Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering
Sky lease the line from bt don't they? On 25 Jul 2014 21:14, Stephen Davies stephen.dav...@ultraconsulting.co.uk wrote: Well SKY have responded. Here is their response Dear Customer Thank you for your email. I understand your concern about the blocked website. I would request you to contact your Broadband service provider and they will be able to assist you further. I hope this information has helped with your enquiry. If you require any further assistance, you can reply to my email. To help us improve our service, please take a few seconds to answer the question on the following link: http://bit.ly/sky-email Kind regards * Sky Help Centre http://www.sky.com As I feared, they are trying to pass the buck. If someone can enlighten me as to why my ISP can help remove a block that SKY has applied, then I would be grateful. It looks like I will have to revert to OFCOM. Stephen Davies -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering
On 29 July 2014 13:13, Peter B. pet...@gmail.com wrote: Sky lease the line from bt don't they? All ADSL providers lease the copper pairs to the end site from BT Openreach, which is a seperate company (people often forget that / get confused). BT Retail that domestic customer buy ADSL from and BT Business both also rent the pairs from BT Openreach. Ultimately they all belong to the BT Group Plc but just to be clear, everyone on ADSL is at the mercy of Openreach :) I hope that brightened your day ;) Cheers, James. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering
On Tue, 2014-07-29 at 13:50 +0100, James Bensley wrote: All ADSL providers lease the copper pairs to the end site from BT Openreach, With the probable exception of lines in Kingston-upon-Hull, where they have their own telephone network. I doubt that will affect any of us in the Hampshire region, though :-) G. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering
On 2014-07-29 14:32, Gordon Scott wrote: [snip] With the probable exception of lines in Kingston-upon-Hull, where they have their own telephone network. Isn't their Reach most of Yorkshire? I doubt that will affect any of us in the Hampshire region, though :-) Thankfully not. :-P -- Regards, Jan Henkins -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering
On 29 July 2014 14:32, Gordon Scott gor...@gscott.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 2014-07-29 at 13:50 +0100, James Bensley wrote: All ADSL providers lease the copper pairs to the end site from BT Openreach, With the probable exception of lines in Kingston-upon-Hull, where they have their own telephone network. I doubt that will affect any of us in the Hampshire region, though :-) Not for much longer though hopefully! 1 ISP (who's name currently escapes me) is starting to put fibre in the ground. AQL are able to port numbers away from KCOM. The copper is now just a waiting game :) James. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering
Hello, At 19:02 23/07/2014, you wrote: On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:55:51 +0100 Martin N marti...@bluebottle.com wrote: I assume OpenDNS gets around these blocks. Martin OpenDNS has its own filters though I expect so but i expect they will be less Draconian than the get some good publicity Cameron filters. Martin N Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin (17061790) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering
Hello, At 19:06 23/07/2014, you wrote: Martin, Like you I use OpenDNS instead of my ISP's DNS, but that wasn't the point of my post. Yes i understand that. If you have your own website then you should check to see if any of the Major UK ISP's are blocking it. I found that SKY is blocking my Wordpress Blog. So far they have not responded to my request to get it unblocked. If they are blocking it then they have to have a reason. It can't be because their crawlers have read the content of my site because they are all blocked and from the logs, I can't see any SKY domain looking at my site to determine its contents. Which is always the problem with automatic filtering it catches plenty of false positives. For the system to work effectively it needs to have a clear reporting system. Which of course the Cameron filters dont. While I agree with the objectives of stopping children from accessing the nastier side of the internet, blocking sites that are nothing more than a BLOG simply because a blog could contain bad stuff just ain't on IMHO. My site contains nothing more than a load of stories that I have written over the years. So why block it. Kids at the school i worked at knew how to get around filters at school. Yes you need some basic filtering to stop casual interest but its very difficult to stop kids seeing the nastier side of the net. From what I've read, I am far from the only Blog owner that has this happen. This also happens with the Digital millenium Act? in america were sites have been blocked for 2 years despite not having music or TV copyrighted material. Again no system to challenge the automated blocking. Martin New NSA Slogan: We work to ensure your safety. Don't Worry We Have Your Back[door] -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering
Well SKY have responded. Here is their response Dear Customer Thank you for your email. I understand your concern about the blocked website. I would request you to contact your Broadband service provider and they will be able to assist you further. I hope this information has helped with your enquiry. If you require any further assistance, you can reply to my email. To help us improve our service, please take a few seconds to answer the question on the following link: http://bit.ly/sky-email Kind regards * Sky Help Centre http://www.sky.com As I feared, they are trying to pass the buck. If someone can enlighten me as to why my ISP can help remove a block that SKY has applied, then I would be grateful. It looks like I will have to revert to OFCOM. Stephen Davies -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering
Hello, At 14:42 23/07/2014, you wrote: There were a lot of posts on the Interwebs about the fact that most people are not using the mandatory [redacted] filters at the ISP's. Some of the commenters complained that the likes of Talk-Talk were blocking their wordpress blogs for no good reason other than the fact that they were running Wordpress. Apparently according to NNSquad email I got, only talktalk got above 10% of people to sign up. The rest were like 4 or 5% I assume OpenDNS gets around these blocks. Martin New NSA Slogan: We work to ensure your safety. Don't Worry We Have Your Back[door] -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering
I checked my self hosted WordPress blog and it was fine, is WordPress really the reason? Anton -- Anton Piatek http://www.strangeparty.com No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message, however, a significant number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. On 23 Jul 2014 17:41, Stephen Davies stephen.dav...@ultraconsulting.co.uk wrote: There were a lot of posts on the Interwebs about the fact that most people are not using the mandatory [redacted] filters at the ISP's. Some of the commenters complained that the likes of Talk-Talk were blocking their wordpress blogs for no good reason other than the fact that they were running Wordpress. I checked my blog via https://www.blocked.org.uk and found that Sky were blocking it. I have requested that the block is removed or at least they explain why it is blocked. If they decline to unblock it then I'll have good really ammo to fire at them the next time someone tries to get me to sign up for Sky. If you have a wordpress blog then you might like to check that it is not being blocked by an ISP. Regards, Stephen D PS, just updated the MacMini that runs the blog to CentOS 7. I'm really glad that I don't install a GUI on this box. Long live Gnome 2! -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 14:42:19 +0100, stephen.dav...@ultraconsulting.co.uk said: most people are not using the mandatory [redacted] filters at the ISP's. I like AA's approach. When you sign up for an account with them, you're asked (as you must be now) whether you want a filtered connection. If you answer yes, they refuse to take you as a customer. AA don't filter. -- Blog: http://goo.gl/iOwv1w You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering
Nice Anton -- Anton Piatek http://www.strangeparty.com No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message, however, a significant number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. On 23 Jul 2014 18:45, Keith Edmunds k...@midnighthax.com wrote: On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 14:42:19 +0100, stephen.dav...@ultraconsulting.co.uk said: most people are not using the mandatory [redacted] filters at the ISP's. I like AA's approach. When you sign up for an account with them, you're asked (as you must be now) whether you want a filtered connection. If you answer yes, they refuse to take you as a customer. AA don't filter. -- Blog: http://goo.gl/iOwv1w You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:55:51 +0100 Martin N marti...@bluebottle.com wrote: I assume OpenDNS gets around these blocks. Martin OpenDNS has its own filters though -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering
Martin, Like you I use OpenDNS instead of my ISP's DNS, but that wasn't the point of my post. If you have your own website then you should check to see if any of the Major UK ISP's are blocking it. I found that SKY is blocking my Wordpress Blog. So far they have not responded to my request to get it unblocked. If they are blocking it then they have to have a reason. It can't be because their crawlers have read the content of my site because they are all blocked and from the logs, I can't see any SKY domain looking at my site to determine its contents. While I agree with the objectives of stopping children from accessing the nastier side of the internet, blocking sites that are nothing more than a BLOG simply because a blog could contain bad stuff just ain't on IMHO. My site contains nothing more than a load of stories that I have written over the years. So why block it. From what I've read, I am far from the only Blog owner that has this happen. Stephen D Original Message Subject:Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:55:51 +0100 From: Martin N marti...@bluebottle.com To: stephen.dav...@ultraconsulting.co.uk, Hampshire LUG Discussion List hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Hello, At 14:42 23/07/2014, you wrote: There were a lot of posts on the Interwebs about the fact that most people are not using the mandatory [redacted] filters at the ISP's. Some of the commenters complained that the likes of Talk-Talk were blocking their wordpress blogs for no good reason other than the fact that they were running Wordpress. Apparently according to NNSquad email I got, only talktalk got above 10% of people to sign up. The rest were like 4 or 5% I assume OpenDNS gets around these blocks. Martin New NSA Slogan: We work to ensure your safety. Don't Worry We Have Your Back[door] -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering
is it coincidence that I received, today, an email from the Department of Dirty that stated?: QUOTE The Department of Dirty is working with internet and mobile companies to stop the dirty internet. We are committed to protecting children and adults from online filth such as: - Talk to Frank http://www.talktofrank.com/: This government website tries to educate young people about drugs. We all know what ‘education’ means, don’t we? Blocked by Three. - Girl Guides Essex http://www.girlguidingessexne.org.uk/: They say, ‘guiding is about acquiring skills for life’. We say, why would young girls need skills? Blocked by BT. - South London Refugee Association http://www.asylumwelcome.org.uk/: This charity aims to relieve poverty and distress. Not on our watch they don’t. Blocked by BT, EE, Sky and VirginMedia We need you to help us take a stand against blogs, charities and education websites, all of which are being blocked [1]. It’s time to stop this sick filth. Together, we can clean up the internet. *www.departmentofdirty.co.uk http://www.departmentofdirty.co.uk/* On 23 July 2014 19:06, Stephen Davies stephen.dav...@ultraconsulting.co.uk wrote: Martin, Like you I use OpenDNS instead of my ISP's DNS, but that wasn't the point of my post. If you have your own website then you should check to see if any of the Major UK ISP's are blocking it. I found that SKY is blocking my Wordpress Blog. So far they have not responded to my request to get it unblocked. If they are blocking it then they have to have a reason. It can't be because their crawlers have read the content of my site because they are all blocked and from the logs, I can't see any SKY domain looking at my site to determine its contents. While I agree with the objectives of stopping children from accessing the nastier side of the internet, blocking sites that are nothing more than a BLOG simply because a blog could contain bad stuff just ain't on IMHO. My site contains nothing more than a load of stories that I have written over the years. So why block it. From what I've read, I am far from the only Blog owner that has this happen. Stephen D Original Message Subject: Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:55:51 +0100 From: Martin N marti...@bluebottle.com marti...@bluebottle.com To: stephen.dav...@ultraconsulting.co.uk, Hampshire LUG Discussion List hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Hello, At 14:42 23/07/2014, you wrote: There were a lot of posts on the Interwebs about the fact that most people are not using the mandatory [redacted] filters at the ISP's. Some of the commenters complained that the likes of Talk-Talk were blocking their wordpress blogs for no good reason other than the fact that they were running Wordpress. Apparently according to NNSquad email I got, only talktalk got above 10% of people to sign up. The rest were like 4 or 5% I assume OpenDNS gets around these blocks. Martin New NSA Slogan: We work to ensure your safety. Don't Worry We Have Your Back[door] -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Daniel Llewellyn -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] ISP Filtering
I like AA's approach. When you sign up for an account with them, you're asked (as you must be now) whether you want a filtered connection. If you answer yes, they refuse to take you as a customer. AA don't filter. That's awesome. I've just signed up with AA this week[1]. They asked me if I wanted filtering, and I answered that I didn't. I got the old on your own head be it response. I'm glad this was the right one :-) Vic. [1] Eclipse did the last straw thing when they told me they could not tolerate the thing they are doing right now, and have been for 8 years. if anyone asks about joining Eclipse - persuade them otherwise... -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
