Re: [guadec-list] Meeting tomorrow (Wednesday April 13th, 19:15 UTC, 21:15 CEST)

[Benjamin Berg]

Sorry, subject was wrong obviously.

Benjamin

On Di, 2016-04-12 at 19:00 +0200, Benjamin Berg wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Probably not that much to discuss this week either.
> See you tomorrow night on #guadec on GIMPnet.
> 
> Agenda:
>  * social events
>    - ZKM/city tour and timing
>  * keynotes
>    - nuritzis might be asking around publicly
>  * budget/expenses (probably some info)
>  * accommodation for sponsored attendees
> 
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[guadec-list] Meeting tonight (Wednesday April 13th, 19:15 UTC, 21:15 CEST)

[Benjamin Berg]

Hi,

Probably not that much to discuss this week either.
See you tomorrow night on #guadec on GIMPnet.

Agenda:
 * social events
   - ZKM/city tour and timing
 * keynotes
   - nuritzis might be asking around publicly
 * budget/expenses (probably some info)
 * accommodation for sponsored attendees

Benjamin

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Re: [guadec-list] Training workshops at GUADEC

[Ekaterina Gerasimova]

On 12 April 2016 at 17:49, Benjamin Berg  wrote:
> On Di, 2016-04-12 at 12:39 +0200, Lasse Schuirmann wrote:
>> Btw. can't you add a "Workshop" type of thing to the CfP system? One thing
>> to rule them all, would be easier...
>
> Yeah, it would be more consistent. I am not sure it would simplify
> matters a lot from an organizational point of view though. So right
> now, I doubt that it is worth the trouble.

I don't think it's a good idea for the moment. Workshops and talks are
quite different with different requirements in terms of things to
consider when picking out good ones and who is a good person to pick
them out.

> Benjamin
>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Lasse Schuirmann
>>
>> cont...@viperdev.io
>> http://viperdev.io/
>>
>> 2016-04-12 12:13 GMT+02:00 Benjamin Berg :
>>
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > On Di, 2016-04-12 at 11:45 +0200, Lasse Schuirmann wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I'd certainly still be interested but won't have the time to
>> > > coordinate
>> > > everything around this as always. GSoC's going crazy right now
>> > > and I'm
>> > > doing stuff for too many orgs here.
>> > >
>> > > I hope I can work out a few rough proposals, post them here and
>> > > let you
>> > > choose which you like so I can refine.
>> > OK, someone will need to make a couple of executive decisions
>> > though,
>> > as I won't be the person actually doing the workshops. :)
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I think a few questions are missing for the workshops IMO:
>> > >
>> > > - How long should the workshop take? (Half day, day, two days
>> > > possible?)
>> > It is planned for 1 full day right now (i.e. August 11th).
>> >
>> > >
>> > > - What should participants be able to do after the workshop.
>> > > (Helps
>> > setting
>> > >
>> > > expectations right and usually also helps planning very much.)
>> > >
>> > > Few organizational questiosn:
>> > >
>> > > - Do we have any idea about the target audience? Very important
>> > > for
>> > > workshop holders to know.
>> > I am totally fine with you deciding on the exact audience.
>> >
>> > Ideally, I think it would be nice to have something that targets
>> > (local)
>> > students who are interested in free software and hopefully GNOME.
>> > So my
>> > guess is that it makes sense to expect some prior knowledge, but
>> > not much
>> > actual experience (e.g. they know what git is, but have never send
>> > a patch
>> > upstream).
>> >
>> > >
>> > > - Will you be able to organize material locally? That usually
>> > > includes
>> > lots
>> > >
>> > > and lots of sticky notes and threeish pieces of custom printed
>> > > paper per
>> > > participant. A projector with a few adaptors.
>> > Sorry, I didn't forward that list to you. We will provide a seminar
>> > room with the following:
>> >  * projector
>> >  * blackboard
>> >  * WiFi and 1-2 LAN ports
>> >  * multiway power extensions (1 socket per person)
>> >  * chairs/tables
>> >
>> > Adaptors are on my todo list to check and ping later. Anything else
>> > should be requested so we can organize something.
>> >
>> > Didn't think about paper/sticky notes before, sounds sensible to
>> > include that for all workshops.
>> >
>> > >
>> > > - Are there tables, arrangeable for group work?
>> > Yes.
>> >
>> > >
>> > > - For longer workshops, at least some water would be nice to
>> > > prohibit
>> > > dehydration.
>> > Good point. Noted.
>> >
>> > >
>> > > - It'd be great to have a BoF related or accompanying every
>> > > workshop. A
>> > > very critical point is to get people to try out the stuff even
>> > > after the
>> > > actual workshop. Knowing a place where they can come and hack
>> > > *and ask*
>> > > would be awesome. IMO we should encourage workshoppers to
>> > > organize a BoF.
>> > Oh, that is a good idea and easy to implement.
>> >
>> > >
>> > > - Would be nice to have feedback sheets so we can measure the
>> > > success and
>> > > impact of the workshops. This is one big experiement so let's not
>> > > forget
>> > > gathering data.
>> > Interesting, thought. For whatever reason I hadn't considered that
>> > yet,
>> > even though I have done exactly the same thing for other events.
>> >
>> > Added it to my list. Biggest task is to figure out the questions to
>> > put
>> > on the sheets.
>> >
>> > Benjamin
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Sincerely,
>> > >
>> > > Lasse Schuirmann
>> > >
>> > > cont...@viperdev.io
>> > > http://viperdev.io/
>> > >
>> > > 2016-04-12 11:30 GMT+02:00 Benjamin Berg > > > et>:
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hey,
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mi, 2016-01-27 at 14:27 +, David King wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I have done some introductions to git and GNOME inspired
>> > Workflows,
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > maintaining projects properly in two universities
>> > > > > > > recently and
>> > people
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > 

Re: [guadec-list] Training workshops at GUADEC

[Benjamin Berg]

On Di, 2016-04-12 at 12:39 +0200, Lasse Schuirmann wrote:
> Btw. can't you add a "Workshop" type of thing to the CfP system? One thing
> to rule them all, would be easier...

Yeah, it would be more consistent. I am not sure it would simplify
matters a lot from an organizational point of view though. So right
now, I doubt that it is worth the trouble.

Benjamin

> Sincerely,
> 
> Lasse Schuirmann
> 
> cont...@viperdev.io
> http://viperdev.io/
> 
> 2016-04-12 12:13 GMT+02:00 Benjamin Berg :
> 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Di, 2016-04-12 at 11:45 +0200, Lasse Schuirmann wrote:
> > > 
> > > I'd certainly still be interested but won't have the time to
> > > coordinate
> > > everything around this as always. GSoC's going crazy right now
> > > and I'm
> > > doing stuff for too many orgs here.
> > > 
> > > I hope I can work out a few rough proposals, post them here and
> > > let you
> > > choose which you like so I can refine.
> > OK, someone will need to make a couple of executive decisions
> > though,
> > as I won't be the person actually doing the workshops. :)
> > 
> > > 
> > > I think a few questions are missing for the workshops IMO:
> > > 
> > > - How long should the workshop take? (Half day, day, two days
> > > possible?)
> > It is planned for 1 full day right now (i.e. August 11th).
> > 
> > > 
> > > - What should participants be able to do after the workshop.
> > > (Helps
> > setting
> > > 
> > > expectations right and usually also helps planning very much.)
> > > 
> > > Few organizational questiosn:
> > > 
> > > - Do we have any idea about the target audience? Very important
> > > for
> > > workshop holders to know.
> > I am totally fine with you deciding on the exact audience.
> > 
> > Ideally, I think it would be nice to have something that targets
> > (local)
> > students who are interested in free software and hopefully GNOME.
> > So my
> > guess is that it makes sense to expect some prior knowledge, but
> > not much
> > actual experience (e.g. they know what git is, but have never send
> > a patch
> > upstream).
> > 
> > > 
> > > - Will you be able to organize material locally? That usually
> > > includes
> > lots
> > > 
> > > and lots of sticky notes and threeish pieces of custom printed
> > > paper per
> > > participant. A projector with a few adaptors.
> > Sorry, I didn't forward that list to you. We will provide a seminar
> > room with the following:
> >  * projector
> >  * blackboard
> >  * WiFi and 1-2 LAN ports
> >  * multiway power extensions (1 socket per person)
> >  * chairs/tables
> > 
> > Adaptors are on my todo list to check and ping later. Anything else
> > should be requested so we can organize something.
> > 
> > Didn't think about paper/sticky notes before, sounds sensible to
> > include that for all workshops.
> > 
> > > 
> > > - Are there tables, arrangeable for group work?
> > Yes.
> > 
> > > 
> > > - For longer workshops, at least some water would be nice to
> > > prohibit
> > > dehydration.
> > Good point. Noted.
> > 
> > > 
> > > - It'd be great to have a BoF related or accompanying every
> > > workshop. A
> > > very critical point is to get people to try out the stuff even
> > > after the
> > > actual workshop. Knowing a place where they can come and hack
> > > *and ask*
> > > would be awesome. IMO we should encourage workshoppers to
> > > organize a BoF.
> > Oh, that is a good idea and easy to implement.
> > 
> > > 
> > > - Would be nice to have feedback sheets so we can measure the
> > > success and
> > > impact of the workshops. This is one big experiement so let's not
> > > forget
> > > gathering data.
> > Interesting, thought. For whatever reason I hadn't considered that
> > yet,
> > even though I have done exactly the same thing for other events.
> > 
> > Added it to my list. Biggest task is to figure out the questions to
> > put
> > on the sheets.
> > 
> > Benjamin
> > 
> > > 
> > > Sincerely,
> > > 
> > > Lasse Schuirmann
> > > 
> > > cont...@viperdev.io
> > > http://viperdev.io/
> > > 
> > > 2016-04-12 11:30 GMT+02:00 Benjamin Berg  > > et>:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hey,
> > > > 
> > > > On Mi, 2016-01-27 at 14:27 +, David King wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I have done some introductions to git and GNOME inspired
> > Workflows,
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > maintaining projects properly in two universities
> > > > > > > recently and
> > people
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > seemed to like it. I could think of turning this into a
> > > > > > > workshop
> > if
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > there is demand.
> > > > > > Yeah, something like a GIT and maybe FOSS basics workshop
> > > > > > would be
> > > > > > great to see!
> > > > > I'd be happy to help plan and deliver these. I can only do
> > > > > them in
> > > > > English, 

Re: [guadec-list] Training workshops at GUADEC

[Lasse Schuirmann]

Btw. can't you add a "Workshop" type of thing to the CfP system? One thing
to rule them all, would be easier...

Sincerely,

Lasse Schuirmann

cont...@viperdev.io
http://viperdev.io/

2016-04-12 12:13 GMT+02:00 Benjamin Berg :

> Hi,
>
> On Di, 2016-04-12 at 11:45 +0200, Lasse Schuirmann wrote:
> > I'd certainly still be interested but won't have the time to coordinate
> > everything around this as always. GSoC's going crazy right now and I'm
> > doing stuff for too many orgs here.
> >
> > I hope I can work out a few rough proposals, post them here and let you
> > choose which you like so I can refine.
>
> OK, someone will need to make a couple of executive decisions though,
> as I won't be the person actually doing the workshops. :)
>
> > I think a few questions are missing for the workshops IMO:
> >
> > - How long should the workshop take? (Half day, day, two days possible?)
>
> It is planned for 1 full day right now (i.e. August 11th).
>
> > - What should participants be able to do after the workshop. (Helps
> setting
> > expectations right and usually also helps planning very much.)
>
> > Few organizational questiosn:
> >
> > - Do we have any idea about the target audience? Very important for
> > workshop holders to know.
>
> I am totally fine with you deciding on the exact audience.
>
> Ideally, I think it would be nice to have something that targets (local)
> students who are interested in free software and hopefully GNOME. So my
> guess is that it makes sense to expect some prior knowledge, but not much
> actual experience (e.g. they know what git is, but have never send a patch
> upstream).
>
> > - Will you be able to organize material locally? That usually includes
> lots
> > and lots of sticky notes and threeish pieces of custom printed paper per
> > participant. A projector with a few adaptors.
>
> Sorry, I didn't forward that list to you. We will provide a seminar
> room with the following:
>  * projector
>  * blackboard
>  * WiFi and 1-2 LAN ports
>  * multiway power extensions (1 socket per person)
>  * chairs/tables
>
> Adaptors are on my todo list to check and ping later. Anything else
> should be requested so we can organize something.
>
> Didn't think about paper/sticky notes before, sounds sensible to
> include that for all workshops.
>
> > - Are there tables, arrangeable for group work?
>
> Yes.
>
> > - For longer workshops, at least some water would be nice to prohibit
> > dehydration.
>
> Good point. Noted.
>
> > - It'd be great to have a BoF related or accompanying every workshop. A
> > very critical point is to get people to try out the stuff even after the
> > actual workshop. Knowing a place where they can come and hack *and ask*
> > would be awesome. IMO we should encourage workshoppers to organize a BoF.
>
> Oh, that is a good idea and easy to implement.
>
> > - Would be nice to have feedback sheets so we can measure the success and
> > impact of the workshops. This is one big experiement so let's not forget
> > gathering data.
>
> Interesting, thought. For whatever reason I hadn't considered that yet,
> even though I have done exactly the same thing for other events.
>
> Added it to my list. Biggest task is to figure out the questions to put
> on the sheets.
>
> Benjamin
>
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Lasse Schuirmann
> >
> > cont...@viperdev.io
> > http://viperdev.io/
> >
> > 2016-04-12 11:30 GMT+02:00 Benjamin Berg :
> >
> > >
> > > Hey,
> > >
> > > On Mi, 2016-01-27 at 14:27 +, David King wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have done some introductions to git and GNOME inspired
> Workflows,
> > > > > > maintaining projects properly in two universities recently and
> people
> > > > > > seemed to like it. I could think of turning this into a workshop
> if
> > > > > > there is demand.
> > > > > Yeah, something like a GIT and maybe FOSS basics workshop would be
> > > > > great to see!
> > > > I'd be happy to help plan and deliver these. I can only do them in
> > > > English, so some German speakers might be good too (hi Lasse!)
> > > are you two (Dave, Lasse) still interested?
> > >
> > > It would be great to have descriptions for the workshops up before
> > > registration starts. So if you are still up for it, then I would
> > > appreciate it if one of you could step up to coordinate the effort and
> > > decide more precisely what we can offer at GUADEC :)
> > >
> > > To be more specific, the information I am looking for is:
> > >  * Title of the workshop
> > >  * Short Description (for an overview page)
> > >  * Long Description (for detailed page)
> > >  * Expected prior knowledge
> > >  * Pre-Requisites for attendees (e.g. VM with certain packages)
> > >  * Minimum/Maximum number of Attendees
> > >  * Name of everyone giving the workshop
> > >  * Should your employer be listed as a sponsor?
> > >  * Will you need travel sponsorships?
> > >  * Optional: bio (+ image) for website
> > >
> > > Benjamin
> > >
>

Re: [guadec-list] Training workshops at GUADEC

[Benjamin Berg]

Hi,

On Di, 2016-04-12 at 11:45 +0200, Lasse Schuirmann wrote:
> I'd certainly still be interested but won't have the time to coordinate
> everything around this as always. GSoC's going crazy right now and I'm
> doing stuff for too many orgs here.
> 
> I hope I can work out a few rough proposals, post them here and let you
> choose which you like so I can refine.

OK, someone will need to make a couple of executive decisions though,
as I won't be the person actually doing the workshops. :)

> I think a few questions are missing for the workshops IMO:
> 
> - How long should the workshop take? (Half day, day, two days possible?)

It is planned for 1 full day right now (i.e. August 11th).

> - What should participants be able to do after the workshop. (Helps setting
> expectations right and usually also helps planning very much.)

> Few organizational questiosn:
> 
> - Do we have any idea about the target audience? Very important for
> workshop holders to know.

I am totally fine with you deciding on the exact audience.

Ideally, I think it would be nice to have something that targets (local) 
students who are interested in free software and hopefully GNOME. So my guess 
is that it makes sense to expect some prior knowledge, but not much actual 
experience (e.g. they know what git is, but have never send a patch upstream).

> - Will you be able to organize material locally? That usually includes lots
> and lots of sticky notes and threeish pieces of custom printed paper per
> participant. A projector with a few adaptors.

Sorry, I didn't forward that list to you. We will provide a seminar
room with the following:
 * projector
 * blackboard
 * WiFi and 1-2 LAN ports
 * multiway power extensions (1 socket per person)
 * chairs/tables

Adaptors are on my todo list to check and ping later. Anything else
should be requested so we can organize something.

Didn't think about paper/sticky notes before, sounds sensible to
include that for all workshops.

> - Are there tables, arrangeable for group work?

Yes.

> - For longer workshops, at least some water would be nice to prohibit
> dehydration.

Good point. Noted.

> - It'd be great to have a BoF related or accompanying every workshop. A
> very critical point is to get people to try out the stuff even after the
> actual workshop. Knowing a place where they can come and hack *and ask*
> would be awesome. IMO we should encourage workshoppers to organize a BoF.

Oh, that is a good idea and easy to implement.

> - Would be nice to have feedback sheets so we can measure the success and
> impact of the workshops. This is one big experiement so let's not forget
> gathering data.

Interesting, thought. For whatever reason I hadn't considered that yet,
even though I have done exactly the same thing for other events.

Added it to my list. Biggest task is to figure out the questions to put
on the sheets.

Benjamin

> Sincerely,
> 
> Lasse Schuirmann
> 
> cont...@viperdev.io
> http://viperdev.io/
> 
> 2016-04-12 11:30 GMT+02:00 Benjamin Berg :
> 
> > 
> > Hey,
> > 
> > On Mi, 2016-01-27 at 14:27 +, David King wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have done some introductions to git and GNOME inspired Workflows,
> > > > > maintaining projects properly in two universities recently and people
> > > > > seemed to like it. I could think of turning this into a workshop if
> > > > > there is demand.
> > > > Yeah, something like a GIT and maybe FOSS basics workshop would be
> > > > great to see!
> > > I'd be happy to help plan and deliver these. I can only do them in
> > > English, so some German speakers might be good too (hi Lasse!)
> > are you two (Dave, Lasse) still interested?
> > 
> > It would be great to have descriptions for the workshops up before
> > registration starts. So if you are still up for it, then I would
> > appreciate it if one of you could step up to coordinate the effort and
> > decide more precisely what we can offer at GUADEC :)
> > 
> > To be more specific, the information I am looking for is:
> >  * Title of the workshop
> >  * Short Description (for an overview page)
> >  * Long Description (for detailed page)
> >  * Expected prior knowledge
> >  * Pre-Requisites for attendees (e.g. VM with certain packages)
> >  * Minimum/Maximum number of Attendees
> >  * Name of everyone giving the workshop
> >  * Should your employer be listed as a sponsor?
> >  * Will you need travel sponsorships?
> >  * Optional: bio (+ image) for website
> > 
> > Benjamin
> > 

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Re: [guadec-list] Training workshops at GUADEC

[Lasse Schuirmann]

Hi,

I'd certainly still be interested but won't have the time to coordinate
everything around this as always. GSoC's going crazy right now and I'm
doing stuff for too many orgs here.

I hope I can work out a few rough proposals, post them here and let you
choose which you like so I can refine.

I think a few questions are missing for the workshops IMO:

- How long should the workshop take? (Half day, day, two days possible?)
- What should participants be able to do after the workshop. (Helps setting
expectations right and usually also helps planning very much.)

Few organizational questiosn:

- Do we have any idea about the target audience? Very important for
workshop holders to know.
- Will you be able to organize material locally? That usually includes lots
and lots of sticky notes and threeish pieces of custom printed paper per
participant. A projector with a few adaptors.
- Are there tables, arrangeable for group work?
- For longer workshops, at least some water would be nice to prohibit
dehydration.
- It'd be great to have a BoF related or accompanying every workshop. A
very critical point is to get people to try out the stuff even after the
actual workshop. Knowing a place where they can come and hack *and ask*
would be awesome. IMO we should encourage workshoppers to organize a BoF.
- Would be nice to have feedback sheets so we can measure the success and
impact of the workshops. This is one big experiement so let's not forget
gathering data.

Sincerely,

Lasse Schuirmann

cont...@viperdev.io
http://viperdev.io/

2016-04-12 11:30 GMT+02:00 Benjamin Berg :

> Hey,
>
> On Mi, 2016-01-27 at 14:27 +, David King wrote:
> > > > I have done some introductions to git and GNOME inspired Workflows,
> > > > maintaining projects properly in two universities recently and people
> > > > seemed to like it. I could think of turning this into a workshop if
> > > > there is demand.
> > > Yeah, something like a GIT and maybe FOSS basics workshop would be
> > > great to see!
> > I'd be happy to help plan and deliver these. I can only do them in
> > English, so some German speakers might be good too (hi Lasse!)
>
> are you two (Dave, Lasse) still interested?
>
> It would be great to have descriptions for the workshops up before
> registration starts. So if you are still up for it, then I would
> appreciate it if one of you could step up to coordinate the effort and
> decide more precisely what we can offer at GUADEC :)
>
> To be more specific, the information I am looking for is:
>  * Title of the workshop
>  * Short Description (for an overview page)
>  * Long Description (for detailed page)
>  * Expected prior knowledge
>  * Pre-Requisites for attendees (e.g. VM with certain packages)
>  * Minimum/Maximum number of Attendees
>  * Name of everyone giving the workshop
>  * Should your employer be listed as a sponsor?
>  * Will you need travel sponsorships?
>  * Optional: bio (+ image) for website
>
> Benjamin
>
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Re: [guadec-list] Training workshops at GUADEC

[Benjamin Berg]

Hey,

On Mi, 2016-01-27 at 14:27 +, David King wrote:
> > > I have done some introductions to git and GNOME inspired Workflows,
> > > maintaining projects properly in two universities recently and people
> > > seemed to like it. I could think of turning this into a workshop if
> > > there is demand.
> > Yeah, something like a GIT and maybe FOSS basics workshop would be
> > great to see!
> I'd be happy to help plan and deliver these. I can only do them in 
> English, so some German speakers might be good too (hi Lasse!)

are you two (Dave, Lasse) still interested?

It would be great to have descriptions for the workshops up before
registration starts. So if you are still up for it, then I would
appreciate it if one of you could step up to coordinate the effort and
decide more precisely what we can offer at GUADEC :)

To be more specific, the information I am looking for is:
 * Title of the workshop
 * Short Description (for an overview page)
 * Long Description (for detailed page)
 * Expected prior knowledge
 * Pre-Requisites for attendees (e.g. VM with certain packages)
 * Minimum/Maximum number of Attendees
 * Name of everyone giving the workshop
 * Should your employer be listed as a sponsor?
 * Will you need travel sponsorships?
 * Optional: bio (+ image) for website

Benjamin


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