 4 Christopher PhillipsNine Mile Falls, WA 5 Michael Cordon Danville, CA 6 Grant Gall Calgary, Alberta 7 Jeffrey Stone Suwanee, GA 8 Alan Tooraeen Camas, WA 9 Thomas Duncan Pheonix, AZ 10 Kurt FacklerMinnetrista, MN 11 Kelly Cash Sunnyvale, CA 12 Greg ChristopherSanta Cruz, CA, 13 Jason Crowley Calgary, Alberta 14 Christopher Caputo Petaluma, CA 15 Bob Burton Charlotte, NC 16 Jon Crisler Clinton, MD 17 Jay Koblenz Trabuco Canyon, CA 18 William Halley Middletown, OH 19 Terry Baker ? 20 Shawn Pearsall Fairport, NY 21 Jeff Stefl ? 22 Raul Garcia Sao Paulo, TX 23 Brian Kearney Charles Town, WV 24 Stan Bodnar Whitehouse Sta., NJ 25 Larry Ellis San Antonio, TX 26 Walt HopkinsAtlanta, GA 27 Bryan Burkinstock ? 28 Mike Karafa ? 29 Derek Hydon ? 30 Stan Thomas ? 31 Steve Giuntoli Brookfield, WI 32 Scot Gordon Santa Rosa, CA 33 Duane SuttonWarner Robins, GA 34 Andy Perry Charlotte, NC 35 Brandon Salt Lake City, UT
RE: Yamaha ABS letter - final version
Actually, looking at the back of the owners manual it is encouraged to report safety related issues to the NHTSA concurrently with Yamaha. Because of the nature of these failures (No ABS Warning Light if HU fails), it is clearly a safety issue! Even if Yamaha owns up to the frailty of these pumps and agrees to out of warranty replacements, they will be REQUIRED to notify the NHTSA. Yamaha typically will NOT step up and replace an assembly just because they didn't last as long as we expected them to. If it's within the warranty period, it will be replacedout of warranty can be negotiated, but typically it's not covered. NOW, if the failing part creates safety hazard, within the warranty period or not, ALL BETS ARE OFF! If a failing component reaches a certain percentage and is cause for a safety hazard, the NHTSA will DEMAND a recall if the manufacturer doesn't voluntarily issue one. I don't believe this is a good guy, bad guy thing. We simply need to proceed in the predefined NHTSA steps. Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC AMA #609423 // [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 -Original Message- From: Loss, Joe [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 10:49 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Yamaha ABS letter - final version Kurt, I don't want to give a date for them to reply by because it sounds too demanding/threatening. I will change the wording slightly however, "We look forward to receiving a prompt response to this letter in the very near future. " maybe, to emphasize urgency. I will follow up with them if I don't hear anything from them within a month. Cheers Joe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 3:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Yamaha ABS letter - final version Joe: First off, it is a superb letter. Because it is an excellent letter, it makes critiquing even easier for the "armchair editors." Really though, I would change "near future" to January 15th. That's plenty of time. If they fail to respond, then we know exactly when to go to level #2. Again, congratulations on a fine letter as well as a huge "thank you" for the efforts. Kurt In a message dated 11/29/99 3:20:37 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We look forward to hearing back from you in the near future (insert date here). Please feel free to call me directly to discuss any aspect of this issue. Regards, Joe Loss
RE: ABS failures list
I seem to have missed a few people and even doubled up on one. Getting it sorted out finally. Make sure you use the new (303) 830 6911 fax number as per the last form I posted. The earlier number is not reliable. Make sure you clearly address faxes to me. We're up to 37 so far. I will send the letter to Yamaha by fax and regular mail later today. Cheers Joe. -Original Message- From: Loss, Joe Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 8:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ABS failures list The list keeps growing... # NAMELOCATION 1 Joe LossBoulder, CO 2 Thomas Keyworth Fontana, CA 3 David Young Cockeysville, MD 4 Christopher PhillipsNine Mile Falls, WA 5 Michael Cordon Danville, CA 6 Grant Gall Calgary, Alberta 7 Jeffrey Stone Suwanee, GA 8 Alan Tooraeen Camas, WA 9 Thomas Duncan Pheonix, AZ 10 Kurt FacklerMinnetrista, MN 11 Kelly Cash Sunnyvale, CA 12 Greg ChristopherSanta Cruz, CA, 13 Jason Crowley Calgary, Alberta 14 Christopher Caputo Petaluma, CA 15 Bob Burton Charlotte, NC 16 Jon Crisler Clinton, MD 17 Jay Koblenz Trabuco Canyon, CA 18 William Halley Middletown, OH 19 Terry Baker ? 20 Shawn Pearsall Fairport, NY 21 Jeff Stefl ? 22 Raul Garcia Sao Paulo, TX 23 Brian Kearney Charles Town, WV 24 Stan Bodnar Whitehouse Sta., NJ 25 Larry Ellis San Antonio, TX 26 Walt HopkinsAtlanta, GA 27 Bryan Burkinstock ? 28 Mike Karafa ? 29 Derek Hydon ? 30 Stan Thomas ? 31 Steve Giuntoli Brookfield, WI 32 Scot Gordon Santa Rosa, CA 33 Duane SuttonWarner Robins, GA 34 Andy Perry Charlotte, NC 35 Brandon Salt Lake City, UT
Re: Yamaha ABS letter - final version
Okay. I suppose that does cross a certain threshold. Send 'er off Joe! With a little luck we will get a positive response. Yamaha might just see this as an opportunity to earn the utter loyalty of 35 riders. Kurt Kurt, I don't want to give a date for them to reply by because it sounds too demanding/threatening. I will change the wording slightly however, "We look forward to receiving a prompt response to this letter in the very near future. " maybe, to emphasize urgency. I will follow up with them if I don't hear anything from them within a month. Cheers Joe.
Re: draggin' the centerstand
Phil who wants to know and who thinks the footy pegs are great warning devices They are, but I don't think its very manly to call them 'footy' pegs. They're really called "Hero Blobs." And while I'm not a racer, I understand that if you're dragging parts, you're not doing it right. You need to slide your posterior off the seat in the direction of the lean. Sometimes so far that your knee puck (assuming you have one) touches down. (yes Phil, I know you know this ;-) -K = Mr. Kelly Cash / Chief Technologist MITS Unix Phone: 408-576-3663 Cadence Design SystemsFAX: 408-894-3400 2655 Seely Ave, Bldg 6, MS 6B1 Pager: 888-853-8860 San Jose, CA 95134email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
clearview shield
Hi ,The clearview +6 tinted shield used only once! is still available.contact off list if interested.Thank you
Re: ABS letter
Stupid comment I know...but I have to assume since you stated "Dear President..." Please research the appropriate name for this letter to be addressed tothat makes it HIS/HER Problem...personally and it shows we are thorough in our research methods. Excellent job Jon SP
Re: Yamaha ABS letter - final version
Jon: Perhaps that issue can be added to your first letter. Recognizing the stated policy in your manual for the GTS, I am supposed to notify both Yamaha the NTSB with regards to this unit failures. However, being a loyal group of Yamaha owners, we wanted to approach you personally first, to yada yada yada,,sorry lousy coffee here at the hotel.can't think when I'm asleep! Shawn P
Re: clearview shield
Sounds like you sold the bike? Scott oiler now available? Or are you just cleaning the garage! Shawn Pearsall
RE: Yamaha ABS letter - final version
Letter and fax have been sent. Here is the latest updated list. It'll probably have the format screwed up by the time you get it. I'll continue to add to the list if anyone else wants to be included. I'll also add/correct any missing data if it's sent to me. Thanks for the response. I think we have overwhelming proof of the extent of the problem. Cheers Joe. PS: Thomas Keyworth, is that mileage really correct? # NAMELOCATIONYEAR FAILURE MILES REPAIRED 1 Joe LossBoulder, CO 93 R 13,100 N 2 Thomas Keyworth Fontana, CA 94 F/R 165,000 Y 3 David Young Cockeysville, MD93 R 7,000 N 4 Christopher PhillipsNine Mile Falls, WA 93 R 11,220 N 5 Michael Cordon Danville, CA94 F/R 13,000 N 6 Grant Gall Calgary, Alberta93 R 21,100 N 7 Jeffrey Stone Suwanee, GA 93 R 5,100 Y 8 Alan Tooraeen Camas, WA 94 R 8,700 Y 9 Thomas Duncan Pheonix, AZ 93 F/R 15,000 N 10 Kurt FacklerMinnetrista, MN 94 R 10,400 N 11 Kelly Cash Sunnyvale, CA 93 R 26,500 N 12 Greg ChristopherSanta Cruz, CA, 93 R 48,000 N 13 Jason Crowley Calgary, Alberta93 R 7,000 Y 14 Christopher Caputo Petaluma, CA94 F/R 5,000 Y 15 Bob Burton Charlotte, NC 93 R Y 16 Jon Crisler Clinton, MD 93 R 17,500 N 17 Jay Koblenz Trabuco Canyon, CA 93 R 2,900 Y 18 William Halley Middletown, OH 93 R 9,500 N 19 Terry Baker Mesa, AZ93 30,000 Y 20 Shawn Pearsall Fairport, NY93 R 11,000 N 21 Jeff Stefl 93 F/R 2,500 N 22 Raul Garcia Sao Paulo, TX 93 F/R 18,356 N 23 Brian Kearney Charles Town, WV93 R 13,500 N 24 Stan Bodnar Whitehouse Sta., NJ F N 25 Larry Ellis San Antonio, TX R N 26 Walt HopkinsAtlanta, GA R N 27 Bryan Burkinstock 93 R N 28 Mike Karafa 93 R N 29 Derek Hydon Los Angeles, CA 94 R 2,864 N 30 Stan Thomas Akron, OH 93 F 12,000 N 31 Steve Giuntoli Brookfield, WI 93 R 33,000 N 32 Scot Gordon Santa Rosa, CA Y 33 Duane SuttonWarner Robins, GA R Y 34 Andy Perry Charlotte, NC N 35 Brandon Salt Lake City, UT R N 36 Thomas O'Brien Weedsport, NY 93 F/R N 37 Tim ArgoRochester MN N -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 11:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Yamaha ABS letter - final version Okay. I suppose that does cross a certain threshold. Send 'er off Joe! With a little luck we will get a positive response. Yamaha might just see this as an opportunity to earn the utter loyalty of 35 riders. Kurt Kurt, I don't want to give a date for them to reply by because it sounds too demanding/threatening. I will change the wording slightly however, "We look forward to receiving a prompt response to this letter in the very near future. " maybe, to emphasize urgency. I will follow up with them if I don't hear anything from them within a month. Cheers Joe.
Re: Yamaha ABS letter - final version
Well, actually it's more like 165,250 or so, but who's counting ;-) UPDATE: Bike's been in since 02 Oct - still can't seem to fix it (Montclair Yamaha), he's replaced the main unit at the hub, the relays, etc. I'm getting impatient, esp. since I've been commuting 130 miles a day on my '88 XT600. (Some would say I'm a bit too patient - that may be true.) Bike's also in for excessive oil consumption - about 3oz /100 miles. I've got a five-yr unlimited mileage warranty, good till May 2000. They said the ABS is covered, no problem, but if the oil loss is due to "normal" wear, as opposed to internal seal failures, it's my tab. Ah well, can't win 'em all, huh? I really do need to find that electrical problem in my Virago 1100... my butt's getting sore from that XT :-( Ride free, - T === Thomas H. Keyworth http://www.jps.net/keyworth http://www.district37ama.org http://www.abate.org/local23 === -Original Message- From: Loss, Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Yamaha ABS letter - final version |Letter and fax have been sent. Here is the latest updated list. It'll |probably have the format screwed up by the time you get it. I'll continue to |add to the list if anyone else wants to be included. I'll also add/correct |any missing data if it's sent to me. Thanks for the response. I think we |have overwhelming proof of the extent of the problem. | |Cheers Joe. | |PS: Thomas Keyworth, is that mileage really correct? | | |# NAME LOCATION YEAR |FAILURE MILES REPAIRED |1 Joe Loss Boulder, CO 93 |R 13,100 N |2 Thomas Keyworth Fontana, CA 94 F/R |165,000 Y |3 David Young Cockeysville, MD 93 |R 7,000 N |4 Christopher Phillips Nine Mile Falls, WA 93 R |11,220 N |5 Michael Cordon Danville, CA 94 F/R |13,000 N |6 Grant Gall Calgary, Alberta 93 |R 21,100 N |7 Jeffrey Stone Suwanee, GA 93 R |5,100 Y |8 Alan Tooraeen Camas, WA 94 R |8,700 Y |9 Thomas Duncan Pheonix, AZ 93 F/R |15,000 N |10 Kurt Fackler Minnetrista, MN 94 R |10,400 N |11 Kelly Cash Sunnyvale, CA 93 R |26,500 N |12 Greg Christopher Santa Cruz, CA, 93 |R 48,000 N |13 Jason Crowley Calgary, Alberta 93 R |7,000 Y |14 Christopher Caputo Petaluma, CA 94 F/R |5,000 Y |15 Bob Burton Charlotte, NC 93 R |Y |16 Jon Crisler Clinton, MD 93 |R 17,500 N |17 Jay Koblenz Trabuco Canyon, CA 93 R |2,900 Y |18 William Halley Middletown, OH 93 R |9,500 N |19 Terry Baker Mesa, AZ 93 |30,000 Y |20 Shawn Pearsall Fairport, NY 93 R |11,000 N |21 Jeff Stefl 93 |F/R 2,500 N |22 Raul Garcia Sao Paulo, TX 93 F/R |18,356 N |23 Brian Kearney Charles Town, WV 93 R |13,500 N |24 Stan Bodnar Whitehouse Sta., NJ F |N |25 Larry Ellis San Antonio, TX R |N |26 Walt Hopkins Atlanta, GA R |N |27 Bryan Burkinstock 93 |R N |28 Mike Karafa 93 |R N |29 Derek Hydon Los Angeles, CA 94 R |2,864 N |30 Stan Thomas Akron, OH 93 |F 12,000 N |31 Steve Giuntoli Brookfield, WI 93 R |33,000 N |32 Scot Gordon Santa Rosa, CA |Y |33 Duane Sutton Warner Robins, GA |R Y |34 Andy Perry Charlotte, NC |N |35 Brandon Salt Lake City, UT |R N |36 Thomas O'Brien Weedsport, NY 93 F/R |N |37 Tim Argo Rochester MN |N | |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 11:04 AM |To: Multiple recipients of list |Subject: Re: Yamaha ABS letter - final version | | |Okay. I suppose that does cross a certain threshold. | |Send 'er off Joe! With a little luck we will get a positive response. |Yamaha might just see this as an opportunity to earn the utter loyalty of 35 | |riders. | |Kurt | | | Kurt, | | I don't want to give a date for them to reply by because it sounds too | demanding/threatening. I will change the wording slightly however, "We |look | forward to receiving a prompt response to this letter in the very near | future. " maybe, to emphasize urgency. I will follow up with them if I |don't | hear anything from them within a month. | | Cheers Joe. |
ABS
Has any list member had the courage to test the front ABS system?
Re: ABS
In a message dated 11/30/99 8:30:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has any list member had the courage to test the front ABS system? These were the thoughts that went through my head as a prepared to test the front ABS. "Here I am standing in the driveway holding a hair pin. What if one of the guys comes up and sees me holding this thing. It would be almost as bad as when SHE has me hold her purse in the store Stupid seat. Come on dammit. OK now where do I stick this thing. Man I hope this is it. Is it the amps or the volts that are gonna knock the crap out of me if I've got the wrong plug. I'll use my electrically shielded shirt to hold it. Do I turn it on first or... No, that didn't work. that's pretty cool. Wonder how many times I can do this before the battery dies." Yeah I know it takes some real guts to test the front ABS, but do what I did and just go for it. Living life on the edge. You can't stop me. Don't even try. Look I'm running with scissors! In case that's NOT what you were asking about: I usually road test the ABS whenever I go out. I try the rear brake first. If it works, and it has so far, then I'll hit the front at about 40mph. I prefer a moderate speed and dry pavement. My theory here is that the spinning rear wheel will help keep me vertical and if the front locks up then when I release the brake the tire will regain grip immediately on the dry road. Fred Grefe
Re: ABS
Dave, picked up a 93 GTS in North Carolina for my brother. Got to hook up sometime. Keep in touch. Stan -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ABS Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 9:12 PM I guess I'm lucky that my ABS system seems to be working well. I've got a crushed stone driveway, so every once in a while I hit the brakes in a controlled manner. The bike leaves a series of patches in the stones , front and rear. Seems that from what I've learned from the list that the system needs to be "exercised" once in a while. BTW, I just bought a set of Metzeler MEZ4's, 180/55 rear and 120/70 front. Just pushing it in the garage seems to be much easier to steer. Can't wait to get it out on the road. It's in the 20's here today, guess I'll have to wait. Dave Schweisgut/Pa
Re: ABS letter
Jon. I alos think you have done a great job If Yamaha makes the correct decision to replace defectives ABS I'll be a customer for life. David Edwards article on page 10 of the Dec issue of cycleworld shows how yamaha has capture more market place than Honda this year. Hope the company does the right thing Raul
Re: ABS
excellent Stan, I will try to get a call out to you one of these days , Dave Schweisgut/Pa
RE: Yamaha ABS letter - final version
I am new to this list, but I thought I would give my two cents on the deadline/no deadline discussion. I am frequently writing and receiving business correspondences that require a response. It is very common to put in a date by which a reply is expected. It doesn't have to phrased as a deadline, just a 'we look forward to hearing from you on this issue by...' kind of thing. We can set an expectation without pounding on their desks. By the way, the letter is excellent. Walt
wrecked gts
While back someone was looking for a GTS clunker to hotrod. Saw this ad thought I'd post it. Rochester is west of Pittsburgh i.e. west end of PA, almost to Ohio. 1993 Yamaha GTS 1000, Rebuildable. Misc upper damage to cage, gauges, headlight, etc. Runs and goes through all the gears. Needs bodywork. Call or email for more details. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $2,800.00, (724) 728-2431 Location: Rochester, PA
Re: ABS
In a message dated 11/30/99 5:30:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has any list member had the courage to test the front ABS system? As a matter of fact I did this weekend. A street close to me had new asphalt patch on which they had thrown a bunch of loose sand. Got my speed up to about 40 mph and nailed both brakes and front and rear ABS worked perfectly. Tried it again with just the front and then with the rear then both together again. Guess it has fresh brake fluid in it now huh? Bob J.
MCN news
Hey guys, there talking about the GTS in the MCNews of december. Only a few short lines : "The most daring production bike of the decate, Yamaha's fuel injected GTS of 1992, with its James Parker-designed RADD front end, was a sales flop, making other manufacturers glad the Yamaha had taken the technological leap of faith, and they hadn't. " They can be found at : http://www.mcnews.com/ A very good magazine . BTW Does anybody knows why all the motorcycles magazine have there subscription goes thru Boulder, CO ? Jay ? Richard Christopher Caputo wrote: Hi ,The clearview +6 tinted shield used only once! is still available.contact off list if interested.Thank you
Re: ABS
Christopher, I have tested mine several times . All but one were intentional. The front brake lever always has pulsed very rapidly and forcefully, but the wheel has never locked up. All tests were on dry pavement, straight line , asphalt/concrete, at speeds from 20 through 75 mph. The one unintentional test was a maximum panic application of both brakes at about 60 mph to avoid running a stop sign and crossing a four lane highway on a unfamiliar road. The bike stopped so fast I was amazed. I know that a conventional non ABS bike would have locked both wheels and gone down hard. Sincerely, Alan Tooraen Christopher Caputo wrote: Has any list member had the courage to test the front ABS system?
