Re: [h-cost] Book review requested - Nineteenth Century Fashion indetail
Worth whatever they're charging for it. I live by my copy. For interior details, check out Costume in Detail: 1730-1930 (Paperback) by > Nancy Bradfield ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book review requested - Nineteenth Century Fashion indetail
For interior details, check out Costume in Detail: 1730-1930 (Paperback) by Nancy Bradfield Amazon has it. Kim -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:30 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Book review requested - Nineteenth Century Fashion indetail Hi everyone, I've just got some bonus money and I'm planning on spending some of it on books. I'm looking for a book that will show me internal construction details of Victorian era clothing preferably using detailed photos. Looking on Amazon I found Nineteenth Century Fashion in Detail by Lucy Johnston, so for those who have a copy does it include these sort of details (or it is external decorative details like embroidery or ruching). My final question is Amazon UK has two books listed one that's in print http://tinyurl.com/oobv6x and one that's out of print http://tinyurl.com/oapatu Does anyone know if there are any differences between the editions apart from the cover? Thanks Elizabeth --- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra, Australia http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about documentation
Sure. BTW, if you're the same Deb Salisbury who designed the wizard tabard I wore in Costume Maker's Art, now my 21-year-old has started making one. On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker < d...@mantua-maker.com> wrote: > Hi Kayta, > > May I put your article on my website? I think it was very well done, and a > good resource for historical costumers. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about documentation
Hi Kayta, May I put your article on my website? I think it was very well done, and a good resource for historical costumers. Happy sewing, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian Now available: Elephant's Breath and London Smoke: Historical Colors, Names, Definitions & Uses www.mantua-maker.com http://mantua-maker-patterns.blogspot.com - See my Color of the Day ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about presentation
Your call. Thank you for providing your perspective with the first two articles. Kimiko --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Käthe Barrows wrote: > From: Käthe Barrows > Subject: [h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about presentation > To: "Historical Costume" > Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 7:45 PM > I was going to write something about > presentation, but now I'm going > to let someone else write it. I apologize to all the > people who I > promised this article to. > > -- > Carolyn Kayta Barrows > -- > Blank paper is God's way of saying it ain't so easy being > God. > -- > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about presentation
I'm really sorry that you're not going to write it. I really enjoyed the first two parts you wrote. Claudine - Original Message From: Käthe Barrows To: Historical Costume Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 7:45:45 PM Subject: [h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about presentation I was going to write something about presentation, but now I'm going to let someone else write it. I apologize to all the people who I promised this article to. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- Blank paper is God's way of saying it ain't so easy being God. -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book review requested - Nineteenth Century Fashion in detail
On Thursday 07 May 2009 10:29:45 pm Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > Hi everyone, > I've just got some bonus money and I'm planning on spending some of it on > books. I'm looking for a book that will show me internal construction > details of Victorian era clothing preferably using detailed photos. Looking > on Amazon I found Nineteenth Century Fashion in Detail by Lucy Johnston, so > for those who have a copy does it include these sort of details (or it is > external decorative details like embroidery or ruching). All of the photos are of external details, such as ruching. However, there are no photos of the entire garment (though there are line sketches) and no photos showing construction. -- Cathy Raymond "All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed." --Sean O'Casey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about presentation
I was going to write something about presentation, but now I'm going to let someone else write it. I apologize to all the people who I promised this article to. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- Blank paper is God's way of saying it ain't so easy being God. -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about workmanship and historical interpretation
Sorry. I guess people couldn't see how much I was laughing when I wrote it - the entrant saw our actual reaction at the time. IIRC, the entrant laughed *with us* when we said all this in front of her, so I didn't think she'd be offended when I said it again. (If she was offended, I'll apologize publicly, if she e-mails me.) And she did tie for Best in Show, unanimously, so I thought it made a good example. And, like I said, she might as well have stepped right out of the pattern envelope, it was that perfect a replica - the ribbons on the hat were even draped exactly the same way. (Part of her docs, on the underwear, was a contemporary advertisement which said, "I dreamed I was at the Masquerade in my Maidenform bra".) As far as repeating what the judges said, I figure if the contestant was present, as a witness, that much information could be made public. As in, she was free to repeat it if she wanted to, or call us on any misrepresentation. What we said while deliberating did, in fact, stay in the room (our judge's clerk probably shredded it along with all the rest of the deliberation paperwork). It's probably bad manners to say this on the list rather than privately, but > I'm a bit concerned for what the lurkers might think if this isn't responded > to. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Book review requested - Nineteenth Century Fashion in detail
Hi everyone, I've just got some bonus money and I'm planning on spending some of it on books. I'm looking for a book that will show me internal construction details of Victorian era clothing preferably using detailed photos. Looking on Amazon I found Nineteenth Century Fashion in Detail by Lucy Johnston, so for those who have a copy does it include these sort of details (or it is external decorative details like embroidery or ruching). My final question is Amazon UK has two books listed one that's in print http://tinyurl.com/oobv6x and one that's out of print http://tinyurl.com/oapatu Does anyone know if there are any differences between the editions apart from the cover? Thanks Elizabeth --- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra, Australia http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about workmanship and historical interpretation
As a two-time judge of historical clothing at CostumeCon and a viewer of this year's entrants, let me weigh in for a minute. All judges have historical biases, but we're adult enough to put them aside. Besides, there are 3 people judging, so if one person hates 1950s styles, the other 2 might not. I didn't like the hat from the 1959 Dior pattern?-- frankly, I thought it looked like a wastebasket -- but the rest of the outfit was fabulous. If I thought for a minute I could have fit in that suit ... well, you get the point. On the other hand, there are other time periods I love, but that's not going to influence me either. A good job is a good job. At the first CostumeCon I attended, one of the pattern companies (Simplicity, I think) offered a prize for the most creative use of its patterns. The winning outfit was Adrien Butterfield's Nazi uniform. I KNOW the judges hated that, but it was the best. Kathleen Norvell -Original Message- From: Andrew T Trembley To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 7 May 2009 6:43 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about workmanship and historical interpretation On May 7, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Heather Rose Jones wrote:? > It's probably bad manners to say this on the list rather than > privately, > but I'm a bit concerned for what the lurkers might think > if this isn't > responded to.? ? No, it's really not bad manners.? ? > If that had been something I entered, I would be extremely hurt and > > horrified to see a judge talking about it in this fashion. A hat is > > "stupid" simply because you had a bad experience with '50s fashion? > An > entire historical fashion era makes you gag? I would find it > very difficult > to trust a judge to be impartial who expresses > opinions like this. You say > it "shouldn't" matter, but I'd look for > a bit more evidence that the judges > control their rendered judgement > better than their expressed opinions.? ? There are no judges who don't have any stylistic biases. We need to admit that up front, rather than embrace a myth. A good masquerade director will consider the biases of potential judges and build a panel that provides balance.? ? That said, some of the comments about entries are borderline at best. Like Vegas, what happens in the judging space should stay in the judging space, privy to only the judges, the clerk and the director, unless the entrant (and only the entrant) asks for critique from the judges. The goal is to encourage people to enter by rewarding excellent research and execution, not to scare them away by offering unsolicited criticism.? ? andy? ___? h-costume mailing list? h-cost...@mail.indra.com? http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about workmanship and historical interpretation
On May 7, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Heather Rose Jones wrote: It's probably bad manners to say this on the list rather than privately, but I'm a bit concerned for what the lurkers might think if this isn't responded to. No, it's really not bad manners. If that had been something I entered, I would be extremely hurt and horrified to see a judge talking about it in this fashion. A hat is "stupid" simply because you had a bad experience with '50s fashion? An entire historical fashion era makes you gag? I would find it very difficult to trust a judge to be impartial who expresses opinions like this. You say it "shouldn't" matter, but I'd look for a bit more evidence that the judges control their rendered judgement better than their expressed opinions. There are no judges who don't have any stylistic biases. We need to admit that up front, rather than embrace a myth. A good masquerade director will consider the biases of potential judges and build a panel that provides balance. That said, some of the comments about entries are borderline at best. Like Vegas, what happens in the judging space should stay in the judging space, privy to only the judges, the clerk and the director, unless the entrant (and only the entrant) asks for critique from the judges. The goal is to encourage people to enter by rewarding excellent research and execution, not to scare them away by offering unsolicited criticism. andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about workmanship and historical interpretation
On May 7, 2009, at 2:19 AM, Käthe Barrows wrote: What if the judges don't like my historical period? This shouldn't matter if they're honest. Case in point, all three of us judges gagged when we saw that someone was entering that 1959 Dior outfit. We' were all old enough to have developed a bad taste for that period - first hand. (It's stuff like that that made me want to be a Hippie.) And every contemporary 1959 detail she showed us, including that stupid hat, only made us gag more. But she could have walked right out of the Vogue pattern envelope she showed us (all she had was the envelope, and she had to modify another pattern to get what she wanted). I can't think of much she could have done better (except picking a period I liked). It's probably bad manners to say this on the list rather than privately, but I'm a bit concerned for what the lurkers might think if this isn't responded to. If that had been something I entered, I would be extremely hurt and horrified to see a judge talking about it in this fashion. A hat is "stupid" simply because you had a bad experience with '50s fashion? An entire historical fashion era makes you gag? I would find it very difficult to trust a judge to be impartial who expresses opinions like this. You say it "shouldn't" matter, but I'd look for a bit more evidence that the judges control their rendered judgement better than their expressed opinions. Heather Jones ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about documentation
Every set of historical judges will be different, but without your docs they can't tell how well you did, and they'd just be guessing how well you knew your stuff. > > Do I need compulsive documentation? >> >> No. If you don't have any documentation, and if you're doing a period the >> judges know a lot about anyway (or is commonly done), and if your >> presentation is good and your construction is right up there, you stand a >> chance to get an award. You just can't get a doc award without docs. And >> you might lose out to another entry just as good as yours where the fact >> that they had docs and you didn't was the tie-breaker. >> > > This can be very important. I've judged two Historic masquerades. We had an > fabulous entry in one of them that would have been a contender for Best in > Show, except the entrant had no documentation. One third of score was > eliminated, removing the contestant from consideration from Best in Show. > The entry did take major awards in both Workmanship and Presentation. But > without documentation it could not be considered for Best in Show. > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] CC27 historical judge talks about documentation
At 05:42 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote: Do I need compulsive documentation? No. If you don't have any documentation, and if you're doing a period the judges know a lot about anyway (or is commonly done), and if your presentation is good and your construction is right up there, you stand a chance to get an award. You just can't get a doc award without docs. And you might lose out to another entry just as good as yours where the fact that they had docs and you didn't was the tie-breaker. This can be very important. I've judged two Historic masquerades. We had an fabulous entry in one of them that would have been a contender for Best in Show, except the entrant had no documentation. One third of score was eliminated, removing the contestant from consideration from Best in Show. The entry did take major awards in both Workmanship and Presentation. But without documentation it could not be considered for Best in Show. Pierre "Those Who Fail to Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly - Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C. Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Quilted petticoat--earliest usage?
Hi I'm 2/3s done with the quilting on my petticoat. The question came up of how early these were used...I've seen mid 17th cent...any one have any earlier sightings? (can ya tell I jump from year 1 to 18th cent in one big hop? ) Ta Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Video of Costume Designer Ann Roth
Thanks, Penny, for sharing that. I look forward to the next 2 parts, although the video stopped so many times it was frustrating to watch. I really liked that she said at the beginning that she almost never thinks of making her costumes pretty or attractive, as this is one of the big differences in designing for theatre and designing fashion, and something that I don't think young students sometimes take into consideration when trying to decide on a design career. Btw, I just noticed, and maybe it has been mentioned already but I missed it, that Bravo is starting a new fashion competition show tonight, since Project Runway is going to Lifetime. It's being hosted by Isaac Mizrahi. Sylvia R On May 6, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: Film designer Ann Roth discussing making costumes: http://www.makingof.com/insiders/media/ann/roth/ann-roth-on-costume- design/61/105 This is the first of a three part video. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
