Re: [Hampshire] Trackballs
> > > > Shame they are right handed > > Certainly for left-handed people; but that would be an issue for > Logitech (seems strange to exclude 10% of consumers...) Sounds like a project for the RepRappers ? Could a 3D-printer be used to create a mirror image shell that the working gutts could then be ported into ? -- Bob Dunlop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Trackballs
On Thu, 10 May 2012 14:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Andy Random wrote: > However it is also true that I don't do much work that requires > precision mouse movements like art work, mostly it is just simple > point and click activity. Way back in the remote past (ie 25-30 years ago) when I was doing quite a lot of Cad work I used a thumb controlled trackball for the better accuracy it afforded, then I got a tablet thingy with a pen and threw the trackball away !! Nowadays I use a Logitech M235 wireless mouse that fits in the palm of my hand and have no problems using it. I think it was a good suggestion to rest the elbow on the desk top but there are too many other things in the way, like three keyboards/mice/monitors plus various scrap pads, microfiche and usually a cup of coffee that I have to avoid knocking over ! But I have moved stuff around a bit and will try using the mouse with the elbow supported. Just as well it is a corner style desk that wraps around me to some extent. -- John Lewis Debian & the GeneWeb genealogical data server -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Trackballs
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Michael Pavling wrote: In particular, does anyone have any comments on the thumb controlled versus finger controlled ones? I have had a perference for finger controlled, but the thumb ones seem more common and give the added bonus of scroll wheels and better positioned buttons. I've been using these these for years - and have at each of my regular desks (3 at the moment) and another in my laptop bag) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Trackman-Wheel-Trackball-optical/dp/B5NIMJ/ I much prefer the thumb to middle-finger control as I found the finger control fired-off some RSI in the back of my hand. My experiences are pretty similar to Michael's. Back when we used to sometimes hold meetings at Jamies I bought a couple of trackballs cheap from them. One thumb (Microsoft branded) and one finger (Logitech) controlled and experimented with both. I much prefer the thumb controlled device as I also find the finger controlled one causes strain across the back of my hand. I've since bought another Logitech thumb controlled trackball which looks very similar to the one in the link above, and I find them both comfortable and easier to use on a crowded desk. However it is also true that I don't do much work that requires precision mouse movements like art work, mostly it is just simple point and click activity. Andy -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Trackballs
On 10 May 2012 16:44, David Anderson wrote: > On Thu, 10 May 2012 14:47:04 +0100 > Michael Pavling wrote: > > >> >> I've been using these these for years - and have at each of my regular >> desks (3 at the moment) and another in my laptop bag) >> >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Trackman-Wheel-Trackball-optical/dp/B5NIMJ/ >> >> I much prefer the thumb to middle-finger control as I found the finger >> control fired-off some RSI in the back of my hand. > > Shame they are right handed > > -- > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk > Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire > LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk > -- I have one of those, and experienced the same thumb pain Paul Stimpson reported. I switched to a Kingston Orbit (not mentioned so far I think), which comes with optional wrist support. It has a built-in rotatable cuff that acts as a mouse wheel, and it's ambidextrous. I feel more adept at positioning the cursor with it too. Amazon link below: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kensington-K72337EU-Orbit-Optical-Trackball/dp/B002Q42S4E/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1336665067&sr=1-2 -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Trackballs
On 10 May 2012 16:44, David Anderson wrote: > On Thu, 10 May 2012 14:47:04 +0100 > Michael Pavling wrote: >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Trackman-Wheel-Trackball-optical/dp/B5NIMJ/ > > Shame they are right handed Certainly for left-handed people; but that would be an issue for Logitech (seems strange to exclude 10% of consumers...) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Trackballs
On Thu, 10 May 2012 14:47:04 +0100 Michael Pavling wrote: > > I've been using these these for years - and have at each of my regular > desks (3 at the moment) and another in my laptop bag) > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Trackman-Wheel-Trackball-optical/dp/B5NIMJ/ > > I much prefer the thumb to middle-finger control as I found the finger > control fired-off some RSI in the back of my hand. Shame they are right handed -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Trackballs
On 10 May 2012 16:12, Philip Stubbs wrote: > here is another option. Not seen this before. > http://www.amazon.co.uk/3M-Optical-Ergonomic-Buttons-Medium/dp/B000F2BP7U/ref=sr_1_10?m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1336662531&sr=1-10 One colleague here uses one of these: http://www.posturite.co.uk/mice-keyboard-devices/ergonomic-mice/penguin-mouse.html?gclid=CIeE-NGB9q8CFcQKfAodggQJDQ (but I don't like it! :-) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Trackballs
On 10 May 2012 16:03, Paul Tansom wrote: > Interestingly I've not seen Bob's reply yet! I have preferred the Marble Mouse > concept as I've found using fingers gives tighter control - way back with my > first PC (a laptop) I had a convertable mouse which worked as a mouse one way > up and a trackball the other way. This worked very nicely as a trackball. > Having said that I suspect that the wrist movement on this sort may be little > different to that on my current mouse setup. In this case the thumb wheel > makes > most sense, and I had been looking at the Logitech M570 [1], although I'm not > a > fan of wireless mice and keyboards as the batteries never seem to last very > long for me :( At one point PC World had them on display and you could have a > play, but not anymore it seems :( (Hmm, it's gone up £2 while I've been typing > this!!) > > [1] > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-M570-Wireless-Trackball-Graphite/dp/B0042BBR2S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336075069&sr=8-1 here is another option. Not seen this before. http://www.amazon.co.uk/3M-Optical-Ergonomic-Buttons-Medium/dp/B000F2BP7U/ref=sr_1_10?m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1336662531&sr=1-10 -- Philip Stubbs -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Trackballs
** Alex Dicks [2012-05-10 15:53]: > On 10/05/12 15:14, Bob Dunlop wrote: > >>On 10 May 2012 14:40, Paul Tansom wrote: > >>>In particular, does anyone have any comments on the thumb controlled versus > >>>finger controlled ones? I have had a perference for finger controlled, but > >>>the > >>>thumb ones seem more common and give the added bonus of scroll wheels and > >>>better positioned buttons. > > > >I use a Logitech Marble Mouse USB [1] on the left side at work as an extra > >input with a conventional right side mouse. I use one of the auxillary > >buttons to enable scrolling with the ball so don't miss wheels. > > Exactly the same as my set-up. Logitech G400 on the right, Marble > Mouse on the left. Best of both worlds. ** end quote [Alex Dicks] Interestingly I've not seen Bob's reply yet! I have preferred the Marble Mouse concept as I've found using fingers gives tighter control - way back with my first PC (a laptop) I had a convertable mouse which worked as a mouse one way up and a trackball the other way. This worked very nicely as a trackball. Having said that I suspect that the wrist movement on this sort may be little different to that on my current mouse setup. In this case the thumb wheel makes most sense, and I had been looking at the Logitech M570 [1], although I'm not a fan of wireless mice and keyboards as the batteries never seem to last very long for me :( At one point PC World had them on display and you could have a play, but not anymore it seems :( (Hmm, it's gone up £2 while I've been typing this!!) [1] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-M570-Wireless-Trackball-Graphite/dp/B0042BBR2S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336075069&sr=8-1 -- Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ | 023 9238 0001 Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 | Registered Office: Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants, PO7 6NU -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Trackballs
On 10 May 2012 14:40, Paul Tansom wrote: > Does anyone have any experience of good or otherwise trackballs? I'm At home I have one of these. http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/peripherals/miceandtrackballs/910-000808.html At work I have one of these http://www.kensington.com/kensington/en/gb/p/1444/64325/expert-mouse-optical-trackball.aspx No, it is not worth the extra cost, IMHO. -- Philip Stubbs -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Trackballs
On 05/10/2012 09:40 AM, Paul Tansom wrote: Does anyone have any experience of good or otherwise trackballs? I'm considering getting one due to so I had a similar problem from using a mouse. Strain of the ulnar tendon or more correctly the flexor carpi ulnaris. Caused by holding the mouse without support for the elbow. It took 6 months before it healed. The solution was to move the mouse pad away from the edge of the desk so as to allow the elbow to rest on the desktop while using the mouse. Remove the strain === removal of the pain. YMMV me pain in my right elbow but the choice seems more limited that it used to be. I have some old PS/2 ones, but they don't work over USB and were quite basic anyway. Microsoft don't seem to do them anymore, unless I'm looking at the wrong suppliers. In particular, does anyone have any comments on the thumb controlled versus finger controlled ones? I have had a perference for finger controlled, but the thumb ones seem more common and give the added bonus of scroll wheels and better positioned buttons. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Trackballs
On 10/05/12 15:14, Bob Dunlop wrote: On 10 May 2012 14:40, Paul Tansom wrote: In particular, does anyone have any comments on the thumb controlled versus finger controlled ones? I have had a perference for finger controlled, but the thumb ones seem more common and give the added bonus of scroll wheels and better positioned buttons. I use a Logitech Marble Mouse USB [1] on the left side at work as an extra input with a conventional right side mouse. I use one of the auxillary buttons to enable scrolling with the ball so don't miss wheels. Exactly the same as my set-up. Logitech G400 on the right, Marble Mouse on the left. Best of both worlds. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Trackballs
Hi, On Thu, May 10 at 02:47, Michael Pavling wrote: > On 10 May 2012 14:40, Paul Tansom wrote: > > > > In particular, does anyone have any comments on the thumb controlled versus > > finger controlled ones? I have had a perference for finger controlled, but > > the > > thumb ones seem more common and give the added bonus of scroll wheels and > > better positioned buttons. > > I've been using these these for years - and have at each of my regular > desks (3 at the moment) and another in my laptop bag) > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Trackman-Wheel-Trackball-optical/dp/B5NIMJ/ I use one of those on the right hand side at home. Main reason being a lack of desk space with this particular machine but even a change in position compared with work setups help. I use a Logitech Marble Mouse USB [1] on the left side at work as an extra input with a conventional right side mouse. I use one of the auxillary buttons to enable scrolling with the ball so don't miss wheels. X still sees it as two X/Y wheels so diagonal scrolling is not as smooth as it could be. [1] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-910-000808-Marble-Mouse/dp/B001DQY9AW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336657954&sr=8-1 -- Bob Dunlop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Trackballs
On 10 May 2012 14:47, Michael Pavling wrote: > I've been using these these for years - and have at each of my regular > desks (3 at the moment) and another in my laptop bag) > > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Trackman-Wheel-Trackball-optical/dp/B5NIMJ/ > Same here (well, not three of them) - very nice piece of kit once you get used to it. And it's kind of amusing watching if you ever have a co-worker come and use your machine temporarily ;-) -- best regards, Victor Churchill, Bournemouth -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Trackballs
Hi We have the Logitech finger operated ones at work and I like the quality and feel. http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/peripherals/miceandtrackballs/910-000808.html I've tried the thumb operated ones before but I always found them very hard on the thumb joints and difficult to get precise positioning. I think Logitech may also do hand held gyro mice that tug move in your hand rather than mousing on a surface. Cheers, Paul. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Paul Tansom wrote: Does anyone have any experience of good or otherwise trackballs? I'm considering getting one due to some pain in my right elbow but the choice seems more limited that it used to be. I have some old PS/2 ones, but they don't work over USB and were quite basic anyway. Microsoft don't seem to do them anymore, unless I'm looking at the wrong suppliers. In particular, does anyone have any comments on the thumb controlled versus finger controlled ones? I have had a perference for finger controlled, but the thumb ones seem more common and give the added bonus of scroll wheels and better positioned buttons. -- Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ | 023 9238 0001 Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 | Registered Office: Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants, PO7 6NU -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk _ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Trackballs
On 10 May 2012 14:40, Paul Tansom wrote: > Does anyone have any experience of good or otherwise trackballs? I'm > considering getting one due to some pain in my right elbow but the choice > seems > more limited that it used to be. I have some old PS/2 ones, but they don't > work > over USB and were quite basic anyway. Microsoft don't seem to do them anymore, > unless I'm looking at the wrong suppliers. > > In particular, does anyone have any comments on the thumb controlled versus > finger controlled ones? I have had a perference for finger controlled, but the > thumb ones seem more common and give the added bonus of scroll wheels and > better positioned buttons. I've been using these these for years - and have at each of my regular desks (3 at the moment) and another in my laptop bag) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Trackman-Wheel-Trackball-optical/dp/B5NIMJ/ I much prefer the thumb to middle-finger control as I found the finger control fired-off some RSI in the back of my hand. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Trackballs
Does anyone have any experience of good or otherwise trackballs? I'm considering getting one due to some pain in my right elbow but the choice seems more limited that it used to be. I have some old PS/2 ones, but they don't work over USB and were quite basic anyway. Microsoft don't seem to do them anymore, unless I'm looking at the wrong suppliers. In particular, does anyone have any comments on the thumb controlled versus finger controlled ones? I have had a perference for finger controlled, but the thumb ones seem more common and give the added bonus of scroll wheels and better positioned buttons. -- Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ | 023 9238 0001 Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 | Registered Office: Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants, PO7 6NU -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] REMINDER: Surrey LUG Bring-a-box meeting: 12th May 2012, Nokia (Farnborough)
I've offered Andy a lift from Farnborough Main. That makes four including me, so there's room for just one more in the back seat. Tony Wood (from PC) On 10/05/12 13:02, Andy Random wrote: Hi, On Tue, 8 May 2012, Robert Longstaff wrote: P.S. Don't forget to let the list know, if you haven't already, if you're able to provide lifts from the station(s) or whether someone is able to give you a lift. I could do with a lift from a train station on Saturday, Farnborough Main is probably easiest for me but any train station in the area should be possible. Andy -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] REMINDER: Surrey LUG Bring-a-box meeting: 12th May 2012, Nokia (Farnborough)
Hi, On Tue, 8 May 2012, Robert Longstaff wrote: P.S. Don't forget to let the list know, if you haven't already, if you're able to provide lifts from the station(s) or whether someone is able to give you a lift. I could do with a lift from a train station on Saturday, Farnborough Main is probably easiest for me but any train station in the area should be possible. Andy -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
