Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510
Hi Kate, a while back on the Italian Renaissance Costuming yahoo group, Salvi posted a link to a scan she had made of this image. It's HUGE...my copy is 26.4Mb. I've done a quick search of the archives and will post it here for you (be warned - it's huge!) http://www.outoftheattic.biz/images/bartolomeo.jpg A link to the message itself: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Italian_Renaissance_Costuming/message/4998 Bella, The Realm of Venus I'm doing the World Vision 40 Hour Famine this year! Please visit... http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/40HourFamine2007.htm ...to find out more. - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 16 August, 2007 11:47:51 AM Subject: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 Greetings. I'm looking for detail images of this portrait by Bartolomeo Veneto: http://www.nationalgalleryimages.co.uk/search.aspx?q=BARTOLOMEO%2C+Venetomode=artistfrm=1 Specifically, I'm looking for a detail of the tulip motifs on the camica. I remember seeing one, but, of course, can't find it now. Thanks so much. kate Get the World's number 1 free email service. http://mail.yahoo.com.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...
Hanging the shirt on a peg. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: Hi! I was wondering... On modern shirts, in the center back, right below the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders, there's very often a little fabric loop. What is it for, or what is it an artifact of? Thanks! Audrey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...
In a message dated 8/17/2007 1:26:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders *** BTW this is called a yolk'. Not all modern shirts have them. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...
Seriously? Wow... I was so sure it was a leftover from some weird forgotten function... Everybody I know hangs the shirt by the collar, not the loop, so the obvious didn't even occur to me... Thanks! On 8/17/07, Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hanging the shirt on a peg. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Calio Day Dresses- was Vogue Tags/Label
Hey Cynthia - I am curious if you know or if you know someone who could give me input on two fabrics I am thinking about using for recreations of Civil warish/frontier dresses. Maybe a better way to ask the question would be where in the 1800 - 1900 period would these fabrics best be used and in what gown. Got tons of both fabrics... I tried looking at some fabric dating books, but was unable to come up with any sureity of my choices. I love making up new words! Sg - Original Message - From: Cinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vogue Tags/Label At 01:44 AM 13/08/2007, you wrote: It's pity RJR the Smithsonian stopped collaborating on those. It was a great way to find historical prints for day dresses. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.commailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510
Thank you. A friend of mine is going to make the tulips for me and I wanted to give her the best image possible. kate - Original Message - From: Bella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:13 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Kate, a while back on the Italian Renaissance Costuming yahoo group, Salvi posted a link to a scan she had made of this image. It's HUGE...my copy is 26.4Mb. I've done a quick search of the archives and will post it here for you (be warned - it's huge!) http://www.outoftheattic.biz/images/bartolomeo.jpg A link to the message itself: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Italian_Renaissance_Costuming/message/4998 Bella, The Realm of Venus I'm doing the World Vision 40 Hour Famine this year! Please visit... http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/40HourFamine2007.htm ...to find out more. - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 16 August, 2007 11:47:51 AM Subject: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 Greetings. I'm looking for detail images of this portrait by Bartolomeo Veneto: http://www.nationalgalleryimages.co.uk/search.aspx?q=BARTOLOMEO%2C+Venetomode=artistfrm=1 Specifically, I'm looking for a detail of the tulip motifs on the camica. I remember seeing one, but, of course, can't find it now. Thanks so much. kate Get the World's number 1 free email service. http://mail.yahoo.com.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...
In a message dated 8/17/2007 1:57:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW this is called a yolk'. Not all modern shirts have them. * Hahahahaha... that should be YOKE, not yolk! I just made 2 fried eggs and was eating them when I posted. Funny how the mind works or doesn't work in this case. Well at least it wasn't my usual typo of Waist of time! [Is that anything like in the neck of time?] ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...
Yolks are for eggs. Yokes are for shirts. And oxen. :-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:56:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: In a message dated 8/17/2007 1:26:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders *** BTW this is called a yolk'. Not all modern shirts have them. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510
How is your friend going to reproduce them? ~ Bridgette On 8/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you. A friend of mine is going to make the tulips for me and I wanted to give her the best image possible. kate ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 380
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:06:53 -0400 From: Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ironing (Was Linen Shir)t To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I wonder if this cooling method comes from mothers who put out their laundry on the clothesline in the winter and the fabric froze. I had not experienced the freezing laundering syndrome until we moved to Illinois. My son's cloth diapers froze stiff on the clothesline. From all my years of living in the Deep South, I had not experienced frozen laundry until then. We didn't have a clothes dryer in our apartment and I had to iron his diapers. At the time, we were snowed in for a week. A friend of mine grew up in Nebraska. She told me that her grandmother ironed everything year round. I recall my mother ironing sheets and pillowcases. My mother was born in a coal-mining town. She said you never hung your washing out when the wind was blowing in certain directions because it would turn black! My grandmother was also a mad ironer (she probably still would be if she spent much time at home these days). She used to iron undies and tea-towels. Claire ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...
Hi, Isnt that just a loop to hang up the shirt with? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... Hi! I was wondering... On modern shirts, in the center back, right below the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders, there's very often a little fabric loop. What is it for, or what is it an artifact of? Thanks! Audrey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...
At 18:56 17/08/2007, you wrote: In a message dated 8/17/2007 1:26:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders *** BTW this is called a yolk'. Not all modern shirts have them. I have always thought it was a yoke, as in the thing mikmaids carry on the shoulders with buckets hanging off. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...
In fact I've heard it referred to as a locker loop. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Aug 17, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: Seriously? Wow... I was so sure it was a leftover from some weird forgotten function... Everybody I know hangs the shirt by the collar, not the loop, so the obvious didn't even occur to me... Thanks! On 8/17/07, Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hanging the shirt on a peg. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...
Audrey, When I was growing up in the Pleistocene, my brothers told me they were called fairy hooks, and were there for the purpose of grabbing (and ripping the guy's shirt, I suppose). No idea what they might be a remnant of though. Here's some more on the phrase (scroll down to see fruit loop and fag tag): http://wordwizard.com/ch_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19517; Laurie From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question... Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:11:10 -0400 Hi! I was wondering... On modern shirts, in the center back, right below the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders, there's very often a little fabric loop. What is it for, or what is it an artifact of? Thanks! Audrey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ See what youre getting into before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510
Will they be enameled or is she going the embroidery route? De -Original Message- Thank you. A friend of mine is going to make the tulips for me and I wanted to give her the best image possible. kate ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] help with fashion parade?
How about Over, Under, Around ...Through the Ages From: A Gardiner-Garden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] help with fashion parade? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:35:44 +1000 I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade - showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas? And ideas how to go about it? It will be held in public next year - I'm trying to put a proposal together. Thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW this is called a yolk'. Not all modern shirts have them. Only ones with unsightly yellow stains :-) (I think you mean yoke) -- Adele de Maisieres - Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus - ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Modern shirt construction question...
Hi! I was wondering... On modern shirts, in the center back, right below the wide pane they use for lining the shoulders, there's very often a little fabric loop. What is it for, or what is it an artifact of? Thanks! Audrey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510
Great scan! I too was almost positive I'd seen a larger image posted on some list somewhere, though I could easily be thinking of some other chemise with similar black ribbons. It looks to me like the black ribbons are laced through loops on the stem end of each tulip, so surely the tulips will need to be metal-based for this to work, right? The loops appear to hold their shape rather than pulling out of shape under the pressure, which screams metal to me. -E House (I've really got to start experimenting with cast pewter.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] help with fashion parade?
I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade - showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas? Thanks, Aylwen Well, the undergarments section should be called A Brief History. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510
- Original Message From: E House [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 snip It looks to me like the black ribbons are laced through loops on the stem end of each tulip, so surely the tulips will need to be metal-based for this to work, right? The loops appear to hold their shape rather than pulling out of shape under the pressure, which screams metal to me. Yep, I agree. Definitely metal, and enamel. I would guess that pure gold would be too soft, but brass doesn't seem quite right. Anyone know whether gold plated silver existed in this period (early 16th century)? I'm not sure if I'm correctly remembering a reference to gold coated/plated/covered silver, akin to our moderm vermeil. Bella, The Realm of Venus I'm doing the World Vision 40 Hour Famine this year! Please visit... http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/40HourFamine2007.htm ...to find out more. Feel safe with award winning spam protection on Yahoo!7 Mail. http://mail.yahoo.com.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Aniline Dyes
Can anyone please point me to a webpage that states when aniline dyes were no longer used in clothing and perfumes. I did a search on Google and haven't come up with an exact date. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510
A weak sub would be to make embroidered appliques, then attaching a metal ring towards the stem end and thread cover the ring. Then applique the tulip to the camicia. De - Original Message It looks to me like the black ribbons are laced through loops on the stem end of each tulip, so surely the tulips will need to be metal-based for this to work, right? The loops appear to hold their shape rather than pulling out of shape under the pressure, which screams metal to me. Yep, I agree. Definitely metal, and enamel. I would guess that pure gold would be too soft, but brass doesn't seem quite right. Anyone know whether gold plated silver existed in this period (early 16th century)? I'm not sure if I'm correctly remembering a reference to gold coated/plated/covered silver, akin to our moderm vermeil. Bella, The Realm of Venus ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510
- Original Message From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 A weak sub would be to make embroidered appliques, then attaching a metal ring towards the stem end and thread cover the ring. Then applique the tulip to the camicia. Brilliant! That would work a treat. :-) Bella Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510
A dear friend of mine is going to cast pewter tulips for me. Since the gown that I made is amethyst, silver/pewter will look very spiff. I'm also planning to color the tulips - a friend of mine makes SCA award medallions and paints them. They still look metallic, but the color is nice and even. kate PS: Thanks so much for the posting of the large image. I do appreciate it! - Original Message - From: Bella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:35 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 A weak sub would be to make embroidered appliques, then attaching a metal ring towards the stem end and thread cover the ring. Then applique the tulip to the camicia. Brilliant! That would work a treat. :-) Bella Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510
- Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for detail of image ca. 1510 A dear friend of mine is going to cast pewter tulips for me. Since the gown that I made is amethyst, silver/pewter will look very spiff. I'm also planning to color the tulips - a friend of mine makes SCA award medallions and paints them. They still look metallic, but the color is nice and even. That will look gorgeous! Amethyst and silver - YUM! I have friends that are great with brass and pewter, and I must admit I've been thinking of showing this to them and asking if they could make me some in either brass or vermeil, simply because I prefer gold and love it with black like in the portrait. I wonder if painting pewter with gold paint would work. PS: Thanks so much for the posting of the large image. I do appreciate it! Oh, you're very welcome, and I'm glad it's been of help, but it was Salvi's scan to begin with, she deserves the thanks. :-) Bella Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
