RE: [h-cost] detachable sleeves
This might help with seeing some reasons for detached sleeves though it is of later era. http://festiveattyre.com/research/wkclass/wk1.html http://festiveattyre.com/research/wkclass/wk8.html Variation of the style. Possibly one might have a sleeve for everyday and then a special sleeve set for special occasions. In some regions the sleeve and the placket seemed to be the only thing majorly embellished (these would be for special occasions). De -Original Message- WHY did they have detachable sleeves? it seems strange, like the garment would be less functional that way. thanks, Kitty Kitty in Somerset, PA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Thread Twist
I've found the difference matters more for hand sewing than machine (but my sewing machines aren't picky), but handedness of the person matters as much as handedness of the thread. Every stitch I take, the needle is rotated slightly. After several stitches, the thread has a tendancy to either kink up on itself and knot, or develop weak spots and fray. But WHY? I would think that thread would be just as strong no matter which direction it was spun. Does it have to do with sewing machines and the way they are threaded? Do the differences matter for hand sewing as well as machine? Sharon C. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] detachable sleeves
I love the woman in green in the back of the center one. Her sleeves are still attached to her bodice, but her arms aren't in them, and they're pinned (I assume) behind her, out of the way. Emma Quoting otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This might help with seeing some reasons for detached sleeves though it is of later era. http://festiveattyre.com/research/wkclass/wk1.html http://festiveattyre.com/research/wkclass/wk8.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] oval metal spangels
I found a substitute for the oval leaf spangels i searched for. This place has some nailsheads wich are suitable. they also have some gorgeous silk ribbons, real silk! http://www.mjtrim.com/catalog/family.aspx?family=26%3a06 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Leading strings
No experience with small children, but... Alexandria wrote: As to how they did it in this era, I'm not sure. I can only think of one image of a little girl with leading stings. You can't tell she's wearing them, except her older sister is holding onto them. They used strips of fabric sewn to the shoulders of the child's garment. I've seen them used at reenactment events. It must have worked in the 16th-17th centuries... Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Leading strings
Also 18th century it was used. Frequently seen in portraits. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Kate M Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:56 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Leading strings No experience with small children, but... Alexandria wrote: As to how they did it in this era, I'm not sure. I can only think of one image of a little girl with leading stings. You can't tell she's wearing them, except her older sister is holding onto them. They used strips of fabric sewn to the shoulders of the child's garment. I've seen them used at reenactment events. It must have worked in the 16th-17th centuries... Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: detachable sleeves
thanks for all the replies. that clears things up wonderfully, especially the pictures. very interesting. I'm not a learned as most of you are, and I don't have the priviledge of being involved in renfaire or anything but just interested in clothing as it relates to history, as a way of entering into the lives of the people. Not like throwing on a garment like we do today was it? it must have taken an hour to get dressed back then. Also, Was the forepart like a vest? Thanks, Kitty in Somerset, PA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: detachable sleeves
Detatchable sleeves aren't totally unknown today: http://www.knitty.com/ISSUEspring07/PATTribena.html A forepart is a decorative panel of an underskirt that shows when the outer skirt is split open in the front. Quoting Kirsten Felton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: thanks for all the replies. that clears things up wonderfully, especially the pictures. very interesting. I'm not a learned as most of you are, and I don't have the priviledge of being involved in renfaire or anything but just interested in clothing as it relates to history, as a way of entering into the lives of the people. Not like throwing on a garment like we do today was it? it must have taken an hour to get dressed back then. Also, Was the forepart like a vest? Thanks, Kitty in Somerset, PA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume http://anvil.unl.edu/emma http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: detachable sleeves
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Detatchable sleeves aren't totally unknown today: http://www.knitty.com/ISSUEspring07/PATTribena.html Jackets with removeable sleeves are pretty common, too. In the spring or fall, when you want warmth on your chest, but not the bulk of a heavy coat, they are great. http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-2549543dt.jpg Having used separate sleeves at events I can see why they would have been popular. Wear them in the morning when you have to go out and do chores, and when the day warms up, they come off easily. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Leading strings
Having raised three kids and two grand kids in the SCA, I can say that lead strings with a harness work best. They rarely come unsewn at the wrong time. I had a set my mother-in-law gave me when my oldest was a toddler and it's still after all these yearsin my oldest grandaughter's hope chest. I don't think they were new when I got them. The came from England. Try Googling Leadstrings. These were off white and are now a greyish white. They did not look out of place and fitted fairly well under the outer tunic. Margaret ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: detacheable sleeves
I do a version of detacheable sleeves that may or may not be period (though there seems to be some hints at it in what I've seen--just haven't bothered to look!): I make one or more pair of sleeves, completely finish the edges of both the sleeves and the armholes of the garment they'll go on, and then baste them on each time I wear the garment. It sounds horribly time consuming, but it isn't really! Five minutes of quick whipstitch in a matching thread, and voila. It has two really big advantages that I like: first, it doesn't LOOK like a removable sleeve unless you get about 6 inches away (and most of the styles I make weren't meant to have visibly removable sleeves), and second, when I just can't decide what style sleeve to make for the outfit, I can make as many as I have fabric for and switch 'em out according to mood. And since there's no ties, it actually looks like I have that many different outfits. -E House (Beginning to recover from months of email trouble... not fixed, but at least I can now post to my mailing lists. Sigh. Email provider says it's not their fault, husband who set up network firewall says it's not a problem on our side, I get no error messages, and yet... it ain't working. Grr. Argh.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] oval metal spangels
At 10:50 AM 3/20/2007, you wrote: I found a substitute for the oval leaf spangels i searched for. This place has some nailsheads wich are suitable. they also have some gorgeous silk ribbons, real silk! http://www.mjtrim.com/catalog/family.aspx?family=26%3a06 Bjarne Great minds think alike, I guess. I was just browsing the nailheads at this same site half an hour ago! Dianne feeling a need for some sparkly summer clothing... ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Dianne Lewandowski
Lorina, she's not historic costume-minded (is that a term?), just embroidery. Do you need to get in touch with her? Melissa No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] detachable sleeves
Also, detachable sleeves are much easier to fit, since they don't have to be eased into an armhole. Margo On Mar 20, 2007, at 7:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love the woman in green in the back of the center one. Her sleeves are still attached to her bodice, but her arms aren't in them, and they're pinned (I assume) behind her, out of the way. Emma Quoting otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This might help with seeing some reasons for detached sleeves though it is of later era. http://festiveattyre.com/research/wkclass/wk1.html http://festiveattyre.com/research/wkclass/wk8.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle
I've been given just under 4 yards of dark gold silk noil as a gift and after a long time trying to think what I could do with it (I don't sew modern stuff and I know silk noil is not period for pre 20th century purposes plus the small yardage made it really hard to think of anything) I thought that it might work as a kirtle in the style of 15th century peasants e.g. http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/june.jpg (as with this small yardage I'll need detachable sleeves). I need a dress in blue and gold for SCA purposes (the heraldic colours of my group) to replace a cotton broadcloth T-tunic (i.e. this cut http://www.angelfire.com/ia2/barony/newmembersguide/sewingtipstxt.html) that was passed on to me by the previous Seneschal of the group so I thought if I can use a period cut it's at least an improvement on what I'm replacing. But I'm not sure if I will be able to squeeze a dress in this style from such a small yardage. I'm a size 18-20 in big 3 patterns and 5'10 tall but I've never made anything pre 16th century before (or at least not for myself, I've made a couple of tunics for other people) so my usual minimum purchase is 5 metres. For those with more experience in this area would you expect to be able to squeeze a short sleeved 4 panel (bust supporting) kirtle out of about 3 3/4 yd of 45 wide fabric, preferably with minimal piecing. I was planning to use a modified version of Burda 7977 http://preview.tinyurl.com/2jq7jr but it calls for nearly 6 yards and I don't think the changing the sleeves will save me 2 yards of fabric OK I've gone all waffly in this post but the summary is I've got 3 3/4 yds of fabric and I need a 15th century kirtle either with short sleeves do you think it's plausible either with or without piecing, opinions and shared experiences are welcome. Thanks Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
