[h-cost] RE: subject lines
Fran wrote: Anyone who wishes is welcome to filter out all my emails by my sender address, or any other means their email program or ISP supports. Unless a person is receiving digest format, in which case you get all the good and bad anyway, scan subjects, and choose from there. The fact people don't change subject lines often means I scan subjects, scroll down through the digest, find what is being currently discussed has nothing to do with the subject, and so I delete. A goodly number of digests end up being deleted because I grow weary having to sort through all the messages of a digest, scroll through all the un-snipped background, or in some cases, entire digests. Not to be a wet blanket, but people don't change subject lines. They aren't going to use prefixes with any consistency either. Not here. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.5rivers.org ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] h-cost: subject lines & reinventing the wheel
Fran wrote: >My opinions are as valid as yours. Ditto, which is why I suggested simply skimming/deleting. To be honest, I can't see how anyone finds the second or two it takes to realise a message isn't worth reading a real and serious drain on their time (since I get the digest). If I'm too busy, I just let the mail pile up and get on with whatever is so important. Maybe you're on too many lists? (I unsubscribed from a lot last year for the same reason, BION). >Meanwhile, I am trying to present a constructive solution that might help you >and others. Dandy. >I gave up subscribing to digests for any list as soon as I discovered filters, >precisely because filters are much more efficient. Yup, I filter /lots/ - but the sheer volume here means that a digest is by far the quickest way to get through the noise-to-content and find out what I need. >The point is not whether people should be warm-hearted and help each other. >The point is whether on an >unrelated list they should keep all or most of it >to private email. Two things: helping people is - for me - what makes the net useful. Whether that's all the assistance I've had from the people on this list or copying pages from a book for someone or donating stuff after a natural disaster: none of it would be possible without the internet and this list. When it goes off topic - and yup, it does it more than I'd like sometimes - I just zip past. The second is that I don't see the point (and this is /not/ personal) in complaining about it since it really honestly doesn't affect my life that much and people are needing to chat/talk/share unrelated info. If they need to, fine, I don't usually. That's all. >Insstead of presenting a situation whether either you or I have to quit >h-costume, and perhaps asking other >people to take sides as to which of us >should quit, why not do or suggest something constructive? I don't think that is an option, is it? It isn't a duel at the OK Corral and I certainly hadn't seen it like that - until you suggested it! As for other folk taking sides... I think that a) we're all adults and b) the debate is rather more about the relative tolerance of chat and noise outside costuming. That is going to vary with each individual and how they feel that hour/day. It's certainly nothing more personal than that and I assumed you wouldn't take it as such, given previous discussions. IF people feel like saying OT in a header why not see if it works, informally? I know that discussions are often taken off list but it would be a shame if people took costume related chat offline in case anyone got ticked off and we missed out. Me, I'd rather wade through miles of "how cool" than miss where the original inspiration for the garment/research/technique came from. YMMV, as they say. Katherine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...)
Not being a computer person, I don't know if this is possible: When you have a "reply" to a post, whether it is a contribution or just a compliment, would it be possible to make the computer automatically put a "reply" notice in the topic window, along with the original topic line? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 10:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...) > Can we kill this discussion? > There's nothing wrong with this list. > If something comes up that you don't want to read, don't read it. If > you > accidentally read something you find to be a waste of time, well boo hoo! Who > here has spent any significant amount of time reading such things? Like many other people on the list, there are _some_ messages you don't want to process at all--or you would not ask to have a discussion killed instead of just ignoring those messages. I understand. I feel the same way. When it became clear that people had different ideas about which discussions are irrelevant and uninteresting, I proposed the idea of filters to see what people thought of it. Some like the idea, some don't. OK. Any inference (not yours, I know) that I'm trying to take over h-costume or impose standards on everyone by making such a suggestion is absurd--it's not even technically possible. So, now we can all go back to flaming each other and asking for discussions to be killed whenever =someone gets bored. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE: subject lines
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote: > Not to be a wet blanket, but people don't change subject lines. They > aren't going to use prefixes with any consistency either. Not here. It may be possible that it's a lost cause. But couldn't we try? :) If everyone spent thirty seconds more for each post to trim the quotes and double-check the subject line, I think that would be a huge step in a direction that many of us would be very happy with. The problem that someone mentioned of making the subject line describe a post with several different topics, can easily be solved by making a separate post per topic. That way it's also easier to catch the eye of the people who know something about the specific topics, and so everyone gains from it - the poster gets more specific replies, interested parties find good discussions, and those not interested can delete. To me, the "just delete what you don't like" is fair advice in a group like this - but the fact of the matter is that it doesn't work if you can't be sure what's in a post before you've read the entire thing. So if everyone just takes a second to glance at the subject line before they post, that really does help a lot. :) Ingrid -- Follow your dreams. Unless it's the one where you go to work naked. -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] exhibit of interest
Dear Julian, Unfortunately, we are not going to the UK this year, but this exhibit in Manchester looks quite interesting: Clothing Culture: Dress in Egypt in the First Millennium AD http://www.whitworth.man.ac.uk/collections/search/display-exh/index.htm?irn=858&QueryPage=%2Fcollections%2Fsearch%2Fexhibitions%2Findex.htm I'll have to tack down a copy of the catalogue! Beth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] exhibit of interest
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > Unfortunately, we are not going to the UK this year, but this exhibit in > Manchester looks quite interesting: > Clothing Culture: Dress in Egypt in the First Millennium AD > http://www.whitworth.man.ac.uk/collections/search/display-exh/index.htm?irn=858&QueryPage=%2Fcollections%2Fsearch%2Fexhibitions%2Findex.htm > > I'll have to tack down a copy of the catalogue! I have a flyer for it right here. The title is the same as the exhibit; author is Frances Pritchard, the Curator for Textiles there. 160 pages, 195 illustrations. ISBN 0-903261-57-X. Price is 25 English pounds (sorry, can't get the pound sign quickly in this program). Shipping in the UK is 5.50 pounds, rest of Europe 7 pounds, rest of world 14 pounds airmail or 7 pounds surface mail. To order, contact: The Whitworth Art Gallery University of Manchester Oxford Road Manchester, M15 6ER ENGLAND e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] an open note to Fran [others don't read it if you don't want to]
In a message dated 7/18/2006 1:16:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, now we can all go back to flaming each other and asking for discussions to be killed whenever =someone gets bored. *** The initial discussion was actually OK...but it went on and on. You are a valuable member of the list, and I meant no personal attack...on ANYBODY. And, anyway, you books on bustle gowns just get better and better every time I open them! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE: subject lines
Unless a person is receiving digest format, in which case you get all the good and bad anyway, scan subjects, and choose from there. That is why I find individual messages to be more efficient than digests. You can set up a mail folder for a specific e-group, and have all messages from that group automatically directed to it on downloa. You can then skim through the subject headers without reading the emails just as if it were a digest. You can filter all emails from specific senders, and subjects of frequent occurence and definite disinterest, directly into your trash folder, and so on. I do agree that accurate subject lines, with or without prefixes such as CHAT:, are an excellent thing. I also like Yahoo lists because you can drop in and read emails now and then whenever you feel like it, without receiving messages automatically, or you can receive them automatically if you prefer. Yahoo also keeps archives. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Flat caps...
HI Not to interrupt the subject line discussion or anything but how late were the 'flat caps' (ones that look like a short stack) worn? In England? In the American Colonies? I've seen a ref on the web that suggests they lingered in London long enough to become a slang ID for Londoners, but no dates no back up refs. Thanks Carol --something new on the needles! -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] an open note to Fran [others don't read it if you don't want to]
I know you didn't mean a personal attack on me, Albert. Which was why I was unable to resist saying that--I knew you wouldn't take it as one either. And I would hope you know I think you're a valuable list member too. So, how do you feel about a FLAME: prefix? Fran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/18/2006 1:16:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, now we can all go back to flaming each other and asking for discussions to be killed whenever =someone gets bored. *** The initial discussion was actually OK...but it went on and on. You are a valuable member of the list, and I meant no personal attack...on ANYBODY. And, anyway, you books on bustle gowns just get better and better every time I open them! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Bodiced Petticoats - Regency
I'm making a bodiced petticoat, based off of the picture in _The History of Underclothes_ by the Cunnington's. Unfortunately, it's from the 1820s but it was the only picture of a bodiced petticoat I could find (the others were all re-drawings), so that's why I went with that one. If you have pictures of extant bodiced petticoat's that are earlier, I'd appreciate the references, even if the photos aren't as clear as we might wish :-) I am draping the bodiced petticoat myself, so I can't give you any recommendations vis-à-vis patterns. For fabric I'm using cotton muslin (due to cost and availability issues). I believe that for the early regency era they would likely have used linen, rather then cotton (I can't remember where I ran across that info, as I've been very surprised by how little there is on regency underclothes...it may have been from the documentation in Kannik's Corner's "Woman's Shift 1790-1820" pattern - which is adorable! Even if it is a trifle fussy to make.) Sorry to not be more helpful. -sunny ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE: subject lines
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Lavolta Press wrote: > I also like Yahoo lists because you can drop in and read emails now > and then whenever you feel like it, without receiving messages > automatically, or you can receive them automatically if you prefer. > Yahoo also keeps archives. H-cost is now archived in two or three places, and you can choose to read online rather than getting messages automatically (though you would probably want to reply from your own e-mail box). http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.studies.history.costume http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/index.html I've found these useful for keeping up with the list while I am traveling. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Elizabethan doublet issues
Hello, I post rarely, but I do have a question, and due to the heat, or just natural issues with geometry, I'm having a problem with Margot Anderson's doublet pattern. I've sewn up a number of them, the sewing goes great, and they used to fit before I put on some weight. The doublet still fits through the body, butthey no longer fit at the collarbone, which is an odd spot for a fitting issue. I can't fasten the buttons, even after moving them onto the edge binding, so that some of the smock shows behind the buttonhole. Does anyone have a suggestion for where to add the extra material, or how to add it, so that it isn't obvious? Considering the amount of work I've put into them (average 20 handmade, pearled, buttons, and buttonholes on each one; plus, embroidery inspired by Bjarne) I'd rather not give them to the Barony's loaner garb. Many thanks for any suggestions, Robert of Stonemarche ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: exhibit of interest
Thanks for the additional details, Robin. I have an email to the Whitworth already on the way... Beth > Clothing Culture: Dress in Egypt in the First Millennium AD > I'll have to track down a copy of the catalogue! Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:00:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton I have a flyer for it right here. The title is the same as the exhibit; author is Frances Pritchard, the Curator for Textiles there. 160 pages, 195 illustrations. ISBN 0-903261-57-X. Price is 25 English pounds (sorry, can't get the pound sign quickly in this program). Shipping in the UK is 5.50 pounds, rest of Europe 7 pounds, rest of world 14 pounds airmail or 7 pounds surface mail. To order, contact: The Whitworth Art Gallery University of Manchester Oxford Road Manchester, M15 6ER ENGLAND e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan doublet issues
Robert Dorr wrote: The doublet still fits through the body, butthey no longer fit at the collarbone, which is an odd spot for a fitting issue. I can't fasten the buttons, even after moving them onto the edge binding, so that some of the smock shows behind the buttonhole. Could this be because of added weight at the upper chest and back? Can you put inserts into the center back or back side seams to widen the back? Something like a narrow strip of contrasting bias which could look like a seam trim? Perhaps slashes across the upper chest area? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] h-cost: subject lines & reinventing the wheel
>To be honest, I can't see how anyone finds the second or two it takes >to realise a message isn't worth reading a real and serious drain on >their time (since I get the digest). You've heard my opinions on digests versus filters. >If I'm too busy, I just let the mail pile up and get on with whatever >is so important. Maybe you're on too many lists? (I unsubscribed from a >lot last year for the same reason, BION). H-costume and the translators' list are the only ones from which I receive messages directly, that have any high volume of mail. I'm on a couple of others that are in the three-emails-a-day category. The thing is: There are enormous quantities of information available on the Internet and elsewhere. The ability to sort out what information you want, from what you don't, is increasingly important. The most efficient solutions are technical, not manual. One thing I really want, BTW, is better search engines. Partly as in, ones that don't sort the top results by how much advertising the owners of those websites bought from the search engine company. And I believe in saving ten minutes where I can, because time really adds up (or subtracts down). For example, my computer takes only a few minutes to boot; but unless I'm trying to write down error messages from a problem, there is no point in staring at the monitor when I can make a cup of tea and a fast breakfast during that time (I eat breakfast and lunch at my keyboard). Or, I don't like having a bath or a shower as dead time. So every time I go to take a shower I decide on a specific problem to solve that is probably solvable in that amount of time. Like a difficult paragraph or two to write. Or a specific decision to make. Usually I come out with the answer. I also sometimes set problems for thinking about at odd hours during the night, if I wake up. Especially for the time right after I wake up in the morning and have the dilemma about how to get up to drink some caffeine, without the energy the caffeine gives me to get up. The problem gives me something useful to do in the meantime. I get a lot done that way. BTW, a number of writers have told me these tips were useful to them, so maybe they will be for some people on this list. I also spend most of my hours processing information, by reading, writing, and thinking. There's a lot more of it available than I can ever process, so throwing out all the info I don't want to read is extremely important to me. I've got thousands of books, and I've got a couple of hundred on my immediate to-read pile. And there is a lot of information on the Internet, which is a pain to sort out because there is such a high proportion of it that I don't want. However, I figure that many other people feel the same way, or they wouldn't complain about subject lines and snipping. >Two things: helping people is - for me - what makes the net useful. For me, what makes the Internet useful is information. I spend my whole professional life trying to be useful. That's what writing is about, especially nonfiction. If you're any good, professional writing is never about you, even when it appears to be. It's always about the reader--what will inform the reader, entertain the reader, do for the reader whatever that publication is supposed to do. >The second is that I don't see the >point (and this is /not/ personal) >in complaining about it since it >really honestly doesn't affect my >life that much and people are needing >to chat/talk/share unrelated >info. If they need to, fine, I don't >usually. That's all. I complained, then I moved on to trying to solve the problem with the technical solutions that are available and that I believe to be most effective. I see no problem in also offering those solutions to others. As I said, I'm not normally a chat person--and BTW most of this message qualifies as chat from my point of view. I want all conversations to be informative, interesting, challenging, productive. My favorite people have always been computer geeks or science nerds. They're never boring and they get straight to the point. I'd much rather be around people who are intelligent than people who are conventionally "nice." Especially since niceness and kindness are not the same thing, just as belonging to a clique is not the same thing as friendship. >It isn't a duel at the OK Corral and I certainly hadn't seen it like >that - until you suggested it! Come on. It would be a great event. Although I'd actually prefer rapiers at dawn for an earlier era, if you don't mind. More romantic, and I'd look awful in a cowboy hat. > Me, I'd rather wade through miles of "how cool" than miss where the > original inspiration for the garment/research/technique came from. YMMV, > as they say. Now there is where we definitely disagree. If I could avoid wading through 100% of the stuff that doesn't interest me I'd be overjoyed. Fran
Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!)
In a message dated 7/17/2006 12:09:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any suggestions? (polite ones thank you). No sign of zips this colour in the locale so I could always take it out and put in a regular one but this is so cool and makes it look like just another seam... until you get to the tab at the top! Remove the icky colored tab & replace with a Swarovsky crystal "jewel", a wine glass charm or a vintage sterling charm bracelet element. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan doublet issues
Could this be because of added weight at the upper chest and back? Can you put inserts into the center back or back side seams to widen the back? Dawn Oh, d'oh, I never thought of weight on the back...I can't do anything with centre back, but, I may be able to tweak where the armhole meets the back side seam. (I have a half finished one that I haven't finished binding) I may just end up putting something at the front and extend the button side of the doublet (buttonholes are already worked, else I'd have added the material symmetrically) Thank you for the thought, Dawn, Robert of Stonemarche ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OT: Chico CA
Anything good to do in Chico? I *will* be there starting next weekend for a few days. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE: Prefixes for headers?
The RE: or Re: in the subject line = reply and tends to be automatic with most if not all computers. From my understanding. -Original Message- Not being a computer person, I don't know if this is possible: When you have a "reply" to a post, whether it is a contribution or just a compliment, would it be possible to make the computer automatically put a "reply" notice in the topic window, along with the original topic line? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
