Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking
Quoting Elizabeth Walpole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: - Original Message - From: "Susan B. Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK. I'll ask the ignorant question ... What *is* Canadian Smocking and how is it different from any other kind of smocking? susan I had the same confusion until I looked at the website mentioned at the beginning of this thread http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php and found out it's actually what I've always seen described as Lattice smocking in English/Australian texts (this other name must be a north American thing) Thanks! I've always heard it called Lattice Smocking too. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking
- Original Message - From: "Susan B. Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking OK. I'll ask the ignorant question ... What *is* Canadian Smocking and how is it different from any other kind of smocking? susan I had the same confusion until I looked at the website mentioned at the beginning of this thread http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php and found out it's actually what I've always seen described as Lattice smocking in English/Australian texts (this other name must be a north American thing) Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.179) Database version: 5.07080 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking
OK. I'll ask the ignorant question ... What *is* Canadian Smocking and how is it different from any other kind of smocking? susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking
I wasn't referring to the spangles, but to the pattern of longer and shorter lines, which looks like slashing and pinking, but I don't think it is. If you look closely, each line looks like it is embroidered on top of the fabric with metallic thread. I meant to suggest that this may in fact be the artist trying to depict slashes in the black that are backed by a metallic fabric. In any case, I don't think it is smocking, nor does it look like actual strapwork to me. Melanie Schuessler otsisto wrote: Those are spangles and not cloth of gold. And though Canadians like to claim the smocking technique, it was done way before Canada was Canada. I vaguely remember seeing it once on a extent 1700s French stomacher. De -Original Message- I'm going to assume that you meant to suggest this portrait as an example of Canadian smocking, but I don't think it is. It's possible that it's slashing-and-pinking, but in fact on close inspection it looks more like embroidery meant to look like slashing-and-pinking. Or it may be that this is an illusion created by the artist trying to represent slashing backed by cloth-of-gold. Melanie Schuessler otsisto wrote: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking
If you look at the dress it is not slashing. It could be strips of velvet woven together but I am more inclined to believe that it is lattice work. The embroidery (or small pinking) and the spangles are emphisizing the the woven look. http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg Please compare the first picture to the portrait's sleeve. I know that there are two other portraits out there that show the sleeves to have what looks like lattice work but I can't seem to remember which portraits, one was "Italian". De -Original Message- What are you looking at on this picture?I don't see anything that looks like smocking. I see a lot of slashing?? Sg ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking
The strapwork on the sleeves, I'm guessing. But I think it's actual strapwork, and not smocking --Sue - Original Message - From: "Saragrace Knauf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking > What are you looking at on this picture?I don't see anything that looks like smocking. I see a lot of slashing?? > > Sg > - Original Message - > From: otsisto<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Historical Costume<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:35 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking > > > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg<http://www.tudor-portraitscom /Elizabeth12.jpg> > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking
Those are spangles and not cloth of gold. And though Canadians like to claim the smocking technique, it was done way before Canada was Canada. I vaguely remember seeing it once on a extent 1700s French stomacher. De -Original Message- I'm going to assume that you meant to suggest this portrait as an example of Canadian smocking, but I don't think it is. It's possible that it's slashing-and-pinking, but in fact on close inspection it looks more like embroidery meant to look like slashing-and-pinking. Or it may be that this is an illusion created by the artist trying to represent slashing backed by cloth-of-gold. Melanie Schuessler otsisto wrote: > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg > ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking
I'm going to assume that you meant to suggest this portrait as an example of Canadian smocking, but I don't think it is. It's possible that it's slashing-and-pinking, but in fact on close inspection it looks more like embroidery meant to look like slashing-and-pinking. Or it may be that this is an illusion created by the artist trying to represent slashing backed by cloth-of-gold. Melanie Schuessler otsisto wrote: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg -Original Message- Quoting Carmen Beaudry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Carmen Beaudry wrote: http://www.wga.hu/support/viewer/z.html This looks like the back of lattice smocking. That's not a valid link. Do you recall the title and artist? Dawn sightry this one: http://www.wga.hu/index1.html Portrait of Lucrezia Panciatichi by Bronzino or this link http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bronzino/2/panciat2.jpg do you mean the sleeve heads? I've wondered about them. susan ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking
What are you looking at on this picture?I don't see anything that looks like smocking. I see a lot of slashing?? Sg - Original Message - From: otsisto<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Historical Costume<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg<http://www.tudor-portraitscom/Elizabeth12.jpg> ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking
http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg -Original Message- Quoting Carmen Beaudry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Carmen Beaudry wrote: >> >> >>> http://www.wga.hu/support/viewer/z.html This looks like the back of >>> lattice smocking. >> >> That's not a valid link. Do you recall the title and artist? >> Dawn > > sightry this one: http://www.wga.hu/index1.html > Portrait of Lucrezia Panciatichi by Bronzino or this link http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bronzino/2/panciat2.jpg do you mean the sleeve heads? I've wondered about them. susan ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking
Quoting Carmen Beaudry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Carmen Beaudry wrote: http://www.wga.hu/support/viewer/z.html This looks like the back of lattice smocking. That's not a valid link. Do you recall the title and artist? Dawn sightry this one: http://www.wga.hu/index1.html Portrait of Lucrezia Panciatichi by Bronzino or this link http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bronzino/2/panciat2.jpg do you mean the sleeve heads? I've wondered about them. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking
> Carmen Beaudry wrote: > > >> http://www.wga.hu/support/viewer/z.html This looks like the back of >> lattice smocking. > > That's not a valid link. Do you recall the title and artist? > Dawn sightry this one: http://www.wga.hu/index1.html Portrait of Lucrezia Panciatichi by Bronzino Melusine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking
Carmen Beaudry wrote: http://www.wga.hu/support/viewer/z.html This looks like the back of lattice smocking. That's not a valid link. Do you recall the title and artist? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking (was: Re: Childrens costumes)
It's called Canadian smocking. http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php It goes by other names as well, as this page will tell you. It is incredibly consumptive but its well worth it. It took me a good couple of hours to grasp how it's done; I am left handed and have to mentally invert instructions like this. I only wish that I could document its use to the 16th c. Best as I can figure its exclusively 19th or better. I've seen it used in several Elizabethan-era movies lately, though. (snip) Kathy I'm finding a couple of Italian portraits that look as if this might have been how the sleeves were done, only from the back. I think I've actually seen one that has the latticework look to it, but I'm not finding it. I'll keep looking. http://www.wga.hu/support/viewer/z.html This looks like the back of lattice smocking. Melusine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
