Re: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress
In a message dated 7/26/2006 2:32:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even on a budget, they could have done far better. *** Indeed. The entire show revolved and was mostly taken up with lousy reenactments. If you don't have the money for reenactments, don't depend on them so heavily. I mean, Ken Burns did 15 episodes covering the entire Am. Civil War without a single reenactment! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress
I thought the pattern was a rendition of the wedding dress and realized that it is the golden dress from PoC1 that they are trying to mimic. pattern 4092 http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?cat=4&type=19&sec=45&startrow=1 Golden gown http://www.willofasparrow.com/files/escstm.html# by the way Simplicity has new pattern out. One is there rendition of Regency style dress. McCall's has some new ones too. De -Original Message- For Pirates of the Carribean 2, Simplicity Patterns has a rough approximation of Keira Knightly's wedding dress Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress
My 10 year old daughter caught on of the actors wearing wire rimmed glasses. I couldn't finish the show because of being so bad. Even on a budget, they could have done far better. At least they could have chosen one time period to portray. Ouch! Althea On Jul 26, 2006, at 7:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/26/2006 12:20:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I saw on the History Channel their show of "REAL Pirates of the Caribbean". The info was all very interesting but the costumes in the rather extensive re-enactments were more than pitiful! High School theatre departments could have done better! Althea Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress
Yes, the costumes were laughable, but the History Channel is on a budget, especially costume-wise. I caught a making-of...some Am Revolution series I think, and they do these shows or series on really small budgets and timeframes. When they are doing American Revolution or American Civil War they can get reinactors for troops to do it for free practically, so what you see for troops and background people is often more authentic garb and gear-wise than the front and center actors. For Pirates of the Carribean 2, Simplicity Patterns has a rough approximation of Keira Knightly's wedding dress and a Marie Antoinette gown in one of their "Fall Preview" patterns. Definitely for those that need a fairly quick costume to go as the female leads in PoC or upcoming Marie Antoinette film. Awaiting Martha McCain's rumoured 18th patterns for Simplicity. Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress
Yes, I had to stop watching and only listen to that episode. It was rather rough on a costumer's sensibilities. I have been involved in a documentary piece "In the Village" by Nexus Productions where I was listed (and paid) as the head of wardrobe, but in actual fact I only had control over the costumes of the principals because the 'volunteers' and extras brought their own gear. I did my very best to influence the extras in their choices but did not always succeed. Sarah Paterson - Original Message - And speaking of. I saw on the History Channel their show of "REAL Pirates of the Caribbean". The info was all very interesting but the costumes in the rather extensive re-enactments were more than pitiful! High School theatre departments could have done better! I mean everything from 1600s to 1700s was mixed... if you could actually put a year on any of the dreadful outfits. We had Spanish Conquistadors fighting pirates in chrome yellow brocade justicorps and white [not powdered] wigs. Then the same outfits would appear for a re-enactment of something in the next century. The British Navy of the early 18th century apparently had no uniforms...everyone on board was dressed differently. And the officers were wearing all kinds of stuff. Top it all off with the fact nothing fit. Don't EVEN get me started on Ann Bonny and Mary Read! YIKES! I don't even know where their outfits came from. Nothing...I tell you, nothing historical about them. Well, they were made of clothI think. Now, were this a fun little pirate fantasy, like the movie P's of the C, this would only be mildly annoying. But this is supposed to be the HISTORY channel. And the show was about the REAL pirates. No excuse. Iffen ya can't afford to do the re-enactments correctly, don't rest the entire show upon them! I suspected they relied on re-enactorswith no shame. But if someone got paid to costume the fiasco...oy! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress
In a message dated 7/26/2006 12:20:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: for pirate (yes, pirate) re enactors And speaking of. I saw on the History Channel their show of "REAL Pirates of the Caribbean". The info was all very interesting but the costumes in the rather extensive re-enactments were more than pitiful! High School theatre departments could have done better! I mean everything from 1600s to 1700s was mixed... if you could actually put a year on any of the dreadful outfits. We had Spanish Conquistadors fighting pirates in chrome yellow brocade justicorps and white [not powdered] wigs. Then the same outfits would appear for a re-enactment of something in the next century. The British Navy of the early 18th century apparently had no uniforms...everyone on board was dressed differently. And the officers were wearing all kinds of stuff. Top it all off with the fact nothing fit. Don't EVEN get me started on Ann Bonny and Mary Read! YIKES! I don't even know where their outfits came from. Nothing...I tell you, nothing historical about them. Well, they were made of clothI think. Now, were this a fun little pirate fantasy, like the movie P's of the C, this would only be mildly annoying. But this is supposed to be the HISTORY channel. And the show was about the REAL pirates. No excuse. Iffen ya can't afford to do the re-enactments correctly, don't rest the entire show upon them! I suspected they relied on re-enactorswith no shame. But if someone got paid to costume the fiasco...oy! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress
Thank you for this fantastic link! I have often wondered where I might find doll patterns like this. Natalie - Original Message - From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 3:13 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress I know a wonderful costumer who makes costumes for dolls according to famous movies like Star wars, LOTR, ... and also Pirates OtC! On her webpage there is a beautiful gallery of her dresses and for each of them a detailed diary with the patterns she used. Here is the gallery-page: http://www.molendrix.com/galerie1.html And here an Elisabeth Swan plum dress diary: http://molendrix.com/plum1.html Though the patterns shown are for dolls, they give a good idea about the shape of the pattern and I found many times very helpful. Alas, the pattern for the plum dress includes only the bodice and the wide sleeves, but I think the patterns for skirt and other parts of the dress are not very hard to make up:-) Zuzana - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress
I know a wonderful costumer who makes costumes for dolls according to famous movies like Star wars, LOTR, ... and also Pirates OtC! On her webpage there is a beautiful gallery of her dresses and for each of them a detailed diary with the patterns she used. Here is the gallery-page: http://www.molendrix.com/galerie1.html And here an Elisabeth Swan plum dress diary: http://molendrix.com/plum1.html Though the patterns shown are for dolls, they give a good idea about the shape of the pattern and I found many times very helpful. Alas, the pattern for the plum dress includes only the bodice and the wide sleeves, but I think the patterns for skirt and other parts of the dress are not very hard to make up:-) Zuzana - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress
I found two pirate costuming retailers on this site. http://www.captjackspiratehats.com/links/ They seem to have a clue about men's wear but only a vague notion for women's. -Original Message- Google for "No Quarter Given" That's a magazine (and I think the name of the website too) for pirate (yes, pirate) reenactors. -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 5:00 pm, E House wrote: > Ok, so this is only quasi-semi-vaguely-barely historical. In the first > pirates movie which I haven't seen for a couple of years, the heroine whose > name I can't remember is given a dark plum dress to wear by some bad guy. I > recently saw about 5 minutes of the movie again, at which point I > remembered that I really liked that dress (especially the sleeves), and > would like to make it, historical or not. However, apart from the corsets, > I'm not really familiar with the clothing of that era (1650s or 1660sish?). Google for "No Quarter Given" That's a magazine (and I think the name of the website too) for pirate (yes, pirate) reenactors. -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress
> I'm looking to make a version of it that's heavily based on the historical > style, but which need not be absolutely accurate, since I'm doing it for > sheer pretty-dress-ness. Other than Nicole Kipar's website and the Waugh > and Arnold pattern books, can anyone point me to some resources that would > be helpful from the viewpoint of actually making this sort of dress? I > generally make my own patterns, but I'm definitely not above making use of a > good commercial pattern, if there's one out there. I think you pretty well have it covered. I found Waugh really useful, not just for the patterns but for the info about how garments were constucted and put together (especially the 18thC section.) But Hunnisett might have some more info on the putting together of the gowns (even in a modern sense.) So that might be somehtign to look for. Tarrant's book Development of Costume (I think that's the title?) might also offer more information about the insides of the garments. She does share photos of the inside of several garments, but I'm not sure about the inside of a 17thC woman's dress... I'm thinking the costume in the movie is an Hollywoodised version of the informal dress of the 1670s-80s: http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1600d.shtml http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/nym4.shtml http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1678_2.shtml http://www.marquise.de/database/dbsearch.shtml http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=1678_1&pfad=1600 http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=167x_6&pfad=1600 http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=168x_3&pfad=1600 http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=168x_5&pfad=1600 http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=167x_8&pfad=1600 http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=167x_9&pfad=1600 http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=1682_1&pfad=1600 Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/399 - Release Date: 25/07/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress
E House wrote: Other than Nicole Kipar's website and the Waugh and Arnold pattern books, can anyone point me to some resources that would be helpful from the viewpoint of actually making this sort of dress? http://www.costumersguide.com/cr_potc.shtml I might be able to dig up some more later, I did a bunch of research this spring, but I need to find my notes. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
