Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
I would suggest using a medium weight natural color linen as a straight sleeveless shift/tunic. Then do the bead net and fasten it down to the undershift. Ginni Morgan >>> Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7/18/08 9:55 PM >>> Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? On Jul 21, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Ginni Morgan wrote: I would suggest using a medium weight natural color linen as a straight sleeveless shift/tunic. Then do the bead net and fasten it down to the undershift. Ginni Morgan Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7/18/08 9:55 PM >>> Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Think macrame for this one. The beads are on cord which is netted together to create the dress, NOT sewn onto a net fabric. Thus you need to make your beaded macrame shell and then line it with something solid (the linen shift). However, if you choose to applique the beads to clothe and then sew up the shift, DO NOT use net fabric. It won't be strong enough to support the weight of the beads. My first encounter with this dress was the article in KMR (a journal re Egyptian archaeology) which discussed the find and the reconstruction. IIRC, the hypothesis there was that this was worn over some form of a linen garment the style of which is presently unknown. Ginni >>> Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7/21/08 9:50 AM >>> It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? On Jul 21, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Ginni Morgan wrote: > I would suggest using a medium weight natural color linen as a > straight sleeveless shift/tunic. Then do the bead net and fasten it > down to the undershift. > > Ginni Morgan > Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7/18/08 9:55 PM >>> > Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might > work for a stage costume of this? > > > Sylvia Rognstad > Divinity Designs and Emeralds > http://www.d-e-designs.com > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may > contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is > solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized > interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate > applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. > If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and > destroy all copies of the communication. > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Sylvia Rognstad wrote: It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? I used to see "fishnet" sold for decorating, in a little package with some seashells in some asian import shops on the east coast. Something like that, painted or dyed and decorated might work. We don't have shops like that in the midwest, so I don't know if that sort of thing is still available. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
I havent seen any fishnet for quite some time, but I'll look around. Thanks. Sylvia On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Dawn wrote: Sylvia Rognstad wrote: It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? I used to see "fishnet" sold for decorating, in a little package with some seashells in some asian import shops on the east coast. Something like that, painted or dyed and decorated might work. We don't have shops like that in the midwest, so I don't know if that sort of thing is still available. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
I had been thinking of crocheting, but I really don't want to have to macrame a dress either. That's why I asked if anyone had come across a netted fabric that would work. I know that nylon net is way too weak. Sylvia On Jul 21, 2008, at 11:02 AM, Ginni Morgan wrote: Think macrame for this one. The beads are on cord which is netted together to create the dress, NOT sewn onto a net fabric. Thus you need to make your beaded macrame shell and then line it with something solid (the linen shift). However, if you choose to applique the beads to clothe and then sew up the shift, DO NOT use net fabric. It won't be strong enough to support the weight of the beads. My first encounter with this dress was the article in KMR (a journal re Egyptian archaeology) which discussed the find and the reconstruction. IIRC, the hypothesis there was that this was worn over some form of a linen garment the style of which is presently unknown. Ginni Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7/21/08 9:50 AM >>> It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? On Jul 21, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Ginni Morgan wrote: I would suggest using a medium weight natural color linen as a straight sleeveless shift/tunic. Then do the bead net and fasten it down to the undershift. Ginni Morgan Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7/18/08 9:55 PM >>> Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood?
Ailith wrote: Do the crosses floating above the heads mean that the person is dead? Just curious. That rings a bell for me, and it would make sense. It might also explain why those particular figures are wearing crowns. (I came into this late, just when I saw that last note, so I don't know if the crowns were already discussed.) --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Historic Textiles Examination from Burgos Cathedral, Madrid Spain
http://www.middelaldercentret.dk/pdf/burgosrapport.pdf My friend Camilla Louise Dahl sent this link to me to share. Enjoy Sg Sorry if this is a repeat - it didn't appear to come through on H-costume. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Try Rose Brand fabrics for 1" scenery netting http://www.rosebrand.com/product787/30-Scenery-Netting-FR.aspx?cid=158&idx=6 300&tid=1&info=Netting Kate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:56 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
For fishnets, try Hobby Lobby, or the Party Store (I think that's the name), or anyplace that sells Hawaiian party stuff. Even Albertsons used to carry it in the summer years ago. It's Luau Time! :-) Happy sewing, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:08:29 -0600 From: Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I havent seen any fishnet for quite some time, but I'll look around. Thanks. Sylvia ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Sylvia wrote: >I had been thinking of crocheting, but I really don't want to have to >macrame a dress either. That's why I asked if anyone had come across >a netted fabric that would work. I know that nylon net is way too >weak. Yes, my chief concern would be finding a way to attach or hang the beads that was *strong enough.* That many beads are going to be *very* heavy, and I'd be afraid that even sewing them onto linen fabric would not be strong enough. I would guess that the original beads were threaded onto the actual string from which the net was made. If you do find some fishnet (1 inch squares or something like that) I'd suggest threading the beads on something strong and also sewing them individually to the strings of the net (i.e. sew through each bead, not just over the string they are threaded on). Of course, if you aren't particularly looking for durability, this becomes less important and you do have more alternatives (many of which will be less work). I don't know whether Gillian Vogelsang-Eastwood's book on Pharaonic clothing addresses this type of garment, but that might be a good source to check. 0 Chris Laning | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Chris Laning wrote: Yes, my chief concern would be finding a way to attach or hang the beads that was *strong enough.* That many beads are going to be *very* heavy, and I'd be afraid that even sewing them onto linen fabric would not be strong enough. I would guess that the original beads were threaded onto the actual string from which the net was made. I was thinking, for stage use, if I was doing it I would try making paper beads right on the net, stretch it in a frame or something and roll slips of paper on it like this: http://www.tappi.org/paperu/art_class/paperBeads.htm You could use silver or gold wrapping paper for metallic beads, and it would weigh a lot less than plastic or glass beads. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Historic Textiles Examination from Burgos Cathedral, Madrid Spain
OH, thank you. Mari / Bridgette On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Saragrace Knauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.middelaldercentret.dk/pdf/burgosrapport.pdf > > My friend Camilla Louise Dahl sent this link to me to share. Enjoy > > Sg > > Sorry if this is a repeat - it didn't appear to come through on H-costume. > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood?
I have today made a mock up of the head dress from 1600 and i found pictures wich i was allowed to use from an effigy figure at the Ribe Cathedral in Denmark. This is the type of head dress wich was found in a grave recently! I suppose the round shape you can see under the head dress must be a hair pad or something? Here you can see the pictures: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Paper beads might be a good idea. Thanx! Sylvia On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Dawn wrote: Chris Laning wrote: Yes, my chief concern would be finding a way to attach or hang the beads that was *strong enough.* That many beads are going to be *very* heavy, and I'd be afraid that even sewing them onto linen fabric would not be strong enough. I would guess that the original beads were threaded onto the actual string from which the net was made. I was thinking, for stage use, if I was doing it I would try making paper beads right on the net, stretch it in a frame or something and roll slips of paper on it like this: http://www.tappi.org/paperu/art_class/paperBeads.htm You could use silver or gold wrapping paper for metallic beads, and it would weigh a lot less than plastic or glass beads. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Thank you! Sylvia On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Kate Pinner wrote: Try Rose Brand fabrics for 1" scenery netting http://www.rosebrand.com/product787/30-Scenery-Netting-FR.aspx? cid=158&idx=6 300&tid=1&info=Netting Kate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:56 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood?
Her necklace looks like some that modern gang members wear. I gues that's ancient bling. I wonder what the S stands for. It's also on there belt.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:55:24 +0200> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood?> > I have today made a mock up of the head dress from 1600 and i found pictures > wich i was allowed to use from an effigy figure at the Ribe Cathedral in > Denmark. This is the type of head dress wich was found in a grave recently!> I suppose the round shape you can see under the head dress must be a hair > pad or something?> Here you can see the pictures:> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/br.htm> > Bjarne > > > ___> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood?
Sorry, the second S is on her large necklace like a baron would wear or an official ensignia. Are there many portraits where the person wears 2 necklaces? I thought they wore a necklace and the belt-like part (I can't think of what it's called right now. I'm tired and it's late) This is the first time I've seem the images that was referred to. Do you think that the transparent aprons were like the little caps/head coverings that certain religions wear today? The ladies still wear the transparent caps/bonnets (not sure what religion that is really). Their material seems very stiff too. In the paintings, the aprons seem to buckle when they kneel. The angle seems unnatural and angular as it should curve under their knees.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:16:53 -0400> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance coif or hood?> > > Her necklace looks like some that modern gang members wear. I gues that's ancient bling. I wonder what the S stands for. It's also on there belt.Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine>___> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
