Re: [h-cost] 1919 hairstyle
(delurking) It strikes me as looking out of place, too. I found a scrapbook from 1917 in a thrift store once. The book was just FULL of film star photos. You can see some of them here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/litlnemo/sets/72157615210203836/ For the most part when hair is shown loose and long it is curled. Side parts and bangs also seem particularly common. In the photos here her hair seems really almost unstyled at all! http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tv/posts/Peaky-Blinders-Fighting-to-play-Grace In the bottom photo it almost looks like they tried to curl it, but the details just don't look period to me. That long hair with a center part with no fringe and no curls just doesn't show up in my 1917 pics -- I don't think 1919 was that much different, but I suppose it could have been. W Kate Bunting wrote: Another TV costume drama question... In the current BBC series "Peaky Blinders" (about a criminal gang in Birmingham post-WW1) a prominent female character wears her shoulder-length hair loose. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01fj945 This looks far too modern to me. Before short styles came in in the '20s, wouldn't women have put their hair up? Kate Bunting Retired librarian& 17th century reenactor ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Wendi Dunlap | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us ~~"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"~~ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question
On 3/15/09 9:32 AM, Becky Rautine wrote: What a collection of photos. I wonder who the twin ladies are. I wonder too. They don't seem to be any of the most famous sisters or twins I know of in films of that era like Norma and Constance Talmadge, etc. But my facial recognition abilities are so poor that I might miss an obvious identification. I have been going through and trying to identify people in the pictures when possible, but any identifications would be welcome! Just last night I was able to identify several, and find other copies of some of these photos on the Web. But there are many people there that can't be identified. One sad thing is that many of these actors pictured have very few or no surviving films left to watch. The majority of films from that era have not survived, I think. I am glad people enjoyed the scrapbook! It really does have some nice images of circa-1916 fashion. On 3/15/09 11:12 AM, albert...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/15/2009 12:33:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, zearti...@hotmail.com writes: I love the dragonfly/dancers That might be Anna Pavlova. I think it may be -- there is another clipping loose in the book of a dancer in the same costume, labeled as Pavlova. W -- *---+---+--* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question
On 3/14/09 6:22 AM, Wendi Dunlap wrote: You might also enjoy the photo collection I've posted at http://www.flickr.com/photos/litlnemo/sets/72157615210203836/ . I just thought of another thing I have that might be helpful: http://slumberland.org/vintage_kitchen/kitchenimages.html It's actually a collection of images of kitchens, intended to include images from 1905-1925, but so far most of the images are 1917-1920, and some of them do include women in period clothing and might be useful. Of course, they are all American, but still might give some insight. For some reason I seem to be collecting stuff from the 1910s lately. :) W -- *---+---+--* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question
On 3/13/09 1:29 PM, Elena House wrote: To get the imagery down, you might have fun at: http://www.silentladies.com/Ladies.html It's not terribly easy to find people there by date, but there were plenty of stars (such as Mary Pickford, Lillian& Dorothy Gish, Blanche Sweet, Florence Lawrence, Mabel Normand, Alice Joyce, Clara Kimball Young, Pearl White, and more) who are on here that were already famous 1914-18. By the way, Lucile (Lady Duff Gordon) was a very popular film costume designer at the time. Delurking... You might also enjoy the photo collection I've posted at http://www.flickr.com/photos/litlnemo/sets/72157615210203836/ . It's all from a scrapbook I found at Goodwill a couple of months ago. The scrapbook appears to have been compiled around 1916, and it's full of photos of movie stars of the time (and also a few dancers and stage actors). There are some amazing clothes in there. I put some of the images online, but there are *hundreds* of them in the scrapbook. The scrapbook-keeper collected an outrageous amount of clippings, glued some into the book, and then just stuffed the rest in. It's quite amazing. (I think it's probably the best thing I've ever found at Goodwill -- and it was only $12.99! Now I just have to figure out the best way to preserve it.) There are some great WWI-era details in the photos. I seriously want to make clothing from that period now. W -- *---+-------+--* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Quick change artists
Robin Netherton wrote: Absolutely amazing. I think -- after replaying multiple times -- that the green one unfolds from the shoulders into the blue one, but I can't figure out the rest of them, and even with unfolding, I can't imagine how you could fit more than two or three in any one garment. http://home.comcast.net/~x.watermist/Non.html explains how it works. It's very cool, even if you know the secret. :) W -- *---+---+--* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Knitted Cleaves ?
Saragrace Knauf wrote: > http://www.etsy.com/alchemy/request.php?id=9092 > > Anyone know what the origin of the name of this thing is? Cool site btw for > handmade items. If you follow the link to knitty.com given on that etsy page, you can read the designer's statement: "I decided to call this design cleaves because it's a combination of a cowl and sleeves, and it covers my cleavage!" W -- *---+-------+--* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
Lavolta Press wrote: As for pictures, not only are they usually complete in themselves, bear in mind that under US law (I understand that the laws of some foreign countries are different, but do not know the details for each country) photographs of paintings and other works of art have their own copyrights, indepedent of the copyright status of the work of art itself. Suppose a Renaissance painting is in an American museum, and the museum photographs it. They can, and often do, charge for the use of that photo. If a different photographer photographs it someday, that photo has its own, different copyright. Not as black and white as all that anymore -- see Bridgeman v. Corel, as I mentioned yesterday. It is possible that such exact photographs of public domain works are no longer copyrightable in the US unless there is some additional creative content. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel_Corp. for a relatively accessible explanation of this. But as it mentions, "it has yet to be cited by any appellate-level circuit court"; it's not *officially* the law of the land yet. This does mean, however, if you copy an exact photograph of a Renaissance painting for your SCA Renaissance costuming class, you are probably going to be OK -- in the US. Probably. But not certainly. Anything can happen, and at some point, this might be tested at the Supreme Court level, and it could be you who gets sued in the process. But Bridgeman v. Corel at least means (to me, anyway) that you can use those types of images in the US with a clear conscience, as the original works are public domain, and the photographs themselves are probably not copyrightable based on Bridgeman v Corel. (The sad thing is, even if you are in the right, you can still get sued, and it can still cost you a lot of money. But that is up to each of us to decide whether to take that risk, I guess.) W (For what it's worth, I think this decision is correct; once works are in the public domain, an owner of the physical work should not be able to de facto "re-copyright" them, as many museums have essentially attempted to do. I know they get income from it, but "hijacking the public domain" is unethical, and in a way contrary to the general mission of most museums. But that is just my opinion.) *---+-------+--* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume photos
Robin Netherton wrote: Closer to the point here: I use slides of artwork in my lectures, as many as 100 in a single lecture. Some come from books. Some come from the artwork itself; of the latter, some of the photos were taken under explicit agreements with the owning libraries/museums regarding how I would use the images (e.g. research and teaching, but not publication or distribution). My use is legal; if I disseminated the images, it would not be. When I have used images in my published papers, I have paid for reproduction permission. On the other hand, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel_Corp. -- it's not so clear that museums can always restrict your use of the artwork they own. Of course, if you have made an agreement with them, it's ethical to honor it. But Bridgeman v. Corel indicates that such agreements aren't always necessary. Then again, if you want to maintain a good working relationship with the museums... *sigh* W -- *---+---+--* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear/ / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"* ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
