Re: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please?
Dress #3, from my site is described as such: excerpt, Delineator, March 1894: (Figure No. 300G/No. 6772) Shaded taffeta is the material here pictured...which is admirably adapted for visiting, driving and other dressy wear. The skirt is of the 5 gored variety and, as is now considered correct, present fullness only at the back, the shaping of the gores, together with darts at the top, producing a smooth effect over the hips. ...trimmed with a lace edging and narrow insertion... (I question the term narrow insertion, looks wide to me) A very dressy toilette for an afternoon reception may be developed by the mode in shaded or chanegable silk, liberty silk, silk taffeta, crepon, India or China silk or plain or figured crepe de Chine. All sorts of wool and silk-and-wool materials are also well adapted to a toilette of this kind. So it seems any of your lighter-weight cloth, either wool or silk, would work well. Katy On Dec 5, 2007 5:34 PM, Angharad ver' Reynulf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings folks! It seems my costuming inspiration has come back with a vengeance. After much lurking and dithering, I'm going to be making two Victorian (or early Edwardian?) outfits in preparation for CostumeCon 26, but need a little help with details. Ageless Patterns for inspirations and then Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon were posited as good starting patterns for me (I don't think the person recommending realized I owned/had access to several of Fran's books). I've been going through my book and the local library's selection, as well as several online sites trying to see what general silhouettes appeal most to me, and it looks like from about 1887 to 1899, and a couple of pieces from 1905 are the ones I'll be trying to focus on, with more of the walking/day type skirts, not the evening gowns. I'm not experienced at drafting up yet, so this will be a good learning experience, no matter what outfits I choose. Plus of course trying to get a decent idea of color combinations and trim/decorative styles for that time period. My sister-in-law will be letting me rifle through her Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon undergarment and basic skirt/bodice patterns, which will help me see better as my computer doesn't show them well. The three primary types of silhouettes I seem to come up with are as follows, with questions at the end. A: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1008.GIF B: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1488.GIF C: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/images/Del_3_94d.jpg A: 1887 Braided Cloth Gown w/Bell Skirt: This gown was made of bluet-blue cloth with a vest of dark blue velvet and braiding in dark blue soutache. The waist is a belted blouse, cut low on the velvet vest, with the fronts connected by a clasp. Design for soutache braid included. B: 1899 Gown Trimmed w/Persian Lamb: The pattern for this terra cotta colored cloth gown trimmed with embroidery and Persian lamb consists of bodice, outer skirt, underskirt and pattern for embroidery. C: I like this piece as well, it looks very similar to 5 of the ones in the 1890's Dover book I've got checked out, or one that's pictured in R. Turner Wilcox's The Mode in Costume out of peacock green with black accents and a violet satin waist and belt. Query 1: On dress A, isn't a Bell Skirt more 1890's? I like the thought of playing with the detailing like this, but am confused at what the back would look like. Is anyone familiar with this particular pattern who can clear it up for me? Also, what is meant by a velvet vest under the waist? Is that simply a sleeved garment under the blouse, or something else? Query 2: Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used so that I can better visualize them? I do okay with only written descriptions, but examples I can see work much better. I have some long lengths of white gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel combination that I think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's without any knowledge, and I'd rather have something that doesn't look like an inspired costume. Query 3: Fabrics/colors. I've got a tropical weight bright jade/peacock green wool (almost 20 yards, it was at a thrift store), lots of lightweight black wool (off cuts from a garment store averaging about 2 yards each), 10 yards of an icy greyed lavender faux shot silk, 10 yards of a black orchid grosgrain type fabric and 10 yards of a medium rose linen weave, plus lots of white, black, green and purple bits of velvets, satins, laces and wools that I could pull out for accents. They are all plain fabrics, as is most of my hoard, but I tend to prefer to err that way, than with patterns. Would any of these work? Sorry for the rambling, I stayed up a bit too late reading and playing with images for this last night and am paying for it at work today. Thank you for your time! JonnaLyhn
RE: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please?
I like dress C, and you could use the tropical weght wool for it. Or the black orchid fabric, which sounnds like faille, a ribbed fabric with plenty of body . Kim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angharad ver' Reynulf Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 4:35 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please? Greetings folks! It seems my costuming inspiration has come back with a vengeance. After much lurking and dithering, I'm going to be making two Victorian (or early Edwardian?) outfits in preparation for CostumeCon 26, but need a little help with details. Ageless Patterns for inspirations and then Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon were posited as good starting patterns for me (I don't think the person recommending realized I owned/had access to several of Fran's books). I've been going through my book and the local library's selection, as well as several online sites trying to see what general silhouettes appeal most to me, and it looks like from about 1887 to 1899, and a couple of pieces from 1905 are the ones I'll be trying to focus on, with more of the walking/day type skirts, not the evening gowns. I'm not experienced at drafting up yet, so this will be a good learning experience, no matter what outfits I choose. Plus of course trying to get a decent idea of color combinations and trim/decorative styles for that time period. My sister-in-law will be letting me rifle through her Truly Victorian and Laughing Moon undergarment and basic skirt/bodice patterns, which will help me see better as my computer doesn't show them well. The three primary types of silhouettes I seem to come up with are as follows, with questions at the end. A: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1008.GIF B: http://www.agelesspatterns.com/images/1488.GIF C: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/images/Del_3_94d.jpg A: 1887 Braided Cloth Gown w/Bell Skirt: This gown was made of bluet-blue cloth with a vest of dark blue velvet and braiding in dark blue soutache. The waist is a belted blouse, cut low on the velvet vest, with the fronts connected by a clasp. Design for soutache braid included. B: 1899 Gown Trimmed w/Persian Lamb: The pattern for this terra cotta colored cloth gown trimmed with embroidery and Persian lamb consists of bodice, outer skirt, underskirt and pattern for embroidery. C: I like this piece as well, it looks very similar to 5 of the ones in the 1890's Dover book I've got checked out, or one that's pictured in R. Turner Wilcox's The Mode in Costume out of peacock green with black accents and a violet satin waist and belt. Query 1: On dress A, isn't a Bell Skirt more 1890's? I like the thought of playing with the detailing like this, but am confused at what the back would look like. Is anyone familiar with this particular pattern who can clear it up for me? Also, what is meant by a velvet vest under the waist? Is that simply a sleeved garment under the blouse, or something else? Query 2: Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used so that I can better visualize them? I do okay with only written descriptions, but examples I can see work much better. I have some long lengths of white gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel combination that I think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's without any knowledge, and I'd rather have something that doesn't look like an inspired costume. Query 3: Fabrics/colors. I've got a tropical weight bright jade/peacock green wool (almost 20 yards, it was at a thrift store), lots of lightweight black wool (off cuts from a garment store averaging about 2 yards each), 10 yards of an icy greyed lavender faux shot silk, 10 yards of a black orchid grosgrain type fabric and 10 yards of a medium rose linen weave, plus lots of white, black, green and purple bits of velvets, satins, laces and wools that I could pull out for accents. They are all plain fabrics, as is most of my hoard, but I tend to prefer to err that way, than with patterns. Would any of these work? Sorry for the rambling, I stayed up a bit too late reading and playing with images for this last night and am paying for it at work today. Thank you for your time! JonnaLyhn Wolfcat who will also be doing two 1940's outfits-one suit and one evening gown, I have EVIL friends! Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please?
My thanks to all who've given me input. The hardest part about going into this is feeling confident enough to get started. I'll be getting together with my sister in law just before Yule, and will get to look at what patterns she has to start with, so hopefully I can be working on the undergarments before New Years. So yes, I'll do an update one what choice(s) I work on then. Katy, thank you for the further information on dress C. I didn't see that on your site or would have put it with the information on the gown like I did for the other two. It makes me feel a lot more confident about the fabrics I picked up from Michael Levine's. Melusine, I'll take you up on that offer-the key part will be determining WHEN I can get to your place. JonnaLyhn Wolfcat aka Angharad verch Reynulf, BAO, An Tir Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Assistance with late Victorian gown patterns please?
(snip) Query 2: Where could I get an idea of what types of trimmings were used so that I can better visualize them? I do okay with only written descriptions, but examples I can see work much better. I have some long lengths of white gimp, a colored fringe and a white gimp/netted tassel combination that I think would look nice on a hem or edging, but that's without any knowledge, and I'd rather have something that doesn't look like an inspired costume. I've got some antique trims from the 1880-1900 era if you'd like to come over and look at them. Keeping me company while I tear my hair out, oop, I mean sew, would be ok, too. Melusine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
