[h-cost] Carol Burnett's Curtain Dress

[penny1a]

Carol Burnett's Gone with the Wind curtain dress at the Smithsonian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Curtain_Dress.JPG

 

Video of the costume designer, Bob Mackie, talking about designing the
curtain dress:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSSTZd-0I2k

&NR=1&feature=fvwp 

 

For those who have never seen the Carol Burnett's entire parody of GWTW here
it is two parts.  I hadn't seen the entire skit since it originally aired in
1976.  I love when she falls down the stairs in the hoops.

Part 1: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH6TBEbP77Q

&feature=related

 

Part 2: (with the curtain dress)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nt0yi4wbro

&feature=related 

 

Penny Ladnier, owner

The Costume Gallery Websites

  www.costumegallery.com

15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history

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Re: [h-cost] Cameras for photographing costumes in poor light?

[penny1a]

Oh Andy...I am still in mourning over the death of my Panasonic Lumix.  My
husband still has his but won't let me touch it.  

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Re: [h-cost] Cameras for photographing costumes in poor light?

[penny1a]

My tripod suggest...make sure it is lightweight for travel.  Some can add
pounds to your luggage and put it overweight...OUCH!  That hurts the
pocketbook!.

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Re: [h-cost] Farthingale

[Audrey Bergeron-Morin]

Then match this side; the other one should be fine.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Sharon Collier wrote:

> There are only notches on one side of the side pieces. I'm going to go by
> the way it shows in the instructions; hope it works!
> Sharon
>
>
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Re: [h-cost] Cameras for photographing costumes in poor light?

[Andrew T Trembley]

On 5/19/2011 5:02 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden wrote:

http://dicksmith.com.au/product/XG6600/olympus-sp-600-ultra-zoom-digital-cameraand


Oooh. Bad choice. "Superzoom" cameras tend to have sensors smaller than 
your pinky-nail, and small sensors mean lots of noise (speckles) in your 
pictures.


If you want something really flexible, the Olympus EP-L1 or EP-2 are 
going to cost more than the SP-600 but the sensor is big and the quality 
in low light is good. The Panasonic G-series is also a good choice (and 
supports the same lenses), and the Panasonic Lumix DMC-GF1 is very 
compact. If I wasn't already invested in Nikon equipment, I would 
seriously consider the Olympus EP-2 or the Panasonic GF1 instead of a 
digital SLR.


If you want small, the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5 has a big sensor and a 
fast lens in a pocket size. The Canon Powershot S95 and the Canon 
Powershot G12 also both have excellent reputations as pro-quality 
cameras in pocket-size bodies. I haven't upgraded my pocket camera, but 
if I was going to it would be one of these models.


And, yes, those are the Australian model names and numbers, they're the 
same as the US names and numbers.


andy
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Re: [h-cost] Cameras for photographing costumes in poor light?

[Cin]

Aylwen,
If you get a tripod or monopod, also pickup the quickmount.  If you
have impatient boys, you'll be glad for the easier time breaking down
your setup.  Sunpak makes a super lightweight tripod that's easy to
put up & take down.  I dragged it all over Tanzania last year.  It
held up very, very well in an adverse environment (camping, a dusty
savanna & lots of bouncy roads) & should be a dream in nice, clean,
safe museums.
Spare rechargable batteries, too.
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
cinbar...@gmail.com



On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Cin  wrote:
> Aylwen,

> * Add the tripod (good call, Claudine) and do it all again.
> --cin
> Cynthia Barnes
> cinbar...@gmail.com
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Re: [h-cost] Cameras for photographing costumes in poor light?

[Cin]

Aylwen,
I see what you're looking at now. My recommendation: Take several
costume pieces to the camera store with you (various textures & hue
densities). Take your laptop, too.  Have the sales person setup the
lighting situation(s) you'll be in.  Run lots of experiments, perhaps
some like these:
* Set your camera to ISO 1600, shutter priority & shoot your costumes
from various distances.
* Switch to "indoor" mode & shoot.
* Switch to "night + portrait" and shoot a bunch more.
* Noodle around with the white balance.
* Shoot thru glass, if you can, to simulate museum cases.
* Turn the image stab on & off & see how things change when you shoot
your costumes from various distances.
* Add the tripod (good call, Claudine) and do it all again.
* Try macro, if there is one...  tho I dont see it listed on the features page.
* Ask what setup the salesperson recommends now that s/he knows what
you're up to.

Down load everything to your computer & check the result on the bigger
screen.  Your computer will have much better color depth than the tiny
screen. See if you like the results and see if you have all the right
accessories (like the SDHC adapter) to dnld pics to your computer.

Having done that, see what else the shop recommends given your
interests and your price point.
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
cinbar...@gmail.com



On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden
 wrote:
> Sorry about the link - I've shortened it to http://tinyurl.com/3nqxqf9
> I have access to costume collections overseas that I can photograph without
> a flash. I prefer Olympus so was looking at this one
> http://dicksmith.com.au/product/XG6600/olympus-sp-600-ultra-zoom-digital-cameraand
> wondering if it would work.
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Re: [h-cost] Cameras for photographing costumes in poor light?

[cw15147-hcost01]

Everything Cin said, to which I add: get a tripod. Even a little desktop one 
will do loads for improving low-light photography.



Claudine
(I don't speak photog, but know what it looks like.)




- Original Message 
> From: Cin 
> To: Historical Costume 
> Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 4:56:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cameras for photographing costumes in poor light?
> 
> Aylwen,
> That URL was too long, I guess. I got page not found error.  I  know a
> little about cameras, but I cannot tell what Olympus camera  you're
> looking at.  My previous digital SLR camera was Olympus, so I do  have
> a soft spot for the camera line. I'm going to assume you're  talking
> about SLRs not "point & shoot" cameras for casual  users.
>...
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Re: [h-cost] Cameras for photographing costumes in poor light?

[Cin]

Aylwen,
That URL was too long, I guess. I got page not found error.  I know a
little about cameras, but I cannot tell what Olympus camera you're
looking at.  My previous digital SLR camera was Olympus, so I do have
a soft spot for the camera line. I'm going to assume you're talking
about SLRs not "point & shoot" cameras for casual users.

"Poor light" means something very different to cameras & to people.
Typical indoor office lighting is poor because the color is
disturbingly green or blue.  Romantic restaurant lighting is generally
too dim unless you're willing to be close, use a tripod, and have your
subjects be very still.  Doesnt make for charming candid shots.

Other solutions to dealing w/ poor lighting require tossing piles of
money at technical solutions such as fast prime lenses that can shoot
at f2.8 or even f1.4. Another is to use image stabilized bodies &
lenses to get an effective 2 f-stops. I use both. Pro lines of lenses
& multipliers will get you clearer shots for a price, sometimes a
shockingly high price.

If your true objection to flash photography is that it looks harsh or
creates ugly "Hiroshima shadows" around the subject, then consider
improving your flash setup.  The technique of bounce flash is one
solution (and it's free). Another is adding a diffuser onto your
existing flash (US$25 or less). Both soften the flash lighting.

I'm shooting a Canon EOS Rebel.  I cannot help w/ current Olympus
gear.  I have borrowed a friend's 100mm Pro, image stabilized, AF lens
for the weekend for an indoor, commercially lit costume event.  Will
let you know how it comes out.

Arent you going to Boston &/or NYC this trip?  If you're heading into
Manhattan, try B&H Camera.  It's an institution.
--cin
Cynthia Barnes
cinbar...@gmail.com



On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden
 wrote:
> I'm hoping to get an Olympus camera - the range I'm looking at is at
> http://dicksmith.com.au/dsau/navigation/navigation_r
> esults.jsp?params=omitxmldecl%3Dyes%26fh_maxdisplayn
> rvalues_brand%3D-1%26fh_refview%3Dlister%26fh_reffacet%3Dbrand%26fh
> _refpath%3Dfacet_9%26fh_location%3D%252f%252fcatalog
> 01%252fen_AU%252fcategories%253c%257bcatalog01_25343
> 74302025483%257d%252fbrand%253dolympus%26fh_eds%3D%25c3%259f&reset=false and
> I'm looking for one that will take really good photos of costumes in poor
> light without a flash. Do you think any of these will work?
> Or is there a different camera that would be better that I can buy from this
> store? This is the closest one I can get to at this stage.
> Cheers,
> Aylwen
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[h-cost] Fluting Machine

[Aylwen Gardiner-Garden]

Does anyone know how a fluting machine was used?
There was one on ebay at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&view=all&item=280676322419&tid=0

Many thanks,
Aylwen
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Re: [h-cost] Farthingale

[Sharon Collier]

There are only notches on one side of the side pieces. I'm going to go by
the way it shows in the instructions; hope it works!
Sharon 

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:31 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Farthingale

Be careful to match the notches on the sides. The pieces are easy to reverse
and then you end up with an oval farthingale instead of a round one. Match
the notches and you'll be fine :-)

Mine was a size 2 and it came out SUPER long. I had to take off at least 12
inches, and I'm not particularly short.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Sharon Collier
wrote:

> So I am going to make a new farthingale. I'm intending to use Margo 
> Anderson's Underpinnings pattern. Any ideas/problems/things to watch 
> out for before I begin? Sizing issues, etc.?
> Sharon C.
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Re: [h-cost] Farthingale

[Audrey Bergeron-Morin]

Be careful to match the notches on the sides. The pieces are easy to reverse
and then you end up with an oval farthingale instead of a round one. Match
the notches and you'll be fine :-)

Mine was a size 2 and it came out SUPER long. I had to take off at least 12
inches, and I'm not particularly short.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Sharon Collier wrote:

> So I am going to make a new farthingale. I'm intending to use Margo
> Anderson's Underpinnings pattern. Any ideas/problems/things to watch out
> for
> before I begin? Sizing issues, etc.?
> Sharon C.
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[h-cost] Cameras for photographing costumes in poor light?

[Aylwen Gardiner-Garden]

I'm hoping to get an Olympus camera - the range I'm looking at is at
http://dicksmith.com.au/dsau/navigation/navigation_r
esults.jsp?params=omitxmldecl%3Dyes%26fh_maxdisplayn
rvalues_brand%3D-1%26fh_refview%3Dlister%26fh_reffacet%3Dbrand%26fh
_refpath%3Dfacet_9%26fh_location%3D%252f%252fcatalog
01%252fen_AU%252fcategories%253c%257bcatalog01_25343
74302025483%257d%252fbrand%253dolympus%26fh_eds%3D%25c3%259f&reset=false and
I'm looking for one that will take really good photos of costumes in poor
light without a flash. Do you think any of these will work?
Or is there a different camera that would be better that I can buy from this
store? This is the closest one I can get to at this stage.
Cheers,
Aylwen
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Re: [h-cost] Latex backed fabric question

[ShaShalott]

But I do plan on lining the whole thing. Wouldn't that work? Or should I  
iron on a light interfacing to replace the latex backing?
 
Chris Perri 
 
 
 
In a message dated 5/18/2011 10:26:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
ro...@netherton.net writes:

On  5/18/2011 9:55 PM, Judy Mitchell wrote:
> It's likely the acetone in the  nail polish that's doing it. You can buy
> straight acetone at wig  stores & probably beauty supply places. It's 
still
> likely to be a  PitA to wipe down that much fabric though, but at least 
you
> wouldn't  be using a teensy brush.

My experience with those fabrics, though, is  that they don't hold up well 
after the backing is gone; they were never  intended to be durable without 
the  
backing.

--Robin
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Re: [h-cost] Farthingale

[Cin]

Yes, you're taller than the pattern, IIRC.  Get that engineer you live
w/ to help you redraft it to your proportions.  I really disagreed w/
the sizing when I was building it for rather small creature that is
me.
It's pretty much based on Alcega, so if you want something different
than that, like a crazy 1580s superwide Elizabethan, then you're going
to be redesigning anyway.
--cin

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Sharon Collier  wrote:
> So I am going to make a new farthingale. I'm intending to use Margo
> Anderson's Underpinnings pattern. Any ideas/problems/things to watch out for
> before I begin? Sizing issues, etc.?
> Sharon C.
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[h-cost] Farthingale

[Sharon Collier]

So I am going to make a new farthingale. I'm intending to use Margo
Anderson's Underpinnings pattern. Any ideas/problems/things to watch out for
before I begin? Sizing issues, etc.?
Sharon C.
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Re: [h-cost] the tambour embroidered regency dress i made last year

[Paul and Charlene]

Bjarne,

> I had to painstakely sit and embroider 
every single day, also even when i got home from my real job 

Given your talent, it somehow does not seem fair that you are not doing your 
craft full time but out there sluggin' at a full time job and coming home tired 
to work at your passion.  But as they say, whoever said life had to be fair.

I have a frame but like the one you have MUCH better.  I was going to ask you 
where you got it.  It looks period enough to use at reenactments and mine looks 
too modern.

>dress is a cotton voille and 
its  sheer and it helps that you can see trough the fabric as a beginner

The course I took on tamboured lier lace with Greet Rome-Verbeylen  was done on 
cotton net which you can easily see through. It doesn't snag as much as fabric 
but I am more interested in doing it on fabric for use with costume and 
accessories for the regency period.

>it took me about 10 days till i finally had the right twist to 
make tambour, you must remember i was desperate 

There is nothing like pressure and deadlines and desperation to force one to 
achieve.

Once again Bjarne, thanks to you I am inspired to try again.

I love seeing your work and miss the old web sight where I would often go for 
eye candy and inspiration.  Glad to see that you have some new things posted 
now.

Many thanks for chiming in.

Charlene Roberts
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Re: [h-cost] the tambour embroidered regency dress i made last year

[Paul and Charlene]

Laurie,

The link to tambour bead embroidery was great and many thanks for other 
suggestions.  Am off to check my back issues of Threads to see if I hopefully 
have some of the articles

Charlene Roberts
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Re: [h-cost] Latex backed fabric question

[Bambi TBNL]

Ii have actually experienced rubber backed upholster fabric 2x on a project. 
The first time i was trying to make a gaement with it and it ws nor hanging 
right w/o softening up. It wennt in the dryr wi an old sneaaker and the backing 
kind of crumblrd off as the farbric shrank a little.i could then finish the job 
with my hands. The second was a pavillion i elped domeone make whic lasted 
about 5 sumers of rai an sun damage before it died.
-Original Message-
Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:26:04 pm
To: "Historical Costume" 
From: "Robin Netherton" 
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Latex backed fabric question

On 5/18/2011 9:55 PM, Judy Mitchell wrote:
> It's likely the acetone in the nail polish that's doing it. You can buy
> straight acetone at wig stores & probably beauty supply places. It's still
> likely to be a PitA to wipe down that much fabric though, but at least you
> wouldn't be using a teensy brush.

My experience with those fabrics, though, is that they don't hold up well 
after the backing is gone; they were never intended to be durable without the 
backing.

--Robin
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