RE: [h-cost] Re: Tudors & Sweating Sickness (OT)
In the "Little House" books, Laura writes about a fabric they called "mosquito bar", which they put over the windows to try and keep the bugs out. Does that count for costume/fabric content? :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leah L Watts Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudors & Sweating Sickness (OT) > Interesting. My daughter mentioned malaria but I told her it > couldn't be that because it's tropical. Cholera was mentioned as > well. I was thinking along the lines of the horrible influenza in the > U.S. in 19...teens that killed so many. Wasn't it called the Spanish > Influenza? I've seen references to malaria in England in Victorian times, but don't have the books handy right now. And yes, the 1918 pandemic was known as the Spanish Flu (despite starting out in Kansas, USA). Sweating sickness doesn't quite match the 1918 symptoms ... but flu viruses are so mutable, you really can't go by that. Costume content, costume content, there's gotta be some around here ... "America's Forgotten Pandemic" has several references (and photos) of people wearing gauze masks to protect themselves from the flu. Anyone ever do a Costume Con historical masquerade entry from 1918 with flu masks? (It'll be Milwaukee before I can go again, but I'm trying to decide on an entry early.) Leah ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Teddy and calling people in the San Francisco area...
Greetings, I'm passing on a message for Teddy. There those of you who might remember him. Anyway, he and his partner Tom will be going to Costume Con. They would like to spend about three weeks in California in the SF area around Costume Con and thought that "in case anyone on there remembers me and wants to meet up or whatever (or has any suggestions for reasonably inexpensive accommodation!!!)" :-) So, if you feel like answering this "call" please email Teddy directly (the sooner, the better) at Teddy at mdx.ac.uk Thanks everyone! Cheers, Danielle ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: NESAT IX
This IS available from Oxbow/David Brown. This will be easier than getting it from the Swiss bookstore. Nancy / Ingvild **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] NESAT IX
NESAT IX is now available from a Swiss book store. (NESAT stands for North European Symposium for Archaeological Textiles.) _www.lesestoff.ch/fulldisplay?ISBN=9783033012677_ (http://www.lesestoff.ch/fulldisplay?ISBN=9783033012677) When you check out, do NOT put in a password. To them, that means you will be accessing a band account. For "country", find "Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika". I should imagine that this will become available through Archetype and/or Oxbow/David Brown in the near future. Nancy Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) Ingvild Josefsdatter, OL Kingdom of Atlantia **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] NESAT IX
nancy, Since I'm back in The South... would the Guild like a box of cotton boles for their gift bags? If you send me your address, I'll get one to them through you. There is lots of cotton around here, some greenish but all puffy. They make lovely shelf displays. Just let me know. I'm setting up my loom but so far no project done. I've been embroidering and quilting. I'm working for my local paper doing artwork and making ads. It's never the same thing twice. I work all day then go home to my quilting for now. When my art room is set up the way I want it, I'll get back to weaving.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:46:34 -0500> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: > Subject: [h-cost] NESAT IX> > NESAT IX is now available from a Swiss book store. (NESAT stands for North > European Symposium for Archaeological Textiles.)> > _www.lesestoff.ch/fulldisplay?ISBN=9783033012677_ > (http://www.lesestoff.ch/fulldisplay?ISBN=9783033012677) > > When you check out, do NOT put in a password. To them, that means you will > be accessing a band account.> > For "country", find "Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika".> > I should imagine that this will become available through Archetype and/or > Oxbow/David Brown in the near future.> > Nancy > > Nancy Spies> Arelate Studio> _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ > (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) > Ingvild Josefsdatter, OL > Kingdom of Atlantia> > > > > > > **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489> ___> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Teddy and calling people in the San Francisco area...
Ok, that's a "Squee" in processI'm going to CostumeCon. JonnaLyhn Wolfcat aka Angharad verch Reynulf, BAO, An Tir - Original Message From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:01:57 AM Subject: [h-cost] Teddy and calling people in the San Francisco area... Greetings, I'm passing on a message for Teddy. There those of you who might remember him. Anyway, he and his partner Tom will be going to Costume Con. They would like to spend about three weeks in California in the SF area around Costume Con and thought that "in case anyone on there remembers me and wants to meet up or whatever (or has any suggestions for reasonably inexpensive accommodation!!!)" :-) So, if you feel like answering this "call" please email Teddy directly (the sooner, the better) at Teddy at mdx.ac.uk Thanks everyone! Cheers, Danielle ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] white wool stockings
That's interesting. I wonder which of these dancers really did invent them... I'm just thankful that they are invented! I remember those horrible girdles I wore before pantyhose were available to us regular people. LynnD On 1/10/08, Sarah Paterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In Ginger Roger's autobiography, she claims the invention. > Sarah Paterson > > -Original Message- > > Ruth Anne asked if anyone had personal experience with pantyhose before > 1962 > and Lauren listed Wikipedia's history. In 1962 I was 9-10 and still > wearing > white socks to church. However, my understanding is that Ann Miller - the > dancer/actor/singer with the incredible legs - held the patent for the > first > pantyhose as pantyhose. If you've ever seen her dance in her many movies, > she always lifts her skirts so you can see how fast she's tapping and > lifts > them as high as possible; she really did have amazingly beautiful, long > legs > into her 70s. Anyway, she found a need for stockings that were higher than > the usual stockings and went from there. She was very big starting in the > mid-late 1950s, right? > > Time for me to watch "On the Town" and "Kiss Me Kate" again... > LynnD > > > On 1/10/08, Ruth Anne Baumgartner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > No, they were definitely pantyhose--like stockings but attached to, > > well, stocking panties. Nobody could tell we weren't bare-legged. > > --Ruth Anne > > > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 4:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > My two cents: > > > 1) My late brother used to wear men's large Danskin ballet tights > > > as long underwear under his (fashionably tight) jeans. I mention > > > the male-dancer's tights as they might fit Bjarne better -- tights > > > or pantyhose that are too small get uncomfortable pretty fast, > > > either pulling on your kneecaps or creeping down until the crotch > > > is between your knees. Which will be particularly uncomfy in 18th- > > > century breeches! > > > > > > 2) Wikipedia says panty hose were first manufactured in 1965, but > > > prior to that, there were little girls' and dancers' tights -- I > > > remember having them as a toddler at least as early as 1960. > > > Wikipedia attributes the full-body "leotard" (which went to the > > > ankles) to, ahem, Jules Leotard, who died in 1870. (The first > > > recorded use of "leotard" to describe a dancer's or acrobat's > > > costume in English is 1886, according to Wikipedia again.) The > > > tights from my childhood weren't sheer like pantyhose -- indeed > > > some of them were waffle-weave, like thermals -- but they came in > > > flesh-tone colors (like "ballet pink", a slightly peachy pale pink) > > > and might be what you remember wearing under your marching band > > > skirt. They would have been warmer than pantyhose; living in > > > upstate New York, with its cold winters, I remember continuing to > > > prefer tights to pantyhose for winter wear through the mid-70s. > > > Actually, I prefer them today; they last far longer and usually fit > > > better. > > > -- Original message -- > > > From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >> As a former marching-band member, I'd like to second (belatedly) the > > >> recommendation of pantyhose (or tights) to layer with Bjarne's period > > >> stockings. > > >> > > >>> On a costume-history note: interestingly, I keep hearing that > > >> pantyhose were invented in the late 'sixties, and certainly I didn't > > >> routinely buy them for ordinary wear until '68 or so; but my friends > > >> Connie, Joyce, another Joyce, Patty, Marilyn, Rita, and Marcia would > > >> join me in testifying that our mothers found them, bought them, and > > >> saved our musical knees with them as early as 1962. Can anyone else > > >> pinpoint an earliest-available date, from her own experience? > > >> > > >> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > >> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > >> > > >> On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:40:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >>> > > >>> The best bet may be to layer stockings. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> * > > >>> > > >>> This is what I was thinking too. > > >>> > > >>> Unless you want a more rustic look with the wool, I'd get a pair of > > >>> pantyhose or tights. They are very warm in themselves, but put your > > >>> silk stockings > > >>> over them and you should be quite warmunless it's like way > > >>> below freezing. > > >>> The modern super-stretchy tights would be very smooth and more > > >>> than likely > > >>> undetectable under your correct period stockings. > > >>> > > >>> Even if you do get some fine wool stockings, layering may be needed > > >>> to keep > > >>> you warm. Are there not depictions of men in layers of different > > >>> colored > > >>> stockings...some rolled down a bit to show the layers underneath? > > >>> Or is that too > > >>> early? Too dand
[h-cost] Re: NESAT IX
Hi Nancy, I'm glad that you found a copy. It is as good as ever. Yes, it is available from DBBC (I make it my mission to notify DBBC when the NESATs become available) but there is a pretty good markup on the price... they have to stay in business. It really wasn't too hard to order from the Swiss online seller, but there were a few tricky bits. Nice fast delivery too. Are you going to the NESAT 10 conference in Copenhagen in May? Beth At 01:00 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:48:15 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This IS available from Oxbow/David Brown. This will be easier than getting it from the Swiss bookstore. Nancy / Ingvild ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] sweating sickness
One of the historical fiction novels I read year's ago mentioned that the disease had an uncanny ability to seek out Englishmen in other countries (diet, perhaps?) & also that it seemed to be associated with outbreaks of murrain in cattle. Does anyone know the modern name for that disease? Carol Mitchell Carol Mitchell listowner Costumemidwest www.yahoogroups.com/group/costumemidwest - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] The costume I wore for my holiday...
After all those h-costume msgs describing holiday wear for parties, Dicken's Fair, 12th night, New Years eve and the like, I suspect we'd all love to see pictures of each other in our finery. I know I would. The favor of a website, flickr page or smug mug link, is requested. Anyone brave enough to share? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] NESAT IX
On Friday 11 January 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > NESAT IX is now available from a Swiss book store. (NESAT stands for > North European Symposium for Archaeological Textiles.) > > _www.lesestoff.ch/fulldisplay?ISBN=9783033012677_ > (http://www.lesestoff.ch/fulldisplay?ISBN=9783033012677) > > When you check out, do NOT put in a password. To them, that means you > will be accessing a band account. > > For "country", find "Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika". The page they use to ask for your credit card information is not secured, though. So I do not intend to give them my credit card information this way, and I don't know enough German to ask them to telephone me for the information. > I should imagine that this will become available through Archetype and/or > Oxbow/David Brown in the near future. As someone already said, it is available now but at a premium. However, DBBC has a history of changing their prices--sometimes both unexpectedly and dramatically--to reflect their supply of a book, and other factors. So in this circumstance, I guess I'm going to be waiting for them to cut their price. -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
