[Hampshire] [ADMIN] AGM and next meeting
Hello, Our next meeting will take place on Saturday 2 October at the University of Southampton[0]. Ashwin is our official chaperone for the day and he will send out the call for MAC addresses if you want WiFi access at the meeting[1]. According to the constitution[2] we need to hold an AGM and election of the committee[3] once per year. Autumn has proved to be the best tome to do this in the past few years, so this October's meeting will also be our AGM. We therefore need nominations for the posts and an election returning officer. If you are willing to stand for election to the committee or to act as returning officer please make yourself known on this list. If you would like to give a talk at the meeting then please let us know and if you would like to hear a repeat of a talk that has already taken place[4] then also speak up. I would like to personally thank everyone, it's the members that make the LUG such a great place to be. I would like to thank Damian and Ashwin and Southampton University as our regular hosts, Anton and the IBMers, and Bob and the Surrey LUG - with a place to meet we would be in trouble! For November Surrey hope to be going to Red Hat again, the next chairman will confirm this once details are arranged [5]. [0] : http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/SeminarRoom1 [1] : http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/FindingYourMACAddress [2] : http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/LUGConstitution [3] : http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/CurrentCommittee [4] : http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/TechTalks (and yes this needs updating) [5] : http://surrey.lug.org.uk/content/bring-box-13th-november-2010 -- Adam Trickett Chairman, Hampshire Linux Users Group http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [ADMIN] AGM and next meeting
On Saturday 25 Sep 2010, Hants LUG Chairman wrote: > - with a place to meet we would be in trouble! Should have been: - without a place to meet we would be in trouble! -- Adam Trickett Overton, HANTS, UK Stupidity maintained long enough is a form of malice. -- Richard Bos's corollary -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] What would you do, faced with the following advice re Ubuntu
Note: this is not for my production desktop, which is still running Lenny. Canonical who are the creators of Ubuntu are supporting 8.04 until April 2011 as well as releasing 10.04. Both versions will work, the differences in 10.04 LTS compared to the labs in week 2 are subtle. You MUST install Virtual Box version 3.1.6 or later for 10.04 to work with the additions installation. Yhe Open University course team are strongly reccomending that you use 8.04. You are welcome to use 10.04 but with the advisory that it comes with some risks. We have created an addendum pack which can be found in the course resources page, if you wish to have a go. (LTS stands for Long Term Support and is described in the course material) Hardy is really a bit long in the tooth now... But the general impression I get is that Maverick, albeit still in Beta, is generally considered more successful than Lucid. I have personally had several "failures" with Lucid. (I got on better with Jaunty.) Should I try to triple boot Hardy, Lucid and Maverick? Should I go for one and stick to it? If so which? (Bearing in mind that if I have a problem with Maverick, which I fancy trying, I shall have to ask for help since the OU course team are warning me that they can't really support it!) Incidentally, so far, the course is a little disappointing. The first week's work is actually wrong in some of its facts. E.g., Ubuntu shadows Debian Stable's six monthly release, and is released about a month after it. I kid you not. They really said that. :-( And one page is clearly quoting some of Microsoft's more inaccurate FUD. :-( Thanks for any advice, Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] What would you do, faced with the following advice re Ubuntu
Hi Lisi, On Saturday 25 September 2010 17:42:57 Lisi wrote: > Note: this is not for my production desktop, which is still running Lenny. > > Canonical who are the creators of Ubuntu are supporting 8.04 until April > 2011 as well as releasing 10.04. Both versions will work, the differences > in 10.04 LTS compared to the labs in week 2 are subtle. You MUST install > Virtual Box version 3.1.6 or later for 10.04 to work with the additions > installation. > > Yhe Open University course team are strongly reccomending that you use > 8.04. You are welcome to use 10.04 but with the advisory that it comes > with some risks. > > We have created an addendum pack which can be found in the course resources > page, if you wish to have a go. > > (LTS stands for Long Term Support and is described in the course material) > > > Hardy is really a bit long in the tooth now... > > But the general impression I get is that Maverick, albeit still in Beta, is > generally considered more successful than Lucid. > > I have personally had several "failures" with Lucid. (I got on better with > Jaunty.) > > Should I try to triple boot Hardy, Lucid and Maverick? Well, as with most distro releases (maybe with the exception of Debian stable), you usually have to wait 3-6 months before most of the really annoying bugs have been shaken out. I have had a few issues with 10.04 but I solved my last one today (stopping a really annoyingly loud system beep on shutdown). So I would go for 10.04 as I wouldn't trust 10.10 at all yet and 8.04 is ancient (mind you as you run Debian Lenny you might actually feel more at home with that version... only half-kidding) The fact that "it works for me" is probably not particularly helpful, though. It might be more productive if you shared your "failures" with 10.04 in case someone on the list can come up with a solution. Cheers, Steve -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] What would you do, faced with the following advice re Ubuntu
On Saturday 25 September 2010 18:27:52 Steve Wesemeyer wrote: > So I would go for 10.04 as I wouldn't trust 10.10 at all yet and 8.04 is > ancient (mind you as you run Debian Lenny you might actually feel more at > home with that version... only half-kidding) Thanks, Steve. :-) I run Lenny and not Squeeze (when I would normally be using Squeeze by now) because I have not yet found a desktop that I like anywhere near as much as KDE 3.x.x. Trinity KDE 3.5.11 is looking really promising, and I am hoping that by the time I really have to move up from Lenny with backports, either because some of my hardware is too new or because I really want something in Squeeze and don't want to backport it myself, I shall be able to use Trinity KDE. If not, then at that point I shall just have to choose where to go. > It might be more productive if you shared your "failures" with 10.04 in > case someone on the list can come up with a solution. Thanks again, Steve. That is one of the routes I was considering, but I was afraid of trying people's patience! Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] What would you do, faced with the following advice re Ubuntu
Hi Lisi, On Saturday 25 September 2010 19:25:31 Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 25 September 2010 18:27:52 Steve Wesemeyer wrote: > > So I would go for 10.04 as I wouldn't trust 10.10 at all yet and 8.04 is > > ancient (mind you as you run Debian Lenny you might actually feel more at > > home with that version... only half-kidding) > > Thanks, Steve. :-) > > I run Lenny and not Squeeze (when I would normally be using Squeeze by now) > because I have not yet found a desktop that I like anywhere near as much as > KDE 3.x.x. Trinity KDE 3.5.11 is looking really promising, and I am hoping > that by the time I really have to move up from Lenny with backports, either > because some of my hardware is too new or because I really want something > in Squeeze and don't want to backport it myself, I shall be able to use > Trinity KDE. If not, then at that point I shall just have to choose where > to go. > I used to be a KDE 3.5 fan and hung onto my OpenSUSE 11.1 install for that reason. However, I finally bit the bullet in June and installed 11.3 on my home machines (I run 10.04 with Gnome on my work machines as that's going to be the supported version at the University of Surrey from October). I dislike the default plasma desktop that comes with KDE 4.4 but once I switch to the "Folder View" activity, the "normal" desktop view behaviour was restored and it is actually not too bad. There are some more niggles and it took some getting used to but overall it's running ok now. Have another look at it... you might be surprised how well it works now. Cheers, Steve -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] What would you do, faced with the following advice re Ubuntu
Hello all, first post to this list, and a bit of a lighthearted one at that :-) On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 17:42, Lisi wrote: > Note: this is not for my production desktop, which is still running Lenny. > > Canonical who are the creators of Ubuntu are supporting 8.04 until April 2011 > as well as releasing 10.04. Both versions will work, the differences in 10.04 > LTS compared to the labs in week 2 are subtle. You MUST install Virtual Box > version 3.1.6 or later for 10.04 to work with the additions installation. Isn't it nice that they think you're only ever going to run Ubuntu inside a virtual machine?! It strikes me as ironic that they are teaching a course on our favourite OS, yet assume we're not going to be running it ourselves and therefore require a virtual machine to install it in. (at least they seem to infer that VirtualBox is the preferred environment; but there are many different ways of virtualising these days and virtualbox isn't completely OSS for the die-hard freedom guys. Also, who knows how long before Oracle get their claws into VBox and milk it like a cash cow like they're doing with OpenSolaris?) > Yhe Open University course team are strongly reccomending that you use 8.04. > You are welcome to use 10.04 but with the advisory that it comes with some > risks. > > We have created an addendum pack which can be found in the course resources > page, if you wish to have a go. > > (LTS stands for Long Term Support and is described in the course material) > > > Hardy is really a bit long in the tooth now... > > But the general impression I get is that Maverick, albeit still in Beta, is > generally considered more successful than Lucid. > > I have personally had several "failures" with Lucid. (I got on better with > Jaunty.) > > Should I try to triple boot Hardy, Lucid and Maverick? > > Should I go for one and stick to it? If so which? (Bearing in mind that if I > have a problem with Maverick, which I fancy trying, I shall have to ask for > help since the OU course team are warning me that they can't really support > it!) I've been running maverick since late alpha and have had _many_ software crashes flagged by the apport system. (I've not reported them though because I'm bad bad bad! *slaps wrist*) > Incidentally, so far, the course is a little disappointing. The first week's > work is actually wrong in some of its facts. E.g., Ubuntu shadows Debian > Stable's six monthly release, and is released about a month after it. I kid Debian releases every 6 months?? (my debian knowledge must surely be lacking here, but aren't they on 1) a rolling release cycle for software within each major release and 2) a major release "when it's ready"?) > you not. They really said that. :-( And one page is clearly quoting some > of Microsoft's more inaccurate FUD. :-( It really wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft were on the advisory committee for the drafting of the course content. Maybe I'm just a cynic :-p ho hum, for a first posting this sure turned out political! hello btw, I'm Daniel from Basingstoke :-D -- Regards, The Honeymonster aka Daniel Llewellyn -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] What would you do, faced with the following advice re Ubuntu
On Saturday 25 September 2010 21:59:55 Daniel Llewellyn wrote: > hello btw, > I'm Daniel from Basingstoke :-D Hello, Daniel from Basingstoke. Nice to hear from you!! Welcome. :-) And thanks for your reply. The course is clearly Microsoft biased. They also said that we "needed" Shockwave! When protesting about Shockwave being "needed" for a course about Linux, I got through in the end to the manager of the course team. She said to let her know what I thought of the course, and believe me I shall! Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] What would you do, faced with the following advice re Ubuntu
> The course is clearly Microsoft biased. Which course is this, anyway? > They also said that we "needed" Shockwave! Sounds like there will be some Flash-based video sessions going on. You almost certainly *don't* need Adobe's player. But that won't stop the ignorati from telling you that you do, of course... > When protesting about Shockwave being "needed" for a course about Linux, I > got through in the end to the manager of the course team. She said to > let her know what I thought of the course, and believe me I shall! Unfortunately, you're almost certainly wasting your time. If they've put together a course with that many errors in the initial brief, it's probably not being run by anyone with an interest in teaching things that are actually correct :-( Bah. Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] What would you do, faced with the following advice re Ubuntu
On Saturday 25 September 2010 23:12:23 Vic wrote: > > The course is clearly Microsoft biased. > > Which course is this, anyway? > T155 an introduction to Linux. The beginning is a very easy ride for me (apart from the effect on my blood pressure, but a lot of the later stuff should be useful. > > They also said that we "needed" Shockwave! > > Sounds like there will be some Flash-based video sessions going on. You > almost certainly *don't* need Adobe's player. But that won't stop the > ignorati from telling you that you do, of course... > > > When protesting about Shockwave being "needed" for a course about Linux, > > I got through in the end to the manager of the course team. She said to > > let her know what I thought of the course, and believe me I shall! > > Unfortunately, you're almost certainly wasting your time. If they've put > together a course with that many errors in the initial brief, it's > probably not being run by anyone with an interest in teaching things that > are actually correct :-( > > Bah. Yes, it is very disappointing. :-( Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
