Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510

[Bella]

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From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510

>>>A dear friend of mine is going to cast pewter tulips for me. Since the
gown that I made is amethyst, silver/pewter will look very spiff. I'm
also planning to color the  tulips - a friend of mine makes SCA award
medallions and paints them. They still look metallic, but the color is
nice and even.<<<

That will look gorgeous! Amethyst and silver - YUM! 

I have friends that are great with brass and pewter, and I must admit I've been 
thinking of showing this to them and asking if they could make me some in 
either brass or vermeil, simply because I prefer gold and love it with black 
like in the portrait. I wonder if painting pewter with gold paint would work. 


>>>PS: Thanks so much for the posting of the large image. I do appreciate 
>>>it!

Oh, you're very welcome, and I'm glad it's been of help, but it was Salvi's 
scan to begin with, she deserves the thanks. :-)



Bella


  

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Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510

[ailith]

A dear friend of mine is going to cast pewter tulips for me. Since the
gown that I made is amethyst, silver/pewter will look very spiff. I'm
also planning to color the  tulips - a friend of mine makes SCA award
medallions and paints them. They still look metallic, but the color is
nice and even.

kate

PS: Thanks so much for the posting of the large image. I do appreciate it!

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Date: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:35 pm
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of  image ca. 1510
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> - Original Message 
> From: otsisto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510
> 
> >>>A weak sub would be to make embroidered appliques, then 
> attaching a metal
> ring towards the stem end and thread cover the ring. Then applique 
> the tulip
> to the camicia.<<<
> 
> 
> Brilliant! That would work a treat. :-)
> 
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Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510

[Bella]

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From: otsisto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510

>>>A weak sub would be to make embroidered appliques, then attaching a metal
ring towards the stem end and thread cover the ring. Then applique the tulip
to the camicia.<<<


Brilliant! That would work a treat. :-)



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RE: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510

[otsisto]

A weak sub would be to make embroidered appliques, then attaching a metal
ring towards the stem end and thread cover the ring. Then applique the tulip
to the camicia.

De


- Original Message 
>>>It looks to me like the black ribbons are laced through loops on the stem
end of each tulip, so surely the tulips will need to be metal-based for this
to work, right?  The loops appear to hold their shape rather than pulling
out of shape under the pressure, which screams metal to me.<<<


Yep, I agree. Definitely metal, and enamel. I would guess that pure gold
would be too soft, but brass doesn't seem quite right. Anyone know whether
gold plated silver existed in this period (early 16th century)? I'm not sure
if I'm correctly remembering a reference to gold coated/plated/covered
silver, akin to our moderm vermeil.
Bella, The Realm of Venus


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[h-cost] Aniline Dyes

[Penny Ladnier]

Can anyone please point me to a webpage that states when aniline dyes were no 
longer used in clothing and perfumes.  I did a search on Google and haven't 
come up with an exact date.

Penny Ladnier, 
Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites
www.costumegallery.com
www.costumelibrary.com
www.costumeclassroom.com
www.costumeencyclopedia.com 

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Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510

[Bella]

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From: E House <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510
 
>>>It looks to me like the black ribbons are laced through loops on the stem 
end of each tulip, so surely the tulips will need to be metal-based for this 
to work, right?  The loops appear to hold their shape rather than pulling 
out of shape under the pressure, which screams metal to me.<<<


Yep, I agree. Definitely metal, and enamel. I would guess that pure gold would 
be too soft, but brass doesn't seem quite right. Anyone know whether gold 
plated silver existed in this period (early 16th century)? I'm not sure if I'm 
correctly remembering a reference to gold coated/plated/covered silver, akin to 
our moderm vermeil.




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[h-cost] help with fashion parade?

[Cin]

>I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade -
>showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas?
>Thanks, Aylwen

Well, the undergarments section should be called "A Brief History".

--cin
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Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510

[E House]

Great scan!  I too was almost positive I'd seen a larger image posted on 
some list somewhere, though I could easily be thinking of some other chemise 
with similar black ribbons.


It looks to me like the black ribbons are laced through loops on the stem 
end of each tulip, so surely the tulips will need to be metal-based for this 
to work, right?  The loops appear to hold their shape rather than pulling 
out of shape under the pressure, which screams metal to me.


-E House
(I've really got to start experimenting with cast pewter.) 


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[h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...

[Audrey Bergeron-Morin]

Hi!

I was wondering... On modern shirts, in the center back, right below
the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders, there's very often a
little fabric loop. What is it for, or what is it an artifact of?

Thanks!

Audrey
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Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...

[Adele de Maisieres]

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BTW this is called a "yolk'. Not all modern shirts have  them.


  

Only ones with unsightly yellow stains :-)

(I think you mean yoke)

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RE: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510

[otsisto]

Will they be enameled or is she going the embroidery route?

De

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Thank you. A friend of mine is going to make the tulips for me and I
wanted to give her the best image possible.

kate


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RE: [h-cost] help with fashion parade?

[zelda crusher]

How about "Over, Under, Around ...Through the Ages"



From: A Gardiner-Garden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [h-cost] help with fashion parade?
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:35:44 +1000

I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade -  
showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas?  And 
ideas how to go about it? It will be held in public next year -  I'm trying 
to put a proposal together.


Thanks, Aylwen
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Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...

[Ruth Anne Baumgartner]

In fact I've heard it referred to as a "locker loop."
--Ruth Anne Baumgartner
scholar gypsy and amateur costumer

On Aug 17, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote:


Seriously? Wow... I was so sure it was a leftover from some weird
forgotten function... Everybody I know hangs the shirt by the collar,
not the loop, so the obvious didn't even occur to me...

Thanks!

On 8/17/07, Lavolta Press <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hanging the shirt on a peg.

Fran
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RE: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...

[zelda crusher]

Audrey,
When I was growing up in the Pleistocene, my brothers told me they were 
called "fairy hooks", and were there for the purpose of grabbing  (and 
ripping the guy's shirt, I suppose).  No idea what they might be a remnant 
of though.  Here's some more on the phrase (scroll down to see "fruit loop" 
and "fag tag"):


http://wordwizard.com/ch_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19517&;

Laurie



From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:11:10 -0400

Hi!

I was wondering... On modern shirts, in the center back, right below
the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders, there's very often a
little fabric loop. What is it for, or what is it an artifact of?

Thanks!

Audrey
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RE: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...

[LuAnn Mason]

Yolks are for eggs.  Yokes are for shirts.  And oxen.  :-)





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> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:56:46 -0400
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> CC: 
> 
>  
> In a message dated 8/17/2007 1:26:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> the wide  pane they use for lining the shoulders
> 
> 
> ***
>  
>  
> BTW this is called a "yolk'. Not all modern shirts have  them.
> 
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Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510

[Marie Stewart]

How is your friend going to reproduce them?

~ Bridgette

On 8/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thank you. A friend of mine is going to make the tulips for me and I
> wanted to give her the best image possible.
>
> kate
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Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...

[Bjarne og Leif Drews]

Hi,
Isnt that just a loop to hang up the shirt with?

Bjarne

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To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:11 PM
Subject: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...



Hi!

I was wondering... On modern shirts, in the center back, right below
the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders, there's very often a
little fabric loop. What is it for, or what is it an artifact of?

Thanks!

Audrey
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[h-cost] help with fashion parade?

[A Gardiner-Garden]

I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade -  
showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas?  
And ideas how to go about it? It will be held in public next year -  
I'm trying to put a proposal together.


Thanks, Aylwen
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Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...

[Suzi Clarke]

At 18:56 17/08/2007, you wrote:


In a message dated 8/17/2007 1:26:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

the wide  pane they use for lining the shoulders


***


BTW this is called a "yolk'. Not all modern shirts have  them.



I have always thought it was a yoke, as in the thing mikmaids carry 
on the shoulders with buckets hanging off.


Suzi

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Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...

[Audrey Bergeron-Morin]

Seriously? Wow... I was so sure it was a leftover from some weird
forgotten function... Everybody I know hangs the shirt by the collar,
not the loop, so the obvious didn't even occur to me...

Thanks!

On 8/17/07, Lavolta Press <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hanging the shirt on a peg.
>
> Fran
> Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming
> http://www.lavoltapress.com
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[h-cost] Calio Day Dresses- was Vogue Tags/Label

[Saragrace Knauf]

Hey Cynthia - I am curious if you know or if you know someone who could give me 
input on two fabrics I am thinking about using for recreations of Civil 
"warish"/frontier dresses.  Maybe a better way to ask the question would be 
where in the 1800 - 1900 period would these fabrics best be used and in what 
gown.

Got tons of both fabrics...

I tried looking at some fabric dating books, but was unable to come up with any 
"sureity" of my choices.
I love making up new words!

Sg
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  From: Cin 
  To: h-cost 
  Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vogue Tags/Label


  At 01:44 AM 13/08/2007, you wrote:

  It's pity RJR & the Smithsonian stopped collaborating on those.  It
  was a great way to find historical prints for day dresses.
  --cin
  Cynthia Barnes
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[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 380

[Claire Clarke]

Message: 4
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:06:53 -0400
From: "Penny Ladnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ironing (Was Linen Shir)t
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

I wonder if this cooling method comes from mothers who put out their 
laundry

on the clothesline in the winter and the fabric froze.  I had not
experienced the freezing laundering syndrome until we moved to Illinois. 
My

son's cloth diapers froze stiff on the clothesline.  From all my years of
living in the Deep South, I had not experienced frozen laundry until then.
We didn't have a clothes dryer in our apartment and I had to iron his
diapers.  At the time, we were snowed in for a week.

A friend of mine grew up in Nebraska.  She told me that her grandmother
ironed everything year round.  I recall my mother ironing sheets and
pillowcases.


My mother was born in a coal-mining town. She said you never hung your
washing out when the wind was blowing in certain directions because
it would turn black! My grandmother was also a mad ironer (she
probably still would be if she spent much time at home these days). She
used to iron undies and tea-towels.

Claire 


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Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510

[ailith]

Thank you. A friend of mine is going to make the tulips for me and I
wanted to give her the best image possible.

kate

- Original Message -
From: Bella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:13 am
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of  image ca. 1510
To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hi Kate,
> 
> a while back on the Italian Renaissance Costuming yahoo group, 
> Salvi posted a link to a scan she had made of this image. It's 
> HUGE...my copy is 26.4Mb.
> 
> I've done a quick search of the archives and will post it here for 
> you (be warned - it's huge!)
> 
> http://www.outoftheattic.biz/images/bartolomeo.jpg
> 
> A link to the message itself:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Italian_Renaissance_Costuming/message/4998
> 
> 
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> 
> - Original Message 
> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, 16 August, 2007 11:47:51 AM
> Subject: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510
> 
> 
> Greetings.
> 
> I'm looking for detail images of this portrait by Bartolomeo Veneto:
> 
>
http://www.nationalgalleryimages.co.uk/search.aspx?q=BARTOLOMEO%2C+Veneto&mode=artist&frm=1
> 
> Specifically, I'm looking for a detail of the tulip motifs on the
> camica. I remember seeing one, but, of course, can't find it now.
> 
> Thanks so much.
> 
> kate
> 
> 
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Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...

[AlbertCat]

 
In a message dated 8/17/2007 1:57:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

BTW  this is called a "yolk'. Not all modern shirts have   them.



*
 
 
Hahahahaha... that should be YOKE, not yolk! I just made 2 fried eggs  and 
was eating them when I posted. Funny how the mind works or doesn't work  in 
this case.
 
Well at least it wasn't my usual typo of  "Waist of time"! [Is that  anything 
like "in the neck of time"?]



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Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...

[AlbertCat]

 
In a message dated 8/17/2007 1:26:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

the wide  pane they use for lining the shoulders


***
 
 
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Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...

[Lavolta Press]

Hanging the shirt on a peg.

Fran
Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming
http://www.lavoltapress.com

Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote:


Hi!

I was wondering... On modern shirts, in the center back, right below
the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders, there's very often a
little fabric loop. What is it for, or what is it an artifact of?

Thanks!

Audrey


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Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510

[Bella]

Hi Kate,

a while back on the Italian Renaissance Costuming yahoo group, Salvi posted a 
link to a scan she had made of this image. It's HUGE...my copy is 26.4Mb.

I've done a quick search of the archives and will post it here for you (be 
warned - it's huge!)

http://www.outoftheattic.biz/images/bartolomeo.jpg

A link to the message itself:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Italian_Renaissance_Costuming/message/4998

 
Bella, The Realm of Venus
I'm doing the World Vision 40 Hour Famine this year! Please visit... 
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/40HourFamine2007.htm ...to find out 
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Sent: Thursday, 16 August, 2007 11:47:51 AM
Subject: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510


Greetings.

I'm looking for detail images of this portrait by Bartolomeo Veneto:

http://www.nationalgalleryimages.co.uk/search.aspx?q=BARTOLOMEO%2C+Veneto&mode=artist&frm=1

Specifically, I'm looking for a detail of the tulip motifs on the
camica. I remember seeing one, but, of course, can't find it now.

Thanks so much.

kate


  

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