Re: [Hampshire] Where to get Debian computer?
On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 10:56:47 + (UTC), hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
said:
> > Debian 11 ("Bullseye") isn't quite released yet, but it's stable
>
> Perhaps I should wait until it is officially released and allow
> a little time for any bugs to be fixed. I understand KDE is still
> included.
This isn't Microsoft we're talking about. The Debian Bullseye release
right now is way more stable than I remember Windows .1 releases being.
There's no need to wait from a stability perspective.
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Re: [Hampshire] Where to get Debian computer?
Keith Edmunds said:
> Debian 11 ("Bullseye") isn't quite released yet, but it's stable
Perhaps I should wait until it is officially released and allow
a little time for any bugs to be fixed. I understand KDE is still
included.
Gordon Scott said:
> There's an awful lot to be said for just a vacuum around.
But would anyone hear it being said? A vacuum would stop dust
accumulation I suppose; not sure how effective heat radiation
for cooling might be.
> New thermal paste is often a very good idea.
It had dried out completely.
Peter Alefounder.
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Re: [Hampshire] Where to get Debian computer?
On 25/06/2021 12:04, Peter Alefounder via Hampshire wrote: cleaned the heat sink and replaced the thermal paste. There's an awful lot to be said for just a vacuum around. New thermal paste is often a very good idea. G. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Where to get Debian computer?
On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 11:04:14 + (UTC), hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
said:
> I understand a new Debian version has just been produced.
Debian 11 ("Bullseye") isn't quite released yet, but it's stable - I'm
using it every day.
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Re: [Hampshire] Where to get Debian computer?
> I have decided that I can modify my requirements. It seems that > getting a computer with Debian already installed is not possible. > There was a company in the USA that would do that, but they have > gone out of business. In any case, I now think it is not Debian > that provides what I want, but KDE: multiple desktops, focus > follows mouse and Konqueror. Ubuntu can be made usable. > > Aidan said: > > Here's some links that might be worth exploring (in no particular order) > > > > UK, Linux OEM > > https://starlabs.systems/# > > > > https://www.entroware.com/store/ > > > > https://junocomputers.com/uk/ Just in case there is any interest in this: I did not like what either Entroware or Juno Computers had to offer, and instead took the existing machine to Unicorn Electronics in Portswood, where Simeon Rush changed the RAM (I now have 2 x 4GB instead of 2 x 2GB), cleaned the heat sink and replaced the thermal paste. I think dust on the heat sink had led to hot air being directed at the RAM, which may have been causing trouble before. The computer then worked for a short time, when the monitor, or maybe its power supply, failed. It was 19 years old, with a new power supply in 2013. I now have a new monitor. Simeon Rush says he could supply a SSD with an up to date Linux system, an offer I may well accept at some point. I understand a new Debian version has just been produced. Peter Alefounder. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Where to get Debian computer?
On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:52:49 + (UTC), hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk said: > At the moment, I am using a laptop with Ubuntu. I doubt it would be > fast enough to make multiple desktops practical I don't think CPU speed will impact the ability to run multiple desktops. Memory probably would. Easy to try, though! > but please advise on how to make focus follow mouse, that would be useful. Focus follows mouse depends on the window manager. I'm running XFCE, and there it's Settings, Window Manager, Focus tab, select "focus follows mouse". I haven't used any other desktop environment for probably over a decade, but if you're not using XFCE then a Google search will probably help you. -- Great music, chat and even some wit. Join me every Friday evening at 8pm for Keith's Music Box: https://www.mixcloud.com/live/KeithsMusicBox/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Where to get Debian computer?
Simon Reep said: > I think your best bet is to get a barebones computer (Novatech?) and buy a > magazine with a cover DVD Would rather have a machine already set up and working. Chris Sykes said: > If you don't mind buying used, Bargain Hardware will ship you a PC Hmm.. rather not. If I'm getting a new computer, I think one that is actually new one might last longer. Keith Edwards said: > > KDE: multiple desktops, focus > > follows mouse and Konqueror > > You may already realise this, but any Linux distro can do all of those. At the moment, I am using a laptop with Ubuntu. I doubt it would be fast enough to make multiple desktops practical, but please advise on how to make focus follow mouse, that would be useful. Gordon Scott said: > If you do really want KDE, kubuntu may be a better starting point. From reading about this, I think Ubuntu + full KDE just about is kubuntu. Thanks for all the comments. Still awaiting a response from Entroware. Peter Alefounder. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Where to get Debian computer?
On 03/06/2021 12:11, Peter Alefounder via Hampshire wrote: Ubuntu can be made usable. FWIW, I stopped using the main distribution of Ubuntu ages ago, because I dislike their desktop, in favour of xubuntu, which uses a more traditional desktop. For quite a while I installed ubuntu, then jumped through the hoops to get to a "traditional" desktop, before realising that xubuntu (XFCE desktop) did it all for me. If you do really want KDE, kubuntu may be a better starting point. I haven't tried it, so can't comment other than that. YMMV Gordon. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Where to get Debian computer?
On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 11:11:20 + (UTC), hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk said: > KDE: multiple desktops, focus > follows mouse and Konqueror You may already realise this, but any Linux distro can do all of those. Konqueror is the only one even vaguely related to KDE, and it (Konqueror) can be installed on any desktop, such as XFCE - it doesn't need to be KDE. Just fyi. -- Great music, chat and even some wit. Join me every Friday evening at 8pm for Keith's Music Box: https://www.mixcloud.com/live/KeithsMusicBox/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Where to get Debian computer?
Hi Peter, I think your best bet is to get a barebones computer (Novatech?) and buy a magazine with a cover DVD, then install from that. Good luck! Simon Peter Alefounder via Hampshire wrote >I have decided that I can modify my requirements. It seems that >getting a computer with Debian already installed is not possible. >There was a company in the USA that would do that, but they have >gone out of business. In any case, I now think it is not Debian >that provides what I want, but KDE: multiple desktops, focus >follows mouse and Konqueror. Ubuntu can be made usable. > >Aidan said: >> Here's some links that might be worth exploring (in no particular order) >> >> UK, Linux OEM >> https://starlabs.systems/# >> >> https://www.entroware.com/store/ >> >> https://junocomputers.com/uk/ >> >> Overseas, Linux OEM > >Thanks Aidan. I have been exploring those. As far as I can tell >from their web site, Starlabs only do laptops. > >Entroware: have something interesting, looks just like a monitor, >but incorporates a computer as well. It has a sufficient number >of USB ports. Web site says it is out of stock. I have sent an >enquiry about that. > >Juno Computers: have something that might do except the only >video output is HDMI 2.0. My monitor is D-Sub or VGA1. > >As for overseas, I'm not keen on trying to import directly, and >no telling how long it might take. > >Peter Alefounder. > > >-- >Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk >Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire >LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk > Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Where to get Debian computer?
I have decided that I can modify my requirements. It seems that getting a computer with Debian already installed is not possible. There was a company in the USA that would do that, but they have gone out of business. In any case, I now think it is not Debian that provides what I want, but KDE: multiple desktops, focus follows mouse and Konqueror. Ubuntu can be made usable. Aidan said: > Here's some links that might be worth exploring (in no particular order) > > UK, Linux OEM > https://starlabs.systems/# > > https://www.entroware.com/store/ > > https://junocomputers.com/uk/ > > Overseas, Linux OEM Thanks Aidan. I have been exploring those. As far as I can tell from their web site, Starlabs only do laptops. Entroware: have something interesting, looks just like a monitor, but incorporates a computer as well. It has a sufficient number of USB ports. Web site says it is out of stock. I have sent an enquiry about that. Juno Computers: have something that might do except the only video output is HDMI 2.0. My monitor is D-Sub or VGA1. As for overseas, I'm not keen on trying to import directly, and no telling how long it might take. Peter Alefounder. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Where to get Debian computer?
Here's some links that might be worth exploring (in no particular order) UK, Linux OEM https://starlabs.systems/# https://www.entroware.com/store/ https://junocomputers.com/uk/ Overseas, Linux OEM https://system76.com https://slimbook.es/en https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en# https://kfocus.org/ There's also the option of someone like Novatech - https://www.novatech.co.uk/ and then just do your own installation of whatever Linux distro you want. Aidan On 01/06/2021 12:22, Peter Alefounder via Hampshire wrote: My desktop computer has gone wrong. On starting it, I get a brief view of the usual text etc, then the screen goes blank. Holding down F2 is supposed to enter a set-up procedure, but all I get is a short bleep and a blank screen. I think the main board has failed. The machine is now about 7 years old, so probably due for replacement anyway. Where could I get a computer with Debian and KDE (if that is still available)? I would not be connecting this to the internet, and in any case, my connection would not be good enough for downloading a complete system. Hence the requirement for a system already set up and ready to run. The existing machine was made by DNUK, I think they changed their name and may well have vanished. I have just found out that a local repair/construct place, Portswood Computers, has closed down. Internet searches produced some links, but they either don't work or lead to Windows dealers. So, where can Linux machines be obtained these days? I would be grateful for any advice. Peter Alefounder. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Where to get Debian computer?
My desktop computer has gone wrong. On starting it, I get a brief view of the usual text etc, then the screen goes blank. Holding down F2 is supposed to enter a set-up procedure, but all I get is a short bleep and a blank screen. I think the main board has failed. The machine is now about 7 years old, so probably due for replacement anyway. Where could I get a computer with Debian and KDE (if that is still available)? I would not be connecting this to the internet, and in any case, my connection would not be good enough for downloading a complete system. Hence the requirement for a system already set up and ready to run. The existing machine was made by DNUK, I think they changed their name and may well have vanished. I have just found out that a local repair/construct place, Portswood Computers, has closed down. Internet searches produced some links, but they either don't work or lead to Windows dealers. So, where can Linux machines be obtained these days? I would be grateful for any advice. Peter Alefounder. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
