Re: [h-cost] Another leine question

[Kimiko Small]

As some have already commented, there is very little
info on what the Irish women wore (even far less on
what the Scottish highland/island women wore). Kass'
info is about the most well researched, and there are
other sites out there with more info as well, along
with a couple of books that pretty much hold the info
that is known about Irish dress in the 16th century;
Dress in Ireland, and one other whose long title
escapes me right now (it is in the linked page given
below).

When you get into making Irish garb for this time
frame, or earlier, it really is hit or miss, mostly
miss, as there is so very little info to know for
certain how accurate the garb will be. Even the
woodcuts I based a male friend's bard outfit on can be
documented, but those woodcuts are under suspicion as
to how accurate they might be, since they look so very
different than anyone else' images of the Irish (an
issue Kass and I went round on some years ago on this
list).
If you are interested in an alternate style of Irish
for men, here's my take on it.
http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/irishbard/index.html
Note that the shorter sleeves was a request from my
friend, and definitely not documented. He later
regretted the shorter sleeve. As to how accurate,...
well only a time traveller or future evidence might
show the truth. But it was a good exploration.

Kimiko


--- Sharon Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> some gorgeous saffron linen here that I really want
> to make into a leine,
> but I'd like it to be as correct as possible.
> 
> Cheers,
> Meli



 

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RE: [h-cost] Another leine question

[otsisto]

This is not Irish but perhaps may have been similar
 http://festiveattyre.com/research/wkclass/portfolio.html

http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/library/extcam4.htm


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Re: [h-cost] Another leine question

[Sharon L. Krossa]

At 1:38 PM -0400 7/9/07, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote:

At 12:58 PM 7/9/2007, you wrote:

I've also seen
them with drawstrings alone in the same area--both make a very pretty
presentation, but I'm wondering if they are documentable in period?  I have
some gorgeous saffron linen here that I really want to make into a leine,
but I'd like it to be as correct as possible.


Drawstring sleeve leines are a Ren Faire invention. Pretty, but not accurate.


Likewise, pleating along the sleeves is a modern invention, based on 
the drawstring sleeves.


Sharon
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RE: [h-cost] Another leine question

[Maureen Conklin]

According to Kass McGann at reconstructinghistory.com,
there's no evidence that pleating on the léine
included pleating on the top of the sleeve. The
ones I've seen done that way are very pretty,
though. It's hard to tell from the artwork, I guess,
because the women are shown with some sort
of oversleeve, either a regular wrist-length sleeve,
or a "hanging sleeve" that's open at the bottom
seam and fastened around the wrist; both kinds
of sleeve hide the top of the léine's sleeves.

So, this is part of the reason I'm stumped on
the sleeves: the artwork just doesn't show
enough of women's léinte for me to figure
out how the heck the sleeves end at the wrist.
The men's are easier because there are a
few examples from period illustrations showing
them from shoulder to wrist (or forearm,
more precisely). The Irish living history forum
has quite a bit of debate on men's léinte, but
nothing on women's.

I got a wonderful email off-list from one lady
who says she left her sleeves full, with no
gathering or cuff at the wrist.

One poster on the Irish site put it perfectly:
"I think the appropriate response to anything cocerning the leine is ARGH!"

:)

~ M.
"I have an additional Leine question: on some of these sites, the sleeves 
are

pleated all the way up the arm--sometimes covered with trim.  I've also seen
them with drawstrings alone in the same area--both make a very pretty
presentation, but I'm wondering if they are documentable in period?  I have
some gorgeous saffron linen here that I really want to make into a leine,
but I'd like it to be as correct as possible."

==
~ Twinkle, dammit! ~


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Re: [h-cost] Another leine question

[Dianne & Greg Stucki]

At 12:58 PM 7/9/2007, you wrote:

I've also seen
them with drawstrings alone in the same area--both make a very pretty
presentation, but I'm wondering if they are documentable in period?  I have
some gorgeous saffron linen here that I really want to make into a leine,
but I'd like it to be as correct as possible.



Drawstring sleeve leines are a Ren Faire invention. Pretty, but not accurate.

Dianne


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[h-cost] Another leine question

[Sharon Henderson]

I have an additional Leine question: on some of these sites, the sleeves are
pleated all the way up the arm--sometimes covered with trim.  I've also seen
them with drawstrings alone in the same area--both make a very pretty
presentation, but I'm wondering if they are documentable in period?  I have
some gorgeous saffron linen here that I really want to make into a leine,
but I'd like it to be as correct as possible.

Cheers,
Meli

On 7/9/07, Maureen and Saragrace commented:



Kind of depends on what you are doing this for.  Scottish, Irish?  How
accurate are you trying to be?   Also, there is no absolute evidence for how
they were made

There are several decent starting summaries online, but depending on what
you are doing this for, you may want to do your own research.

Here are a few.

http://www.kelthaven.org/leine/ 
http://www.albanach.org/leine.html< http://www.albanach.org/leine.html>

Sg

  - Original Message -

  Hi everyone,

  I'm making my first attempt at 16th century Irish dress. Can anyone tell
me
  how big the wrist openings on a leine are supposed to be? I don't want
to do
  the phony drawstring-on-top sleeves, but I'd like to be able to roll
them up if I
  need to (it's a hot-weather event). Is a drawstring at the wrist opening
acceptable?
  Thanks.

  ~ M.



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