Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
For the general population, the waistline was at its normal placement in 1910-1911. By 1912-1914, the empire waist was fashionable. From 1910 to 1914 the waistline gradually moved up. In 1912, I have Ladies' Home Journal with the mid waistline. Delineator magazine shows the empire waist. I tell my students that during World War 1 ladies' fashion was kinda like the 1980s; a little bit of everything went on. It was fashion design gone wild. I personally like the WW1 fashions...very creative! I have 1916-1918 fashion plates of some of the same fashions that were worn in the 1980s. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com - Original Message - From: "Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 I'd have to agree. When looking in my trusty Patterns of Fashion c 1860 - 1940 by Janet Arnold, the gowns pictured definitely have higher waists than the Butterick pattern--they almost look Victorian. The Butterick pattern gown more resembles the styles of the 1920's. Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net - Original Message - From: "Cin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "h-cost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 MaggiRos, That seems like a remarkably low waist line for 1914. The W should be quite high, right under the bosom & the shape generally columnar. As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd look lovely in something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy chiffon over charmeuse? An encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic lace? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College in August, http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some of you know. :-) MaggiRos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
MaggiRos, I made a dress similar to this pattern in a shimmery dark red. I was going to a Red Cross Ball in August, so I wanted it to look period with a modern twist. In our university's collection we have a black lace dress similar to this one. Pastels were worn in the summer in the early 1920s. We have some in the collection from the 1910s in nice peach shades. One has green piping and is very lovely. We have another dress of ecru netting with powder blue medallions. I would love to make a reproduction of that dress one day. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
I'll adjust my searches. Thanks Penny! --- Penny Ladnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This pattern is similar to the early 1920s. The > semi low waistline and the > handkerchief style overskirt. ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
Oh yes, I was looking at this site this morning. wonderful stuff. Thanks. MaggiRos --- Katy Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That pattern is just so not 1914 to me. It make me > think of 1920s > styles, or Norma Desmond (or Norma Desmond played by > Carol Burnett > :~). The waist in 1914, and for most of the 'teens > for that matter > was high or natural, it's not until the later 'teens > that you get a > slightly dropped waist. The shape of the over skirt > is much more > 1916-17. > > I have several pictures of evening dresses from the > 'teens on my website: > > http://www.vintagevictorian.com/costume_1910.html > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
OK, 20s, I can go with that. Colors? Fabric suggestions? Websites that don't require a subscription? I'm not committed to perfect accuracy but I'd like to be in the ballpark for whatever date the dress is trying to be, and make a pretty, wearable dress. MaggiRos --- Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd have to agree. When looking in my trusty > Patterns of Fashion c 1860 - > 1940 by Janet Arnold, the gowns pictured definitely > have higher waists than > the Butterick pattern--they almost look Victorian. > The Butterick pattern > gown more resembles the styles of the 1920's. > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Gilbert > author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set > Georgian England > www.marjoriegilbert.net > - Original Message - > From: "Cin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "h-cost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:16 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 > > > > MaggiRos, > > That seems like a remarkably low waist line for > 1914. The W should be > > quite high, right under the bosom & the shape > generally columnar. > > > > As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd > look lovely in > > something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy > chiffon over charmeuse? An > > encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic > lace? > > --cin > > Cynthia Barnes > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) > > From: MaggiRos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 > > To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm in over my head again, although the pattern > itself > > isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick > > historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume > College > > in August, > > > > > http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 > > > > But I don't know anything about this period, > realy. So > > what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk > seems > > perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? > I'm > > not really a pale and watery sort of person, as > some > > of you know. :-) > > > > MaggiRos > > ___ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions
On Jul 3, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Dawn wrote: After 04, women's hair got really short, and they started styling it so it sticks out in a little flip in the bottom. A year or two ago it seemed like every young blonde starlet looked the same. And then we started getting glitter and sequins on everything, and a lot more silky polyester type fabrics. That's how I wear my hair now. That style has been in for a number of years. I think it was popularized by Meg Ryan. I keep wondering when it will go out. Maybe it already has for you coastal people, but here in Colorado it is still in and since it looks really good on me, I don't mind. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
Well, doesn't look like anything I've ever seen from 1914. I designed a "Three Penny Opera" that was set in 1914to compliment the fox trots and 2 steps in the music...and so I researched that very year. The waist was at a high-natural line..kinda like the late 1820s or where men wore their pants in the 1950s...y'know, high but at the waist. Bodices usually had no darts of any kind. The backs would be narrow...almost fitted, even on a shirtwaist... and the fronts would be full, but not baggy like the pigeon breasted look of just before in the 1900s. Lots of raglan and dolman sleeves with narrow cuffsV necks and high collars. Skirts were gored usually and slightly flaring stopping at the ankle. Sometimes the front would be a single gore that was straight from the hips down and the back would be 2 goes that flared a bit. Evening things had a layering of shears effect with beading and embroidery, and skirts were sometimes curiously draped. When the war starts, military influences come into play, with things like large pockets with pleats and flaps, lots of buttons, and high boots, that lace up the front...a great look with a wool suit. Hats could be wide and flat but not as large as in the period before. The brim would often be oval with the long sides over the shoulders. And you see less stuff on them. Also a whole range of fez-like and novelty shapes of smaller hats appear. Hair is not short yet but often put up. Crimping is popular. It's a transitional period going out of La Belle Epoch into the 20's. You see all kinds of half-and-half combinations. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
That pattern is just so not 1914 to me. It make me think of 1920s styles, or Norma Desmond (or Norma Desmond played by Carol Burnett :~). The waist in 1914, and for most of the 'teens for that matter was high or natural, it's not until the later 'teens that you get a slightly dropped waist. The shape of the over skirt is much more 1916-17. I have several pictures of evening dresses from the 'teens on my website: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/costume_1910.html I just love the 'teens, so many fun styles, and a different look for each year of the decade. I need to find the time to make a new dress for Newport's ragtime ball this year. Katy On 7/3/07, Lynn Downward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: MaggiRos, I think we've talked about this pattern once before, when it first came out, and I remember that it's not very period. I looked at the pattern and the bodice, skirt and belt are three separate pieces made up to look like a dress. It would be easier to make a dress. >From the GBACG Great Pattern Review: #4093 - Making History: Tunic, Gown & Girdle circa 1914 Caren Johannes - Recommended with reservations. I'm an experienced sewer but, I haven't sewn anything complicated in years. This dress was fairly easy. It's probably not accurate, as are many of the patterns in the Making History series. I couldn't find any dresses from the period that resembled this when I researched it. The abbreviated, awful instructions found in too many Butterick patterns are here in force. Even worse, several of the illustrations are incorrect or unclear. The pattern calls for 60-inch wide fabric for the outer tunic, and they mean it because the tunic pattern won't fit on the fabric! You can use 45-inch wide material for the tunic but. you'll have a seam down the front which actually may help with fit and prevent the tunic shoulders from drooping. Several careful fittings during construction are a must. Ignore the instructions on seaming the sleeves together if you're using sheer fabric; you're better off using French seams. If you have heavy upper arms, you may have to cut the sleeves larger at the shoulder. I used a satin and didn't bother to add the trim called for at the bottom of the tunic, as the pattern construction makes a self trim ribbon. Carin's was the only review of this pattern. There's got to be something better out there, unless you're really hooked into the lower waisted dress. JoAnnPeterson's high-waisted dress of the same period would look great on you. Folkware has their own dress of the same time. Hope some of that helps. See you in a few weeks, Lynn On 7/3/07, Cin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MaggiRos, > That seems like a remarkably low waist line for 1914. The W should be > quite high, right under the bosom & the shape generally columnar. > > As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd look lovely in > something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy chiffon over charmeuse? An > encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic lace? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: MaggiRos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 > To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi all, > > I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself > isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick > historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College > in August, > > http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 > > But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So > what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems > perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm > not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some > of you know. :-) > > MaggiRos > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
Maggie, I have this pattern and have material set aside for it. It is an early 1920s style, evening dress or can be a summer tea dress. The girdle top is at waist level. What I have found so far is that it would that you could make it in a darker color. I am not sure of what you mean by watery but if you mean flowy, then pretty much yes. There were some evening gown fabric that were a little stiff but not really that stiff. Velvets, silks, lace, chiffon, crepe What fabric/design(?) you could use for a tea dress. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_474.htm dresses of the 1920s http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_591.htm http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_255.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item4453.htm http://www.marquise.de/en/1900/pics/1920/192x_1.shtml http://www.marquise.de/en/1900/pics/1920/1924_2.shtml http://www.marquise.de/en/1900/pics/1920/1929_8.shtml http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collection/database/?irn=35224 I plan on adding long sleeves to the gown. trim will be lace and pearls. I have Simplicity 4947 that is to go with the Butterick pattern for a full outfit. I do not plan on making the girdle but may make a purse that will go under the tunic and have a slit in the tunic for easy access. You do not have to have a 60" wide fabric for your tunic, you can use 45" and have a seam down the center or cut the pattern so that you will have "princess" seams and then cover over the seam with beadwork. Think of the tunic as your canvas and the gown the frame. De -Original Message- > > Hi all, > > > > I'm in over my head again, although the pattern > itself > > isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick > > historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume > College > > in August, > > > > > http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 > > > > But I don't know anything about this period, > realy. So > > what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk > seems > > perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? > I'm > > not really a pale and watery sort of person, as > some > > of you know. :-) > > > > MaggiRos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
I'd have to agree. When looking in my trusty Patterns of Fashion c 1860 - 1940 by Janet Arnold, the gowns pictured definitely have higher waists than the Butterick pattern--they almost look Victorian. The Butterick pattern gown more resembles the styles of the 1920's. Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net - Original Message - From: "Cin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "h-cost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 MaggiRos, That seems like a remarkably low waist line for 1914. The W should be quite high, right under the bosom & the shape generally columnar. As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd look lovely in something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy chiffon over charmeuse? An encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic lace? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College in August, http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some of you know. :-) MaggiRos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some of you know. :-) Oooh, that pattern is on my 'must make' list, too. No, you don't have to use pale watery colors. Take a look at these prints from the period. Some are later than the teens, but you get the idea. Rich earth tones, black and red, some bold, contrasting prints. And this is the period when Rayon was developed as a silk substitute. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions
Sylvia Rognstad wrote: I still have them. What else was popular that is different from today? Beltlines are still below the navel today, but shirts are coming back down. I finally got used to the midriff baring style and last month when I went shopping I found all the shirts are about hip length, or longer. I seem to remember those ruffled and/or patchwork velvet skirts from several years back. Only they were never very full. Horrible mint green, brown and orange striped poly knit shirts. Babydoll lingerie tops. Thee was this whole 'back to the 70's' thing going on, but it was even uglier than the first time around. Lots of psychedelic colors like pink and green and orange, but too bright, a strange mix of drab and tacky. Lots of India-made trim on stuff, around the bottom of jeans, and on jackets. All the fabric coming into the stores seemed to have lycra in them. Necklaces made from fishing line with single pearls or jewels clamped every few inches. Very pale lipstick colors, and a return to a natural looking face. Glitter or reflective powder in a lot of makeup (and suddenly I'm allergic to cosmetics). Huge purses with lots of sequins and beads dangling all over them. Long, pointy toed shoes. Shoulder length hair. Men's clothing got very casual. My husband can wear jeans to work, and sneakers in a corporate environment. Hair is still short. After 04, women's hair got really short, and they started styling it so it sticks out in a little flip in the bottom. A year or two ago it seemed like every young blonde starlet looked the same. And then we started getting glitter and sequins on everything, and a lot more silky polyester type fabrics. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
Hi all, I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College in August, http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some of you know. :-) MaggiRos ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
Lynnie, I don't think you're talking about the same pattern, although I see the pattern number in the review is the same. But it's hardly a bodice and skirt. There's an underdress (gown) cut on the fold of 45" fabric, and the overdress (tunic) cut on the fold of 60" fabric. The girdle does look like it rides below the hips, I'll grant you, but that's what creates such waist as it has. The trim is beaded ribbon, not self trim, although there is some self-facing at the neckline. The sleeves just fall from the shoulder, open along the top. No seaming that I can see. Maybe it's been revised since that review? Or maybe it's more complicated than it looks, Butterick is notorious for leaving things out. I may not have been reading the list when the pattern came out, but it's certainly not complicated. I'm not in search of a low waist especially--not with my waist! I just liked the look of the outfit, and the pieces look adaptable to other things. I think. Maybe I should just stick to the 16th century. Maggie --- Lynn Downward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MaggiRos, > > I think we've talked about this pattern once before, > when it first > came out, and I remember that it's not very period. > I looked at the > pattern and the bodice, skirt and belt are three > separate pieces made > up to look like a dress. It would be easier to make > a dress. > > >From the GBACG Great Pattern Review: > #4093 - Making History: Tunic, Gown & Girdle circa > 1914 > > Caren Johannes - Recommended with reservations. > I'm an experienced sewer but, I haven't sewn > anything complicated in > years. This dress was fairly easy. It's probably not > accurate, as are > many of the patterns in the Making History series. I > couldn't find any > dresses from the period that resembled this when I > researched it. The > abbreviated, awful instructions found in too many > Butterick patterns > are here in force. Even worse, several of the > illustrations are > incorrect or unclear. The pattern calls for 60-inch > wide fabric for > the outer tunic, and they mean it because the tunic > pattern won't fit > on the fabric! You can use 45-inch wide material for > the tunic but. > you'll have a seam down the front which actually may > help with fit and > prevent the tunic shoulders from drooping. Several > careful fittings > during construction are a must. Ignore the > instructions on seaming the > sleeves together if you're using sheer fabric; > you're better off using > French seams. If you have heavy upper arms, you may > have to cut the > sleeves larger at the shoulder. I used a satin and > didn't bother to > add the trim called for at the bottom of the tunic, > as the pattern > construction makes a self trim ribbon. > > Carin's was the only review of this pattern. > > There's got to be something better out there, unless > you're really > hooked into the lower waisted dress. JoAnnPeterson's > high-waisted > dress of the same period would look great on you. > Folkware has their > own dress of the same time. > > Hope some of that helps. > > See you in a few weeks, > Lynn > > On 7/3/07, Cin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > MaggiRos, > > That seems like a remarkably low waist line for > 1914. The W should be > > quite high, right under the bosom & the shape > generally columnar. > > > > As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd > look lovely in > > something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy > chiffon over charmeuse? An > > encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic > lace? > > --cin > > Cynthia Barnes > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) > > From: MaggiRos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 > > To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm in over my head again, although the pattern > itself > > isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick > > historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume > College > > in August, > > > > > http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 > > > > But I don't know anything about this period, > realy. So > > what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk > seems > > perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? > I'm > > not really a pale and watery sort of person, as > some > > of you know. :-) > > > > MaggiRos > > ___ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
This pattern is similar to the early 1920s. The semi low waistline and the handkerchief style overskirt. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions
I agree. There were a few years there where it was almost impossible for me to find attractive (in my eyes) shoes because the heels were either strange, as those already mentioned, or bent. Remember that look? Like it was too hot outside and your heel just kind of melted into a curve? And that style was really expensive! I haven't spoken up because I didn't like or didn't look good in the styles from 2002-04. Crop-tops and hip huggers aren't attractive on short/rounds. Neither are those cropped pants. LynnD Still wearing some dress boots from almost 20 years ago that are still in fashion On 7/3/07, Catherine Olanich Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 03 July 2007, Hanna Zickermann wrote: [snip] >Heels were less delicate than today, in > 2002 I bought some boots with heels that appeared > to be very thick seen from the back and thin from > the side - I found them quite revolutionary. I agree, but I also think they were ugly. -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions
On Tuesday 03 July 2007, Hanna Zickermann wrote: [snip] >Heels were less delicate than today, in > 2002 I bought some boots with heels that appeared > to be very thick seen from the back and thin from > the side - I found them quite revolutionary. I agree, but I also think they were ugly. -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions
On Tuesday 03 July 2007, Beverly Azizi wrote: > Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 22:39:37 -0600 > From: Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Any of you ladies recall what you wore in the years 2002-4? I'm > drawing pretty much of a blank. I'm costuming "The Last 5 Years" and > it goes back in time 5 years. I know things haven't changed that much, > but there have been some changes. For instance, I do remember wearing > long straight and slightly a-lined skirts, alot of the latter made out > of knits. I still have them. What else was popular that is different > from today? > > Sylrog > > I think encapsulated in that time period we have waistlines on > pants dipping lower and lower for women and wasn't there a shift in > in the length of tops i.e. getting shorter and shorter. Also the > advent of the flood pant or cropped pant after pants being extra long > for a while? Also the last few years has seen a resurgence of the > gored skirt (a wink back to medieval times) . You might want to try > googling some of the designers collections from 5 years ago to see > what they show. Good Luck Sylvia Definitely the cropped pants. Also straight skirts in business suits with a 1" - 3" ruffle along the bottom, and those horrible pumps with a heel that is round in back and cut off straight like a slab on the other side. Yuk. -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
MaggiRos, I think we've talked about this pattern once before, when it first came out, and I remember that it's not very period. I looked at the pattern and the bodice, skirt and belt are three separate pieces made up to look like a dress. It would be easier to make a dress. From the GBACG Great Pattern Review: #4093 - Making History: Tunic, Gown & Girdle circa 1914 Caren Johannes - Recommended with reservations. I'm an experienced sewer but, I haven't sewn anything complicated in years. This dress was fairly easy. It's probably not accurate, as are many of the patterns in the Making History series. I couldn't find any dresses from the period that resembled this when I researched it. The abbreviated, awful instructions found in too many Butterick patterns are here in force. Even worse, several of the illustrations are incorrect or unclear. The pattern calls for 60-inch wide fabric for the outer tunic, and they mean it because the tunic pattern won't fit on the fabric! You can use 45-inch wide material for the tunic but. you'll have a seam down the front which actually may help with fit and prevent the tunic shoulders from drooping. Several careful fittings during construction are a must. Ignore the instructions on seaming the sleeves together if you're using sheer fabric; you're better off using French seams. If you have heavy upper arms, you may have to cut the sleeves larger at the shoulder. I used a satin and didn't bother to add the trim called for at the bottom of the tunic, as the pattern construction makes a self trim ribbon. Carin's was the only review of this pattern. There's got to be something better out there, unless you're really hooked into the lower waisted dress. JoAnnPeterson's high-waisted dress of the same period would look great on you. Folkware has their own dress of the same time. Hope some of that helps. See you in a few weeks, Lynn On 7/3/07, Cin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: MaggiRos, That seems like a remarkably low waist line for 1914. The W should be quite high, right under the bosom & the shape generally columnar. As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd look lovely in something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy chiffon over charmeuse? An encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic lace? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College in August, http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some of you know. :-) MaggiRos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions
Burda magazine might be helpful if you can find a library with back issues. There is an archive at http://www.burdamode.com but it only goes back to the start of 2004. To access the archive though you need to keep the page in german at the start, select "magazine" from the lefthand side which will display items under that cantegory. You want the "Archiv von burda Modemagazin" which is next to the picture composed of lots of magazine covers. This will bring up the list of all issues that are archived. I've just checked and it looks like 2004 is archived in german only but the pictures are there as are the "Technische Zeichnung" (technical drawings). The only problem with using burda is that some patterns show up in Burda before they do in mass ready to wear. I might be noticing that only because I'm living in Australia. Sharon Nevin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
MaggiRos, That seems like a remarkably low waist line for 1914. The W should be quite high, right under the bosom & the shape generally columnar. As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd look lovely in something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy chiffon over charmeuse? An encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic lace? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College in August, http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093&page=1 But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some of you know. :-) MaggiRos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions
Subject: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions Any of you ladies recall what you wore in the years 2002-4? I'm drawing pretty much of a blank. I'm costuming "The Last 5 Years" and it goes back in time 5 years. I know things haven't changed that much, but there have been some changes. For instance, I do remember wearing long straight and slightly a-lined skirts, alot of the latter made out of knits. I still have them. What else was popular that is different from today? Bell bottom revival, even in business suits. Hiphuggers & bare bellies. Messed up hair with gel & pomade... T-shirts, knit tops & sweaters completely encrusted in beads or embroidery, especially in Asian shops.. --cin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions
Oh yeah. You reminded me of the sweaters that flared out at the wrists. I still have one, but I hate not being able to roll up the sleeves when washing dishes. On Jul 3, 2007, at 7:17 AM, Kate Pinner wrote: Was that when young women wore their sleeves to their fingertips? Kate - Original Message - From: "G.Vinje" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:39:37 +0200, Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What else was popular that is different from today? Jeans and pants well below the navel. Bellbottoms. Tight t-shirts to the navel or just under. Tight clothes on the upper body. "Natural" breasts slowly comming back in fashion. High heels. Green-bluish or light blue colors for summer from about 1999 up to 2004.Wintercoats to just below the knees. Brown should still be somewhat fashionable If you have a local library with a magazine section, skim through them. It might make you recall things and give you an idea of colors, shape and shoes in fashion atm. Gunvor -- "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov" Anders (nesten 4 år) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions
I remember pants that were a bit below the navel and fell down vertically in the back, with wide hems. Heels were less delicate than today, in 2002 I bought some boots with heels that appeared to be very thick seen from the back and thin from the side - I found them quite revolutionary. One extremely fashionable colleague of mine wore kitten heels that year, but I think they were available in "regular" shoe stores earliest 2004 or so (that´s when I bought some). 2002 was also the first year I remember ruffled pirate shirts and chemises, worn with pumps and cargo pants with lots of pockets and straps with D-rings. It looked like the wearer wanted to fix camping equipment to her pants. ;-) Mixing different clothing styles was a real art, like hooded training sweaters with dress pants... That´s what I remember from Hamburg, Germany. Hanna At 06:39 03.07.2007, you wrote: Any of you ladies recall what you wore in the years 2002-4? I'm drawing pretty much of a blank. I'm costuming "The Last 5 Years" and it goes back in time 5 years. I know things haven't changed that much, but there have been some changes. For instance, I do remember wearing long straight and slightly a-lined skirts, alot of the latter made out of knits. I still have them. What else was popular that is different from today? Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions
I remember evening gowns, and red carpet gowns, start to move from that clinging 1930's type of shift towards a more structured look. It was still a close fitting shift, but in crisper fabrics with more flair at the hem. You see more trains and fish-tails. And decoration starts to move from applied stuff, like beading, to self fabric stuff, like ruffles and pleats. A trend that still lingers. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 2002-4 fashions
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 22:39:37 -0600 From: Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Any of you ladies recall what you wore in the years 2002-4? I'm drawing pretty much of a blank. I'm costuming "The Last 5 Years" and it goes back in time 5 years. I know things haven't changed that much, but there have been some changes. For instance, I do remember wearing long straight and slightly a-lined skirts, alot of the latter made out of knits. I still have them. What else was popular that is different from today? Sylrog I think encapsulated in that time period we have waistlines on pants dipping lower and lower for women and wasn't there a shift in in the length of tops i.e. getting shorter and shorter. Also the advent of the flood pant or cropped pant after pants being extra long for a while? Also the last few years has seen a resurgence of the gored skirt (a wink back to medieval times) . You might want to try googling some of the designers collections from 5 years ago to see what they show. Good Luck Sylvia Beverly ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Iranian costuming book
Hi all, I saw this and thought folks on this list might be interested, especially those interested in Iran/Persian clothing. Title: Splendori dall'Iran : Gioelli e costumi per 5000 anni di storia Author: Balbi de Caro, Silvana Price: $61.95 ISBN: 970168034 Description: Roma: De Luca, 2007. 30cm., pbk., 118pp. illus., most in color. Italian text. Exhibition held at Museo Nazionale d'Arte Orientale "Giuseppe Tucci", Roma. available at www.artbooks.com (not associated, just a happy customer) Colleen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions
I think it depends on where you were and what age group, but in South Carolina, college-aged girls were wearing sleeves that belled or ruffled out at the end, generally from a seam at the elbow or the forearm, or less often at the wrist. I concur that finding some magazines from that time would really help. Melanie Schuessler On Jul 3, 2007, at 9:48 AM, zelda crusher wrote: With thumbs poking thru a cut in the "cuff". Laurie From: "Kate Pinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:17:11 -0400 Was that when young women wore their sleeves to their fingertips? Kate - Original Message - From: "G.Vinje" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:39:37 +0200, Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What else was popular that is different from today? _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions
With thumbs poking thru a cut in the "cuff". Laurie From: "Kate Pinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:17:11 -0400 Was that when young women wore their sleeves to their fingertips? Kate - Original Message - From: "G.Vinje" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:39:37 +0200, Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What else was popular that is different from today? _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions
Was that when young women wore their sleeves to their fingertips? Kate - Original Message - From: "G.Vinje" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:39:37 +0200, Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What else was popular that is different from today? Jeans and pants well below the navel. Bellbottoms. Tight t-shirts to the navel or just under. Tight clothes on the upper body. "Natural" breasts slowly comming back in fashion. High heels. Green-bluish or light blue colors for summer from about 1999 up to 2004.Wintercoats to just below the knees. Brown should still be somewhat fashionable If you have a local library with a magazine section, skim through them. It might make you recall things and give you an idea of colors, shape and shoes in fashion atm. Gunvor -- "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov" Anders (nesten 4 år) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 2002-4 fashions
On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:39:37 +0200, Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What else was popular that is different from today? Jeans and pants well below the navel. Bellbottoms. Tight t-shirts to the navel or just under. Tight clothes on the upper body. "Natural" breasts slowly comming back in fashion. High heels. Green-bluish or light blue colors for summer from about 1999 up to 2004.Wintercoats to just below the knees. Brown should still be somewhat fashionable If you have a local library with a magazine section, skim through them. It might make you recall things and give you an idea of colors, shape and shoes in fashion atm. Gunvor -- "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov" Anders (nesten 4 år) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 2002-4 fashions
Any of you ladies recall what you wore in the years 2002-4? I'm drawing pretty much of a blank. I'm costuming "The Last 5 Years" and it goes back in time 5 years. I know things haven't changed that much, but there have been some changes. For instance, I do remember wearing long straight and slightly a-lined skirts, alot of the latter made out of knits. I still have them. What else was popular that is different from today? Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
