Re: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

[penny1a]

I loved the band the Way Outs!

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Re: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

[Lavolta Press]

On 2/14/2011 6:22 PM, Margo Anderson wrote:
Dated it may be, but the Illustrated Hassle Free Make Your Own Clothes 
book set quite a few of us on the path of costuming, sewing and 
patternmaking.  I for one was delighted to be freed from the tyranny 
of the pattern companies, whose size range, at that time, stopped at 
14.  Using their method of tracing existing garments helped me make 
some simple yet pretty dresses, tops,and pants, and that gave me the 
confidence and interest to learn more.




It's very much the counterpart of a number of new books I'm seeing, that 
are geared at teens and twenty-somethings who are also beginning sewers. 
These new books also have the themes of, draft your own patterns, create 
your individual style, recycle; and the same tone of, it's easy, jump 
right in.  The styles are different and so is the slang, but that will 
be true of these new books in just a few years.


Fran
Lavolta Press
www.lavoltapress.com

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Re: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

[Margo Anderson]

Dated it may be, but the Illustrated Hassle Free Make Your Own Clothes  
book set quite a few of us on the path of costuming, sewing and  
patternmaking.  I for one was delighted to be freed from the tyranny  
of the pattern companies, whose size range, at that time, stopped at  
14.  Using their method of tracing existing garments helped me make  
some simple yet pretty dresses, tops,and pants, and that gave me the  
confidence and interest to learn more.


One can always learn, even from the most unlikely sources.

Margo

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Re: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

[Ginni Morgan]

Ah, just wondered.  If I remember correctly, my ex-husband graduated from 
Lincoln in Stockton in 1969.  I thought it was too much of a coincidence.  You 
must have had a VERY interesting high school experience!  ;>)

Ginni

>>> Lynn Downward  2/14/11 3:33 PM >>>
No, Lincoln High in San Francisco, built in the 1920s, at the top of the
hill that is the Sunset District.

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Ginni Morgan wrote:

> Ahh, but if I lost just a few more pounds I could probably get back into
> them and wear them for Halloween next year.  ;>)  BTW, is that Lincoln High
> in Stockton you're referring to?
>
> Ginni
>
> >>> Lynn Downward  2/14/11 1:30 PM >>>
>  Probably not too soon.
> LynnD
> San Francisco, CA
> Lincoln High, Class of '69
> We're so cool, we're so fine/We're the Class of '69
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Ginni Morgan  >wrote:
>
> > Oh dear!  I guess I should hang onto those crocheted minidresses from my
> > high school & college years, then.  They just might be worth something
> > someday soon.
> >
> > Ginni
> > Sacramento, CA
> > ECHS '68
> >
> > >>> Laurie Taylor  2/14/11 1:13 PM >>>
> >  Oh my, I laughed so hard at the idea of there ever being re-enactment
> > groups
> > for the era of my childhood!  I'm having trouble coping with the idea of
> > the
> > 70's, 80's and 90's being 'vintage' and collectible.  Still, I wish I had
> > hung on to some pieces from back then.
> >
> > And if we can re-enact the Middle Ages or the Civil War, well...why not?
> >
> > Laurie T.
> >
> > Phoenix
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] 
> On
> > Behalf Of Land of Oz
> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 1:39 PM
> > To: Historical Costume
> > Subject: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...
> >
> > but soon to be!
> >
> > I recently found a book called The Illustrated Hassle-free Make Your Own
> > Clothes Book by Rosonberg and Weiner published by Bantam.
> >
> > I ordered it sight-unseen, so it's not exactly what I thought it was
> going
> > to be, but it's proven to be an interesting glimpse into the recent past
> of
> > clothing/costuming. It was published in 1971 and the introduction is full
> > of
> >
> > hippie phrasing like "my old man" "groovy" "fairly heavy cat" "funkiness"
> > "up-tightness" and even the f-bomb.
> >
> > I read the introduction aloud to my mother (who was a 31 year old
> > tailor/seamstress in 1971 but definitely in the Channel and Pearls camp
> > rather than the counter-culture group) and we both thought it was
> > hilarious.
> >
> >  We both noted that in just a few more decades most people won't be able
> to
> > correctly interpret such phrases as "he was a fairly heavy cat"  lol!  My
> > mother also reminded me of several older-than-me friends of the family I
> > had
> >
> > admired growing up who were into making mu'umu'u from flowered bed
> sheets,
> > and using wildly contrasting fabric to insert large wedges into the
> pant's
> > legs of their jeans. (I was, of course, forbidden to do any such thing!)
> >
> > Will there someday be reinactment groups for the late 60s to 70s?  :-)
> >  This
> >
> > book may prove to be a valuable reference!
> >
> > Denise B
> > Iowa
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Re: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

[Lynn Downward]

No, Lincoln High in San Francisco, built in the 1920s, at the top of the
hill that is the Sunset District.

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Ginni Morgan wrote:

> Ahh, but if I lost just a few more pounds I could probably get back into
> them and wear them for Halloween next year.  ;>)  BTW, is that Lincoln High
> in Stockton you're referring to?
>
> Ginni
>
> >>> Lynn Downward  2/14/11 1:30 PM >>>
>  Probably not too soon.
> LynnD
> San Francisco, CA
> Lincoln High, Class of '69
> We're so cool, we're so fine/We're the Class of '69
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Ginni Morgan  >wrote:
>
> > Oh dear!  I guess I should hang onto those crocheted minidresses from my
> > high school & college years, then.  They just might be worth something
> > someday soon.
> >
> > Ginni
> > Sacramento, CA
> > ECHS '68
> >
> > >>> Laurie Taylor  2/14/11 1:13 PM >>>
> >  Oh my, I laughed so hard at the idea of there ever being re-enactment
> > groups
> > for the era of my childhood!  I'm having trouble coping with the idea of
> > the
> > 70's, 80's and 90's being 'vintage' and collectible.  Still, I wish I had
> > hung on to some pieces from back then.
> >
> > And if we can re-enact the Middle Ages or the Civil War, well...why not?
> >
> > Laurie T.
> >
> > Phoenix
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Land of Oz
> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 1:39 PM
> > To: Historical Costume
> > Subject: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...
> >
> > but soon to be!
> >
> > I recently found a book called The Illustrated Hassle-free Make Your Own
> > Clothes Book by Rosonberg and Weiner published by Bantam.
> >
> > I ordered it sight-unseen, so it's not exactly what I thought it was
> going
> > to be, but it's proven to be an interesting glimpse into the recent past
> of
> > clothing/costuming. It was published in 1971 and the introduction is full
> > of
> >
> > hippie phrasing like "my old man" "groovy" "fairly heavy cat" "funkiness"
> > "up-tightness" and even the f-bomb.
> >
> > I read the introduction aloud to my mother (who was a 31 year old
> > tailor/seamstress in 1971 but definitely in the Channel and Pearls camp
> > rather than the counter-culture group) and we both thought it was
> > hilarious.
> >
> >  We both noted that in just a few more decades most people won't be able
> to
> > correctly interpret such phrases as "he was a fairly heavy cat"  lol!  My
> > mother also reminded me of several older-than-me friends of the family I
> > had
> >
> > admired growing up who were into making mu'umu'u from flowered bed
> sheets,
> > and using wildly contrasting fabric to insert large wedges into the
> pant's
> > legs of their jeans. (I was, of course, forbidden to do any such thing!)
> >
> > Will there someday be reinactment groups for the late 60s to 70s?  :-)
> >  This
> >
> > book may prove to be a valuable reference!
> >
> > Denise B
> > Iowa
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Re: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

[Sharon Collier]

I have already been to a "hippie" themed party/dance, at my son's school
about 8 years ago!
Sharon C. 

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Land of Oz
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 12:39 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

but soon to be!

I recently found a book called The Illustrated Hassle-free Make Your Own
Clothes Book by Rosonberg and Weiner published by Bantam.

I ordered it sight-unseen, so it's not exactly what I thought it was going
to be, but it's proven to be an interesting glimpse into the recent past of
clothing/costuming. It was published in 1971 and the introduction is full of
hippie phrasing like "my old man" "groovy" "fairly heavy cat" "funkiness" 
"up-tightness" and even the f-bomb.

I read the introduction aloud to my mother (who was a 31 year old
tailor/seamstress in 1971 but definitely in the Channel and Pearls camp
rather than the counter-culture group) and we both thought it was hilarious.

 We both noted that in just a few more decades most people won't be able to
correctly interpret such phrases as "he was a fairly heavy cat"  lol!  My
mother also reminded me of several older-than-me friends of the family I had
admired growing up who were into making mu'umu'u from flowered bed sheets,
and using wildly contrasting fabric to insert large wedges into the pant's
legs of their jeans. (I was, of course, forbidden to do any such thing!)

Will there someday be reinactment groups for the late 60s to 70s?  :-)  This
book may prove to be a valuable reference!

Denise B
Iowa
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Re: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

[Laurie Taylor]

Oh my yes!  I'd hang on to anything crocheted like that.  Just love crochet
I guess.  Actually, they'd probably be cute over leggings or a slip
dress...could easily be worn today for some people!

Laurie

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Ginni Morgan
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 2:22 PM
To: 'Historical Costume'
Subject: Re: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

Oh dear!  I guess I should hang onto those crocheted minidresses from my
high school & college years, then.  They just might be worth something
someday soon.

Ginni
Sacramento, CA
ECHS '68

>>> Laurie Taylor  2/14/11 1:13 PM >>>
Oh my, I laughed so hard at the idea of there ever being re-enactment groups
for the era of my childhood!  I'm having trouble coping with the idea of the
70's, 80's and 90's being 'vintage' and collectible.  Still, I wish I had
hung on to some pieces from back then.  

And if we can re-enact the Middle Ages or the Civil War, well...why not?

Laurie T.

Phoenix

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Land of Oz
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 1:39 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

but soon to be!

I recently found a book called The Illustrated Hassle-free Make Your Own 
Clothes Book by Rosonberg and Weiner published by Bantam.

I ordered it sight-unseen, so it's not exactly what I thought it was going 
to be, but it's proven to be an interesting glimpse into the recent past of 
clothing/costuming. It was published in 1971 and the introduction is full of

hippie phrasing like "my old man" "groovy" "fairly heavy cat" "funkiness" 
"up-tightness" and even the f-bomb.

I read the introduction aloud to my mother (who was a 31 year old 
tailor/seamstress in 1971 but definitely in the Channel and Pearls camp 
rather than the counter-culture group) and we both thought it was hilarious.

 We both noted that in just a few more decades most people won't be able to 
correctly interpret such phrases as "he was a fairly heavy cat"  lol!  My 
mother also reminded me of several older-than-me friends of the family I had

admired growing up who were into making mu'umu'u from flowered bed sheets, 
and using wildly contrasting fabric to insert large wedges into the pant's 
legs of their jeans. (I was, of course, forbidden to do any such thing!)

Will there someday be reinactment groups for the late 60s to 70s?  :-)  This

book may prove to be a valuable reference!

Denise B
Iowa
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Re: [h-cost] 15th c sewing technique

[Joan Jurancich]

In Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion", Volume 
1, there are pictures of a doublet (c. 1610) with 
buttons with worked linen shanks on the left edge 
of the front; the clearest picture of the buttons 
is Figure 162 on page 25.  There are other examples.


Joan Jurancich

At 12:54 PM 2/14/2011, you wrote:
Perhaps the Moy Bog dress? I don´t know of any 
bit of fabric in Textiles and Clothing that 
would have been complete enough for reconstruction, but the Moy Bog gown is...


Hanna

At 21:17 14.02.2011, you wrote:

Buttons on the edge ---  sounds like the extant dress that either Kass
McGann or   -- saw and
reproduced. The dress was either Irish or Scottish in origin.

It sticks in my head because the extant dress was *almost* the ladies exact
size.

Katheryne


On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:37 PM,  wrote:

> Buttons along the edge: that sounds familiar. I feel I've seen a photo of
> that...maybe in "Textiles and clothing, c.1150-c.1450" (Crowfoot. et al)
> cited
> by Catherine earlier? It's been a while 
since I did any research related to

> that
> time period, but "buttons along the edge" triggered an image of an extant
> find
> in my muddled brain.
>
> Claudine
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Re: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

[Carmen Beaudry]

Are you kidding?  They're in style now.

Melusine

On 2/14/2011 1:22 PM, Ginni Morgan wrote:

Oh dear!  I guess I should hang onto those crocheted minidresses from my high 
school&  college years, then.  They just might be worth something someday soon.

Ginni
Sacramento, CA
ECHS '68



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Re: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

[Ginni Morgan]

Ahh, but if I lost just a few more pounds I could probably get back into them 
and wear them for Halloween next year.  ;>)  BTW, is that Lincoln High in 
Stockton you're referring to?

Ginni

>>> Lynn Downward  2/14/11 1:30 PM >>>
Probably not too soon.
LynnD
San Francisco, CA
Lincoln High, Class of '69
We're so cool, we're so fine/We're the Class of '69

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Ginni Morgan wrote:

> Oh dear!  I guess I should hang onto those crocheted minidresses from my
> high school & college years, then.  They just might be worth something
> someday soon.
>
> Ginni
> Sacramento, CA
> ECHS '68
>
> >>> Laurie Taylor  2/14/11 1:13 PM >>>
>  Oh my, I laughed so hard at the idea of there ever being re-enactment
> groups
> for the era of my childhood!  I'm having trouble coping with the idea of
> the
> 70's, 80's and 90's being 'vintage' and collectible.  Still, I wish I had
> hung on to some pieces from back then.
>
> And if we can re-enact the Middle Ages or the Civil War, well...why not?
>
> Laurie T.
>
> Phoenix
>
> -Original Message-
> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
> Behalf Of Land of Oz
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 1:39 PM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...
>
> but soon to be!
>
> I recently found a book called The Illustrated Hassle-free Make Your Own
> Clothes Book by Rosonberg and Weiner published by Bantam.
>
> I ordered it sight-unseen, so it's not exactly what I thought it was going
> to be, but it's proven to be an interesting glimpse into the recent past of
> clothing/costuming. It was published in 1971 and the introduction is full
> of
>
> hippie phrasing like "my old man" "groovy" "fairly heavy cat" "funkiness"
> "up-tightness" and even the f-bomb.
>
> I read the introduction aloud to my mother (who was a 31 year old
> tailor/seamstress in 1971 but definitely in the Channel and Pearls camp
> rather than the counter-culture group) and we both thought it was
> hilarious.
>
>  We both noted that in just a few more decades most people won't be able to
> correctly interpret such phrases as "he was a fairly heavy cat"  lol!  My
> mother also reminded me of several older-than-me friends of the family I
> had
>
> admired growing up who were into making mu'umu'u from flowered bed sheets,
> and using wildly contrasting fabric to insert large wedges into the pant's
> legs of their jeans. (I was, of course, forbidden to do any such thing!)
>
> Will there someday be reinactment groups for the late 60s to 70s?  :-)
>  This
>
> book may prove to be a valuable reference!
>
> Denise B
> Iowa
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Re: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

[Lynn Downward]

Probably not too soon.
LynnD
San Francisco, CA
Lincoln High, Class of '69
We're so cool, we're so fine/We're the Class of '69

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Ginni Morgan wrote:

> Oh dear!  I guess I should hang onto those crocheted minidresses from my
> high school & college years, then.  They just might be worth something
> someday soon.
>
> Ginni
> Sacramento, CA
> ECHS '68
>
> >>> Laurie Taylor  2/14/11 1:13 PM >>>
>  Oh my, I laughed so hard at the idea of there ever being re-enactment
> groups
> for the era of my childhood!  I'm having trouble coping with the idea of
> the
> 70's, 80's and 90's being 'vintage' and collectible.  Still, I wish I had
> hung on to some pieces from back then.
>
> And if we can re-enact the Middle Ages or the Civil War, well...why not?
>
> Laurie T.
>
> Phoenix
>
> -Original Message-
> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
> Behalf Of Land of Oz
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 1:39 PM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...
>
> but soon to be!
>
> I recently found a book called The Illustrated Hassle-free Make Your Own
> Clothes Book by Rosonberg and Weiner published by Bantam.
>
> I ordered it sight-unseen, so it's not exactly what I thought it was going
> to be, but it's proven to be an interesting glimpse into the recent past of
> clothing/costuming. It was published in 1971 and the introduction is full
> of
>
> hippie phrasing like "my old man" "groovy" "fairly heavy cat" "funkiness"
> "up-tightness" and even the f-bomb.
>
> I read the introduction aloud to my mother (who was a 31 year old
> tailor/seamstress in 1971 but definitely in the Channel and Pearls camp
> rather than the counter-culture group) and we both thought it was
> hilarious.
>
>  We both noted that in just a few more decades most people won't be able to
> correctly interpret such phrases as "he was a fairly heavy cat"  lol!  My
> mother also reminded me of several older-than-me friends of the family I
> had
>
> admired growing up who were into making mu'umu'u from flowered bed sheets,
> and using wildly contrasting fabric to insert large wedges into the pant's
> legs of their jeans. (I was, of course, forbidden to do any such thing!)
>
> Will there someday be reinactment groups for the late 60s to 70s?  :-)
>  This
>
> book may prove to be a valuable reference!
>
> Denise B
> Iowa
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Re: [h-cost] 15th c sewing technique

[cw15147-hcost01]

Perusing Kass's research 
() 
arguably several of the extent garments have buttons attached at the edge of 
the 
closing edge. But that's not what I'm thinking of, I'm remembering a photograph 
from a book, that included documentation of buttonholes backed 
with...something, 
tape or something that looked like tape. Sorry, it's been too long, and I don't 
remember clearly anymore.



Claudine



- Original Message 
> From: Purple Kat 
> To: Historical Costume 
> Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 12:17:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 15th c sewing technique
> 
> Buttons on the edge ---  sounds like the extant dress that either  Kass
> McGann or   --  saw and
> reproduced. The dress was either Irish or Scottish in  origin.
> 
> It sticks in my head because the extant dress was *almost* the  ladies exact
> size.
> 
> Katheryne
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:37  PM,   wrote:
> 
> > Buttons along the edge: that sounds familiar. I feel I've  seen a photo of
> > that...maybe in "Textiles and clothing, c.1150-c.1450"  (Crowfoot. et al)
> > cited
> > by Catherine earlier? It's been a while  since I did any research related to
> > that
> > time period, but  "buttons along the edge" triggered an image of an extant
> > find
> > in  my muddled brain.
> >
> >  Claudine
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Re: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

[Ginni Morgan]

Oh dear!  I guess I should hang onto those crocheted minidresses from my high 
school & college years, then.  They just might be worth something someday soon.

Ginni
Sacramento, CA
ECHS '68

>>> Laurie Taylor  2/14/11 1:13 PM >>>
Oh my, I laughed so hard at the idea of there ever being re-enactment groups
for the era of my childhood!  I'm having trouble coping with the idea of the
70's, 80's and 90's being 'vintage' and collectible.  Still, I wish I had
hung on to some pieces from back then.  

And if we can re-enact the Middle Ages or the Civil War, well...why not?

Laurie T.

Phoenix

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Land of Oz
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 1:39 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

but soon to be!

I recently found a book called The Illustrated Hassle-free Make Your Own 
Clothes Book by Rosonberg and Weiner published by Bantam.

I ordered it sight-unseen, so it's not exactly what I thought it was going 
to be, but it's proven to be an interesting glimpse into the recent past of 
clothing/costuming. It was published in 1971 and the introduction is full of

hippie phrasing like "my old man" "groovy" "fairly heavy cat" "funkiness" 
"up-tightness" and even the f-bomb.

I read the introduction aloud to my mother (who was a 31 year old 
tailor/seamstress in 1971 but definitely in the Channel and Pearls camp 
rather than the counter-culture group) and we both thought it was hilarious.

 We both noted that in just a few more decades most people won't be able to 
correctly interpret such phrases as "he was a fairly heavy cat"  lol!  My 
mother also reminded me of several older-than-me friends of the family I had

admired growing up who were into making mu'umu'u from flowered bed sheets, 
and using wildly contrasting fabric to insert large wedges into the pant's 
legs of their jeans. (I was, of course, forbidden to do any such thing!)

Will there someday be reinactment groups for the late 60s to 70s?  :-)  This

book may prove to be a valuable reference!

Denise B
Iowa
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Re: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

[Lynn Downward]

HOLD ON! I bought that book in 1972; it sits with all my other costume
books. At the time it was very cool and taught how to sew alternative
lifestyle clothing - recycle, reuse. Sound familiar? It was a great
introduction to a couple of my friends who were convinced they'd never learn
to sew because they didn't want that Chanel look. Very basic instructions,
ideas for recycling and repairing clothing - it was a great book for its
time. It was a 'hey, even I can do that' sort of book for non-sewers.

Yes, I admit that it's very dated, but the basic ideas of how to sew, how to
modify or repair or reuse existing clothing were there, in between the 'far
out' and the 'heavy' and the 'my old man' comments. It was a more immediate,
more personable version of Better Homes and Gardens Sewing Book.

Denise, enjoy your little slice of underground living.
LynnD

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Cin  wrote:

> Far out!
> (An expression I learned watching The Flintstones)
> --cin
> Cynthia Barnes
> cinbar...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Land of Oz  wrote:
>
> > but soon to be!
> >
> > I recently found a book called The Illustrated Hassle-free Make Your Own
> > Clothes Book by Rosonberg and Weiner published by Bantam.
> >
> > I ordered it sight-unseen, so it's not exactly what I thought it was
> going
> > to be, but it's proven to be an interesting glimpse into the recent past
> of
> > clothing/costuming. It was published in 1971 and the introduction is full
> of
> > hippie phrasing like "my old man" "groovy" "fairly heavy cat" "funkiness"
> > "up-tightness" and even the f-bomb.
> >
> > I read the introduction aloud to my mother (who was a 31 year old
> > tailor/seamstress in 1971 but definitely in the Channel and Pearls camp
> > rather than the counter-culture group) and we both thought it was
> hilarious.
> > We both noted that in just a few more decades most people won't be able
> to
> > correctly interpret such phrases as "he was a fairly heavy cat"  lol!  My
> > mother also reminded me of several older-than-me friends of the family I
> had
> > admired growing up who were into making mu'umu'u from flowered bed
> sheets,
> > and using wildly contrasting fabric to insert large wedges into the
> pant's
> > legs of their jeans. (I was, of course, forbidden to do any such thing!)
> >
> > Will there someday be reinactment groups for the late 60s to 70s?  :-)
> >  This book may prove to be a valuable reference!
> >
> > Denise B
> > Iowa
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Re: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

[Laurie Taylor]

Oh my, I laughed so hard at the idea of there ever being re-enactment groups
for the era of my childhood!  I'm having trouble coping with the idea of the
70's, 80's and 90's being 'vintage' and collectible.  Still, I wish I had
hung on to some pieces from back then.  

And if we can re-enact the Middle Ages or the Civil War, well...why not?

Laurie T.

Phoenix

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Land of Oz
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 1:39 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

but soon to be!

I recently found a book called The Illustrated Hassle-free Make Your Own 
Clothes Book by Rosonberg and Weiner published by Bantam.

I ordered it sight-unseen, so it's not exactly what I thought it was going 
to be, but it's proven to be an interesting glimpse into the recent past of 
clothing/costuming. It was published in 1971 and the introduction is full of

hippie phrasing like "my old man" "groovy" "fairly heavy cat" "funkiness" 
"up-tightness" and even the f-bomb.

I read the introduction aloud to my mother (who was a 31 year old 
tailor/seamstress in 1971 but definitely in the Channel and Pearls camp 
rather than the counter-culture group) and we both thought it was hilarious.

 We both noted that in just a few more decades most people won't be able to 
correctly interpret such phrases as "he was a fairly heavy cat"  lol!  My 
mother also reminded me of several older-than-me friends of the family I had

admired growing up who were into making mu'umu'u from flowered bed sheets, 
and using wildly contrasting fabric to insert large wedges into the pant's 
legs of their jeans. (I was, of course, forbidden to do any such thing!)

Will there someday be reinactment groups for the late 60s to 70s?  :-)  This

book may prove to be a valuable reference!

Denise B
Iowa
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Re: [h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

[Cin]

Far out!
(An expression I learned watching The Flintstones)
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
cinbar...@gmail.com


On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Land of Oz  wrote:

> but soon to be!
>
> I recently found a book called The Illustrated Hassle-free Make Your Own
> Clothes Book by Rosonberg and Weiner published by Bantam.
>
> I ordered it sight-unseen, so it's not exactly what I thought it was going
> to be, but it's proven to be an interesting glimpse into the recent past of
> clothing/costuming. It was published in 1971 and the introduction is full of
> hippie phrasing like "my old man" "groovy" "fairly heavy cat" "funkiness"
> "up-tightness" and even the f-bomb.
>
> I read the introduction aloud to my mother (who was a 31 year old
> tailor/seamstress in 1971 but definitely in the Channel and Pearls camp
> rather than the counter-culture group) and we both thought it was hilarious.
> We both noted that in just a few more decades most people won't be able to
> correctly interpret such phrases as "he was a fairly heavy cat"  lol!  My
> mother also reminded me of several older-than-me friends of the family I had
> admired growing up who were into making mu'umu'u from flowered bed sheets,
> and using wildly contrasting fabric to insert large wedges into the pant's
> legs of their jeans. (I was, of course, forbidden to do any such thing!)
>
> Will there someday be reinactment groups for the late 60s to 70s?  :-)
>  This book may prove to be a valuable reference!
>
> Denise B
> Iowa
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Re: [h-cost] 15th c sewing technique

[Beteena Paradise]

Textiles and clothing has some images and information about buttons sewn to the 
edge. I believe it is a piece of sleeve.





From: Hanna Zickermann 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 8:54:34 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] 15th c sewing technique

Perhaps the Moy Bog dress? I don´t know of any 
bit of fabric in Textiles and Clothing that would 
have been complete enough for reconstruction, but the Moy Bog gown is...

Hanna

At 21:17 14.02.2011, you wrote:
>Buttons on the edge ---  sounds like the extant dress that either Kass
>McGann or   -- saw and
>reproduced. The dress was either Irish or Scottish in origin.
>
>It sticks in my head because the extant dress was *almost* the ladies exact
>size.
>
>Katheryne
>
>
>On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:37 PM,  wrote:
>
> > Buttons along the edge: that sounds familiar. I feel I've seen a photo of
> > that...maybe in "Textiles and clothing, c.1150-c.1450" (Crowfoot. et al)
> > cited
> > by Catherine earlier? It's been a while since I did any research related to
> > that
> > time period, but "buttons along the edge" triggered an image of an extant
> > find
> > in my muddled brain.
> >
> > Claudine
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Re: [h-cost] 15th c sewing technique

[Hanna Zickermann]

Perhaps the Moy Bog dress? I don´t know of any 
bit of fabric in Textiles and Clothing that would 
have been complete enough for reconstruction, but the Moy Bog gown is...


Hanna

At 21:17 14.02.2011, you wrote:

Buttons on the edge ---  sounds like the extant dress that either Kass
McGann or   -- saw and
reproduced. The dress was either Irish or Scottish in origin.

It sticks in my head because the extant dress was *almost* the ladies exact
size.

Katheryne


On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:37 PM,  wrote:

> Buttons along the edge: that sounds familiar. I feel I've seen a photo of
> that...maybe in "Textiles and clothing, c.1150-c.1450" (Crowfoot. et al)
> cited
> by Catherine earlier? It's been a while since I did any research related to
> that
> time period, but "buttons along the edge" triggered an image of an extant
> find
> in my muddled brain.
>
> Claudine
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[h-cost] not ancient hist. costume...

[Land of Oz]

but soon to be!

I recently found a book called The Illustrated Hassle-free Make Your Own 
Clothes Book by Rosonberg and Weiner published by Bantam.


I ordered it sight-unseen, so it's not exactly what I thought it was going 
to be, but it's proven to be an interesting glimpse into the recent past of 
clothing/costuming. It was published in 1971 and the introduction is full of 
hippie phrasing like "my old man" "groovy" "fairly heavy cat" "funkiness" 
"up-tightness" and even the f-bomb.


I read the introduction aloud to my mother (who was a 31 year old 
tailor/seamstress in 1971 but definitely in the Channel and Pearls camp 
rather than the counter-culture group) and we both thought it was hilarious. 
We both noted that in just a few more decades most people won't be able to 
correctly interpret such phrases as "he was a fairly heavy cat"  lol!  My 
mother also reminded me of several older-than-me friends of the family I had 
admired growing up who were into making mu'umu'u from flowered bed sheets, 
and using wildly contrasting fabric to insert large wedges into the pant's 
legs of their jeans. (I was, of course, forbidden to do any such thing!)


Will there someday be reinactment groups for the late 60s to 70s?  :-)  This 
book may prove to be a valuable reference!


Denise B
Iowa
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Re: [h-cost] 15th c sewing technique

[Purple Kat]

Buttons on the edge ---  sounds like the extant dress that either Kass
McGann or   -- saw and
reproduced. The dress was either Irish or Scottish in origin.

It sticks in my head because the extant dress was *almost* the ladies exact
size.

Katheryne


On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:37 PM,  wrote:

> Buttons along the edge: that sounds familiar. I feel I've seen a photo of
> that...maybe in "Textiles and clothing, c.1150-c.1450" (Crowfoot. et al)
> cited
> by Catherine earlier? It's been a while since I did any research related to
> that
> time period, but "buttons along the edge" triggered an image of an extant
> find
> in my muddled brain.
>
> Claudine
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Re: [h-cost] 15th c sewing technique

[cw15147-hcost01]

Buttons along the edge: that sounds familiar. I feel I've seen a photo of 
that...maybe in "Textiles and clothing, c.1150-c.1450" (Crowfoot. et al) cited 
by Catherine earlier? It's been a while since I did any research related to 
that 
time period, but "buttons along the edge" triggered an image of an extant find 
in my muddled brain.



Claudine



- Original Message 
> From: otsisto 
> To: Historical Costume 
> Sent: Sun, February 13, 2011 11:26:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 15th c sewing technique
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> he kirtle evidence sounds  interesting.  Do you remember which list you
> saw it on?  (I'd love  to check back to find the source.)
> --
> Cathy Raymond
> ca...@thyrsus.com
> 
> This would have  been about 6-8 years ago. I am not sure which list. I was
> going to say 12th  century yahoo list but I was only on that list for two
> years. Might have been  the SCA garb list. I remember that the kirtle had
> portions missing but it did  have some of the buttons still attached which is
> why I remember it. The  buttons were not sewn onto the front of the kirtle
> fabric but along the  edge.
> I usually gather info for myself, I usually don't think to record it as  I
> think that most here already know most of the things I come across. It  is
> very rare that I know of something that others do  not.
> De
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Re: [h-cost] Exhibition of English wedding dresses since 1780

[penny1a]

Linda,

I couldn't get the link to show the photos.

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