Re: [h-cost] Special Membership Rate for Costume-Con 28 UPDATE
In a message dated 1/1/2010 1:00:37 PM Central Standard Time, cc2010m...@cs.com writes: > > Welcome to 2010! > > As a special incentive to come to Costume-Con 28, we are rolling back the > membership rate to $70! But only for a few days! This rate will only be > valid > until the end of Monday, January 4th. You can find the form at > http://www.cc28.org/memberships.php. Just write the phrase "This never > happened to the other guy" on the form. You can make payment via PayPal to > cc2010m...@cs.com. > > Henry W. Osier > Chairman, Costume-Con 28 > May 7 to May 10, 2010 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin > www.CC28.org > Look for our fan page on Facebook! > And on Twitter: CostumeCon28 > Got questions? > Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group! > Extend that to January 15th! Feel free to spread the word to everyone! Henry W. Osier Chairman, Costume-Con 28 May 7 to May 10, 2010 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin www.CC28.org Look for our fan page on Facebook! And on Twitter: CostumeCon28 Got questions? Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Online dictionary of colors with color swatches
Sounds like a fine resolution for the new year. You're the one who said my comments were erroneous and that people should go elsewhere for information. Maybe it's Mercury Retrograde having a go at us, because I thought it was possible to have a discussion on the topic. I merely posted a URL. If you want to point out a dozen reasons why it's useless and a bad URL . . . And if you want to establish you're a printing expert so you can find a new job, this is not the best list to do it on. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Online dictionary of colors with color swatches
On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Kimiko Small wrote: Then may I suggest we drop this topic asap? Please? Kimiko I'm still interested in hearing other experiences with using color systems regarding historic costuming. One other benefit for those who work with printers — if it's a web printer (printing from a large roll of paper rather than sheet- fed) you can ask for a butt roll. That's the end of the roll, still with a good amount of paper on it. When they change rolls, they do not let the old one run out, as it takes time to re-thread the press. Anyway, there's plenty of paper left over on a butt roll and it's great for making or altering patterns. But hey, I'm not in the mood to play one-upmanship games. Fran Sounds like a fine resolution for the new year. You're the one who said my comments were erroneous and that people should go elsewhere for information. Maybe it's Mercury Retrograde having a go at us, because I thought it was possible to have a discussion on the topic. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Online dictionary of colors with color swatches
They've always been chemical. If you can touch it, it's either a chemical, or a mix of chemicals. Perhaps you mean "synthetic". Ann in CT --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Sharon Collier wrote: > Burnt umber is what you get when you > literally burn Umber, which is a type > of clay. Ocher is another clay type. It is one of the older > colors, made of > real stuff (like ground rock) instead of dye. Nowadays, > though, they're > probably all chemical. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Online dictionary of colors with color swatches
Fine with me. I have two books to lay out and proof. I was just throwing out a URL I ran across when I was researching something. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com On 1/2/2010 11:05 AM, Kimiko Small wrote: Then may I suggest we drop this topic asap? Please? Kimiko ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Online dictionary of colors with color swatches
Then may I suggest we drop this topic asap? Please? Kimiko > But hey, I'm not in the mood to play one-upmanship games. > Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Online dictionary of colors with color swatches
It's a matter of professional tools vs the need for them, and how precise does a costumer want to be with color. Design studios and printers may well replace their pantone books every year. These days many projects do colors with a CMYK build (instead of custom mixed ink), and the CMYK can vary on press. When dealing with corporate identity colors, it's an expensive mistake to have to reprint. Other projects won't be as persnickety, so a slight color shift due to aging or fading in the swatchbook won't have an impact. I know all that, Carol. I HAVE done production work for 15 years, and usually the colors are CMYK. You seem to be talking more about spot colors, and everyone knows that spot color does not always correspond 100% to CMYK. Pantone has a special spot-to-color swatch book to help. Personally, for a corporate logo, I'd just use spot color. I've had this discussion with a fair number of other people who do production work. My point is that the swatchbooks DON'T fade perceptibly for several years if well kept. I've compared. Other people have compared. Pantone says you need to replace them every year but then, Pantone is the party who sells them. But hey, I'm not in the mood to play one-upmanship games. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] color chart
I found the color chart highly useful as a starting point for the color names I see when reading about costume. I'll have to adjust my monitor to get truer images than what I'm currently seeing but this looks like fun. Some charts I know use DMC wool tapestry yarn colors as a color reference when talking about naturally dyeing wool yarn or fabric. It is often easily available around here (Midwest) and it's not too expensive if you want to buy a skein as a portable color reference for a particular fabric search. Happy New Year everyone and may the costume gremlins avoid your house completely this year. Cassandra ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Online dictionary of colors with color swatches
On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: For one thing, it's Pantone who recommends that the swatches be replaced every year. I'm only on my third Pantone fan, and I've been working with them for 15 years. When I've replaced them I've compared the old and new swatches. They don't fade to speak of unless you leave the swatches open on your desk when you are not using them, and obviously, the solution is keep them in a closed drawer. It may not matter to you if your employer is paying for them. And as far as production costs go, using a fan for several years instead of one doesn't save much money. Still, it can be done. It's a matter of professional tools vs the need for them, and how precise does a costumer want to be with color. Design studios and printers may well replace their pantone books every year. These days many projects do colors with a CMYK build (instead of custom mixed ink), and the CMYK can vary on press. When dealing with corporate identity colors, it's an expensive mistake to have to reprint. Other projects won't be as persnickety, so a slight color shift due to aging or fading in the swatchbook won't have an impact. Do you know what the fabric printing and dyeing industry uses for swatch books? Do they use Pantone or something else? I don't know about professional fabric printing. The on-demand printing (such as Spoonflower) seem to be working it out with the efforts of users. This blog http://blog.mammamadedesigns.com/archive/2008/08/13/spoonflower- fabric-development-series-5-color-calibration-part-c.aspx has a color chart, shown as RGB (at the bottom of the page) and as printed fabric (at the top). Even taking into consideration the differences in photos, you can see some colors are different. Here is a more direct example of some color shifts: http://blog.mammamadedesigns.com/archive/2008/07/18/spoonflower- fabric-development-series-5-color-calibration-part-b.aspx See how the green stems turned out the same color as the green field. This is the chart from Spoonflower: http://blog.spoonflower.com/files/spoonflower_color_chart.tif Where they removed a chunk of colors that tend to shift. And while they removed reds, I was seeing changes in blues and greens in the Mamamade example. The Mamamade blog goes through a lot of color information. Something I can imagine happening — say we have a vintage garment that's a print fabric that we want to repro. So we scan the fabric and then correct for any fading or yellowing. That's not enough, the colors also need to be redone to allow for the shift. Also subtle differences in color may not come out, such as in the calibration example. What if the fabric I want is a multitone madder print — some tones will come out the same. The PMS book or other color match system is not going to help here. The costumer needs to get color swatches of fabric printed on the actual intended fabric, on the machine that will be used. Luckily it's available. Also once calibrated, a user could also calibrate her monitor to more closely match what she will get from Spoonflower. It can be set up as a profile so I could toggle between that and a traditional color profile, to change back & forth depending on the project. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
