[Hampshire] [OT] Armoured network cable supplier?
Hello folks Can anyone recommend a supplier and/or installer of armoured ethernet cable? My client (www.lotusflowertrust.org) needs a network connection to their outside office about 30m from the main house. cheers Chris -- Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com Fordingbridge, Hampshire, UK -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Armoured network cable supplier?
I have done DIY installations of outside cables in the past by laying PVC water pipes in a trench and then threading the cable though those. You can either bend the pipe or make joints for changes of direction depending on how sharp they are. Not quite what you are after, but a possible alternative. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Armoured network cable supplier?
2009/8/4 Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com: Hello folks Can anyone recommend a supplier and/or installer of armoured ethernet cable? My client (www.lotusflowertrust.org) needs a network connection to their outside office about 30m from the main house. When I wired up my shed, I just burried some small drain pipe with a rope running through it. Once completed, I used the rope to pull standard cat5 cable and a telephone line, with tha aid of some washing up liquid. That was a good 25 metre run. So far, it has lasted about ten years. I hope it lasts quite a few more as I have built a conservetory over one end of the pipe :-) -- Philip Stubbs -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Armoured network cable supplier?
Victor Churchill wrote: I have done DIY installations of outside cables in the past by laying PVC water pipes in a trench and then threading the cable though those. You can either bend the pipe or make joints for changes of direction depending on how sharp they are. Not quite what you are after, but a possible alternative. Thanks for the replies. I did the cable-in-a-pipe thing once in the past, but I wasn't convinced that the result would last, and it involved a lot of hassle getting the wires down the pipe. Maybe I'll reconsider wifi solutions. cheers Chris -- Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com Fordingbridge, Hampshire, UK -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Armoured network cable supplier?
2009/8/4 Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com: Thanks for the replies. I did the cable-in-a-pipe thing once in the past, but I wasn't convinced that the result would last, and it involved a lot of hassle getting the wires down the pipe. Maybe I'll reconsider wifi solutions. ... or you could look into armoured ethernet cable ;-) Ironically, I did have a reel of some pretty tough armoured comms-type cable (rescued from a skip) in my shed for about 15 years. Eventually dumped last year because it never got used for anything . Thank you Murphy. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Armoured network cable supplier?
Hi, I've never seen armoured cable per-se (would have thought it would have been too difficult to stick the connectors on and plug it in. I've used exterior grade cable and found it good. If I wanted to do that I'd probably put it in conduit. I would look at millsltd.com or wadsworth.co.uk in the first instance. Other options would be a wireless bridge with directional antennas or (if the two buildings share a mains) an ethernet-over-mains solution. What kind of data rates do they need? Cheers, Paul. --Original Message-- From: Chris Dennis Sender: hampshire-boun...@mailman.lug.org.uk To: Hampshire LUG Mailing List ReplyTo: Hampshire LUG Mailing List Subject: [Hampshire] [OT] Armoured network cable supplier? Sent: 4 Aug 2009 12:00 Hello folks Can anyone recommend a supplier and/or installer of armoured ethernet cable? My client (www.lotusflowertrust.org) needs a network connection to their outside office about 30m from the main house. cheers Chris -- Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com Fordingbridge, Hampshire, UK -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Armoured network cable supplier?
Hi again, When we do that we lay two parallel pipes and thread a pull rope down one and back down the other. The rope is then tied in a continuous loop for loss-free pulling :) We usually use 4 plastic pipe as it's not tight and should make pulling easy. Cheers, Paul. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:24:31 To: Hampshire LUG Discussion Listhampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Armoured network cable supplier? Victor Churchill wrote: I have done DIY installations of outside cables in the past by laying PVC water pipes in a trench and then threading the cable though those. You can either bend the pipe or make joints for changes of direction depending on how sharp they are. Not quite what you are after, but a possible alternative. Thanks for the replies. I did the cable-in-a-pipe thing once in the past, but I wasn't convinced that the result would last, and it involved a lot of hassle getting the wires down the pipe. Maybe I'll reconsider wifi solutions. cheers Chris -- Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com Fordingbridge, Hampshire, UK -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Armoured network cable supplier?
David Ramsden wrote: Chris Dennis wrote: Hello folks Can anyone recommend a supplier and/or installer of armoured ethernet cable? My client (www.lotusflowertrust.org) needs a network connection to their outside office about 30m from the main house. Hi Chris, I've passed this on to a colleague. When I mentioned it, he said that you can't just run a bit of copper through a pipe in the ground (something to do with earth differential) and you'd also have to pull through an earth. He also mentioned that there's not really such a thing as armoured ethernet cable. You can get armoured fibre though. It seems to be available, for example: http://www.homestead.co.uk/productcategorydetail.aspx?CategoryID=54706 Anyway, you may get an email from either Andy Tsoi or Kevin Palmer regarding this. Thanks for your help -- it's much appreciated. Regards, David. cheers Chris -- Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com Fordingbridge, Hampshire, UK -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Armoured network cable supplier?
Hi, On Tue, Aug 04 at 12:00, Chris Dennis wrote: ... My client (www.lotusflowertrust.org) needs a network connection to their outside office about 30m from the main house. Armoured cable may be well over the top for the application. My phone and Ethernet lines run through the professionaly installed (when the hut was buit) conduit to my hut, to meet building regs it's about three feet deep and mains runs in a separate armoured cable. A plastic pipe with a pull through means you can add or replace cables when you need. But this is overkill. I've also run standard CAT5 (not even exterior grade) buried in the turf at 2-3 inches, it's been down for three years without a problem. I'm guessing that like most things it will last until someone with a shovel disturbs it. Can you tolerate a couple of days downtime if it fails and needs replacing ? or sling a temporary replacement out the window and through the bushes. If someone put's a spade through it they have the tools to hand to help you bury a replacement. -- Bob Dunlop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Ultimate Linux Media PC?
I wonder if we can take this discussion a bit further - possibly expanding it so that it does not just cover the 'ultimate' system. If there was a smart linux hardware+software package to fit neatly under the TV for less than £250 that could combine the roles of PVR, network interface and DVD writer (blue-ray for a bit extra?) then it could be a very attractive consumer product. I see the Hants Wiki has thought a bit about the options but has not come up so far with any solutions. Of the three main suggestions made in the current discussion, (I know nothing about the X-Box), John Wesleys seems to have the most options, but I query the power requirement (is 65 W high these days?), the TV tuner (freeview and/or freesat - USB stubs would look out of place) and most importantly the user interface (we really need a handheld). Also are there drivers for the VIA CX700M2 graphics chip which is a key component. The total price comes out around £500 (without a blueray writer) which is a bit on the high side. In comparison Alan Pope's Acer Aspire seems much more cost effective - but does it need another box for the (twin) TV tuner and does it look right under the TV? Is the power sufficient to handle two input and one output TV streams at once? The great advantage with such a package is that the drivers should always work and problems like power/heat dissipation and hardware compatability should have been sorted out. Finally Hugo Mills' Popcorn Hour looks very professional but has none of the PVR properties which, from now on is likely to be considered essential. Anyway I wonder if we could start with these - as three levels which might attract interest - and then have suggestions about how they could be improved and what software would work together. Maybe a winter meeting devoted to 'around the house' media systems would be useful. Regards, David Webb === Brief summaries: John Wesley, Hardware + Mythbuntu: £425 processor: Via C7 memory: 1 Gb Hard Drive: 1.5 Tb Optical drive: None Graphics: VIA UniChromeTM Pro II 3D/2D AGP Monitor:None Networking: Ethernet (RJ-45) Firewire Controls: Mouse and Keyboard Power supply: 65W adaptor Audio/Video:1 x DVI 1 x RJ45 1 x miniDIN (S-Video) 1 x Triple RCA (composite video and steoeo) 1 x Triple RCA (component video) 1 x S/PDIF coaxial 1 x S/PDIF optical Internal ports: 2 (+ 4) x USB 1 x 1394 1 Front panel audio header 1 Audio line in header 1 LPC header 1 LVDS header 1 TV out header for SCART and D-terminal 1 video connector for VGA output 1 x video input and SMBUS 1 x PS2 mouse/keyboard header 2 x SATA Other connectors: 2 x fan connectors 1 x ATX power connector TV Control: Keyboard?!! TV Receiver:PCI Card Alan Pope, Acer Aspire Revo Desktop PC + Linux(?) £155.99 Processor: Intel Atom Memory: 1 Gb Hard Drive: 160 Gb Optical drive: None Graphics: NVidia IONth Monitor:None Networking: WiFi (802.11) Ethernet (RJ-45) Controls: Mouse and Keyboard Power supply: 65W adaptor Audio/Video : 1 x D-sub VGA 1 x HDMIth Headphones, Mike Other ports:6 x USB 2.0 1 x eSATA 1 x Mini PCI express slot TV Control: Keyboard?!! TV Receiver:mini PCI card? Hugo Mills: Popcorn Hour A-110, Syaba OS(?), $215 (£215?) Memory: 256 Mb Networking: Ethernet Power: 12V (Less than 36 W) Audio/Video: HDMI v1.3a (up to 1080p) Component Video S-Video Composite Video Stereo Analog Audio S/PDIF Optical Digital Audio Other ports: 1+2 USB SATA TV Control: Hand held remote control TV Receiver: The system streams data from the www, other computers and attached storage. It is not clear of it can also act like a PVR and record from digital TV input, say via a receiver connected to a USB port. == -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Ultimate Linux Media PC?
On 08/04/2009 03:35 PM, Stephen Rowles wrote: ASRock Ion-330 (No OS) £249.99 (svp.co.uk) Processor: Intel Atom (330 dual core) Memory: 2 Gb (800 mhz) Hard Drive: 320 Gb (2.5inch) Optical drive: DVD re-writer (slimline / laptop) Graphics: NVidia ION (Geforce 9400M equivalent) Audio: 5.1 (with output over HDMI) Monitor:None Networking: Ethernet (RJ-45, Gigabit) Controls: None supplied. Power supply: 65W adaptor Audio/Video : 1 x D-sub VGA 1 x HDMI Line in, Line out, Mic Other ports:6 x USB 2.0 1 x S/PDIF (optical) 1 x Mini PCI express slot Ops, spec. correction, there isn't a mini PCI express slot, silly copy and paste error. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Ultimate Linux Media PC?
Stephen Rowles wrote: You've missed my suggestions My mistake - sorry about that. What is the position re Linux drivers? Are they the same NVidia ones as the Acer Aspire? David. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Ultimate Linux Media PC?
On 08/04/2009 03:52 PM, David Webb wrote: Stephen Rowles wrote: You've missed my suggestions My mistake - sorry about that. No worries. What is the position re Linux drivers? Are they the same NVidia ones as the Acer Aspire? David The drivers are exactly the same as for the Aspire, they are both Nvidia ION platform machine and the latest Nvidia binary drivers provide HD content off-load and audio out via the HDMI cable. They are almost the same machine, the advantage the ASRock ION-330 has is that it has a built in DVD-writer and uses the dual-core version of the Intel Atom chip. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Armoured network cable supplier?
On Tuesday 04 August 2009 12:24:31 Chris Dennis wrote: Victor Churchill wrote: I have done DIY installations of outside cables in the past by laying PVC water pipes in a trench and then threading the cable though those. You can either bend the pipe or make joints for changes of direction depending on how sharp they are. Not quite what you are after, but a possible alternative. Thanks for the replies. I did the cable-in-a-pipe thing once in the past, but I wasn't convinced that the result would last, and it involved a lot of hassle getting the wires down the pipe. Maybe I'll reconsider wifi solutions. cheers Chris -- Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com Fordingbridge, Hampshire, UK If you go the Wifi route and are looking for a decent Attennae, then I can recommend these http://www.wifi-antennas.co.uk/index.php?target=productsproduct_id=1 I have a couple of these at work and they operate over a 150mtr gap without a problem. You can hook them up to a access point of your choosing, I used the one Allendale offered. Tim -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Armoured network cable supplier?
2009/8/4 Bob Dunlop bob.dun...@xyzzy.org.uk: But this is overkill. I've also run standard CAT5 (not even exterior grade) buried in the turf at 2-3 inches, it's been down for three years without a problem. I'm guessing that like most things it will last until someone with a shovel disturbs it. My network to the garage goes around the edge of the garden in a plastic tube. Mains went directly down from garden to garage until the people renovating our garden cut through it with a rotovator.. .. twice. Cheers, Al. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Armoured network cable supplier?
Paul Stimpson wrote: SNIP Thanks for the replies. I did the cable-in-a-pipe thing once in the past, but I wasn't convinced that the result would last, and it involved a lot of hassle getting the wires down the pipe. SNIP Hi Paul, Perhaps I'm oversimplifying, but isn't two pipes, with one essentially for the cord overkill. Can't you simply attach a new cord to the flex you are running through, using our good friend duct tape? Then keep the now redundant cord for next time? I'm somehow imagining some integrate pulley, or block and tackle system, for something that probably won't be touched for 10 years. :) Kind Regards, Dave Walker -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Armoured network cable supplier?
Chris Dennis wrote: Hello folks Can anyone recommend a supplier and/or installer of armoured ethernet cable? My client (www.lotusflowertrust.org) needs a network connection to their outside office about 30m from the main house. cheers Chris Well, that generated some interesting discussion. Thanks to everyone. On consideration, I'll go for the ethernet-over-mains option. (And if that doesn't work, I'll mess about with wifi.) Armoured Cat5e cable is available at about £2 per metre, but the tools required to deal with it, and the special terminating glands etc. are not something I want to get involved with. And playing with pipes and ditches would be more appealing in a different climate. cheers Chris -- Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com Fordingbridge, Hampshire, UK -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Pipe issues
I've got a shell script that calls a program and pipes its output to grep, i.e. #!/bin/bash program | grep -v remaining\s*$ When I run the script this works fine (i.e. no lines output ending in remaining). However if I set the script to run using anacron then I always get an email with loads of lines with remaining on the end of them. I've tried loads of things to attempt to debug it, but to no avail. Can anyone help? Thank you, Leo -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Pipe issues
Leo wrote: I've got a shell script that calls a program and pipes its output to grep, i.e. #!/bin/bash program | grep -v remaining\s*$ When I run the script this works fine (i.e. no lines output ending in remaining). However if I set the script to run using anacron then I always get an email with loads of lines with remaining on the end of them. I've tried loads of things to attempt to debug it, but to no avail. Can anyone help? set $PATH just after #!/bin/bash to what ever your local environment has it set to. YMMV -- Life is too short. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Pipe issues
Leo wrote: #!/bin/bash program | grep -v remaining\s*$ I would put the grep string in single quotes - anacron may be messing up the trailing $ (BTW, did anyone else read the subject of this email and assume it was carrying on the armoured ethernet thread?) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Pipe issues
On Tue, Aug 04 at 08:56, Leo wrote: I've got a shell script that calls a program and pipes its output to grep, i.e. #!/bin/bash program | grep -v remaining\s*$ When I run the script this works fine (i.e. no lines output ending in remaining). However if I set the script to run using anacron then I Whos turning the \s into a space I wonder ? It's not a bash syntax that I recognise, nor a grep one ? Are you using csh for your interactive session ? Try the following in your script. program | grep -E -v remaining[[:space:]]*$ That's a combination I know works with grep regardless of the shell used. Don' forget the -E -- Bob Dunlop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Armoured network cable supplier?
2009/8/4 Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com: Hello folks Can anyone recommend a supplier and/or installer of armoured ethernet cable? My client (www.lotusflowertrust.org) needs a network connection to their outside office about 30m from the main house. cheers Chris -- Don't bother with armored cable. They are a pain to work with. One option is to instead bury a PVC tube. Good for when you need to send an extra cable through, takes about the same effort burying a PVC tube, than it does an armored cable. But, if you don't like that idea, I have in the past just passed the cable through a garden hose pipe, and then buried the hose pipe. It has been happily functioning for over 10 years now. Kind Regards James -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Pipe issues
Simon Reap wrote: I would put the grep string in single quotes - anacron may be messing up the trailing $ (BTW, did anyone else read the subject of this email and assume it was carrying on the armoured ethernet thread?) That didn't help either, but it did give me an idea. I did a ps -ef while anacron was getting my script to run and noticed this: grep -v remaining\s*$ without quotes, so I've now changed my script to try: program | grep -v \remaining\\s*$\ and program | grep -v \'remaining\\s*$\' which means ps -ef gives grep -v remaining\s*$ and grep -v 'remaining\s*$' However it still doesn't work when run from anacron :( (Sorry for the confusion) Leo -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Pipe issues
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 10:18:32PM +0100, Leo wrote: Bob Dunlop wrote: Whos turning the \s into a space I wonder ? It's not a bash syntax that I recognise, nor a grep one ? Are you using csh for your interactive session ? Try the following in your script. program | grep -E -v remaining[[:space:]]*$ That's a combination I know works with grep regardless of the shell used. Don' forget the -E I got the syntax from reading man perlrequick. Unfortunately the new syntax you specify doesn't help. Thanks though. I have a thought... is this program normally run interactively? If so, does it present a countdown of remaining time or bytes? If so, it's quite likely that it's using CR, reverse tabs, or other control characters to overwrite the previous line. If it's doing that, you'll probably find that grep isn't handling the output right. You could try something like this: program | tr [[:cntrl:]] \\n | grep -E -v remaining[[:space:]]*$ Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: h...@... carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- I'm all for giving people enough rope to shoot themselves in --- the foot -- Andreas Dilger signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Pipe issues
Hugo Mills wrote: I have a thought... is this program normally run interactively? If so, does it present a countdown of remaining time or bytes? If so, it's quite likely that it's using CR, reverse tabs, or other control characters to overwrite the previous line. If it's doing that, you'll probably find that grep isn't handling the output right. You could try something like this: program | tr [[:cntrl:]] \\n | grep -E -v remaining[[:space:]]*$ Hugo. Yes it does present a countdown and the ... remaining only appears on the one line. I will give your suggestion a try tomorrow as the computer it runs on is down now. Thank you, Leo -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
