[Hampshire] Python GUI
Hi Guys, Can anyone suggest a sensible+working GUI-Builder, etc., for use with Python? Preferably, but not necessarily, one that also works with Ruby and/or Tcl. I now have prototype GUI interfaces attempts built with five different builders, not one of which runs because of some apparently insurmountable bug or missing package/option. FWIW, my most complete prototype was built with Glade-3, but I seem not to have a python GUI package that runs with GTK3. I'd prefer to use Python for this as there are a couple or three appropriate and fairly stable packages that I would like to use, and I'll also be interfacing with some other Python stuff. Gordon. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] UK digital skills report - evolving education to embrace creativity and diversity
sharing this x group because it that good. On 19 Feb 2015, at 07:56, Phillip Bicknell wrote: On 18 February 2015 at 23:47, Lisi Reisz wrote: Qualifications are all very well, but they often don't measure the ability to think and create. Because education stands accused of quashing thinking and creativity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U +1 this is the most articulated explanation of why the approach to education needs to change i’ve ever seen. Although those of us on the autism spectrum might retain the abilities: https://www.ted.com/talks/rosie_king_how_autism_freed_me_to_be_myself?language=en I’m not Autistic, but do suffer a mild dyslexia and i’ve come to the conclusion that its about modes of I/O, more specifically parallel execution, async operation vs in line sequential information processing. In my mind everything is vivid, communicating it is not. I can however see that not all variations of this kind of divergence amplify the creative thought process. I think that's why others like me, find solitude writing software, creating vivid mental models that shift in real time in my head, yet and the ability to express them with a distinct editable syntax in random order and see them simulated means you can be productive and add value in the economy. but that said it is an example of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freakonomics (those predisposed, will or are significantly more likely to) and when you artificially stimulate and control you get artificial results. -- Phillip Bicknell ___ Surrey mailing list sur...@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/surrey http://www.surrey.lug.org.uk -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] UK digital skills report
10 years from now we will simply ask a machine to write software for us I first heard that argument some 40 years ago. It wasn't true then, and it isn't true now. The reason for this is simple - code generation is a purely mechanical process, but defining the solution to the problem space requires semantic understanding, and that is the stuff of sci-fi. Many years ago, I was involved in writing some tools for Z. The idea was that a non-programmer could specify what he wanted, and then the Z compiler would generate the code. The project was a spectacular failure, because it turns out that getting that spec to be complete and accurate is exactly the same job as writing the code - the spec and the implementation can be considered synonymous. And this situation will persist until an AI is created that can properly *understand* a requirement. I don't know if we will ever get to that point - it's not just AI, it's Artificial Consciousness - but it won't happen in my lifetime. There may be more systems, but the natural evolution will concentrate knowledge into fewer and fewer parts. Why? Simple laws of supply and demand imply that any such shrinkage will make the trade more attractive, and so lead to more recruits... the few commodity roles will be passed to the lowest bidder and this will mostly be offshore. Roles are tending to be onshored at the moment - top management is finally beginning to understand that the Man-Month is indeed Mythical. Math has a natural use in all subjects and life skills Not on this side of the Atlantic, it doesn't... Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] UK digital skills report
On Thu, 2015-02-19 at 13:13 +, Joseph Bennie wrote: I think it will then deserve it's name “Lucy. It’s moral essence however, will only be a reflection of ourselves. FWIW, I've long that intelligent machines may be the next significant phase of human evolution. I'm not convinced that evolution demands that we stay in our original physical shell. I doubt I'll ever see it. G. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] UK digital skills report
There was an AI program released in the early 80s called The Last One, so named because it would be the last program one would need to buy (it created programs for you). By coincidence, I was chatting to a former user of that just the other night. It was quite good, by his account. But it went nowhere, because the goal is as close to impossible as makes no difference... Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] UK digital skills report
On 19 Feb 2015, at 12:05, Vic l...@beer.org.uk wrote: 10 years from now we will simply ask a machine to write software for us I first heard that argument some 40 years ago. It wasn't true then, and it isn't true now. The reason for this is simple - code generation is a purely mechanical process, but defining the solution to the problem space requires semantic understanding, and that is the stuff of sci-fi. Until google tried to read all the books and classify all the information on the planet, everyone said it was a pipe dream. (while this will never be 100% its astonishing what has been achieved) I agree with all you say here, its is mechanical and it is about semantic understanding, in the past however it was inconceivable that a computer could be used to read a book thus the method of inputing the preexisting knowledge needed to be specifically coded. Now software to apply learning and matching techniques on a scale never thought possible is already available… and you may have picked up that today Azure Machine Learning just went public. Very soon reading, mapping and analysis of the knowledge in a book we call the internet, will be a fact of life. Many years ago, I was involved in writing some tools for Z. The idea was that a non-programmer could specify what he wanted, and then the Z compiler would generate the code. i haven’t heard of Z since uni, Z was hard work! Modern machine learning is a world apart from Z. The project was a spectacular failure, because it turns out that getting that spec to be complete and accurate is exactly the same job as writing the code - the spec and the implementation can be considered synonymous. And this situation will persist until an AI is created that can properly *understand* a requirement. I don't know if we will ever get to that point - it's not just AI, it's Artificial Consciousness - but it won't happen in my lifetime. I’ve no crystal ball but i do think we can achieve a system that can dream, I think it will then deserve it's name “Lucy. One thing is for sure, we are bio-mechanical so in my mind electro-mechanical is plausible. It’s moral essence however, will only be a reflection of ourselves. There may be more systems, but the natural evolution will concentrate knowledge into fewer and fewer parts. Why? Simple laws of supply and demand imply that any such shrinkage will make the trade more attractive, and so lead to more recruits... the few commodity roles will be passed to the lowest bidder and this will mostly be offshore. Roles are tending to be onshored at the moment - top management is finally beginning to understand that the Man-Month is indeed Mythical. Math has a natural use in all subjects and life skills Not on this side of the Atlantic, it doesn't... Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] UK digital skills report
On 19 Feb 2015, at 13:27, Gordon Scott gor...@gscott.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 2015-02-19 at 13:13 +, Joseph Bennie wrote: I think it will then deserve it's name “Lucy. It’s moral essence however, will only be a reflection of ourselves. FWIW, I've long that intelligent machines may be the next significant phase of human evolution. I'm not convinced that evolution demands that we stay in our original physical shell. Call me romantic, but i’m attached to my shell. I doubt I'll ever see it. G. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Python GUI
http://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/builder.html https://glade.gnome.org/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KrgCrPp3w4 The above might be useful, Glade. From: gor...@gscott.co.uk To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:30:34 + Subject: [Hampshire] Python GUI Hi Guys, Can anyone suggest a sensible+working GUI-Builder, etc., for use with Python? Preferably, but not necessarily, one that also works with Ruby and/or Tcl. I now have prototype GUI interfaces attempts built with five different builders, not one of which runs because of some apparently insurmountable bug or missing package/option. FWIW, my most complete prototype was built with Glade-3, but I seem not to have a python GUI package that runs with GTK3. I'd prefer to use Python for this as there are a couple or three appropriate and fairly stable packages that I would like to use, and I'll also be interfacing with some other Python stuff. Gordon. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] UK digital skills report
On 19/02/15 14:09, Lisi wrote: On Thursday 19 February 2015 13:27:16 Gordon Scott wrote: FWIW, I've long that intelligent machines may be the next significant phase of human evolution. I'm not convinced that evolution demands that we stay in our original physical shell. Without our shells we are not us. But I too have long thought that intelligent, self-reproducing and self-sustaining machines may be the next significant phase of evolution - just that it will no longer involve us. We are rather temporary and fragile, after all. Lisi You've read the Stephen Hawking view on this, of course? (I don't mind being temporary and fragile: it's always been a lot of fun - so far.) -- Tony Wood -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] UK digital skills report
On Thursday 19 February 2015 13:27:16 Gordon Scott wrote: FWIW, I've long that intelligent machines may be the next significant phase of human evolution. I'm not convinced that evolution demands that we stay in our original physical shell. Without our shells we are not us. But I too have long thought that intelligent, self-reproducing and self-sustaining machines may be the next significant phase of evolution - just that it will no longer involve us. We are rather temporary and fragile, after all. Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
