Re: [h-cost] chemise
I love it, I love it all. You are so very talented, and very inspirational. I love the red corset with the ribbons over the seams. It just makes it so much more elegant and yummy. Someday I hope to achieve what you do... when I have time away from little babies. Thanks for sharing your work again. Kimiko At 03:36 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote: Hi, Yesterday i worked on the chemise. Took me all day to gather lace to the neckline. I used gathered whipstitches to attach the lace to the chemise. Picture of the neckline with the stays are in the top where the pictures of the stays starts. I also have added a picture of how the sleave flounces ended up. I scalloped them, they are doubble. And i sewed on a nice ribbon to hide the zig-zag line of the machine stitches. The sleave laces are going to be attched to the sleaves of the chemise today.. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm I have made flounces of cotton tulle in the same mesh as my lace is. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Order of the Garter.... Garter
This book is the one it was featured in: V&A Museum's catalogue ' Gothic - Art for England 1400-1547' Cat 81. ISBN 1851774017. If anyone has it on hand... can you check and see if it's of any use to me? otherwise I'll just wait till the book comes in on ILL. :-) Kathy Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: British Order of the Garter with pix
Kimiko, I am working with Raymond's Quiet Press on this one. When I get the condition report and obverse photo from Anglesey House, he'll be better able to decide if he wishes to pursue making it. I on the other hand am working on getting the book this item is featured in, hopefully it has some dimensional information in it. Hopefully they have already sent me the file photo they promised. Once I have enough source material I can draw out a full scale cartoon of the embroidery. I can forward that over to you once I have finished with it, along with yardage requirements. Busy, busy busy... :-) Kathy > Oooh, if so, please let us know who that metalsmith > is. My husband needs a > garter of that order for his Elizabethan character > (George Clifford, Earl > of Cumberland). > > And thanks for sharing. Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Eterna Silk (was Re: BUtterick 18th C)
At 08:35 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote: And I, being curious, checked out their website: http://www.eternasilk.com/ WOW! Of course, the closest dealer is 2+ hours from me. Why this city isn't considered big enough for nice companies, I don't know. We are just getting a Pottery Barn, for goodness sake. Kimiko Feeling grumpy about having to always buy things online if I want nice stuff to play with. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick stays
On Thursday 17 November 2005 9:29 am, Mia Dappert wrote: [snip] > And what's on my dress form? My dress form is a hanger on the wall too, > and it's holding the under lining for a 1760-70s shot silk taffeta > Brunswick gown, sort of like the one shown in one of the Dress in 18th > Cent.Books by Ribiero?/Buck? (I don't have the citation) It's the one of > Lady Mary Fox, later Baroness Holland (ca. 1767), with darling red and > white stripped ribbons on her elbows, a really fetching cap with lace and > more of the little red and white stripped ribbbons, and she's carrying a > little dog. I have the lining done, I have it silk cut out. Now to find > the time. I have too much invested in the material for it to become a > passed over project. Sounds charming! I hope to see a picture of it sometime. -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Physics is like sex; sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."--Richard Feynman ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Anne Buck
One of the ones on my wish list - and that I use at the local library till I get it! Amazon UK has two - priced at 32 (gbp*) and 70+ (gbp*) Paul Meekins the bookseller has a copy listed at 55 (gbp) Is very out of print, being from around 25 years ago. Price probably depends on condition, and whether the seller knows what it's worth or not. Ebay's worth keeping an eye on, too, alhtough it doesn't have a copy right now. Debs PS sorry about the 'gbp' thing - US configured keyboard won't do pound sign > :( ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [Fwd: Re: Website question about 17th century bodice find]
DuhI guess I should remember the email list doesn't accept attachments. It looks like I will have to write the Manchester museum via snail mailthey don't accept email inquiries. Sg WickedFrau wrote: There ya have it: It is real. I will contact the Manchester museum to see if I can find out anything more. Sg Laraine Ansley wrote: Hi there, The museum is: The Gallery of English Costume, Platt Fields, Manchester. It is open to the public but you may have to ring first as Manchester have reduced some opening times and you need to check. Information about the gallery should be accessible via the Manchester Art Galleries website. If you have problems getting in touch, come back to me and I'll find you other info. We saw some photos of the bodice at our meeting in Settle but we do not have the copyright on the pictures so have nothing on our website yet. It is a very attractive piece and quite unique.We ought to be able to do something about pictures once the conservation has been done, I think. */"Saragrace T. Knauf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Hello, I was reading on your website about this bodice: http://www.nsct.fsnet.co.uk/20050924.html Can you tell me what museum in Manchester has this bodice? There are a number of folks on a historic costume email list who have just heard about it and would love to see some photos. Any information on where it will be exhibited would also be appreciated. Thanks, Saragrace Knauf Best wishes, Rae ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] [Fwd: Re: Website question about 17th century bodice find]
There ya have it: It is real. I will contact the Manchester museum to see if I can find out anything more. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] chemise
As always, just incredible! Susan - Original Message - From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] chemise Hi, Yesterday i worked on the chemise. Took me all day to gather lace to the neckline. I used gathered whipstitches to attach the lace to the chemise. Picture of the neckline with the stays are in the top where the pictures of the stays starts. I also have added a picture of how the sleave flounces ended up. I scalloped them, they are doubble. And i sewed on a nice ribbon to hide the zig-zag line of the machine stitches. The sleave laces are going to be attched to the sleaves of the chemise today.. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm I have made flounces of cotton tulle in the same mesh as my lace is. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Eterna Silk (was Re: BUtterick 18th C)
Bjarne wrote: I should like if you baught some Eterna Stranded silk floss for me in stead and have the company send for me. ** And I, being curious, checked out their website: http://www.eternasilk.com/ WOW! Be sure to check out the designer showcase, it's way cool! Kate McClure Who really doesn't need more floss, but that's never stopped me before . . . ;) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Anne Buck
At 08:02 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote: Amazon has it, but the price varies. It is shown 2 places. One of the prices are nearly 78 pounds, wich i find expensive, another price is 32 pounds. Is this because they are used books? Bjarne Are you are looking for "Dress in Eighteenth Century England"? The most expensive copy listed on Amazon (USA) is $50 USD; the least expensive is $39.52. I don't know what the shipping cost would be, but it should not be too high. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/offer-listing/0841905177/ref=dp_olp_2//103-8085395-7349433?condition=all Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Anne Buck
Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Amazon has it, but the price varies. It is shown 2 places. One of the prices are nearly 78 pounds, wich i find expensive, another price is 32 pounds. Is this because they are used books? You're talking about "Dress in Eighteenth Century England" ? Amazon.com (US site) has it for $39, which should be a lot less than 32 Euro. It looks very much out of print, so yes, those would be used copies, although it looks like some are more used than others. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Vocabulary of Basic Terms for Cataloguing Costume
this was an interesting site but very Anglo-centric. Some American museum curator needs to chime in with the American terms for many of those items. For instance: the British term "braces" for men's suspenders was there and the British term "Suspender belt" was there for a woman's garter belt. Both things that most Americans would need a translator for (and who knows what English as a Second Language speakers would need). Anyone with good language skills and time on their hands could probably give them some input for American costume vocabulary. 6. FYI- Vocabulary of Basic Terms for Cataloguing Costume > (david webb) -- > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:55:47 -0500 > From: david webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [h-cost] FYI- Vocabulary of Basic Terms for Cataloguing > Costume > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I wondered if others might find this interesting: > > http://www.mda.org.uk/costume/vbt00e.htm > > Vocabulary of Basic Terms for Cataloguing Costume, ICOM International > Committee for the Museums and Collections of Costume > > It's broken down by men's and women's clothing, etc. and includes basic > line drawings. A bit basic, but if your mind goes blank trying to think of > a clothing term, it could be useful sometime. > > Sheridan Alder > > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Anne Buck
Probably... Meant to send this out a couple of days ago as a reference for us new folk :) http://tinyurl.com/7l65z It's a list of books that I felt most people would like to have as a reference guide. Good luck Bjarne and I hope you come accross a copy of Ann's book soon. Chris G. Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Amazon has it, but the price varies. It is shown 2 places. One of the prices are nearly 78 pounds, wich i find expensive, another price is 32 pounds. Is this because they are used books? Bjarne - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re:Eterna Silk
Bjarne, Did you see that contest that they're running? The money prizez are not that spectacular, but They are giving winners large collections of their silk thread. And ANY of your things are as good, if not better that the things that won prizes. Your work snow off thier product very nicely Mia in Charlotte, NC - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick stays
I made the stay's and find them comfortable. I changed the angle of the front straps and the placing of the boning. The boning is plastic. You can see pictures of it here, http://mystictimes.nl/Verkoop/Verkoop.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Anne Buck
Amazon has it, but the price varies. It is shown 2 places. One of the prices are nearly 78 pounds, wich i find expensive, another price is 32 pounds. Is this because they are used books? Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Anne Buck
Hi I remember i had this book of Anne Buck. Is this the book thar has a large colour photo of a yellow francaise dress with lots of gathered decorations on it? I think it has silver edged to the fabric trim. I really mis that book, and wondered is it still available today. Once many years ago when i couldnt find a job with my costuming, i got so mad that i sold all my costume books. I have collected back most of them, but this is one of those i never got again. What a mad thing to do, but i did! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C
Elizabeth Walpole wrote: I was actually planning on using a commercial pattern for a class aimed at new costumers, I'm considering offering some members of my local SCA group a tutorial on my method of taking a readily available commercial pattern with Princess seams and turning it into a cone shaped 16th century bodice without princess seams I would suggest Butterick 3071 or 6196 then. I've adapted both of those. Or 4154, which has a sleeve. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C
In a message dated 11/17/2005 10:25:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And remember, tell them a pattern is just the starting point [but it's important to get the shapes right]. A garment still has to be fitted so if things are just spot on in the pattern, don't panic! * That should read: A garment still has to be fitted so if things are NOT just spot on in the pattern, don't panic! Nothing like saying the exact opposite of what you mean! :-P ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C
In a message dated 11/17/2005 4:58:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was actually planning on using a commercial pattern for a class aimed at
new costumers, I'm considering offering some members of my local SCA group a
tutorial on my method of taking a readily available commercial pattern with
Princess seams and turning it into a cone shaped 16th century bodice without
princess seams (I've tried to explain my method here
http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/SiL/Fixing_SiL.html#Bodice but there's
nothing like a hands on demonstration). And as Butterick patterns are on
sale at the moment I thought this might be a good option.
I use commercial "fitting shells" all the time to get shoulder slopes and
neck curves and stuff like that. There's no need to start with a "costume"
pattern. Start with what we use to draft up in school from measurements... a
"sloper". But why draft it up when all the major pattern companies have done it
for you...or the "fitting shell". [they usually have 1960s darting to fit the
front...y'know, a dart under the bust and one on the side.]
As far princess line patterns... an 18th century open robe with a stomacher
shouldn't be too hard to tweak from one. But forget the costume pattern and
start with the simplest princess line dress you can.
And remember, tell them a pattern is just the starting point [but it's
important to get the shapes right]. A garment still has to be fitted so if
things
are just spot on in the pattern, don't panic! {and of course an 18th century
bodice isn't ever gonna fit right w/out the corset under it.]
Boy is that Butterick pattern a laugh riot! Yuk!
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[h-cost] Re: BUtterick stays
I just looked at my cut out pattern for the butterick stays, the very next project (well maybe, or maybe a new 18c fancy pants waistcoat for my husbands birthday, and finish my...) The shape of these stays is not the classic ice cream cone shape of the middle 18c years (ala J.P. Ryan's patterns) It is more of the ...latter years shape kind of like that champagne saucer glass, smaller waist, bigger bosom, but more flaired. Pardon my description, I know it's not very good. And what's on my dress form? My dress form is a hanger on the wall too, and it's holding the under lining for a 1760-70s shot silk taffeta Brunswick gown, sort of like the one shown in one of the Dress in 18th Cent.Books by Ribiero?/Buck? (I don't have the citation) It's the one of Lady Mary Fox, later Baroness Holland (ca. 1767), with darling red and white stripped ribbons on her elbows, a really fetching cap with lace and more of the little red and white stripped ribbbons, and she's carrying a little dog. I have the lining done, I have it silk cut out. Now to find the time. I have too much invested in the material for it to become a passed over project. 18c Mia in CHarlotte, NC - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Slightly OT: Rope Makers?
I believe the cheaper of the two was used to make favors for our shire. One of the members made several more for the ladies to use at 1/2 the cost. Mostly what they were used for was making cording for jewelery. Brin Kendall Lauren Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Has anybody used either the "Schacht Incredible Rope Machine" or the "Leonardo Rope Maker", which costs about half what the Schacht does, and is supposedly based on a design by Leonardo DaVinci? I am thinking of getting one for some passementerie I want to make to decorate my living room -- curtain tie-backs, for instance -- but I can tell that once I have it, twisted-cord trim will be showing up in my costuming, too. Has anybody played with these toys? The pictures are so small on most Web sites that it is hard to tell whether they are easy to use or anything else about them, so any first-hand info would be appreciated. Thanks! Lauren -- Lauren M. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train." -- Morihei Ueshiba ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] has anyone used Butterick 4485 (18th century court gown)?
- Original Message - From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] has anyone used Butterick 4485 (18th century court gown)? Hi Elizabeth, I know it is hard for you when you cant drape on a dress stand. But why dont you do like this: Bjarne, Thanks for the advice, but I was not planning to use this pattern for myself. It's for a class I was planning to teach for new costumers. I'm in the SCA (a medieval and renaissance group) I was going to try to teach some newcomers that there is a middle ground between drafting your own patterns (or buying expensive patterns from a small pattern company) and using a major commercial pattern as it is (which produces the wrong shape). I thought some of them might appreciate something other than the basic tunic that SCA people usually teach newcomers to make (e.g. http://www.sca.org.au/politarchopolis/library/tunic.php or the more period way http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/beginners/FirstGarb.html which is becoming more popular all the time) My original plan was to base this class on how to turn Simplicity's version of the costumes from the Movie "Shakespeare in Love" (I've even written a webpage on it http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/SiL/Fixing_SiL.html) into a more accurate 16th century gown. Then it occoured to me that if I used a pattern with the right basic shape I wouldn't have to modify the bodice as much (though it would obviously still need some changes), given that Butterick has also released an 18th cenutry stays pattern I thought that this bodice might be designed to be worn over those stays instead of modern underwear like all the other major commercial patterns. I will hang onto your advice, for enlarging using drawing software, but I don't have a scanner so for now I'm going to have to do it by hand (I've done it successfully for one polonaise gown from Patterns of Fashion1 and one 1850s corset from Corsets and Crinolines). Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] chemise
Hi, Yesterday i worked on the chemise. Took me all day to gather lace to the neckline. I used gathered whipstitches to attach the lace to the chemise. Picture of the neckline with the stays are in the top where the pictures of the stays starts. I also have added a picture of how the sleave flounces ended up. I scalloped them, they are doubble. And i sewed on a nice ribbon to hide the zig-zag line of the machine stitches. The sleave laces are going to be attched to the sleaves of the chemise today.. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm I have made flounces of cotton tulle in the same mesh as my lace is. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C
Hello Mia and others Now when i am working on an 18th century sack dress i would not mind to draw some patterns of this dress. I also have the corset pattern and the pannier. But i made this dress for a tall lady who also has a tall body, but if someone was interrested, i would not mind to draw a paper pattern to you of this. But as i think perhaps more than one would like this, i would like to have a favour in return. I should like if you baught some Eterna Stranded silk floss for me in stead and have the company send for me. I dont know how much such a pattern would be worth, but it would take about an hour or so to make each paper pattern. Let me know if someone was interrested, and please email me privately... Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Mia Dappert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C I passed on this one, cause the back was not even faintly like any 18th Cent garments I have come into contact with. It did not even meet the "Oh it's only $1.99/.99 and I can do something with it." criteria. But my direction is more authentic than costume. I did get the accomanying stays pattern because is WAS correct in shape. If you are looking for a good pattern and more in the authentic line, you would do better with one of the smaller companies. You would even do better enlarging from a book (yes Bjarne, cutting and draping is easy too, but you have skills way beyond my humble talents. All I can make without a pattern is a petticoat!!) Seems to me I remember hearing rumors that one of the OTHER pattern companies, Simplicity in the Martha McCain/Fashion Historian line was thinking about doing something 18 cent. in the near future. That might solve your availability problems since doesn't Simplicity sell in Australia??. 18c Cent Mia in Charlotte, who was 1890s Mia last weekend. - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] has anyone used Butterick 4485 (18th century court gown)?
Hi Elizabeth, I know it is hard for you when you cant drape on a dress stand. But why dont you do like this: It requires that you have the patterns books off cause, a computer and a drawingprogram like for instance Corel Draw. You can scan in the pattern you want, open it in your drawing program. Meassure a point of yourself where you want the pattern to be the same meassure. Take for instance your bodice side meassure. Find the bodice side meassure in the book. You then have that your own bodice side is, say (30cm.) The meassure of the pattern side bodice is ( 2,8cm) Now you devide 30 with 2,8 cm wich is 10,714 This means that you have to enlarge your pattern 1071,4 % In the drawing programme there is a tab where you can resamble your pattern. Place in 1071,4 % and it will enlarge your pattern in the meassures you want. My drawing program also can print out the whole pattern in A4 papers. It can tile the big picture and print out all the pattern parts. This gives you an excakt print of the book pattern. I often use this method when i make new corsets. You have to work on this original pattern to fit your own body off cause, but that you also have to do with finished cut out patterns. I know that the skirts are huge to print out, but you could use it to get the right bodice construktion. Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Elizabeth Walpole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historic Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] has anyone used Butterick 4485 (18th century court gown)? hello to the list, I know we discussed this pattern when it first came out, but I was wondering if anybody has actually looked at it and worked out if it's designed to be worn over the corset (the pictures on the website aren't clear)? If the bodice is cut to be worn over a cone shaped foundation it could be really useful as a base for several time periods. Whilst the skirt may not be to everyone's taste a bodice that's already got the period silhouette right without needing to get rid of the curved princess seams could be a valuable pattern to have, and certainly a much better starting point for beginners than the ones designed to be worn over a bra. Obviously the back seams are in the wrong place for all the periods I can think of but it's still a better starting point than any of the other big 3 patterns. I ask because I was thinking of teaching a class on removing princess seams so people can create an Elizabethan bodice from a commercial pattern, but if this one is already in the right shape I'd probably recommend it as a bodice pattern. Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C
- Original Message - From: "Mia Dappert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: BUtterick 18th C I passed on this one, cause the back was not even faintly like any 18th Cent garments I have come into contact with. It did not even meet the "Oh it's only $1.99/.99 and I can do something with it." criteria. But my direction is more authentic than costume. I did get the accomanying stays pattern because is WAS correct in shape. If you are looking for a good pattern and more in the authentic line, you would do better with one of the smaller companies. You would even do better enlarging from a book (yes Bjarne, cutting and draping is easy too, but you have skills way beyond my humble talents. All I can make without a pattern is a petticoat!!) I have actualy sized up a pattern from Patterns of Fashion 1, the Polonaise with the back cut en fourreau (I've probably misspelt that but I don't have the book with me to check) for myself (though I did make the mistake of making the shoulders wider when I enlarged it to my measurements) but it took me a few years to work up the courage to do that. I was actually planning on using a commercial pattern for a class aimed at new costumers, I'm considering offering some members of my local SCA group a tutorial on my method of taking a readily available commercial pattern with Princess seams and turning it into a cone shaped 16th century bodice without princess seams (I've tried to explain my method here http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/SiL/Fixing_SiL.html#Bodice but there's nothing like a hands on demonstration). And as Butterick patterns are on sale at the moment I thought this might be a good option. Seems to me I remember hearing rumors that one of the OTHER pattern companies, Simplicity in the Martha McCain/Fashion Historian line was thinking about doing something 18 cent. in the near future. That might solve your availability problems since doesn't Simplicity sell in Australia??. 18c Cent Mia in Charlotte, who was 1890s Mia last weekend. I could wait until Martha McCain does her 18th century patterns but I hoped to do this for any new members we get from the recruitment drive at the beginning of next semester (around the end of Febuary as we're about to go on Summer hollidays here). I thought that if this Butterick pattern already has a cone shaped bodice it's easier to alter that than one designed to be worn over a bra (no eliminating a curve, just eliminating one straight seam) Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
