[h-cost] 1750 embroidered purse
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[h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Muckinger construction
Otsisto wrote: Muckinger or Muckender (Ger. schnupftuch (sp?) )Is a handkerchief. This is the first I have heard of it being two layers but I am not an expert on this. -Original Message- I have a quick question for those of you who go to the Bristol Ren Faire. Ansel was asking me to make him something called a muckinger which he saw for sale at the Faire. It was a double layer embroidered hanky. Based on his description, I am thinking that the double layer was to cover the back of machine embroidery stitching. Can anybody point me to a description of this accessory? I did a google search and didn't come up with much. None of the examples shown were double layered. I've seen it spelled "muckinder" (in the Cunnington 17th century book). A Google search on that brings up several definitions, mainly calling it a child's handkerchief worn attached to the clothing. I don't think the double layer construction is essential. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] new waistcoat
Yesterday evening i finnished the second part of the new waistcoat. I am pleased, it looks like porcelain i think. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g10.htm Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Muckinger construction
The term 'muckinger' is just an Elizabethan term for 'handkercheif'. There's no special construction implied. The double layered-ness is, as you suspected, a modern cheat so that machine embroidery can be used. In period a muckinger might be plain linen or it might have a lace edge or a bit of blackwork around the edge. You are also right in that initials aren't really done that much in period. If there's a symbol Ansel likes to use as a personal 'device', it would be more appropriate to have that embroidered on it. Karen Seamstrix Philadelphia, Lady Scrope BRF, Guild of St. George -- "Kate M Bunting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Otsisto wrote: Muckinger or Muckender (Ger. schnupftuch (sp?) )Is a handkerchief. This is the first I have heard of it being two layers but I am not an expert on this. -Original Message- I have a quick question for those of you who go to the Bristol Ren Faire. Ansel was asking me to make him something called a muckinger which he saw for sale at the Faire. It was a double layer embroidered hanky. Based on his description, I am thinking that the double layer was to cover the back of machine embroidery stitching. Can anybody point me to a description of this accessory? I did a google search and didn't come up with much. None of the examples shown were double layered. I've seen it spelled "muckinder" (in the Cunnington 17th century book). A Google search on that brings up several definitions, mainly calling it a child's handkerchief worn attached to the clothing. I don't think the double layer construction is essential. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nNbXPqEZg2JjtrIYvUMWCaKbT5ijRu5WoXx8Yxulaj3rTQs/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] new waistcoat
You should be pleased - it's wonderful (as usual)! Patty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:56 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] new waistcoat Yesterday evening i finnished the second part of the new waistcoat. I am pleased, it looks like porcelain i think. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g10.htm Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Waistcoat:
"Yesterday evening i finnished the second part of the new waistcoat. I am pleased, it looks like porcelain i think. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g10.htm"; __ That is absolutely stunning, is the embroidery hand done or by machine?? There's an art I would love to learn. More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Embroidery
Anyone who can embroider ultimately has my respect. It is amazing what that embellishment can do for any project, how it can alter it so much in appearance. A lady friend of mine brought some of her Chinese antiques for display at our China themed tea and what she had was amazing. She bought them there years ago for a song and are probably worth over a thousand dollars! She had a skirt going back to the 1800s (not sure which dynasty that would have been) but let me tell you.. it was made of a series of different coloured silk panels all pleated over one another vertically, and each panel was hand embroidered the full length!! She had many peices of the same quality and all the embroidery was done by hand and it was so fine, that you could NOT find a single knot on the back, the embroidery was reversible!! We guessed that the artists must have used a continuous stitch but the use of colours in each design was immense so it's mind boggling trying to understand how. There was a peice of embroidery that was a decorative piece, it was a little white cat chasing a grasshopper but it was set in round glass with a round wooden frame and stand and all there was was the cat and the grasshopper further down, they weren't even connected and it was too reversible, it looked so real the rendering of the fur! More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] new waistcoat
O, Bjarne, just saw the pictures on LJ - I am SO coveting this. It is beautiful! Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO wildernesse, the Outlands http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:56 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] new waistcoat Yesterday evening i finnished the second part of the new waistcoat. I am pleased, it looks like porcelain i think. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g10.htm Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Waistcoat:
Manny thanks. The embroidery surely is hand done. No machine here. Bjarne - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: [h-cost] Waistcoat: "Yesterday evening i finnished the second part of the new waistcoat. I am pleased, it looks like porcelain i think. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g10.htm"; __ That is absolutely stunning, is the embroidery hand done or by machine?? There's an art I would love to learn. More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Millinery:
Lady Bean, Cape May NJ is relatively close to you. It is a wonderful source for Victorian Items. It is a long trip from northern NJ, but a few of my friends go to Cape May at various times during the year for fabulous Weekend dances and activities-dressed in Victorian Attire, of course. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 14, 2008, at 1:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In regards to where I am located, unfortunately for the sake of historical costuming/dancing, I was born in the wrong place it seems. I am in the oldest region of the US, Philadelphia area, and it is absolutely dry in terms of places not only to take classes on any sort of Victorian or period costuming, but there aren't any events that happen in this immediate area to wear them to. Nothing good is less than 3 hours from here in any direction so it is hard to get to places that hold ongoing classes. In fact, it seems only the west coast offers the best variety, I was considering going to the costume college this spring but it was sold out, maybe next year. About the hats, there are a couple in my possession that are opened underneath and you can see the innerds, they usually tend to be made up much in the same way, with a wire frame and buckram or some sort of hay stuffing. Were there specific rules to those things in those days or did the milliners just make them the best they could using their own skills to replicate the latest fashions I wonder? The tricky part seems to be creating hats or bonnets with asymetrical frames, moreso to cover them with fabrics such as velvet where the material seemed to perfectly fitted. The trimmings were so unusual at times, I have a tiny little bonnet that is overflowing with an assortment of trims, many of which I don't think I could even identify! It's hard to find such trimmings in the modern market. There are little tiny metal balls in the size of peas dangling all over, stiff curly thin gold stems sticking out all over, the usual vibrant coloured silk foliage, lace, velvet tabs, etc. Thank you for the suggestion on the book by Denise Dreher, that will be the next Amazon search. Goodnight:) ___ _ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] new waistcoat
It is beautiful! A friend just embroidered an 18th C Frockcoat I am sewing - I will take photos soon to share, but we are both very inspired by your work! Regards, Aylwen http://www.bordonia.org On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Frank A Thallas Jr < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > O, Bjarne, just saw the pictures on LJ - I am SO coveting this. It > is > beautiful! > > Liadain > > THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO > wildernesse, the Outlands > http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:56 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] new waistcoat > > Yesterday evening i finnished the second part of the new waistcoat. I am > pleased, it looks like porcelain i think. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g10.htm > > Bjarne > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Embroidery
the chinese uses an arrangement of 3 seed stitches to secure the start and the end of the embroidery thread. In good chinese embroidery there should not be a single knot unless it is pekingeese. Tania [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who can embroider ultimately has my respect. It is amazing what that embellishment can do for any project, how it can alter it so much in appearance. A lady friend of mine brought some of her Chinese antiques for display at our China themed tea and what she had was amazing. She bought them there years ago for a song and are probably worth over a thousand dollars! She had a skirt going back to the 1800s (not sure which dynasty that would have been) but let me tell you.. it was made of a series of different coloured silk panels all pleated over one another vertically, and each panel was hand embroidered the full length!! She had many peices of the same quality and all the embroidery was done by hand and it was so fine, that you could NOT find a single knot on the back, the embroidery was reversible!! We guessed that the artists must have used a continuous stitch but the use of colours in each design was immense so it's mind boggling trying to understand how. There was a peice of embroidery that was a decorative piece, it was a little white cat chasing a grasshopper but it was set in round glass with a round wooden frame and stand and all there was was the cat and the grasshopper further down, they weren't even connected and it was too reversible, it looked so real the rendering of the fur! More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] new waistcoat
Bjarne, as always, your workmanship - nay - craftsmanship of genius is absolutely stunning! Julian & Sally Wilson, in "old" Jersey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:56 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] new waistcoat Yesterday evening i finnished the second part of the new waistcoat. I am pleased, it looks like porcelain i think. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g10.htm Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Cape May:
Susan, it is about three hours from where I am and too far for a one day trip, I suppose staying overnight is a good idea but most of the b&bs and hotels in Cape May have really increased rates because of it being such a tourist area. Can ladies attend the dances without a partner? I was told that it doesn't matter because with dance cards partners change throughout the night anyhow. More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Cape May
Justine, I don't go to the dances. I have a horse at home with me and we spend our time and money doing Horse Things while the other ladies and their gentlemen do Costume Things. I am part of a small group that volunteers at Acorn Hall in Morristown. The ladies are very nice and help each other sew Period Correct clothing and make hats for the outfits. Ask your local Historical Society if there is a similar group near you. I found them by accident while touring the Hall. We are in a hotbed of Revolutionary War sites here in NJ, but if you look, you can find Victorian activities. In fact, while the rest of the ladies are hostess-ing at Acorn Hall, I am with other horse friends, riding sidesaddle at Fosterfields Living History Farm during Victorian Weekend in early May, each year. All the ladies that go to the dances do not have a gentleman, so I am sure the dances are open to you. Google Cape May attractions and see what you find! Have fun! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 14, 2008, at 4:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, it is about three hours from where I am and too far for a one day trip, I suppose staying overnight is a good idea but most of the b&bs and hotels in Cape May have really increased rates because of it being such a tourist area. Can ladies attend the dances without a partner? I was told that it doesn't matter because with dance cards partners change throughout the night anyhow. ___ _ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] new waistcoat
Aylwen, I do Renaissance dancing also. Do you have any videos of your performances? We mostly do Italian and French court dances. Sharon C.(oops, have to add costume content-we do them in period costume) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aylwen Garden Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:43 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] new waistcoat It is beautiful! A friend just embroidered an 18th C Frockcoat I am sewing - I will take photos soon to share, but we are both very inspired by your work! Regards, Aylwen http://www.bordonia.org On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Frank A Thallas Jr < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > O, Bjarne, just saw the pictures on LJ - I am SO coveting this. > It is beautiful! > > Liadain > > THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO > wildernesse, the Outlands > http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Leif og Bjarne Drews > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:56 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] new waistcoat > > Yesterday evening i finnished the second part of the new waistcoat. I > am pleased, it looks like porcelain i think. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/g10.htm > > Bjarne > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
