Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction?
It looks like iridescent chenille yarn to me. Such an effect would seem to be a logical outgrowth of the fringe mania earlier in the century. But it's early in the morning and I'm bleary-eyed, so I wouldn't go by me! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner gypsy scholar and amateur costumer On Nov 17, 2008, at 8:49 PM, Cynthia Virtue wrote: Hi Folks, Friends and I recently watched the 1935 Midsummer Night's Dream, and have been puzzling over the construction of Titania's costume. Does anyone have ideas? Photos: http://bp1.blogger.com/_zyFOBNA4Tys/RpF329zH5rI/ARg/ hbYpRYFNvdo/s1600-h/Anita+Louise+Fair+Titania.jpg http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/ shakespeareCISOPTR=65CISOBOX=1REC=1 The shiny drape-y parts seem too light to be bugle beads strung to hang down and drape, yet not light enough to be cellophane strips. I've been wondering if they might be strips of cut metal foil, like my parents' old real-metal Christmas Tree icicles: heavy, shiny, soft. Google searches have not turned up any details, alas. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Such virtue hath my pen -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 I knew this wasn't _my_ pen! --Cynthia Virtue ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles
Jordana, Is your friend interested in the Rifle Brigade uniform as worn by Sharpe himself, or in men's costumes of the Napoleonic Wars period in general? (To the person who suggested Zulu - that battle took place in 1879, so it's actually around 70 years later than the Peninsular War in which most of the Sharpe books and films are set!) Kate Bunting Librarian 17th century reenactor. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction?
Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: It looks like iridescent chenille yarn to me. Such an effect would seem to be a logical outgrowth of the fringe mania earlier in the century. But it's early in the morning and I'm bleary-eyed, so I wouldn't go by me! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner Yeah, it does look like that in the stills, but it behaves rather oddly when in motion. Found one clip online which shows the costume just a bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGYghQtsumoNR=1 At 1:57, she comes from the left sadly, that's only about 1 second of movement. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Such virtue hath my pen -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 I knew this wasn't _my_ pen! --Cynthia Virtue ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles
Yes, the stuff that Sharpe himself wore. I think this might have to doo with her taste in actors myself, but I don't think I can argue about that particular actor :) . On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Kate Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Jordana, Is your friend interested in the Rifle Brigade uniform as worn by Sharpe himself, or in men's costumes of the Napoleonic Wars period in general? (To the person who suggested Zulu - that battle took place in 1879, so it's actually around 70 years later than the Peninsular War in which most of the Sharpe books and films are set!) Kate Bunting Librarian 17th century reenactor. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles
At 16:47 18/11/2008, you wrote: Yes, the stuff that Sharpe himself wore. I think this might have to doo with her taste in actors myself, but I don't think I can argue about that particular actor :) . I suggest you try here. http://www.napoleonicassociation.org/home/ Members have been involved as extras in filming the series, and the research you need may be here too - I don't have time to check myself. Suzi On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Kate Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Jordana, Is your friend interested in the Rifle Brigade uniform as worn by Sharpe himself, or in men's costumes of the Napoleonic Wars period in general? (To the person who suggested Zulu - that battle took place in 1879, so it's actually around 70 years later than the Peninsular War in which most of the Sharpe books and films are set!) Kate Bunting Librarian 17th century reenactor. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles
Thanks, that is very cool. On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 16:47 18/11/2008, you wrote: Yes, the stuff that Sharpe himself wore. I think this might have to doo with her taste in actors myself, but I don't think I can argue about that particular actor :) . I suggest you try here. http://www.napoleonicassociation.org/home/ Members have been involved as extras in filming the series, and the research you need may be here too - I don't have time to check myself. Suzi On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Kate Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jordana, Is your friend interested in the Rifle Brigade uniform as worn by Sharpe himself, or in men's costumes of the Napoleonic Wars period in general? (To the person who suggested Zulu - that battle took place in 1879, so it's actually around 70 years later than the Peninsular War in which most of the Sharpe books and films are set!) Kate Bunting Librarian 17th century reenactor. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction?
http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi4100325401 Try this clip for a bit more of the costume in motion Anne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction?
It looks like rayon or silk chainette fringe with possibly metalic thread interwoven. Or just rayon. http://www.alibaba.com/buyofferdetail/100733037/Chainette_Fringe_By_The_Spoo l.html http://tinyurl.com/6rm8vd -Original Message- Yeah, it does look like that in the stills, but it behaves rather oddly when in motion. Found one clip online which shows the costume just a bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGYghQtsumoNR=1 At 1:57, she comes from the left sadly, that's only about 1 second of movement. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction?
At 19:19 18/11/2008, you wrote: It looks like rayon or silk chainette fringe with possibly metalic thread interwoven. Or just rayon. http://www.alibaba.com/buyofferdetail/100733037/Chainette_Fringe_By_The_Spoo l.html http://tinyurl.com/6rm8vd -Original Message- Yeah, it does look like that in the stills, but it behaves rather oddly when in motion. Found one clip online which shows the costume just a bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGYghQtsumoNR=1 At 1:57, she comes from the left sadly, that's only about 1 second of movement. I'm probably way off, but it looks like strips of cellophane to me - easy to cut fringe on the edges of a sheet of it, cut a hole it the top and wear it like a poncho - she's not still so it doesn't matter about accuracy of cutting. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction?
Suzi Clarke wrote: I'm probably way off, but it looks like strips of cellophane to me - easy to cut fringe on the edges of a sheet of it, cut a hole it the top and wear it like a poncho - she's not still so it doesn't matter about accuracy of cutting. It does look like it, to be sure. But it swings like something heavy, which is the puzzle. Chainette with metal in it might do, but would it be shiny enough? I don't think so. Mind you, this is curiosity; I'm not planning on recreating the costume. I was hoping the thing would have been in some exhibition somewhere, but if it ever was, no one has webbed it! cv ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] jazz color
I'm currently reading a book which refers to jazz color. Can anyone clue me in? Thanks, Patty ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction?
Here are women fancy dancers from a 2008 powwow. Most of the shawls are fringed with rayon chainette. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yeHdETgsT0 a closer look (2007) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX7TVN0ch4Efeature=related Rayon was called faux silk and was around in the 1930s. -Original Message- At 19:19 18/11/2008, you wrote: It looks like rayon or silk chainette fringe with possibly metalic thread interwoven. Or just rayon. http://www.alibaba.com/buyofferdetail/100733037/Chainette_Fringe_By_The_Spo o l.html http://tinyurl.com/6rm8vd -Original Message- Found one clip online which shows the costume just a bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGYghQtsumoNR=1 At 1:57, she comes from the left sadly, that's only about 1 second of movement. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color
Patty, I haven't heard of a specific color called jazz before but in New Orleans the Mardi Gras color are used with the jazz funerals. The Mardi Gras colors are gold (or bright yellow), purple and green. These colors are used frequently with Dixieland or New Orleans style jazz music. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 10 websites for fashion, costume, and textile history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color
Thanks for your response, Penny. The book sounded pretty specific for jazz being a color, as in 'a jazz colored dress.' I couldn't imagine what that would be. Patty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color Patty, I haven't heard of a specific color called jazz before but in New Orleans the Mardi Gras color are used with the jazz funerals. The Mardi Gras colors are gold (or bright yellow), purple and green. These colors are used frequently with Dixieland or New Orleans style jazz music. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 10 websites for fashion, costume, and textile history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color
On Nov 18, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Rickard, Patty wrote: Thanks for your response, Penny. The book sounded pretty specific for jazz being a color, as in 'a jazz colored dress.' I couldn't imagine what that would be. Patty Let us know what book it's from. That may provide a more solid lead. andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color
Hi Andy, It's just a mystery: Queen of the Flowers : a Phryne Fisher mystery by Kerry Greenwood. Most of the 1920s background seems fairly accurate, as far as I can tell. Patty From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew T Trembley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:47 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color On Nov 18, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Rickard, Patty wrote: Thanks for your response, Penny. The book sounded pretty specific for jazz being a color, as in 'a jazz colored dress.' I couldn't imagine what that would be. Patty Let us know what book it's from. That may provide a more solid lead. andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color
I am sure have heard of certain colours used in clothing such as zoot suits referred to in this way -- I cannot recall where/when -- colours such as yellow, green and others not usually associated with menswear of the early 20th century. You could always hunt and email the author and ask. As a side note, the Phryne Fisher Fan Club here in Melbourne used to take tea at the Windsor Hotel as described in the books. I wonder if they are still around, -C. It's just a mystery: Queen of the Flowers : a Phryne Fisher mystery by Kerry Greenwood. Most of the 1920s background seems fairly accurate, as far as I Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jazz Color This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles
(To the person who suggested Zulu - that battle took place in 1879, so it's actually around 70 years later than the Peninsular War in Hmm, yes, but uniforms of the 1700-1800s did not move much, only some of the structuring changed. In fact British Admiralty uniforms of the 1930s would not have seemed too far out of place in the Regency period, -C. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles
Thank you for that link! Not my period of interest, but it looks like fun. :-) And on a totally different subject: How was Florence? I've been anxiously awaiting reports from the Janet Arnold conference Suzanne From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: November 18, 2008 10:56:41 AM CST To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles I suggest you try here. http://www.napoleonicassociation.org/home/ Members have been involved as extras in filming the series, and the research you need may be here too - I don't have time to check myself. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction?
In a message dated 11/18/2008 2:44:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chainette with metal in it might do, but would it be shiny enough? I don't think so. It could be silk floss. That would be very shiny if the right color and lit the right way and we are in the studio where all aspects are controlled. I'd be willing to go with a shiny silk floss with some kind of small beading for the weight. It's got some weight as you say, but not enough to be solid beading. **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0001) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sharpe's Rifles
On 19 Nov 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (To the person who suggested Zulu - that battle took place in 1879, so it's actually around 70 years later than the Peninsular War in Hmm, yes, but uniforms of the 1700-1800s did not move much, only some of the structuring changed. In fact British Admiralty uniforms of the 1930s would not have seemed too far out of place in the Regency period, Well, in the same way a Model-T Ford and a Delorean are both clearly cars and not trucks or busses... Uniforms of, say 1770 and 1810 looked very different. True, after the Napoleonic Wars, the victorious British kept their army looking much like that of Waterloo until Wellington died and the Crimean War forced a lot of changes, but even then the silouette changed in line with civilian fashions. -- Chris Bertani www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction?
Looks like long Rayon fringe. --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Cynthia Virtue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Cynthia Virtue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 5:49 PM Hi Folks, Friends and I recently watched the 1935 Midsummer Night's Dream, and have been puzzling over the construction of Titania's costume. Does anyone have ideas? Photos: http://bp1.blogger.com/_zyFOBNA4Tys/RpF329zH5rI/ARg/hbYpRYFNvdo/s1600-h/Anita+Louise+Fair+Titania.jpg http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/shakespeareCISOPTR=65CISOBOX=1REC=1 The shiny drape-y parts seem too light to be bugle beads strung to hang down and drape, yet not light enough to be cellophane strips. I've been wondering if they might be strips of cut metal foil, like my parents' old real-metal Christmas Tree icicles: heavy, shiny, soft. Google searches have not turned up any details, alas. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Such virtue hath my pen -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 I knew this wasn't _my_ pen! --Cynthia Virtue ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
