[h-cost] Re:[ h-cost]wedding in historical costumes -1830s mens' patterns
Barbara Maren wrote : http://www.longago.com/colonialmen.html My still-fiance has pretty much told me that what he would like is the 1790's Frock Coate' 1837 - 1890 from this page, but they are saying on their main page that they (Harper House) have just changed hands and moved and might not have all items ready for shipping. http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/Menspatterns.html seem to carry the same frock, but the e-mail even bounced. How do they think it can be from both the 1790s and 1837-90? The second website gives a more accurate date of 1790-1820. Great style, though. If I were getting married I'd love to see my bridegroom in a coat like that. Kate Bunting Librarian 17th century reenactor. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 10/10/2007 4:04:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It looks good on women, too. My wicked stepdaughter made one for me in this luscious claret and gold upholstery velvet (or it could be chenille) with gold silk facings. It looks amazing over black pants and a ruffled shirt. Right after I worked on Interview with the Vampire in NOLA, I made a bunch of 18th century shirts and some waistcoats and cut-aways, as well as half-fall breeches and jodhpurs for women for one of the girls on the crew who had a clothing shop. We thought the men's stuff look great on women and it might catch on after the film. Alas, not so. No one wanted any of it. I gave some of it to my cousin Mary who raises and rides horses. She loved it and would wear the stuff riding and at shows. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. In the 1860s, when hoops were worn, waltzes and polkas and schottisches were all danced, vigorously. I, myself, while wearing my hoopskirts, have lead other women in a full-turning waltz more than once. :) So even a modern person, who does not wear hoops very often, can waltz with little to no trouble in hoops. Hoops are a bit like lampshades, though--if you move one side down, the other is very likely to fly up. Ann in CT Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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--- LuAnn Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, absolutely. It's just interesting to trace the evolution because the crinolines that have the open fronts are so much more comfortable / wearable / danceable than the earlier hooped petticoat style. LuAnn My 'open-front' hoops have partial hoops around the opening. ccc --the layers, atop one another rather than side by side, of course. ;) They are a hooped petticoat, and not a cage. 10 hoops, with a double line of hooping at the hem, and only to my knees. I was going to a masquerade ball with them, and it was very common in the 1860s for women at masquerade balls to wear knee-length skirts. Yes, respectable women. :) Basically, I wasn't going to make more than one set of hoops. I took the early bustle hoops pattern from Waugh's Corsets and Crinolines, left off the bustle support entirely, and mucked around until the pattern worked as I wished it to. The pleat in each back piece did a nice job of swinging the hoops back a bit, which you can see as early as the late 1850s (in Boucher 20,000 Years of Fashion, there's a dated progression set of pictures). Ann in CT Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Oh! I LOVE waltzing in hoop skirts! It's FUN! If you visit Dickens Fair, they have tons of people doing just that all day long. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:52:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Again, not my statement. De -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes .... A video of hooped women waltzing here.....
here's a website that hold Victorian Ball about 4 x's a yr. http://www.lahacal.org/film/waltz.html there is a video on the addy of the Merry Widow Waltz showing women waltzing with hoops of all sizes, this is my favorite web video to watch, it's like being transported in time... Melody Ann Catelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. In the 1860s, when hoops were worn, waltzes and polkas and schottisches were all danced, vigorously. I, myself, while wearing my hoopskirts, have lead other women in a full-turning waltz more than once. :) So even a modern person, who does not wear hoops very often, can waltz with little to no trouble in hoops. Hoops are a bit like lampshades, though--if you move one side down, the other is very likely to fly up. Ann in CT Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Mine is a modern one and I have no problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LuAnn Mason Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:40 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes Actually, a lot of the maneuverability issues depend on whether you're using a modern substitute hoop that has circular hoops all the way around suspended in a drawstring petticoat, or if you have a more accurate cage crinoline which a) shifts the weight of the skirts to the back and b) more importantly, has a break in the hooping along the front. That gap (for lack of a better word) is the key to maneuverability in a hoop--you can sit, you can dance, you can do LOTS of things when the gap is there that become cumbersome when it isn't. LuAnn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:52:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.comhttp://www.aol.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.commailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailm an/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes .... A video of hoopedwomen waltzing here.....
I was one of the founders of the Social Daunse Irregulars. My photo is still hidden away on their webpage. Period waltzing certainly can be done in hoops. The clothing was worn when the dance was created! Not so sure about modern show waltzing. Ron Carnegie - Original Message - From: Melody Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes A video of hoopedwomen waltzing here. here's a website that hold Victorian Ball about 4 x's a yr. http://www.lahacal.org/film/waltz.html there is a video on the addy of the Merry Widow Waltz showing women waltzing with hoops of all sizes, this is my favorite web video to watch, it's like being transported in time... Melody Ann Catelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. In the 1860s, when hoops were worn, waltzes and polkas and schottisches were all danced, vigorously. I, myself, while wearing my hoopskirts, have lead other women in a full-turning waltz more than once. :) So even a modern person, who does not wear hoops very often, can waltz with little to no trouble in hoops. Hoops are a bit like lampshades, though--if you move one side down, the other is very likely to fly up. Ann in CT Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:52:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Actually, a lot of the maneuverability issues depend on whether you're using a modern substitute hoop that has circular hoops all the way around suspended in a drawstring petticoat, or if you have a more accurate cage crinoline which a) shifts the weight of the skirts to the back and b) more importantly, has a break in the hooping along the front. That gap (for lack of a better word) is the key to maneuverability in a hoop--you can sit, you can dance, you can do LOTS of things when the gap is there that become cumbersome when it isn't. LuAnn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:52:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.comhttp://www.aol.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.commailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 10/6/2007 10:56:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. Ah, but they had practice. I think a modern bride would be wise to practice, too, if she chose a hoop skirt--not only dancing, but walking, sitting, getting in and out of a vehicle. . . . Ann Wass ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Ah, yes, the kowtow scene in King and I springs to mind A personal pet peeve is brides stomping around in their gowns because they never wear skirts and don't know how to move in them... hoop or no hoop... Astrida -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 10/6/2007 9:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes In a message dated 10/6/2007 10:56:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. Ah, but they had practice. I think a modern bride would be wise to practice, too, if she chose a hoop skirt--not only dancing, but walking, sitting, getting in and out of a vehicle. . . . Ann Wass ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes, pardner
In a message dated 10/6/2007 9:31:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They did not realise that Wild West counts as Victorian. Ya-ha... I think you mean, Yeee-haa. That was cruel--funny, but cruel. Well, better than going as Victoria in widowhood, I guess. Ann Wass ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:40:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, a lot of the maneuverability issues depend on whether you're using a modern substitute hoop that has circular hoops all the way around suspended in a drawstring petticoat, or if you have a more accurate cage crinoline which a) shifts the weight of the skirts to the back and b) more importantly, has a break in the hooping along the front. That gap (for lack of a better word) is the key to maneuverability in a hoop--you can sit, you can dance, you can do LOTS of things when the gap is there that become cumbersome when it isn't. ** True. But still, even though cage crinolines were numerous, there are also examples of hooped petticoats, and hoops start out being circular before moving into that trained, elongated form you see near the end of the period. So there was still a whole lotta waltzing going on in circular, hooped petticoats. Of course no one said it was easy! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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That's something I've recommended to every bride I've sewn for, or even just had a long conversation about their dress with. Ditto for a few early 20 somethings I've done college formals for. Most women simply have no experience with anything longer than midcalf, never mind full skirts, and don't know how to move in a dress with structure. I grew up wearing the longest skirts my mother would let me wear and the first bride a made a gown for had perfect posture and knew how to handle a skirt. Then I made my college roommate's first formal dress. Wow! The lessons started with taking her out to buy her first pair of real shoes - and trying to teach her how to walk in them (1 1/2 heels at the most) instead of her usual sneakers. I though the shoe salesman would die trying not to laugh. Just imagine the most frumpy, introverted, asexual college student you can, along with a very girly little pixie yelling at her no, no, no, put you heel down before your toes! And don't spin on your heels, turn on your toes In another year I had her dressing in girl clothes and even combing her hair. (I corrupted her in a few other ways too) Beth Chamberlain -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 9:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes In a message dated 10/6/2007 10:56:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. Ah, but they had practice. I think a modern bride would be wise to practice, too, if she chose a hoop skirt--not only dancing, but walking, sitting, getting in and out of a vehicle. . . . Ann Wass ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes, pardner
In a message dated 10/6/2007 9:39:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: think you mean, Yeee-haa. That was cruel--funny, but cruel. Well, better than going as Victoria in widowhood, I guess. *** I dunno... carry a bottle of Bombay Gin and it could be cute ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Oh, absolutely. It's just interesting to trace the evolution because the crinolines that have the open fronts are so much more comfortable / wearable / danceable than the earlier hooped petticoat style. LuAnn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:40:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, a lot of the maneuverability issues depend on whether you're using a modern substitute hoop that has circular hoops all the way around suspended in a drawstring petticoat, or if you have a more accurate cage crinoline which a) shifts the weight of the skirts to the back and b) more importantly, has a break in the hooping along the front. That gap (for lack of a better word) is the key to maneuverability in a hoop--you can sit, you can dance, you can do LOTS of things when the gap is there that become cumbersome when it isn't. ** True. But still, even though cage crinolines were numerous, there are also examples of hooped petticoats, and hoops start out being circular before moving into that trained, elongated form you see near the end of the period. So there was still a whole lotta waltzing going on in circular, hooped petticoats. Of course no one said it was easy! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.comhttp://www.aol.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.commailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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The Victorian era begins with her reign in 1937. To my understanding crine or horse hair tape was uses in the sleeves and petticoats during the 1830s but around 1840s or fifties is when the hoops skirts start appearing. You Victorian/Civil War gowns w/hoops are 1861. So if 1830 is the choosen era, then it is petticoats with crine. -Original Message- Oh, absolutely. It's just interesting to trace the evolution because the crinolines that have the open fronts are so much more comfortable / wearable / danceable than the earlier hooped petticoat style. LuAnn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:40:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, a lot of the maneuverability issues depend on whether you're using a modern substitute hoop that has circular hoops all the way around suspended in a drawstring petticoat, or if you have a more accurate cage crinoline which a) shifts the weight of the skirts to the back and b) more importantly, has a break in the hooping along the front. That gap (for lack of a better word) is the key to maneuverability in a hoop--you can sit, you can dance, you can do LOTS of things when the gap is there that become cumbersome when it isn't. ** True. But still, even though cage crinolines were numerous, there are also examples of hooped petticoats, and hoops start out being circular before moving into that trained, elongated form you see near the end of the period. So there was still a whole lotta waltzing going on in circular, hooped petticoats. Of course no one said it was easy! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.comhttp://www.aol.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.commailto:h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mai lman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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1830 info. http://www.connerprairie.org/historyonline/clothing.html AFAIK, they had layers of petticoats and not hoops. http://www.fashion-era.com/romantic_era.htm#The%20Underwear Men/paperdoll 1830 http://www.fancyephemera.com/historicalfashion.html#1830sbeau 1830 wedding gowns http://www.fancyephemera.com/bridepage2.html#BEAUTIFUL%20GOWNS Fashion plates http://weddingdressesgallery.com/?cat=9 Gown http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_500.htm Scroll down to the pink gown http://www.vintagetextile.com/gallery_early.htm Or were you wanting 1930s? De -Original Message- Barbara Marien saidAnd for myself? Before the idea of a wedding in historical costumes came up, I had already fallen in love with burda pattern 8199 (http://www.burdamode.com/Brautmode,1270778-1128998-1005430-1157072,deDE.htm l; or, with English text: http://www.fjoelner.dk/vismonster.asp?vare=6834la=ukuart=167) which to my eyes seems delightfully eclectic and for that very reason not historic, but modern. I see 'medieval' in it (sleeves), 'modern' (bare shoulders) and '1930s' (slim, straight line)... any more opinions? But how will that match an 1830s mens' suit? But I'm not going to make something 1830s for myself -- for fun, yes, not for my wedding. Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. Or a tango. Dancing is a big thing for both of us. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
