Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND
WOW what a family! Do you think they are all the main couple's kids or some of the married children's kids included. I don't know anything about this portrait. I count 20 kids but not sure. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:08:07 -0500 > From: hope.greenb...@uvm.edu > To: h-cost...@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND > > After Holbein - I'll say - way after! Holbein died in what, 1543, which > would be just a few months after Mary Queen of Scots was born. Mary 1 of > England died in 1558. If those sleeves happened before the 1560s I'd be > mightily surprised. The nearest I can find on a quick look is > ZEEUW, Cornelis de "Portrait of the De Mucheron Family"1563 > http://www.wga.hu/art/z/zeeuw/p_family.jpg > > It's a wonder how these things get propagated, though. Here's an article > from about.com that uses the image, which it got from clipart.com that > has the same (must be erroneous) attribution. > http://womenshistory.about.com/od/medbritishqueens/tp/medieval_british_queens.01.htm > http://www.clipart.com/en/close-up?o=5272687&memlevel=A&a=a&q=mary%20i&k_mode=all&s=1&e=15&show=&c=&cid=&findincat=&g=&cc=&page=&k_exc=&pubid= > > - Hope > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND
After Holbein - I'll say - way after! Holbein died in what, 1543, which would be just a few months after Mary Queen of Scots was born. Mary 1 of England died in 1558. If those sleeves happened before the 1560s I'd be mightily surprised. The nearest I can find on a quick look is ZEEUW, Cornelis de "Portrait of the De Mucheron Family"1563 http://www.wga.hu/art/z/zeeuw/p_family.jpg It's a wonder how these things get propagated, though. Here's an article from about.com that uses the image, which it got from clipart.com that has the same (must be erroneous) attribution. http://womenshistory.about.com/od/medbritishqueens/tp/medieval_british_queens.01.htm http://www.clipart.com/en/close-up?o=5272687&memlevel=A&a=a&q=mary%20i&k_mode=all&s=1&e=15&show=&c=&cid=&findincat=&g=&cc=&page=&k_exc=&pubid= - Hope ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND
Chimene & Gerek, My thanks to you both for finding the elusive painting. At least now I can make sleeves like that, and have a good model to work from. But I still say this is not a Holbein, tho if it is "after Holbein", then it may have been done by a student of Holbein's. I am beginning to think this may be a French woman or Mary QoS, but not Queen Mary I of England. Too many images of her, as Princess and as Queen wearing the Henrician styles. The face isn't even the same. http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1540/PrncMary.html http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1550/QueenMaryTudorMor1554.html Kimiko --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Patricia Dunham wrote: > his cheating cribbage program (!), and found the original > Mary I painting. > > http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheHouseOfTudor > found it > http://womenshistory.about.com/od/tudor/a/tudor_women_4.htm > The caption there says "after Holbein"! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Impressions 411 "Lucy"
Sorry I can't help you with this one. I'm not of the appropriate age for this teen style, and my experience with Period Impressions patterns hasn't been good when comparing to original garments. Hope you can find someone who can give you more detailed feedback. LuAnn > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:40:20 +1100 > From: aylwe...@gmail.com > To: h-cost...@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Period Impressions 411 "Lucy" > > Has anyone here made this dress?I am looking for finished examples, > and it is NOT reviewed at > http://www.gbacg.org/great-pattern-review/period-impressions.html > Any comments to share before I cut the fabric? > Bye for now, > > Aylwen Gardiner-Garden > > Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy > music ~ dancing ~ sewing ~ patterns ~ books > 1480s - 1890s : Renaissance to Victorian > http://www.earthlydelights.com.au > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Period Impressions 411 "Lucy"
Has anyone here made this dress?I am looking for finished examples, and it is NOT reviewed at http://www.gbacg.org/great-pattern-review/period-impressions.html Any comments to share before I cut the fabric? Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy music ~ dancing ~ sewing ~ patterns ~ books 1480s - 1890s : Renaissance to Victorian http://www.earthlydelights.com.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Trouser Zippers
In a message dated 3/4/2009 12:34:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kba...@cableone.net writes: I think you could go either way. Zippers were just coming into common use in the 1930's, but men's formal wear was more conservative. So, the more formal the suit, the less likely it was to have a zipper. *** Yes you find button flies in goodor even moderately finesuits up until the 1950s. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats
I looked at the picture for a while. Are these hanging from the sleeve like a thick fringe or sewn to some type of fabric and that hangs from the lower edge? I think that if it's just hanging there it might turn all which-a-way and not look right. I'm interested in how this is done. I know the site tells how to cut the effect but not how to attach it. I'm working on a corset/body now that my Iron Hand smock is done. I washed it, neatly pressed it and it sits waiting for the other pieces to get done. Then I'm dressing up and having my portrait taken so I can paint a massive picture of myself and my daughter in our garb...and then I'll make up some story of that being my ancestors way back in Scotland under the Clan Buchanan (McCammon sept) I may even weave triangle shawls os the tartan pattern the whole thing! Won't we be a site at the next Ren Faire Which I think will be the one outside of Dallas... REAL SOON... waiting on my tax refund to have money to go. I'm also posting a picture of my new grandson from my visit this weekend. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine > From: wickedf...@msn.com > To: h-cost...@indra.com > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:11:41 -0700 > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats > > > This is cool - another alternative to Hunnisett's method. > > > From: zearti...@hotmail.com > > To: h-cost...@indra.com > > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:29:39 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats > > > > > > Didn't know what "dagging" was so I looked it up. Found lots about the > > painting but only this one on the technique: > > http://jauncourt.i8.com/dagges/index.htm > > > > Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Trouser Zippers
Both buttons and zippers were in use by this time. Buttons require a little more plackett work but always sit better. If you are after a more formal or up-market look, I'd suggest buttons. As a side thought, with zippers relatively new to the scene then, I wonder how fancy they might have been seen as or how much of a gimmick, -C. > would have had a buttoned fly or already zippers in 1933. Any ideas? This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats
This is cool - another alternative to Hunnisett's method. > From: zearti...@hotmail.com > To: h-cost...@indra.com > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:29:39 -0500 > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats > > > Didn't know what "dagging" was so I looked it up. Found lots about the > painting but only this one on the technique: > http://jauncourt.i8.com/dagges/index.htm > > Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats
Didn't know what "dagging" was so I looked it up. Found lots about the painting but only this one on the technique: http://jauncourt.i8.com/dagges/index.htm Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:39:17 -0800 > From: cinbar...@gmail.com > To: h-cost...@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats > > I think I'd dig out some scrap wool and make a few samples. That's a > lot of wool to cut up badly & ruin. Do early samples on maybe a 12x12 > piece & work out the scale. Make your final samples big so you can get > an idea not just of scale & density of cuts, but of the droop, > ravelling, directionality of the resulting mass. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > cinbar...@gmail.com > > >I have posted pictures and a journal entry here: > http://wickedfrau.livejournal.com/1966.html > http://pics.livejournal.com/wickedfrau/pic/3fze/g8 (Picture is here) > > >I am wondering how big those dags and pleats areHunnisett thinks they > are only 2" square. > > >What do you think? > > Sg > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Continuous knotting a necklace
> I"m planning a necklace, as an accessory to a 15th c Italian gown, and > would like to know if, and how, to make one that is a continuous strand. > The clerk at the bead shop didnt know how. All she wanted to do was sell > me inappropriate findings. I'm sure there's a way, I just dont know what > to call it so I can search online. > --cin I think I know what you mean, a continuous loop with no clasp. Hopefully you got good bead-stringing cord. Much of it is synthetic, but most bead shops carry the silk cord. These days, a dab of glue is your best friend and essential with the synthetics. There's a type of superglue they have at the stores. When you string, leave some cord at the end. I would make a slip knot. Are you knotting between the beads or not? I don't know what is appropriate for your era. When you get to the end, thread through about 5 beads in both directions. So you have the "old" end of the cord going through clockwise and the "new" end of the cord going through counterclockwise. If you're knotting, knot these last five beads with the tail ends of the cords. If you are not knotting, you will end up with two knots, about 5 beads apart. If you're not knotting and using different types of beads, you may be able to hide the knots inside a bead that has a larger hole. Put a tiny dab of glue on your end knots. I think it's sturdier to have the double thread under a few beads, rather than just tying one knot. I hope that's clear! -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Continuous knotting a necklace
Cin wrote: I"m planning a necklace, as an accessory to a 15th c Italian gown, and would like to know if, and how, to make one that is a continuous strand. The clerk at the bead shop didnt know how. All she wanted to do was sell me inappropriate findings. I'm sure there's a way, I just dont know what to call it so I can search online. There's a nice trick you can do when you string the old-fashioned way on a double strand. It places the two knots in different spots: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9555/loop.htm And here if you intend to knot between each bead: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9555/knottedloop.htm This is the main page: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9555/beading.htm You may need to read some of the other pages to understand things like the leader thread method of stringing and the knotting and finishing techniques, but it's worth it. This guy taught me things I didn't already know. These are old, traditional techniques, but in all my years of beading, I am the only person I've known who strings and knots like this. Everyone else I've met on the circuit uses crimps and other "inappropriate findings." One thing I do differently from this fellow is to not trim my knots close; after glueing the knot, I use the leader thread to pull the excess ends through several beads, the ends going in opposite directions, and trim off the rest where it emerges. So there's a few beads on each side of the knot where there's three strands inside the beads rather than two. If you're doing continuous stringing, you will need to separate your knots by several beads in order to do this, so the end bits from the two knots don't overlap in the middle. (All this will make sense after you're used to the technique.) --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Continuous knotting a necklace
Thanks ladies! (Becky, Sharon, CV) I've already pearl knotted in silk. The knots & glue idea will probably suit. I think I can hide that bit inside a filigree bead. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com My mom uses plastic wrapped wire, and fastens the ends with a tiny (less than 1/8" sq.) crimp. Look at my pearls next time you see me. Sharon ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Arnolfi dags and pleats
I think I'd dig out some scrap wool and make a few samples. That's a lot of wool to cut up badly & ruin. Do early samples on maybe a 12x12 piece & work out the scale. Make your final samples big so you can get an idea not just of scale & density of cuts, but of the droop, ravelling, directionality of the resulting mass. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com >I have posted pictures and a journal entry here: http://wickedfrau.livejournal.com/1966.html http://pics.livejournal.com/wickedfrau/pic/3fze/g8 (Picture is here) >I am wondering how big those dags and pleats areHunnisett thinks they are only 2" square. >What do you think? Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Trouser Zippers
Hanna-- I think you could go either way. Zippers were just coming into common use in the 1930's, but men's formal wear was more conservative. So, the more formal the suit, the less likely it was to have a zipper. Kim -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Hanna Zickermann Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:49 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Trouser Zippers Hello, I´ll be making a man´s outfit - a chalk-striped three piece suit, and I am wondering if the pants would have had a buttoned fly or already zippers in 1933. Any ideas? Thank you, Hanna ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND
I like the Marquite one. Anyone have any idea how that partlet was "textured" or manipulated to look like that? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine > From: e...@huskers.unl.edu > To: h-cost...@indra.com > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:01:53 + > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND > > It isn't really more on the Mary I painting, but this miniature of Catherine > de Medici has the same odd ermine piping, and prominant eyes. > http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Miniature-of-Catherine-De-Medici-Posters_i1586548_.htm > I wonder if they know that Margurite of Valois further down the page is > upside down? > > From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of > Patricia Dunham [chim...@ravensgard.org] > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:38 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND > > My dear husband is loopy tonight, too much work out in the cold > today. So he was noodling around on-line, bored with his cheating > cribbage program (!), and found the original Mary I painting. > > http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheHouseOfTudor > > still looking for an attribution. (for hours and hours and hours! no luck!!) > > ah, the wonder-boy does it again! I had cleaned away all the links > to the engraving that started this, but he has found it > http://womenshistory.about.com/od/tudor/a/tudor_women_4.htm The > caption there says "after Holbein"! > > Comparing the two, we find it very interesting how much older the > monochrome looks (the person in the monochrome, I mean), vs. the > child in color! The white furring in the color image looks much more > reasonable, too. > > enjoy! > Chimene & Gerek > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Continuous knotting a necklace
When I make a continious string necklace, I make sure to add knots ever so often so if it breaks, it all doesn't hit the floor. I also use strong fishing line or fine metal wire when I can...both. Heavy beads definitely use several strands of the strongest fishing line I can find. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine > From: sha...@collierfam.com > To: h-cost...@indra.com > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:06:55 -0800 > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Continuous knotting a necklace > > My mom uses plastic wrapped wire, and fastens the ends with a tiny (less > than 1/8" sq.)crimp. Look at my pearls next time you see me. > Sharon > > -Original Message- > From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Cin > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:36 AM > To: h-cost > Subject: [h-cost] Continuous knotting a necklace > > I"m planning a necklace, as an accessory to a 15th c Italian gown, and would > like to know if, and how, to make one that is a continuous strand. The > clerk at the bead shop didnt know how. All she wanted to do was sell me > inappropriate findings. I'm sure there's a way, I just dont know what to > call it so I can search online. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > cinbar...@gmail.com > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Continuous knotting a necklace
My mom uses plastic wrapped wire, and fastens the ends with a tiny (less than 1/8" sq.)crimp. Look at my pearls next time you see me. Sharon -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:36 AM To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] Continuous knotting a necklace I"m planning a necklace, as an accessory to a 15th c Italian gown, and would like to know if, and how, to make one that is a continuous strand. The clerk at the bead shop didnt know how. All she wanted to do was sell me inappropriate findings. I'm sure there's a way, I just dont know what to call it so I can search online. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need input on pleat size WAS: Need help with wool
I'd say make a mock up in both sizes and use the size that looks best. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:22 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com; therenaissancetai...@yahoogroups.com; germanrencost...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [h-cost] Need input on pleat size WAS: Need help with wool I have posted pictures and a journal entry here: http://wickedfrau.livejournal.com/1966.html http://pics.livejournal.com/wickedfrau/pic/3fze/g8 (Picture is here) I am wondering how big those dags and pleats areHunnisett thinks they are only 2" square. What do you think? Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Continuous knotting a necklace
When I've done them, I've just made a square knot, as tight and small as possible, and sometimes another square knot half (so it complements the half of the previous one) on top of that. A bit of glue on top of that, if you have the right sort might be a good choice as well. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent "Such virtue hath my pen" -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 "I knew this wasn't _my_ pen!" --Cynthia Virtue ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Continuous knotting a necklace
I"m planning a necklace, as an accessory to a 15th c Italian gown, and would like to know if, and how, to make one that is a continuous strand. The clerk at the bead shop didnt know how. All she wanted to do was sell me inappropriate findings. I'm sure there's a way, I just dont know what to call it so I can search online. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Need input on pleat size WAS: Need help with wool
I have posted pictures and a journal entry here: http://wickedfrau.livejournal.com/1966.html http://pics.livejournal.com/wickedfrau/pic/3fze/g8 (Picture is here) I am wondering how big those dags and pleats areHunnisett thinks they are only 2" square. What do you think? Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Trouser Zippers
Hello, I´ll be making a man´s outfit - a chalk-striped three piece suit, and I am wondering if the pants would have had a buttoned fly or already zippers in 1933. Any ideas? Thank you, Hanna ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND
It isn't really more on the Mary I painting, but this miniature of Catherine de Medici has the same odd ermine piping, and prominant eyes. http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Miniature-of-Catherine-De-Medici-Posters_i1586548_.htm I wonder if they know that Margurite of Valois further down the page is upside down? From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Dunham [chim...@ravensgard.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:38 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND My dear husband is loopy tonight, too much work out in the cold today. So he was noodling around on-line, bored with his cheating cribbage program (!), and found the original Mary I painting. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheHouseOfTudor still looking for an attribution. (for hours and hours and hours! no luck!!) ah, the wonder-boy does it again! I had cleaned away all the links to the engraving that started this, but he has found it http://womenshistory.about.com/od/tudor/a/tudor_women_4.htm The caption there says "after Holbein"! Comparing the two, we find it very interesting how much older the monochrome looks (the person in the monochrome, I mean), vs. the child in color! The white furring in the color image looks much more reasonable, too. enjoy! Chimene & Gerek ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress
Eureka! or rather, while putting the bodice together, I found a quote that might be why i had decided to line the skirt with wool as well as the bodice, beyond the whole making it reversible. though since this time I am Drea's directions unlike before when I made my own sewing directions (so i could sandwich the skirt between the bodice layers instead of making both seperate, and tehn attaching the two together) i actually was able to find this quote. here is the quote from Drea's web page "The skirts in 16th century genre paintings were lined-all those where the lining could be seen, that is. The lining was often a contrasting fabric, and was very likely wool rather than linen. " found on http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/makeflem.html I am sorry if i am slavishly quoting her, but i would really rather not do the original research myself, if i don't have to. I am just too lazy i think. On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Thanks for the explanation! I'm curious now too, were you only going to line > the bodice, or the whole skirt as well? I just imagine that lining the skirt > with wool would be incredibly heavy, no matter how light the wool is to > start with. > > > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire > * > > >> -Original Message- >> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com >> [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of J A Urbik >> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:42 AM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress >> >> I chose to line with wool for two reasons. >> >> reason 1) Drea sais that the shrinerose gown was lined with wool, so i >> figured i'd go with that. "This gown bodice will have three pieces: >> one back, and two front pieces. Lining is optional. The >> shinrone gown was partially lined with wool; it is a rather >> complex lining process, involving extending the bodice >> pattern down and folding the excess fabric up on the inside. >> I tried it, and it made quite a respectable gown bodice. " >> >> reason 2) it is fairly easy to make the gowns reversable, so >> I do so, and I figured that if I wanted wool on the outside, >> and i wanted it reversable, I needed wool on both sides. >> >> reasson 3) not a big deal, but if one wants wool, one of the >> reasons that one wants wool is that it hanges diffrently then >> linen, and so lining with linen would change the hang? this >> one i am not too sure of cause i have not done much with wool >> in the past. >> >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Rebecca Schmitt >> wrote: >> > I'm curious why you decided to line with wool as well as >> use wool for >> > the top fabric? Most of the extant garments I can think of (and, >> > admittedly, my memory on this is not spectacular!) are >> lined with linen. >> > >> > I made an overgown of this sort a few years back, with the >> outside a >> > mid-to-lightweight wool and the lining linen; I'm pretty sure I did >> > not use an interlining of any sort. I it cut away in the >> front quite a >> > bit, so it really doesn't come together much past the >> shoulder straps. >> > It's very comfy, although it does wrinkle some. That doesn't really >> > bother me much - the ease of movement as I chase my >> 3-year-old is much more important! >> > >> > >> > Rebecca Schmitt >> > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire >> > * >> > >> > >> > >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com >> >> [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of J A Urbik >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:40 AM >> >> To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> Subject: [h-cost] Flemish Dress >> >> >> >> Hi all, am making this year's edition of the whole flemish dress, >> >> this time I am making a Gored Kirtle >> >> (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/kirtlepat/gored.html) and an >> >> overdress >> >> (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/makeflem.html#gown). >> >> In the past I had made both under and overdress out of linen, >> >> because I was mostly doing summer events. >> >> >> >> However, this time I am going to make the overdress out of >> wool, with >> >> wool as the lining. Both are fairly light weight, and we will see >> >> about how hot it is (i actually think it should be book, >> at least for >> >> non-extremely hot days, and for the really hot days, a couple of >> >> pieces of ice down the bodice should do wonders). >> >> >> >> What I would like advise about would be should I put an addition >> >> layer of sturdy linen or something as an underlining on >> the bodice, >> >> or will the just the wool be ok? >> >> >> >> I know I will need a strip of something sturdy down the >> front edges, >> >> from previous experience with the style, but I have not worked too >> >> much in wool, so i don't know how it will go. >> >> >> >> The gored kirtle that the overdress will go on top
Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress
Eureka! or rather, while putting the bodice together, I found a quote that might be why i had decided to line the skirt with wool as well as the bodice, beyond the whole making it reversible. though since this time I am Drea's directions unlike before when I made my own sewing directions (so i could sandwich the skirt between the bodice layers instead of making both seperate, and tehn attaching the two together) i actually was able to find this quote. here is the quote from Drea's web page "The skirts in 16th century genre paintings were lined-all those where the lining could be seen, that is. The lining was often a contrasting fabric, and was very likely wool rather than linen. " found on http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/makeflem.html I am sorry if i am slavishly quoting her, but i would really rather not do the original research myself, if i don't have to. I am just too lazy i think. On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Thanks for the explanation! I'm curious now too, were you only going to line > the bodice, or the whole skirt as well? I just imagine that lining the skirt > with wool would be incredibly heavy, no matter how light the wool is to > start with. > > > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire > * > > >> -Original Message- >> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com >> [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of J A Urbik >> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:42 AM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress >> >> I chose to line with wool for two reasons. >> >> reason 1) Drea sais that the shrinerose gown was lined with wool, so i >> figured i'd go with that. "This gown bodice will have three pieces: >> one back, and two front pieces. Lining is optional. The >> shinrone gown was partially lined with wool; it is a rather >> complex lining process, involving extending the bodice >> pattern down and folding the excess fabric up on the inside. >> I tried it, and it made quite a respectable gown bodice. " >> >> reason 2) it is fairly easy to make the gowns reversable, so >> I do so, and I figured that if I wanted wool on the outside, >> and i wanted it reversable, I needed wool on both sides. >> >> reasson 3) not a big deal, but if one wants wool, one of the >> reasons that one wants wool is that it hanges diffrently then >> linen, and so lining with linen would change the hang? this >> one i am not too sure of cause i have not done much with wool >> in the past. >> >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Rebecca Schmitt >> wrote: >> > I'm curious why you decided to line with wool as well as >> use wool for >> > the top fabric? Most of the extant garments I can think of (and, >> > admittedly, my memory on this is not spectacular!) are >> lined with linen. >> > >> > I made an overgown of this sort a few years back, with the >> outside a >> > mid-to-lightweight wool and the lining linen; I'm pretty sure I did >> > not use an interlining of any sort. I it cut away in the >> front quite a >> > bit, so it really doesn't come together much past the >> shoulder straps. >> > It's very comfy, although it does wrinkle some. That doesn't really >> > bother me much - the ease of movement as I chase my >> 3-year-old is much more important! >> > >> > >> > Rebecca Schmitt >> > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire >> > * >> > >> > >> > >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com >> >> [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of J A Urbik >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:40 AM >> >> To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> Subject: [h-cost] Flemish Dress >> >> >> >> Hi all, am making this year's edition of the whole flemish dress, >> >> this time I am making a Gored Kirtle >> >> (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/kirtlepat/gored.html) and an >> >> overdress >> >> (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/makeflem.html#gown). >> >> In the past I had made both under and overdress out of linen, >> >> because I was mostly doing summer events. >> >> >> >> However, this time I am going to make the overdress out of >> wool, with >> >> wool as the lining. Both are fairly light weight, and we will see >> >> about how hot it is (i actually think it should be book, >> at least for >> >> non-extremely hot days, and for the really hot days, a couple of >> >> pieces of ice down the bodice should do wonders). >> >> >> >> What I would like advise about would be should I put an addition >> >> layer of sturdy linen or something as an underlining on >> the bodice, >> >> or will the just the wool be ok? >> >> >> >> I know I will need a strip of something sturdy down the >> front edges, >> >> from previous experience with the style, but I have not worked too >> >> much in wool, so i don't know how it will go. >> >> >> >> The gored kirtle that the overdress will go on top
Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress
I assumed wool, but i had not thought about the weight. I doing the outside in a pastelish blue/green, and the inside in red. but I have some red linen that would work as well, if I am not planning on having the dress be reversible. i will have to see. That is exactly why i posted my question in the first place, i know you all would bring up something that i had not thought about. On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Thanks for the explanation! I'm curious now too, were you only going to line > the bodice, or the whole skirt as well? I just imagine that lining the skirt > with wool would be incredibly heavy, no matter how light the wool is to > start with. > > > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire > * > > >> -Original Message- >> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com >> [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of J A Urbik >> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:42 AM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress >> >> I chose to line with wool for two reasons. >> >> reason 1) Drea sais that the shrinerose gown was lined with wool, so i >> figured i'd go with that. "This gown bodice will have three pieces: >> one back, and two front pieces. Lining is optional. The >> shinrone gown was partially lined with wool; it is a rather >> complex lining process, involving extending the bodice >> pattern down and folding the excess fabric up on the inside. >> I tried it, and it made quite a respectable gown bodice. " >> >> reason 2) it is fairly easy to make the gowns reversable, so >> I do so, and I figured that if I wanted wool on the outside, >> and i wanted it reversable, I needed wool on both sides. >> >> reasson 3) not a big deal, but if one wants wool, one of the >> reasons that one wants wool is that it hanges diffrently then >> linen, and so lining with linen would change the hang? this >> one i am not too sure of cause i have not done much with wool >> in the past. >> >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Rebecca Schmitt >> wrote: >> > I'm curious why you decided to line with wool as well as >> use wool for >> > the top fabric? Most of the extant garments I can think of (and, >> > admittedly, my memory on this is not spectacular!) are >> lined with linen. >> > >> > I made an overgown of this sort a few years back, with the >> outside a >> > mid-to-lightweight wool and the lining linen; I'm pretty sure I did >> > not use an interlining of any sort. I it cut away in the >> front quite a >> > bit, so it really doesn't come together much past the >> shoulder straps. >> > It's very comfy, although it does wrinkle some. That doesn't really >> > bother me much - the ease of movement as I chase my >> 3-year-old is much more important! >> > >> > >> > Rebecca Schmitt >> > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire >> > * >> > >> > >> > >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com >> >> [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of J A Urbik >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:40 AM >> >> To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> Subject: [h-cost] Flemish Dress >> >> >> >> Hi all, am making this year's edition of the whole flemish dress, >> >> this time I am making a Gored Kirtle >> >> (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/kirtlepat/gored.html) and an >> >> overdress >> >> (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/makeflem.html#gown). >> >> In the past I had made both under and overdress out of linen, >> >> because I was mostly doing summer events. >> >> >> >> However, this time I am going to make the overdress out of >> wool, with >> >> wool as the lining. Both are fairly light weight, and we will see >> >> about how hot it is (i actually think it should be book, >> at least for >> >> non-extremely hot days, and for the really hot days, a couple of >> >> pieces of ice down the bodice should do wonders). >> >> >> >> What I would like advise about would be should I put an addition >> >> layer of sturdy linen or something as an underlining on >> the bodice, >> >> or will the just the wool be ok? >> >> >> >> I know I will need a strip of something sturdy down the >> front edges, >> >> from previous experience with the style, but I have not worked too >> >> much in wool, so i don't know how it will go. >> >> >> >> The gored kirtle that the overdress will go on top of is >> a fashion >> >> fabric and a lining, both of sturdy linen, but not heavyweight. I >> >> wear size 16/18 and am about a B cup (about >> >> 5'4 and 180 pounds) if that influances your advise. >> Thanks for all >> >> help. >> >> >> >> >> >> jordana >> >> ___ >> >> h-costume mailing list >> >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > h-costume mailing list >> > h-
Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND
I'm still thinking that this portrait is (at best) a portrait of Mary of Scotland which has been confused with Mary Tudor. The style of everything about it is terribly French and at least a decade after Mary Tudor died. Since Mary Tudor married the King of Spain, she wasn't terribly popular in France and she had her portrait painted by only a couple of artists in her relatively brief reign and they were not French. Karen Seamstrix -- Patricia Dunham wrote: My dear husband is loopy tonight, too much work out in the cold today. So he was noodling around on-line, bored with his cheating cribbage program (!), and found the original Mary I painting. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheHouseOfTudor still looking for an attribution. (for hours and hours and hours! no luck!!) ah, the wonder-boy does it again! I had cleaned away all the links to the engraving that started this, but he has found it http://womenshistory.about.com/od/tudor/a/tudor_women_4.htm The caption there says "after Holbein"! Comparing the two, we find it very interesting how much older the monochrome looks (the person in the monochrome, I mean), vs. the child in color! The white furring in the color image looks much more reasonable, too. enjoy! Chimene & Gerek ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmPoYN5xl3rqnHY15jsmuP9RATqBaP7I1vukffw68m0GVAM7uM4/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress
Thanks for the explanation! I'm curious now too, were you only going to line the bodice, or the whole skirt as well? I just imagine that lining the skirt with wool would be incredibly heavy, no matter how light the wool is to start with. Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * > -Original Message- > From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of J A Urbik > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:42 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress > > I chose to line with wool for two reasons. > > reason 1) Drea sais that the shrinerose gown was lined with wool, so i > figured i'd go with that. "This gown bodice will have three pieces: > one back, and two front pieces. Lining is optional. The > shinrone gown was partially lined with wool; it is a rather > complex lining process, involving extending the bodice > pattern down and folding the excess fabric up on the inside. > I tried it, and it made quite a respectable gown bodice. " > > reason 2) it is fairly easy to make the gowns reversable, so > I do so, and I figured that if I wanted wool on the outside, > and i wanted it reversable, I needed wool on both sides. > > reasson 3) not a big deal, but if one wants wool, one of the > reasons that one wants wool is that it hanges diffrently then > linen, and so lining with linen would change the hang? this > one i am not too sure of cause i have not done much with wool > in the past. > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Rebecca Schmitt > wrote: > > I'm curious why you decided to line with wool as well as > use wool for > > the top fabric? Most of the extant garments I can think of (and, > > admittedly, my memory on this is not spectacular!) are > lined with linen. > > > > I made an overgown of this sort a few years back, with the > outside a > > mid-to-lightweight wool and the lining linen; I'm pretty sure I did > > not use an interlining of any sort. I it cut away in the > front quite a > > bit, so it really doesn't come together much past the > shoulder straps. > > It's very comfy, although it does wrinkle some. That doesn't really > > bother me much - the ease of movement as I chase my > 3-year-old is much more important! > > > > > > Rebecca Schmitt > > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire > > * > > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com > >> [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of J A Urbik > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:40 AM > >> To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> Subject: [h-cost] Flemish Dress > >> > >> Hi all, am making this year's edition of the whole flemish dress, > >> this time I am making a Gored Kirtle > >> (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/kirtlepat/gored.html) and an > >> overdress > >> (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/makeflem.html#gown). > >> In the past I had made both under and overdress out of linen, > >> because I was mostly doing summer events. > >> > >> However, this time I am going to make the overdress out of > wool, with > >> wool as the lining. Both are fairly light weight, and we will see > >> about how hot it is (i actually think it should be book, > at least for > >> non-extremely hot days, and for the really hot days, a couple of > >> pieces of ice down the bodice should do wonders). > >> > >> What I would like advise about would be should I put an addition > >> layer of sturdy linen or something as an underlining on > the bodice, > >> or will the just the wool be ok? > >> > >> I know I will need a strip of something sturdy down the > front edges, > >> from previous experience with the style, but I have not worked too > >> much in wool, so i don't know how it will go. > >> > >> The gored kirtle that the overdress will go on top of is > a fashion > >> fabric and a lining, both of sturdy linen, but not heavyweight. I > >> wear size 16/18 and am about a B cup (about > >> 5'4 and 180 pounds) if that influances your advise. > Thanks for all > >> help. > >> > >> > >> jordana > >> ___ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > > > ___ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND
Thanks! This is very interesting, and more convincing than the later version, though there are still some things that seem odd. And I still don't think it's Mary I or Holbein. Melanie Schuessler On Mar 4, 2009, at 3:38 AM, Patricia Dunham wrote: My dear husband is loopy tonight, too much work out in the cold today. So he was noodling around on-line, bored with his cheating cribbage program (!), and found the original Mary I painting. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheHouseOfTudor still looking for an attribution. (for hours and hours and hours! no luck!!) ah, the wonder-boy does it again! I had cleaned away all the links to the engraving that started this, but he has found it http:// womenshistory.about.com/od/tudor/a/tudor_women_4.htm The caption there says "after Holbein"! Comparing the two, we find it very interesting how much older the monochrome looks (the person in the monochrome, I mean), vs. the child in color! The white furring in the color image looks much more reasonable, too. enjoy! Chimene & Gerek ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress
Mostly I did not want to line it for heat reasons. And I just have not recently come across a tropical weight wool that was withing affordable spects that i liked both the color and the texture. I know I can dye wool, but i am am really not prepared to do that as it seems like it is very hard to ensure that one has a specific color. also, i want to use the stuff that i have in my basement, which happens to NOT be tropical weight :) On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:01 PM, otsisto wrote: > Were you not wanting to not line it for heat reasons or sewing reasons? > If you were wanting a cooler outfit you might try tropical weight wool and > line with linen for the outer piece and make the kirtle out of linen, only > lining the bodice. > > > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Flemish Dress
I chose to line with wool for two reasons. reason 1) Drea sais that the shrinerose gown was lined with wool, so i figured i'd go with that. "This gown bodice will have three pieces: one back, and two front pieces. Lining is optional. The shinrone gown was partially lined with wool; it is a rather complex lining process, involving extending the bodice pattern down and folding the excess fabric up on the inside. I tried it, and it made quite a respectable gown bodice. " reason 2) it is fairly easy to make the gowns reversable, so I do so, and I figured that if I wanted wool on the outside, and i wanted it reversable, I needed wool on both sides. reasson 3) not a big deal, but if one wants wool, one of the reasons that one wants wool is that it hanges diffrently then linen, and so lining with linen would change the hang? this one i am not too sure of cause i have not done much with wool in the past. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > I'm curious why you decided to line with wool as well as use wool for the > top fabric? Most of the extant garments I can think of (and, admittedly, my > memory on this is not spectacular!) are lined with linen. > > I made an overgown of this sort a few years back, with the outside a > mid-to-lightweight wool and the lining linen; I'm pretty sure I did not use > an interlining of any sort. I it cut away in the front quite a bit, so it > really doesn't come together much past the shoulder straps. It's very comfy, > although it does wrinkle some. That doesn't really bother me much - the ease > of movement as I chase my 3-year-old is much more important! > > > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire > * > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com >> [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of J A Urbik >> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:40 AM >> To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >> Subject: [h-cost] Flemish Dress >> >> Hi all, am making this year's edition of the whole flemish >> dress, this time I am making a Gored Kirtle >> (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/kirtlepat/gored.html) and >> an overdress >> (http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/makeflem.html#gown). >> In the past I had made both under and overdress out of >> linen, because I was mostly doing summer events. >> >> However, this time I am going to make the overdress out of >> wool, with wool as the lining. Both are fairly light weight, >> and we will see about how hot it is (i actually think it >> should be book, at least for non-extremely hot days, and for >> the really hot days, a couple of pieces of ice down the >> bodice should do wonders). >> >> What I would like advise about would be should I put an >> addition layer of sturdy linen or something as an underlining >> on the bodice, or will the just the wool be ok? >> >> I know I will need a strip of something sturdy down the front >> edges, from previous experience with the style, but I have >> not worked too much in wool, so i don't know how it will go. >> >> The gored kirtle that the overdress will go on top of is a >> fashion fabric and a lining, both of sturdy linen, but not >> heavyweight. I wear size 16/18 and am about a B cup (about >> 5'4 and 180 pounds) if that influances your advise. Thanks >> for all help. >> >> >> jordana >> ___ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND
My dear husband is loopy tonight, too much work out in the cold today. So he was noodling around on-line, bored with his cheating cribbage program (!), and found the original Mary I painting. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheHouseOfTudor still looking for an attribution. (for hours and hours and hours! no luck!!) ah, the wonder-boy does it again! I had cleaned away all the links to the engraving that started this, but he has found it http://womenshistory.about.com/od/tudor/a/tudor_women_4.htm The caption there says "after Holbein"! Comparing the two, we find it very interesting how much older the monochrome looks (the person in the monochrome, I mean), vs. the child in color! The white furring in the color image looks much more reasonable, too. enjoy! Chimene & Gerek ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
