Re: [h-cost] bifurcated garments
I'm starting to wonder if our ancestors found the idea of women in pants as shocking as we think they did. I keep finding examples of women wearing them in the 19th century. The bloomer costume as reform dress, the bathing costumes, women in camping and hiking situations, women on the westward trek, female mine workers in Wales and other parts of Europe, utopian societies, fishwives in England and female acrobatic performers. I have a feeling the more people dig the more we will find out that there were just certain situations where no one found it out of place to see a woman in pants. I will grant you that in none of these cases are the women putting on a pair of men's pants. They are wearing pants with a unique style and construction. Maggie Koenig Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com wrote: I was astounded to learn that my very proper great-great grandmother and her daughters wore bifurcated garments on the Oregon Trail-- in 1852, very soon after Amelia Bloomer was named as their creator. One of the older daughters wrote about their experience and how the garments made walking the trail much easier than it would have been in skirts. The stuff of family legend. I suspect G-g-grandmother's prior pioneering experience influenced her to make a radical fashion choice for Oregon. In 1836 she and her husband had floated down the Allegheny on a raft; she mentions having to traipse around a portage through weeds and wet with wind, and how her skirts switched between her ankles, making walking almost impossible. G-g-grandmother was the wife of a preacher and Presbyterian missionary- I was amazed that such a character would make use of what was then rather a controversial garment. Perhaps she thought nobody she knew would see her! -- they and their large family had two wagons and did not join a train. == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= http://3toad.blogspot.com/ Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] bifurcated garments
I have pictures (somewhere) of my great-grandmother working on the farm in pants. I also seem to remember that when my grandmother was very small and left out to herd the sheep, that she wore boy's clothes. I, of course, was more shocked to learn that an eight-year-old would be left alone all day with the sheep, the dog and a rifle. Carmen On 3/22/2013 1:37 AM, Maggie Koenig wrote: I'm starting to wonder if our ancestors found the idea of women in pants as shocking as we think they did. I keep finding examples of women wearing them in the 19th century. The bloomer costume as reform dress, the bathing costumes, women in camping and hiking situations, women on the westward trek, female mine workers in Wales and other parts of Europe, utopian societies, fishwives in England and female acrobatic performers. I have a feeling the more people dig the more we will find out that there were just certain situations where no one found it out of place to see a woman in pants. I will grant you that in none of these cases are the women putting on a pair of men's pants. They are wearing pants with a unique style and construction. Maggie Koenig Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com wrote: I was astounded to learn that my very proper great-great grandmother and her daughters wore bifurcated garments on the Oregon Trail-- in 1852, very soon after Amelia Bloomer was named as their creator. One of the older daughters wrote about their experience and how the garments made walking the trail much easier than it would have been in skirts. The stuff of family legend. I suspect G-g-grandmother's prior pioneering experience influenced her to make a radical fashion choice for Oregon. In 1836 she and her husband had floated down the Allegheny on a raft; she mentions having to traipse around a portage through weeds and wet with wind, and how her skirts switched between her ankles, making walking almost impossible. G-g-grandmother was the wife of a preacher and Presbyterian missionary- I was amazed that such a character would make use of what was then rather a controversial garment. Perhaps she thought nobody she knew would see her! -- they and their large family had two wagons and did not join a train. == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= http://3toad.blogspot.com/ Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] bifurcated garments
I agree, Maggie, if my conservative proper ancestors wore'em so early. . . Perhaps the shocking aspect we hear so much about in fashion history texts was when *fashionable* women wore them! Perhaps little worn by the anonymous classes was considered shocking: only in the upper and wanna-be classes. == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= http://3toad.blogspot.com/ Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW On Mar 22, 2013, at 1:37 AM, Maggie Koenig wrote: I'm starting to wonder if our ancestors found the idea of women in pants as shocking as we think they did. I keep finding examples of women wearing them in the 19th century. The bloomer costume as reform dress, the bathing costumes, women in camping and hiking situations, women on the westward trek, female mine workers in Wales and other parts of Europe, utopian societies, fishwives in England and female acrobatic performers. I have a feeling the more people dig the more we will find out that there were just certain situations where no one found it out of place to see a woman in pants. I will grant you that in none of these cases are the women putting on a pair of men's pants. They are wearing pants with a unique style and construction. Maggie Koenig Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com wrote: I was astounded to learn that my very proper great-great grandmother and her daughters wore bifurcated garments on the Oregon Trail-- in 1852, very soon after Amelia Bloomer was named as their creator. One of the older daughters wrote about their experience and how the garments made walking the trail much easier than it would have been in skirts. The stuff of family legend. I suspect G-g-grandmother's prior pioneering experience influenced her to make a radical fashion choice for Oregon. In 1836 she and her husband had floated down the Allegheny on a raft; she mentions having to traipse around a portage through weeds and wet with wind, and how her skirts switched between her ankles, making walking almost impossible. G-g-grandmother was the wife of a preacher and Presbyterian missionary- I was amazed that such a character would make use of what was then rather a controversial garment. Perhaps she thought nobody she knew would see her! -- they and their large family had two wagons and did not join a train. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] bifurcated garments
I was astounded to learn that my very proper great-great grandmother and her daughters wore bifurcated garments on the Oregon Trail-- in 1852, very soon after Amelia Bloomer was named as their creator. One of the older daughters wrote about their experience and how the garments made walking the trail much easier than it would have been in skirts. The stuff of family legend. I suspect G-g-grandmother's prior pioneering experience influenced her to make a radical fashion choice for Oregon. In 1836 she and her husband had floated down the Allegheny on a raft; she mentions having to traipse around a portage through weeds and wet with wind, and how her skirts switched between her ankles, making walking almost impossible. G-g-grandmother was the wife of a preacher and Presbyterian missionary- I was amazed that such a character would make use of what was then rather a controversial garment. Perhaps she thought nobody she knew would see her! -- they and their large family had two wagons and did not join a train. == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= http://3toad.blogspot.com/ Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
