RE: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun
Sadly for me my hair is slowly becoming less thick and every time I get it "evened up" it gets a bit shorter as well. I have had good luck back in the days of thick, long hair, with taking 3 long "bobby-pin" tightly squeezed not the loose U shape and put them as equidistant around the bun as I could. I used to have short sections come loose and end up in my mouth and face, but then I learned the trick of "french rolling (part your hair in the center, and comb it smoothly to each side. Start at the part line on one side and take a little hair and twist it, then move the roll down and gather in some more hair and twist that in. Keep going until you have reached the area you want the bun to start and put in a big bobby pin to hold it while you do the other side the same way. Gather the two twists together and wind them around and make your bun.) Once you have the short hairs rolled into the longer ones, they tend not to fly around loosely. I've even done this with braids and had it hold throughout the night and next day. If the side rolls don't look nice and even run a comb through them gently that will smooth everything out. If they aren't "fluffy" enough take the sides and tug gently. It can take some practice, but your hair will generally stay put. The only person I've had a problem with was a dancer who had incredibly thick hair (she stopped having headaches when she cut it to mid back. The weight of her hair was actually causing her to flip it and using neck and spine in ways that weren't good for them. I should mention that I rinse my hair about every three to five days (100 strokes with a hog bristle brush that is washed every week with baby shampoo) with as hot water as I can stand and then folded into a towel and allowed to dry completely before I start with the big cedar comb my nephew brought me from China. I may not have the Breck Girl shining hair, but it isn't oily, and it does stay in styles far longer than it did when I washed it with shampoo and conditioner frequently. For the record the lack of Shampoo and Conditioner are not the reason for the hair loss. Ya gotta be tough to get old (er) Wanda > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Frau Anna Bleucher > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:50 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun > > > Marjorie, > > I use hair sticks rather than hair pins. My hair is very long and > very thick, so regular bobby pins I can get at the local stores are > totally useless. I prefer the sturdy metal and wood to the plastic. I > also prefer the two-prong sticks to the singles. You can get short > and plain ones that barely show at all, too. > > Connie > > Wyvern Productions > Painting masterpieces in thread. > http://www.wyvernproductions.com > > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun
I find the best way to keep my hair anchored in the bun or twist is to use either a foam mousse or hairspray before putting it up. Otherwise, it just slides right out no matter how many pins I use. Generally I find the best method for dry hair is to bend over and hang my head down, comb the hair from the nape and lightly spray all through. Then gather it up, twisting as I go, coil it around and pin down. I use the mousse when I have just washed my hair and it is still slightly wet. My hair is currently slightly below waist length. I don't know how this would work on shorter hair, mine has never been shorter than shoulderblade length and was once almost knee length. --- Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All, > > I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I > pinned my hair up in a bun, > only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins > soon after arrival. Do any > of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping > ones hair in a bun until > the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and > not the hair itself? > > Thank you in advance! I do love this loop... > > Marjorie > > Marjorie Gilbert > author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in > Georgian England > www.marjoriegilbert.net > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun
Marjorie, I use hair sticks rather than hair pins. My hair is very long and very thick, so regular bobby pins I can get at the local stores are totally useless. I prefer the sturdy metal and wood to the plastic. I also prefer the two-prong sticks to the singles. You can get short and plain ones that barely show at all, too. Connie Wyvern Productions Painting masterpieces in thread. http://www.wyvernproductions.com Das Nachtjager Fahnlein http://www.wyvernproductions.com/landsknecht/ "Things turn out best for those that make the best of the way things turn out." - Art Linkletter At 05:07 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote: Dear All, I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up in a bun, only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon after arrival. Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a bun until the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and not the hair itself? Thank you in advance! I do love this loop... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: 12/14/2007 11:29 AM ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OT: Keeping hair in bun
Dear All, I had a book signing recently. In preparation, I pinned my hair up in a bun, only to have the whole mass fall out of its pins soon after arrival. Do any of you have any sure-fire suggestions as to keeping ones hair in a bun until the owner of the hair wishes to remove the pins, and not the hair itself? Thank you in advance! I do love this loop... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Just received (warning: offbeat humor)
> That's a riot! I liked it (though it's probably just a wee bit OT). A wee bit, maybe, but in fact I use St. Sebastian as an example in my lecture on "using images of saints for costume sources." He's usually just wearing a loincloth, which isn't much help, but some late medieval painters put him in braies or even hose, with good detail of the bits you usually can't see on someone fully dressed. Even better, a few 15th c. Flemish paintings show his extremely fashionable upperclass garments scattered on the ground beside him, giving you views from angles you never get to see in wear, and with seams and linings evident. --Robin _ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Just received (warning: offbeat humor)
On Saturday 15 December 2007, Brangwyne wrote: > *giggle* > > _ > > Just got the silliest, funniest, most appropriate gift from a dear friend. > I think this has come up on the list before, but if not, it's worth calling > attention to (you might have to cut-and-paste the URL if it breaks): > > http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=Product_Detail&item= >0195 > > Obviously perfect for an art historian who (1) sews and (2) lectures on > saint symbolism! That's a riot! I liked it (though it's probably just a wee bit OT). -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Just received (warning: offbeat humor)
*giggle* _ Just got the silliest, funniest, most appropriate gift from a dear friend. I think this has come up on the list before, but if not, it's worth calling attention to (you might have to cut-and-paste the URL if it breaks): http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=Product_Detail&item=0195 Obviously perfect for an art historian who (1) sews and (2) lectures on saint symbolism! --Robin _ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Just received (warning: offbeat humor)
Just got the silliest, funniest, most appropriate gift from a dear friend. I think this has come up on the list before, but if not, it's worth calling attention to (you might have to cut-and-paste the URL if it breaks): http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=Product_Detail&item=0195 Obviously perfect for an art historian who (1) sews and (2) lectures on saint symbolism! --Robin _ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_122007___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung
--- Zuzana Kraemerova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Could these two be douppioni? > Yes. Both could be dupioni. What the All About Silks book will tell you is that every manufacturer calls what they make by different names, and that those names may not have anything to do with what the next manufacturer will call it's fabrics. In general, they try to call them by similar names, but fashion being fashion, they will call some things by other names, and confuse us poor consumers in the process. I would worry less about what "they" might call a given fabric, and chose based on the desired fabric qualities you want, and whatever you and your sister agree on, and what is available that is similar. That's why I like the book, because it not only tells you the common term, it will also give you what a particular fabric type is good for in creating a garment... fitted vs semi-fitted vs loosely constructed, for one example. How well a given fabric drapes, or doesn't, how crisp the hand or how fluid. The swatches really help as well, so you can compare their "dupioni" with the "dupioni" or "shantung" your sister sends you, and have a better idea of what it really is so you can plan your projects accordingly. And the series also has a book on cotton fabrics, and a book on wool fabrics. I wish they had one on linens, but not that I know of. Kimiko Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung. .......memories of stinky silk
ahh stinky silksbrings back lovely memories of wearing a beautiful silk fiber sweater to jr high, having it rain, then suffering the rest of the day with gaggles of 14 yr olds commenting on the terrible fishy smell in the room. melody Kimiko Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think our dupioni has more sizing or something, cause when I buy it is hangs pretty stiffly similar to taffeta (but definitely not the same), but when washed and pressed it goes limp like nothing. And taffeta has a nasty chemical smell when washed, and the wrinkles in taffeta never goes away (yeah, I washed it once) even with lots of high steam, but becomes fairly crisp upon drying. I prefer shantung over dupioni, but dupioni is so much easier to find in lots of colors, including metallics. Shantung does seem to be a nicer, finer silk to work with. I also like taffeta, but not so happy with how to work with it. I like working with washed silks that don't stink. Kimiko --- Suzi Clarke wrote: > This may well be so in the U.S. but, like Bjarne, I > have always > understood shantung to be the finer fabric. In > England, most dupion > is not stiff like taffeta, but more inclined to be > floppy. Shantung > is a fabric used for shirts, blouses etc., like a > finer dupion. They > do both ravel like mad though. > > Like I say, that is what I understand to be the U.K. > comparisons. > > Suzi Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Speaking of Uniquely You.... what I frequently use......
I have replaced the bases of my forms with clearence iron patio umbrella stands, they usually have an adjustment screw built in and nothing can tip them over. You may have to cut a short closet rod dowel about 1 1/2 /2" wide drill out a hole to fit the original metal rod of the form,and slide in. I can't see my UU at the moment, my sewing room has become the "xmas gift hiding place" and my brain is too fried to remember what the stand looks liker ight now. )thoses iron pato sands are really usuful, when my lazy husband did not replace the pole mounted mail box into the front lawn position, and the mailperson got tired of putting the mail in a laying on the ground mailbox, i whipped out the old patio umbrella stand and mounted the mail box in it.) Melody Galadriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Has anyone found a way to rig or replace the stands so they're not so wimpy and wobbly? --Rachel Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Speaking of Uniquely You....
A stout wooden dowel on a wood platform frame works for me. Sometimes I can use the stop-slide from the original stand. I have also contemplated re-cycling weighted lamp bases. Kathleen - Original Message - From: "Galadriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:09 AM Subject: [h-cost] Speaking of Uniquely You Has anyone found a way to rig or replace the stands so they're not so wimpy and wobbly? --Rachel Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] removing blod stains
Or buy some of those little glass discs that fit over the candle (bobesches)! My china is blue and white and I love to use blue candles; my cloths are embroidered linen, crochet, and the 'army' model of linen squares and oblongs set with lace insertion and bordered with lace...all hand made. I used to use only white candles which are far more formal than my dinner parties seem to be. Kathleen Original Message - From: "Sharon Collier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Historical Costume'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 2:26 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] removing blod stains I notice that colored wax is a problem. So, match your candles to your tablecloth! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:47 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] removing blod stains Speaking of removing stains, I thought folks might find this useful. It covers food stains you might encounter during the holiday season. I know a number of us go to parties and events in costume. The Party's Over Stain Guide Here's what to do - at the fatal moment and the morning after. http://lifestyle.msn.com/homeandgarden/home/articlegh.aspx?cp-documentid=581 5504>1=10715 Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Speaking of Uniquely You....
Has anyone found a way to rig or replace the stands so they're not so wimpy and wobbly? --Rachel Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung
sorry the html somehow didn't work, so once more: "The two fabrics I've got at home are both like a softer taffeta, one is a bit more uneven than the other and has less slubs, but they both weight the same. The more uneven one looks like this: http://www.onlinesilkfabricstore.com/Dupioni_Silk_Fabric_p/dps-orchidlimesapphire.htm and the other like this: http://www.dharmatrading.com/fabric/silk/dupion.html Could these two be douppioni? - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung
Thanks for all the help! I think I'll definitely go for the book about silks, it might also help me with giving a name to another fabric I don't know the name of. I know exactly the possible mm of the fabrics in China, and the shantung or dupioni (Chinese call it shuan-gong, which is probably shantung) has 19 to 22mm. But it's usually 19. I called it shantung till someone told me it's dupioni, and from then on I was unsure about the name. My sister'll arrive for Christmas, so we can talk things over and I'm sure we'll solve that mystery... The two fabrics I've got at home are both like a softer taffeta, one is a bit more uneven than the other and has less slubs, but they both weight the same. The more uneven one looks like this and the other like this. Could these two be douppioni? Then my sister once brought from China something looking similar to the second fabric (less slubs), but finer,thinner, more tightly woven, and not really ressembling taffeta, it was heavier and "flowier". This might have been the shantung...? Zuzana Chiara Francesca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I do understand where you all are coming from Suzi but please realize that unlike European countries the US no longer has a silk mass producer that I know of, there may be small runs of it for specialty markets. Kimiko, correct me if I am wrong, you would know that better than I. All of our silk comes from overseas. All the ones I see have India stamped on the bolt ends. For the finer silks however there is a bridal shop here that we all hit and their bolt ends have Japan or China stamped on them. I have never seen silk bolt ends with any other country's stamp on it. In the end, Zuzana, look for the weight. Since you are not there with your sister in China ask her to look at the weights and to look at the surface. If you can get the book of swatches that Kimiko recommends do it and send it to her asap or see if she can get one where she is at. If you have the fabric you want already, send her that swatch so that she can compare it. :) Chiara Francesca -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:36 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung At 17:16 14/12/2007, you wrote: >Dupioni is the lighter weight fabric, as it is a thin >even weave with the same or similar warp and weft >threads. Shantung ends up heavier, as it has weft >filler threads that thicken the fabric, giving it a >pronounced rib effect. It has fewer slubs because they >use a finer silk in the warp, but use thick and thin >dual threads similar to the dupioni as the rib weft. > >Some places consider them the same fabric type, but >they really are not. Dupioni is more like a slubby >taffeta in weight and weave, and in stiffness. >Shantung ... I can't say what it is similar to, but >not really similar to dupioni except for the >occasional slub roughness. > >Both fabrics do have issues with raveling a lot while >working with them. This may well be so in the U.S. but, like Bjarne, I have always understood shantung to be the finer fabric. In England, most dupion is not stiff like taffeta, but more inclined to be floppy. Shantung is a fabric used for shirts, blouses etc., like a finer dupion. They do both ravel like mad though. Like I say, that is what I understand to be the U.K. comparisons. Suzi >Kimiko > > >--- Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > > > Thanks very much!! > > > > If I understood right, shantung is 29mm and > > douppioni 19mm, which means that shantung is much > > heavier? This makes me a bit confused as from the > > definitions I understood that Shantung might be the > > finer (less slubs) = and lighter one? > > > > >___ _ >Looking for last minute shopping deals? >Find them fast with Yahoo! >Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >___ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
