Re: [Hardhats-members] Volume Sets

2005-03-23 Thread Greg Kreis




Thanks for the run down.  I am creating the acculturation CD that
bhaskar recommended.  Sounds like quite a different culture to adopt. 
Must have been fun to map the Kernel to this platform  ;-) ;-)

Jim Self wrote:

  Greg Kreis wrote:
  
  
I can understand that the Volume concept is handled by the idea of a 
path in Linux, right?]

  
  
It's been more than 20 years since I worked on DSM, so their concept of UCI (User Class
Identifier) and volume sets is not very fresh in my mind. Still, I am pretty sure the
answer is no.

  
  
Hmm... Are the globals just Linux files?

  
  
No, again. Globals are stored in special data files with .dat extention. The default
installations put all globals into a single mumps.dat file but in production systems you
would generally break out large globals into separate files, like patients.dat and
mail.dat, or groups several related medium sized globals together in one file. The
different .dat files can have different ownership and permissions settings and different
settings for journalling as well so some could be configured read only for most users or
optimized for use as temporary scratch space, etc.

  
  
If so, 
wouldn't the directory take the place of the UCI?

  
  
A globals directory is actually a special file (mumps.gld, by default) that describes a
set of .dat files and how globals will be mapped to them.

  
  
But I guess the next 
question is how is this exposed inside GT.M?

  
  
The current global directory is held in the variable $zgbldir and the current routine
mapping is in $zroutines. You can NEW these variables and SET them to different values to
temporarily reference a different mapping of globals and/or routines. They are initialized
with the environment variables gtmgbldir and gtmroutines.

I think I recall that you can also reference a global directory explicitly via extended
global syntax (i.e. ^[gbldir]gloname), but I haven't had occasion to use that in a very
long time.


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Re: [Hardhats-members] Needed: fresh copy of DIS1.m

2005-03-23 Thread Jim Self
I modified DIS1 per George's instruction and tested with a simple search on 
ENTERED_BY as
Kevin did before. It appears to work correctly now where it did not before. You 
can view
the modified routine at http://vista.vmth.ucdavis.edu/rtn/DIS1. The link below 
will now
download the modified version.

I wrote:
>You really should take a look at your GT.M error log or look for a recent 
>error dump file
>or try to repeat the error from programmer mode direct to Fileman so you can 
>see exactly
>what the error is and correct it.
>
>You can get a copy of DIS1.m from http://vista.vmth.ucdavis.edu/rtn/DIS1.m
>
>Change the routine name to get a copy of the source code for any other routine 
>on that
>server. Change the .m extension to .html (or remove it) to get a view of the 
>same routine
>that is syntax colored and hypertext linked.
>
>The routines (and data) on that server are from the OpenVistASemiViVA0.4 
>distribution,
>except for the M2Web files that are more recent.
>
>Kevin wrote:
>>I was adding the patch provided by George Timson, and
>>now my search program is dropping out.  I had made a
>>copy of the line I changed, but I apparently must have
>>introduced some bad character somewhere.  It is now
>>dropping back to the GTM prompt right after it asks me
>>the output device.
>>
>>Could someone send me an unadulterated copy of DIS1.m
>>
>>Thanks
>>Kevin

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Re: [Hardhats-members] Revival of the MDC?

2005-03-23 Thread Jim Self
Ed, thanks for your contribution to this discussion and thanks again for all 
the work you
and Kate and many others contributed over the years to the MDC and to making 
the MUMPS
language enduringly useful.

I strongly agree with your remarks on the necessity of having a core group of 
implementors
committed to timely implementation of the standards. I also agree with the idea 
that the
lack of implementation of the most recent standards is an indication that the 
MDC has
outlived its usefulness.

Given that there are now several Open Source implementations of MUMPS, I could 
see a new
and decidedly different MDC built around them - if there were a group of 
developers
committed to actively developing and implementing the new standards.


Ed de Moel wrote:
>I intended to be present at the discussions in Boston, however,
>a more pressing matter involves that I'll be in Odessa (Ukraine)
>that week, so I had to cancel travel plans to Boston.
>
>To all who are there: all the best and enjoy the festif\vities around
>the eve of $Horolog=60,000.
>
>Here's what this message is about:
>
>Every now and then I get contacted with questions about the
>current status of the MDC. And every now and then there is
>a suggestion to "revive" the committee.
>
>The current status of the committee is:
> - it still exists
> - the most recent meeting was in September 1999
>   (during this meeting only organizational issues were discussed)
> - the most recent meeting where there was a discussion
>   of any techinical issues was in September 1998
> - depending on the criteria to determine membership,
>   current membership is any number of institutions
>   (not individuals) between 6 and 23.
>
>My personal opinion about the MDC is:
> - The committee "as we know it" has served its purpose
>   and currently has no purpose anymore.
> - If a roster of work could be defined for a new organization
>   that would build upon the work of the MDC, it is better
>   to shut down the MDC and start a new organization with
>   its own mission and its own bylaws.
> - Converting the MDC into a new organization without
>   violating any of the bylaws of the MDC is close to
>   impossible.
>
>Further background:
>
>There are many models on which a Standards Developing
>Organization (SDO) can be based. We are familiar with the models
>of ANSI and ISO, and we are aware of the models used by IEEE, w3c
>and DICOM. However, there is one aspect that is common to all
>standards and models of operation: there is a group of
>implementors who are committed (either voluntarily as in ANSI and
>ISO, or by contract as in DICOM and some subgroups of IEEE) to
>implement any changes to the standard within a certain amount of
>time after the publication of a new standard.
>
>The MDC published its last official standard in 1995. This
>standard has been implemented fully in only one implementation
>(DSM), which is currently no longer supported. All
>implementations that are currently on the market did not
>implement one or more details from this standard. Since the
>commercial success of all of these implementations is sufficient
>for the needs of their users and implementors, there are are not
>even plans to implement the remaining details.
>
>As fas as the other MUMPS related standards is concerned
>(OMI, GKS Binding, X-Window binding, MWAPI): OMI is still
>supported by some vendors, but I am not aware that any of the
>other standards is still actively supported by any vendor.
>
>After the 1995 MDC standard became official, well over 100
>modifications to that standard were approved by the MDC, and
>almost none of these have been implemented by any implementor.
>Clearly, there is no group of implementors who are committed to
>implementing any of the MDC's standards, and therefore it is my
>opinion that the MDC as a committee has outlived its usefulness
>and ought to be formally dissolved.
>
>Note that, whether or not an MDC exists, the ISO standards will
>continue to exist, until ISO votes them out of existence. In the
>fall of 2005, ISO will review the status of the MDC documents,
>and, as far as I know, the recommendations from the various
>member countries are to re-affirm the documents (Language Standard,
>OMI and MWAPI) with the intent to stabilize them, in other words,
>it looks like ISO will retain the standards for the forseeable
>future. Also, as long as these documents are ISO standards,
>the copyrights for the documents will remain at ISO.
>
>Of course, if the MDC decides to dissolve itself, appropriate
>notice should be given to ISO, and a decision should be made
>as to who would become (or remain) responsible for the maintance
>the new documents. The current MDC liaison and project editor
>is Kate Schell.
>
>Aside note: the current document editor for the draft MDC Standards
>is Ed de Moel.
>
>
>Respectfully submitted,
>Ed de Moel
>Secretary of the MDC.

---
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Systems Architect, Lead Developer
VMTH Computer Servic

RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: A parallel strategy for evolving VistA

2005-03-23 Thread Cameron Schlehuber
It's not in VistA.  But I've posted a couple of PowerPoint presentations at
ftp.va.gov/vista/vistadocs/GCPR-FHIE-CHDR-etc/ 

Some of the early Health Data Repository stuff will be available, hopefully
a few months.

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Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: A parallel strategy for evolving VistA

Cameron Schlehuber wrote:
>I too am a fan of the architecture that Rich describes.  There are certain
>elements of it that were used (through a very different set of
>circumstances) in the FHIE project (and now with several projects that have
>derived from that framework.)  The simplicity of the structure coupled with
>the complexity permitted in the associations using a powerful reference
>terminology make it one of the most appealing architectures.

Can you point me to some specific examples, preferably in the OpenVistA
distributions if
possible? Perhaps the RMRS or something like it could be revived in
OpenVistA.

>Until about a dozen years ago, every major package in VistA was
>"re-engineered" every 6 to 18 months when major package "versions" were
>released.  It was a sad day when major versions were no longer to be
>permitted except in the rarest of circumstances.

Sad indeed. :( One would hope that this policy could be reversed with the
infusion of a
little enlightened practicality in VA management.

What is HDR, mentioned below? Is their standardization work available or
going to be?

>-Original Message-
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>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]


>For many years, here at Indianapolis, we used a system called RMRS. It was
a
>clinical repository,
>written in M, that was loosely based on the Regenstrief Medical Record
>system, which was originally
>created at the Regenstrief Institute.
>
>At the heart of this system is a single M-based file, that stores 27
>different types of clinical data
>in a standardized way.
>
>It is fed its data by HL7 messages, from Vista, or, any commercial package
>that sends the data in the
>proper HL7 format.
>
>The file is easily queryable on a patient by patient basis, or across the
>entire file, to
>identify cohorts of patients, as described above.
>
>The system could even be programmed to page physicians, when laboratory
>results on their patients
>were outside reference values.
>
>The system was abandoned, mainly because the lead developer left the VA,
and
>because Vista did not
>contain the necessary mapping tools to map non-standard terms to standard
>ones in an efficient
>manner. Mapping them manually, was not impossible, but it was resource
>intensive.
>
>These same issues have resurfaced 10 years later with the HDR, but this
time
>a properly resourced team of Data Standardization people has been assembled
>to revisit the issue. And so we are "back to the future" in a sense.
>
>My point is, that Vista could be much simplified, with an architecture like
>this, if it were redesigned
>with "lessons learned" taken into consideration. It could be done in M,
>because after all, it has
>already been done once in M.
>
>Finally, I will tell you that I am not the person best qualified to
>proselytize on this system. Nor am
>I sure the original developer has any further interst in the system. I am
>simply saying that I am a fan 
>of the architecture.

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[Hardhats-members] Revival of the MDC?

2005-03-23 Thread Ed de Moel
I intended to be present at the discussions in Boston, however,
a more pressing matter involves that I'll be in Odessa (Ukraine)
that week, so I had to cancel travel plans to Boston.
To all who are there: all the best and enjoy the festif\vities around
the eve of $Horolog=60,000.
Here's what this message is about:
Every now and then I get contacted with questions about the
current status of the MDC. And every now and then there is
a suggestion to "revive" the committee.
The current status of the committee is:
- it still exists
- the most recent meeting was in September 1999
  (during this meeting only organizational issues were discussed)
- the most recent meeting where there was a discussion
  of any techinical issues was in September 1998
- depending on the criteria to determine membership,
  current membership is any number of institutions
  (not individuals) between 6 and 23.
My personal opinion about the MDC is:
- The committee "as we know it" has served its purpose
  and currently has no purpose anymore.
- If a roster of work could be defined for a new organization
  that would build upon the work of the MDC, it is better
  to shut down the MDC and start a new organization with
  its own mission and its own bylaws.
- Converting the MDC into a new organization without
  violating any of the bylaws of the MDC is close to
  impossible.
Further background:
There are many models on which a Standards Developing
Organization (SDO) can be based. We are familiar with the models
of ANSI and ISO, and we are aware of the models used by IEEE, w3c
and DICOM. However, there is one aspect that is common to all
standards and models of operation: there is a group of
implementors who are committed (either voluntarily as in ANSI and
ISO, or by contract as in DICOM and some subgroups of IEEE) to
implement any changes to the standard within a certain amount of
time after the publication of a new standard.
The MDC published its last official standard in 1995. This
standard has been implemented fully in only one implementation
(DSM), which is currently no longer supported. All
implementations that are currently on the market did not
implement one or more details from this standard. Since the
commercial success of all of these implementations is sufficient
for the needs of their users and implementors, there are are not
even plans to implement the remaining details.
As fas as the other MUMPS related standards is concerned
(OMI, GKS Binding, X-Window binding, MWAPI): OMI is still
supported by some vendors, but I am not aware that any of the
other standards is still actively supported by any vendor.
After the 1995 MDC standard became official, well over 100
modifications to that standard were approved by the MDC, and
almost none of these have been implemented by any implementor.
Clearly, there is no group of implementors who are committed to
implementing any of the MDC's standards, and therefore it is my
opinion that the MDC as a committee has outlived its usefulness
and ought to be formally dissolved.
Note that, whether or not an MDC exists, the ISO standards will
continue to exist, until ISO votes them out of existence. In the
fall of 2005, ISO will review the status of the MDC documents,
and, as far as I know, the recommendations from the various
member countries are to re-affirm the documents (Language Standard,
OMI and MWAPI) with the intent to stabilize them, in other words,
it looks like ISO will retain the standards for the forseeable
future. Also, as long as these documents are ISO standards,
the copyrights for the documents will remain at ISO.
Of course, if the MDC decides to dissolve itself, appropriate
notice should be given to ISO, and a decision should be made
as to who would become (or remain) responsible for the maintance
the new documents. The current MDC liaison and project editor
is Kate Schell.
Aside note: the current document editor for the draft MDC Standards
is Ed de Moel.
Respectfully submitted,
Ed de Moel
Secretary of the MDC.
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RE: [Hardhats-members] redesign in M (was: MDC Revival)

2005-03-23 Thread Jim Self
Sowinski, Richard J. wrote:
>When did everyone get so dumb ? You learned M. I learned M. When did it all
>of a sudden get so difficult to learn it ?
>Are you saying we were smarter than the upcoming generation ? I don't think
>so.

I agree. MUMPS was the easiest to learn programming language of any of the two 
dozen or so
languages that I was once acquainted with. Of course that was before Macintosh 
and GUI
toolkits came into fashion.


>The real problem with Vista right now is not the language. It is the shear
>size of it, and the rat's nest of poorly documented code
>under the hood, which is the result of years of patching already patched
>code. I liken it to a huge wad of gum.
>
>A redesign in M is as valid as a redesign in any other language. In fact, it
>would be much simpler. VA already has the installed base,
>and the in-house expertise.

I think the biggest advantage to such an approach would be conservation of 
human resources
and more effective use and retention of in-house expertise. I would also think 
that a
certain amount of redesign in MUMPS would be required in order to facilitate the
transitional development of the VistaLink project or any other comprehensive 
reworking of
VistA.

One of the reasons why I keep trying to get VA developers and other MUMPS 
programmers
interested in working with M2Web is that it can provide them a pathway for 
incrementally
upgrading their programming skills and capabilities that is fundamentally 
easier and more
manageable and at the same time more productive than other alternatives that I 
am aware of
for moving beyond a dumb terminal interface. 

Programmers don't have to forget their knowledge of MUMPS while they attempt to 
fill their
heads with volumes of new knowledge about Java or C# or even HTML and 
Javascript. To start
with, if they know how to produce reports for a printer, they can do basic 
output for the
web with only the definition of a simple device type for HTML. Then with use of 
a small
number of additional functions they can produce more richly formatted documents 
with
hyperlinks and from there they could then very quickly make all existing 
reports available
on the web - working primarily with skills and knowledge they already have.

Of course, if you want to move beyond programming dumb terminals, there is a 
lot to learn
any way you go, but developing web applications, as with M2Web, gives you a 
relatively
smooth path forward of working with existing skills and knowledge while 
developing new ones.


>We'll find out 10 years from now (maybe) when the current redesign is
>finished, how well it works , and how many people it takes to
>support it.
>
>Oh yeah, by the way, outsourcing has worked really well. CoreFLS was a grand
>success.

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RE: [Hardhats-members] More Wikki content

2005-03-23 Thread Dee Knapp


Hey, who are you talking about!! ;)
...Dee 


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Gotta keep an eye on those "redheads"...  ;-) 

On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:28 am, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
> OK OK.  Good point.
>
> "The" wikki is the WorldVista wikki.
>
> http://openforum.worldvista.org/~forum/index.php?title=Main_Page
>
> Kevin
>
> --- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:01 am, Kevin
> >
> > Toppenberg wrote:
> > > I have also summarized the excellent responses
> > > regarding Linux backup options, and the wealth of
> > > links on the wikki.
> > >
> > > The path is:
> > > Main Page (Installation guides,hardware issues)
> >
> > -->
> >
> > > Setting up Backup for Linux box (esp with DVD)
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > >
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RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: A parallel strategy for evolving VistA

2005-03-23 Thread Jim Self
Cameron Schlehuber wrote:
>I too am a fan of the architecture that Rich describes.  There are certain
>elements of it that were used (through a very different set of
>circumstances) in the FHIE project (and now with several projects that have
>derived from that framework.)  The simplicity of the structure coupled with
>the complexity permitted in the associations using a powerful reference
>terminology make it one of the most appealing architectures.

Can you point me to some specific examples, preferably in the OpenVistA 
distributions if
possible? Perhaps the RMRS or something like it could be revived in OpenVistA.

>Until about a dozen years ago, every major package in VistA was
>"re-engineered" every 6 to 18 months when major package "versions" were
>released.  It was a sad day when major versions were no longer to be
>permitted except in the rarest of circumstances.

Sad indeed. :( One would hope that this policy could be reversed with the 
infusion of a
little enlightened practicality in VA management.

What is HDR, mentioned below? Is their standardization work available or going 
to be?

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]


>For many years, here at Indianapolis, we used a system called RMRS. It was a
>clinical repository,
>written in M, that was loosely based on the Regenstrief Medical Record
>system, which was originally
>created at the Regenstrief Institute.
>
>At the heart of this system is a single M-based file, that stores 27
>different types of clinical data
>in a standardized way.
>
>It is fed its data by HL7 messages, from Vista, or, any commercial package
>that sends the data in the
>proper HL7 format.
>
>The file is easily queryable on a patient by patient basis, or across the
>entire file, to
>identify cohorts of patients, as described above.
>
>The system could even be programmed to page physicians, when laboratory
>results on their patients
>were outside reference values.
>
>The system was abandoned, mainly because the lead developer left the VA, and
>because Vista did not
>contain the necessary mapping tools to map non-standard terms to standard
>ones in an efficient
>manner. Mapping them manually, was not impossible, but it was resource
>intensive.
>
>These same issues have resurfaced 10 years later with the HDR, but this time
>a properly resourced team of Data Standardization people has been assembled
>to revisit the issue. And so we are "back to the future" in a sense.
>
>My point is, that Vista could be much simplified, with an architecture like
>this, if it were redesigned
>with "lessons learned" taken into consideration. It could be done in M,
>because after all, it has
>already been done once in M.
>
>Finally, I will tell you that I am not the person best qualified to
>proselytize on this system. Nor am
>I sure the original developer has any further interst in the system. I am
>simply saying that I am a fan 
>of the architecture.

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Re: [Hardhats-members] Volume Sets

2005-03-23 Thread Jim Self
Greg Kreis wrote:
>I can understand that the Volume concept is handled by the idea of a 
>path in Linux, right?]

It's been more than 20 years since I worked on DSM, so their concept of UCI 
(User Class
Identifier) and volume sets is not very fresh in my mind. Still, I am pretty 
sure the
answer is no.

>Hmm... Are the globals just Linux files?

No, again. Globals are stored in special data files with .dat extention. The 
default
installations put all globals into a single mumps.dat file but in production 
systems you
would generally break out large globals into separate files, like patients.dat 
and
mail.dat, or groups several related medium sized globals together in one file. 
The
different .dat files can have different ownership and permissions settings and 
different
settings for journalling as well so some could be configured read only for most 
users or
optimized for use as temporary scratch space, etc.

>If so, 
>wouldn't the directory take the place of the UCI?

A globals directory is actually a special file (mumps.gld, by default) that 
describes a
set of .dat files and how globals will be mapped to them.

>But I guess the next 
>question is how is this exposed inside GT.M?

The current global directory is held in the variable $zgbldir and the current 
routine
mapping is in $zroutines. You can NEW these variables and SET them to different 
values to
temporarily reference a different mapping of globals and/or routines. They are 
initialized
with the environment variables gtmgbldir and gtmroutines.

I think I recall that you can also reference a global directory explicitly via 
extended
global syntax (i.e. ^[gbldir]gloname), but I haven't had occasion to use that 
in a very
long time.


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Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista FOIA Install

2005-03-23 Thread Nancy Anthracite
And I put in some older than dirt entries.

On Wednesday 23 March 2005 03:49 pm, Cameron Schlehuber wrote:
> I updated a couple of the older entries.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Toppenberg
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:42 PM
> To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista FOIA Install
>
> I set up a framework for you.  Could you just fill in
> the details (i.e. the version numbers)?
>
> http://openforum.worldvista.org/~forum/index.php?title=CPRS_Installation#CP
>R S_Versions
>
> Kevin
>
> --- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, that last one came back like a mess when I got
> > it so here it is again:
> >
> > You can find version 1.0.25.28 in the OR_30_195.zip
> > dated 2/9/05 on the
> > www.va.gov/vista web site under Packages, Order
> > Entry-Results Reporting dated
> > Feb 9, 2005.
> >
> > And yes, Kevin, you are right.  I didn't make that
> > list for the wiki yet. :-(
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[Hardhats-members] Software, hospital's new battleground

2005-03-23 Thread Nancy Anthracite
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2005/tc20050321_4318_tc024.htm

Note the reference to IDX and note the location of IDX on this page: 

http://www.vistasoftware.org/about/members/


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Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Nancy Anthracite
Synaptic is slower but very nice and user friendly front end for the apt 
package manager.  I used it when I was using Red Hat and didn't move to apt 
until I moved to Debian and got more comfortable with Linux.  This page will 
tell you how to get it and install it, and then you will be in good shape to 
quit worrying about these commands you don't use often enough to remember!

http://voidmain.is-a-geek.net/redhat/redhat_9_apt-get_must_have.html


On Wednesday 23 March 2005 02:46 pm, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
> No I am not familiar with apt.  Someone else had
> posted instructions for using it too.  But I don't
> know how to install the system.
>
> Kevin
>
> --- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I found an apt repository for the RPM of that for
> > red hat 9 with the info on
> > this page.
> > http://k3b.plainblack.com/index.pl/download#93
> >
> > Are you familiar with apt? Assuming you have apt
> > installed, enter the
> > appropriate lines in that file next to the * and
> > then, as root
> >
> > apt-get update
> > apt-get install k3b
>
> 
>
> > * apt - /etc/apt/sources.list
> >
> > rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i386 stable
> > bleeding
> > rpm-src http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i386 stable
> > bleeding
> >
> >   or
> >
> > rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i686 stable
> > bleeding
> > rpm-src http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i686 stable
> > bleeding
> >
> >   or
> >
> > rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 athlon stable
> > bleeding
> > rpm-src http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 athlon stable
> > bleeding
> >
> >   depending on the architecture.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:34 am, Kevin
> >
> > Toppenberg wrote:
> > > After the great advice given on this board, I have
> > > decided to get k3b going.  I did cdrecord
> >
> > --scanbus,
> >
> > > and sure enough my DVD is there.
> > >
> > > I got the k3b source from:
> > > http://www.k3b.org/
> > >
> > > The problem is that I need to compile it from
> >
> > source,
> >
> > > because there is no recent precompiled binary
> > > available for RH9.  I have never done this before,
> >
> > so
> >
> > > I am a bit timid.
> > >
> > > I have extracted the source files to a directory,
> >
> > as
> >
> > > the instructions advice.  The next step is to
> > > configure the source with:
> > > # ./configure
> > >
> > > But here is my screenlog:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] kdt0p]# cd dvd+rw-tools/
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ls
> > > btcflash.cpp dvd+rw-mediainfo.cpp
> >
> > growisofs.o
> >
> > >  Makefile.m4
> > > dvd-ram-control.cpp  dvd+rw-tools.spec
> >
> > index.html
> >
> > >  rpl8.cpp
> > > dvd+rw-booktype.cpp  growisofs.1   LICENSE
> > >  transport.hxx
> > > dvd+rw-format.cppgrowisofs.c
> >
> > Makefile
> >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ./configure
> > > -bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> > >
> > > What am I doing wrong?
> > >
> > > Thanks
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Another option plus RE: Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Mark Street
On Wednesday 23 March 2005 11:20, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
> Bhaskar said that there is a command like 'mupip
> --backup' that achieves this.

mupip backup

You are then prompted for a REGION 
and BACKUP DIR.

From what I can tell it will handle the extra parameters on the command line.  
Cool...

mupip backup US /backup/vista

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RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista FOIA Install

2005-03-23 Thread Cameron Schlehuber
I updated a couple of the older entries.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin
Toppenberg
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:42 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista FOIA Install

I set up a framework for you.  Could you just fill in
the details (i.e. the version numbers)?

http://openforum.worldvista.org/~forum/index.php?title=CPRS_Installation#CPR
S_Versions

Kevin

--- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, that last one came back like a mess when I got
> it so here it is again:
> 
> You can find version 1.0.25.28 in the OR_30_195.zip
> dated 2/9/05 on the 
> www.va.gov/vista web site under Packages, Order
> Entry-Results Reporting dated 
> Feb 9, 2005.  
> 
> And yes, Kevin, you are right.  I didn't make that
> list for the wiki yet. :-(
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Nancy Anthracite
Look here and all shall be clear!

http://www.pycs.net/lateral/stories/31.html#getting-apt

After you get it installed, THEN you will be on your way.  

However, it looks like Bhaskar had another solution which is probably even 
easier.

On Wednesday 23 March 2005 02:46 pm, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
> No I am not familiar with apt.  Someone else had
> posted instructions for using it too.  But I don't
> know how to install the system.
>
> Kevin
>
> --- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I found an apt repository for the RPM of that for
> > red hat 9 with the info on
> > this page.
> > http://k3b.plainblack.com/index.pl/download#93
> >
> > Are you familiar with apt? Assuming you have apt
> > installed, enter the
> > appropriate lines in that file next to the * and
> > then, as root
> >
> > apt-get update
> > apt-get install k3b
>
> 
>
> > * apt - /etc/apt/sources.list
> >
> > rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i386 stable
> > bleeding
> > rpm-src http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i386 stable
> > bleeding
> >
> >   or
> >
> > rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i686 stable
> > bleeding
> > rpm-src http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i686 stable
> > bleeding
> >
> >   or
> >
> > rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 athlon stable
> > bleeding
> > rpm-src http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 athlon stable
> > bleeding
> >
> >   depending on the architecture.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:34 am, Kevin
> >
> > Toppenberg wrote:
> > > After the great advice given on this board, I have
> > > decided to get k3b going.  I did cdrecord
> >
> > --scanbus,
> >
> > > and sure enough my DVD is there.
> > >
> > > I got the k3b source from:
> > > http://www.k3b.org/
> > >
> > > The problem is that I need to compile it from
> >
> > source,
> >
> > > because there is no recent precompiled binary
> > > available for RH9.  I have never done this before,
> >
> > so
> >
> > > I am a bit timid.
> > >
> > > I have extracted the source files to a directory,
> >
> > as
> >
> > > the instructions advice.  The next step is to
> > > configure the source with:
> > > # ./configure
> > >
> > > But here is my screenlog:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] kdt0p]# cd dvd+rw-tools/
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ls
> > > btcflash.cpp dvd+rw-mediainfo.cpp
> >
> > growisofs.o
> >
> > >  Makefile.m4
> > > dvd-ram-control.cpp  dvd+rw-tools.spec
> >
> > index.html
> >
> > >  rpl8.cpp
> > > dvd+rw-booktype.cpp  growisofs.1   LICENSE
> > >  transport.hxx
> > > dvd+rw-format.cppgrowisofs.c
> >
> > Makefile
> >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ./configure
> > > -bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> > >
> > > What am I doing wrong?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Kevin
> > >
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Bhaskar,

Thanks for the links.

Lets talk about support for a few minutes.  What do
you think I would be getting in terms of support?  For
example, in this issue with me attaching a DVD drive,
would this have been something I would write to my
Redhat support service about?

Thanks
Kevin

--- "Bhaskar, KS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Kevin --
> 
> K3b is a standard component of KDE, and a package
> for a major version of
> a major Linux distribution like Red Hat 9 is almost
> certain to exist.  I
> went to http://rpm.pbone.net and sure enough found
> several RPMs for RH9.
> 
> Looks like dvd+rw-tools does not use configure.  If
> you want to build
> from sources, just try "make" and once that builds
> successfully, "make
> install".
> 
> Incidentally, if you are going into production on
> Red Hat 9, do you plan
> to purchase support for Linux, and if so, from
> where?
> 
> -- Bhaskar
> 
> On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 04:34 -0800, Kevin Toppenberg
> wrote:
> > After the great advice given on this board, I have
> > decided to get k3b going.  I did cdrecord
> --scanbus,
> > and sure enough my DVD is there.
> > 
> > I got the k3b source from:
> > http://www.k3b.org/
> > 
> > The problem is that I need to compile it from
> source,
> > because there is no recent precompiled binary
> > available for RH9.  I have never done this before,
> so
> > I am a bit timid.
> > 
> > I have extracted the source files to a directory,
> as
> > the instructions advice.  The next step is to
> > configure the source with: 
> > # ./configure
> > 
> > But here is my screenlog:
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] kdt0p]# cd dvd+rw-tools/
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ls
> > btcflash.cpp dvd+rw-mediainfo.cpp 
> growisofs.o
> >  Makefile.m4
> > dvd-ram-control.cpp  dvd+rw-tools.spec
> index.html 
> >  rpl8.cpp
> > dvd+rw-booktype.cpp  growisofs.1   LICENSE
>
> >  transport.hxx
> > dvd+rw-format.cppgrowisofs.c  
> Makefile
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ./configure
> > -bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> > 
> > What am I doing wrong?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Kevin
> 
> 
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Thanks Marc.

I think that the instructions on the project website
must need updating, as they tell to do that
./configure.

Thanks!
Kevin

--- Aylesworth Marc A Contr AFRL/IFSE
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There is no configure file it looks for libraries
> and compilers for system.
> It looks like there is already a Makefile in the
> directory try the command
> make as this will compile the source code, also is
> there a readme or
> install, most programs have one.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Marc Aylesworth
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Kevin
> Toppenberg
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:35 AM
> To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question:
> Setting up DVD for backup
> 
> After the great advice given on this board, I have
> decided to get k3b going.  I did cdrecord --scanbus,
> and sure enough my DVD is there.
> 
> I got the k3b source from:
> http://www.k3b.org/
> 
> The problem is that I need to compile it from
> source,
> because there is no recent precompiled binary
> available for RH9.  I have never done this before,
> so
> I am a bit timid.
> 
> I have extracted the source files to a directory, as
> the instructions advice.  The next step is to
> configure the source with: 
> # ./configure
> 
> But here is my screenlog:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] kdt0p]# cd dvd+rw-tools/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ls
> btcflash.cpp dvd+rw-mediainfo.cpp 
> growisofs.o
>  Makefile.m4
> dvd-ram-control.cpp  dvd+rw-tools.spec
> index.html 
>  rpl8.cpp
> dvd+rw-booktype.cpp  growisofs.1   LICENSE  
>  
>  transport.hxx
> dvd+rw-format.cppgrowisofs.c   Makefile
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ./configure
> -bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks
> Kevin
> 
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Needed: fresh copy of DIS1.m

2005-03-23 Thread Jim Self
You really should take a look at your GT.M error log or look for a recent error 
dump file
or try to repeat the error from programmer mode direct to Fileman so you can 
see exactly
what the error is and correct it.

You can get a copy of DIS1.m from http://vista.vmth.ucdavis.edu/rtn/DIS1.m

Change the routine name to get a copy of the source code for any other routine 
on that
server. Change the .m extension to .html (or remove it) to get a view of the 
same routine
that is syntax colored and hypertext linked.

The routines (and data) on that server are from the OpenVistASemiViVA0.4 
distribution,
except for the M2Web files that are more recent.

Kevin wrote:
>I was adding the patch provided by George Timson, and
>now my search program is dropping out.  I had made a
>copy of the line I changed, but I apparently must have
>introduced some bad character somewhere.  It is now
>dropping back to the GTM prompt right after it asks me
>the output device.
>
>Could someone send me an unadulterated copy of DIS1.m
>
>Thanks
>Kevin
>

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Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
No I am not familiar with apt.  Someone else had
posted instructions for using it too.  But I don't
know how to install the system.

Kevin

--- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I found an apt repository for the RPM of that for
> red hat 9 with the info on 
> this page. 
> http://k3b.plainblack.com/index.pl/download#93
> 
> Are you familiar with apt? Assuming you have apt
> installed, enter the 
> appropriate lines in that file next to the * and
> then, as root
> 
> apt-get update 
> apt-get install k3b
>

> * apt - /etc/apt/sources.list
> 
> rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i386 stable
> bleeding
> rpm-src http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i386 stable
> bleeding
> 
>   or
> 
> rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i686 stable
> bleeding
> rpm-src http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i686 stable
> bleeding
> 
>   or
> 
> rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 athlon stable
> bleeding
> rpm-src http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 athlon stable
> bleeding
> 
>   depending on the architecture.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:34 am, Kevin
> Toppenberg wrote:
> > After the great advice given on this board, I have
> > decided to get k3b going.  I did cdrecord
> --scanbus,
> > and sure enough my DVD is there.
> >
> > I got the k3b source from:
> > http://www.k3b.org/
> >
> > The problem is that I need to compile it from
> source,
> > because there is no recent precompiled binary
> > available for RH9.  I have never done this before,
> so
> > I am a bit timid.
> >
> > I have extracted the source files to a directory,
> as
> > the instructions advice.  The next step is to
> > configure the source with:
> > # ./configure
> >
> > But here is my screenlog:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] kdt0p]# cd dvd+rw-tools/
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ls
> > btcflash.cpp dvd+rw-mediainfo.cpp 
> growisofs.o
> >  Makefile.m4
> > dvd-ram-control.cpp  dvd+rw-tools.spec
> index.html
> >  rpl8.cpp
> > dvd+rw-booktype.cpp  growisofs.1   LICENSE
> >  transport.hxx
> > dvd+rw-format.cppgrowisofs.c  
> Makefile
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ./configure
> > -bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> >
> > What am I doing wrong?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kevin
> >
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista FOIA Install

2005-03-23 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
I set up a framework for you.  Could you just fill in
the details (i.e. the version numbers)?

http://openforum.worldvista.org/~forum/index.php?title=CPRS_Installation#CPRS_Versions

Kevin

--- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, that last one came back like a mess when I got
> it so here it is again:
> 
> You can find version 1.0.25.28 in the OR_30_195.zip
> dated 2/9/05 on the 
> www.va.gov/vista web site under Packages, Order
> Entry-Results Reporting dated 
> Feb 9, 2005.  
> 
> And yes, Kevin, you are right.  I didn't make that
> list for the wiki yet. :-(
> 
> 
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Another option plus RE: Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Jim Drash
> 
> scp (and sftp) are part of the ssh package with Linux.  However, I am
> not sure if the M$ world is nice enough to include all of those.
> 


Actual it is not part of the ssh in Linux but part of teh OpenSSH BSD
project.  The is of course3 a Linux port.

For the Windows World, you can use openssh and scpvia Cygwin
http://cygwin.com or with putty

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Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Another option plus RE: Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Bhaskar said that there is a command like 'mupip
--backup' that achieves this.

Kevin

--- Xavier Guardiola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Speaking about backups, is it possible to perform
> hot copies of the 
> database with GT.M? (that is, without stopping the
> system)
> BTW, here at work, all our backup system relies on
> ssh+rsync. If your 
> server are Linux that's definitively the best and
> more flexible option.
> 
> Xavier
> 
> Crawford Rainwater wrote:
> > On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 19:52 -0800,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>Crawford,
> >>
> >>Great to hear from you.  Hadn't seen you post in
> >>awhile.  Will you be at the Boston conf.?
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > At this time I have other obligations to attend
> to, so I will not be at
> > the Boston WV meeting.
> > 
> > 
> >>Thanks for your suggestions below.  The one issue
> >>about scp'ing the data, though, is that I would
> have
> >>to have an "scp server" running on the windows
> box.  I
> >>don't know how to set that up.  I have downloaded
> a
> >>program for windows, pscp that can pull the data
> from
> >>the linux box when run on the windows box.  It
> would
> >>be nice to be able to push it though.
> > 
> > 
> > scp (and sftp) are part of the ssh package with
> Linux.  However, I am
> > not sure if the M$ world is nice enough to include
> all of those.  
> > 
> > The scp option would be most likely the simplest
> for file transfer of
> > backup archives from two different machines. 
> However, as per Bhaskar,
> > there is still the point of the data being
> accessed by Gt.M/VistA while
> > this is being done which should be addressed as
> well (and goes beyond my
> > realm since I tend to pass those fun questions off
> to others at this
> > point).
> > 
> > Bacula though would be a similar option to the scp
> option above, sounds
> > like it would work cross platforms as well for the
> sending and receiving
> > machines, but their web site might have more
> details.
> > 
> > HTH.
> > 
> > --- Crawford
> 
> 
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Another option plus RE: Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Crawford,

Thanks for the info.

You ought to look at the Microsoft products, SFU.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/

Rather than being on top of windows like cgwin, it
actually attaches to a subsystem.  So it is lower
level.  In fact it changes windows into being case
sensitive regarding filenames etc.  

Not that it would be as a real unix system, but if you
have any clients that have a mixed environment, it
might make your job easier when connecting to their
Windows boxes.

The one cripple feature that I found was that the X11
system will only work with local applications, not
from remote applications. You have to purchase another
product for that.  Who would have seen that coming?

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/

Will miss you at the meeting. 

Thanks again
Kevin


--- Crawford Rainwater
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 19:52 -0800,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
> > Crawford,
> > 
> > Great to hear from you.  Hadn't seen you post in
> > awhile.  Will you be at the Boston conf.?
> > 
> 
> At this time I have other obligations to attend to,
> so I will not be at
> the Boston WV meeting.
> 
> > Thanks for your suggestions below.  The one issue
> > about scp'ing the data, though, is that I would
> have
> > to have an "scp server" running on the windows
> box.  I
> > don't know how to set that up.  I have downloaded
> a
> > program for windows, pscp that can pull the data
> from
> > the linux box when run on the windows box.  It
> would
> > be nice to be able to push it though.
> 
> scp (and sftp) are part of the ssh package with
> Linux.  However, I am
> not sure if the M$ world is nice enough to include
> all of those.  
> 
> The scp option would be most likely the simplest for
> file transfer of
> backup archives from two different machines. 
> However, as per Bhaskar,
> there is still the point of the data being accessed
> by Gt.M/VistA while
> this is being done which should be addressed as well
> (and goes beyond my
> realm since I tend to pass those fun questions off
> to others at this
> point).
> 
> Bacula though would be a similar option to the scp
> option above, sounds
> like it would work cross platforms as well for the
> sending and receiving
> machines, but their web site might have more
> details.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> --- Crawford
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Re: [Hardhats-members] More Wikki content

2005-03-23 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
LOL!

Kevin

--- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gotta keep an eye on those "redheads"...  ;-) 
> 
> On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:28 am, Kevin
> Toppenberg wrote:
> > OK OK.  Good point.
> >
> > "The" wikki is the WorldVista wikki.
> >
> >
>
http://openforum.worldvista.org/~forum/index.php?title=Main_Page
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > --- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > Which wikki is "The Wikki"?
> > >
> > > On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:01 am, Kevin
> > >
> > > Toppenberg wrote:
> > > > I have also summarized the excellent responses
> > > > regarding Linux backup options, and the wealth
> of
> > > > links on the wikki.
> > > >
> > > > The path is:
> > > > Main Page (Installation guides,hardware
> issues)
> > >
> > > -->
> > >
> > > > Setting up Backup for Linux box (esp with DVD)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Kevin
> > > >
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Mark Street
Yikes!

On Tuesday 22 March 2005 07:05, Bhaskar, KS wrote:
> If the permissions and paths on your PC require k3b to be run as root,
> then use the following sequence of commands, unless root is the user
> initially logged in:
>
> As the normal user: "xhost +" (since the user who is logged in owns the
> display, s/he must give permission to other users to open a window on
> the main console).
> As root:
>   export DISPLAY=:0 (since X Windows allows a window to be opened on any
> X server, this tells it to use the main console)
>   k3b >&/dev/null& (start in the background, and redirect STDERR and
> STDOUT to the null device; otherwise you get a bunch of gobbledygook).

With all due respect, and don't take this personally, this is a bad bad bad 
bad idea.  xhost + opens your host up to the entire network.  This advice in 
the wrong hands, on your network can lead to disaster.  Utilize ssh tunneling 
whenever possible.  It's easy, efficient and works with just about any 
command.

This subject comes up frequently on many lists.  To set the record straight 
and educate users I am including a short piece on X security techniques 
posted by Karsten M. Self from vox-tech list @ lugod.org
--
A little bit of history and technology:

    The X Window System is a _networked_, _multi-platform_, _graphical
    dsiplay system_.  It does _not_ have an inherent security model,
    though several have been tacked on over the years.  These include:

     - xhost:  host-based access control (a/k/a no access control)
     - MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1:  (cleartext) token-based control.
     - SSH X11 tunneling:  encrypted, authenticated access control

    You'll find that most modern X servers put a few additional
    roadblocks in place, which for the reasons stated previously, I
    won't mention explicitly, and would appreciate others not either.
    Research on your own and identify why there are security issues.


Short answers:
--

    Remote X11 Access:  Use SSH
    ---

    If you want to provide or allow remote access to an X display or
    client, use SSH with X11 tunelling.  Read your client and server
    documentation for details.  Generally:

       # Allow multiple commandline or X commands
       ssh -X remotehost
       

   or

       # Single command run on a forked SSH session
       ssh -Xf remotehost 

    are what you want.



    Running (local) X applications as root
    --

    The 'sux' (su X -- superuser X) command on some distros provides for
    this.  

        sux 

    If this isn't available, a slightly longer alternative is:

      - Identify your non-root user's X display:  echo $DISPLAY
      - go root:  'sudo bash -l' or 'sudo su -'
      - set root's display:  export DISPLAY=
      - merge user's xauth file:  xauth merge ~/.xauthority
      - run command(s)




X and network access
--

    X is a wholly network-transparent protocol.  This is useful (users
    and the applications they run need not be at the same location) and
    leads to some interesting applications (Xnest), but also results in
    vulnerabilitys.  
    
    Specifically:

       Any user with network access to an X display can present or snoop
       any arbitrary content from that X display.

    At its simplest level, this means it's possible to trivially take
    screenshots of a remote X display.  It's also possible to write
    clients which track and record keystrokes and other actions on the
    screen.  More deviously, a malicious client could present its own
    content to be displayed, say, to fool a user into entering
    sensitive information on a misrepresented dispaly -- analagous to
    the common phishing data divulgance attacks today.   A password
    dialog, for example.

    The other issue with X is that network data are not encrypted or
    (barring add-ons) authenticated.  On network segments open to
    snooping (wireless networks, hubbed networks, third-party-controlled
    segments), all X traffic can be intercepted or subject to other
    attacks such as man-in-the-middle.

    With ever increasing network interconnections, security issues on
    common network clients (particularly Microsoft systems), and the
    ready availability of "bootable" network security and spying tools
    (Trinux, Knoppix, LNX-BBC), trust in any but the smallest and most
    tightly controlled network segments should be minimal.  "The
    Intranet is dead".



Remote X Access Controls


There are three general control mechanisms available for X sessions:

  - xhost (don't use)
  - MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 (provides minimal protection)
  - SSH tunnelling (strongly recommended)



xhost access control


   The simplest form of control is to restrict access to named hosts.
   Hosts are added with the command:

      xhost +

   ...or removed with:

      xhost -

   All

Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [Hardhats-members] Volume Sets

2005-03-23 Thread Bhaskar, KS
Greg --

Not quite.  In GT.M globals and routines are configured completely
independently of each other.  If you have the chance, just download the
GT.M Acculturation CD (from http://sourceforge.net/projects/sanchez-gtm)
and go through it - it explains things much better than I could in a
short post to the mailing list.

-- Bhaskar

On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 11:28 -0500, Greg Kreis wrote:
> I can understand that the Volume concept is handled by the idea of a
> path in Linux, right?  Hmm... Are the globals just Linux files? If so,
> wouldn't the directory take the place of the UCI?  But I guess the
> next question is how is this exposed inside GT.M?
> 
> K.S. Bhaskar wrote: 
> > GT.M does not have the concept of UCI and Volume, so I think for the
> > GT.M port they're always VAH & ROU.  (Or am I getting things mixed up?) 
> > Also, when VistA is ported to GT.M, I believe the routines look for the
> > hostname from the Linux command "hostname -s".
> > 
> > Perhaps Chris Richardson, Rick Marshall, Wally Fort or Dave Whitten
> > could comment?
> > 
> > -- Bhaskar
> > 
> > On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 23:21, Nancy E. Anthracite wrote:
> >   
> > > I have OV3 and Fedora Core 2.  
> > > 
> > > I bet you are using the version on the VA ftp site.  That is available 
> > > preinstalled on Knoppix on Sourceforge thanks to Bhaskar in the 
> > > VivAFOIAGold 
> > > on the WorldVistA project site.  It can be installed right on your 
> > > machine if 
> > > you want or run off of the DVD.
> > > 
> > >  Anyway, I would suggest you don't spend a lot of time looking at man 
> > > hostname 
> > > and the like unless you REALLy want to spend a lot of time because you 
> > > end up 
> > > going in a circle from hostname to something else to something else that 
> > > ends 
> > > up referring back to hostname again.  I got dizzy when I tried it.  
> > > 
> > > The best I was able to do with Fedora was to figure it out with 
> > > experiments 
> > > and to find out the machine name probably has to be changed in multiple 
> > > places to really change the machine name for Fedora  
> > > including /etc/hosts,  /etc/config/network and 
> > > sysctl -w kernel.hostname="newhostname" .  
> > > 
> > > After that, I decided that was really much more than I needed to know or 
> > > cared 
> > > to know about machine names and Fedora, as long as I could figure out 
> > > where 
> > > to get at hostname -s changed.
> > > 
> > > As for the ^ZOSF("PROD") and where that is set, it looks like im my 
> > > ^ZTMGRSET, 
> > > it  just gets the UCI and Volume it from ^ZOSF("PROD"), so that didn't 
> > > help 
> > > figure out how that is set.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sunday 21 November 2004 08:54 pm, Daniel Gray wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Thanks Fil, I take that as a great compliment.  And you knew I would.
> > > > 
> > > > All other readers:  Fil has exaggerated my reputation as a hacker, but
> > > > maybe it was because of something I said . . .
> > > > 
> > > > Nancy:  I'm not too sure what information will help, but here is a
> > > > paragraph from Krn8_Osm.pdf
> > > > 
> > > > ==
> > > > BOX-VOLUME PAIR
> > > > This field identifies a volume set and the CPU on which it is 
> > > > available. It
> > > > contains the name of a volume set concatenated to the CPU ("box") name:
> > > > first the volume set name and then the CPU name. For example, if the
> > > > volume set name is "KRN" and the name of the CPU (e.g., box) is 
> > > > "ISC6A1",
> > > > then the box-volume pair would be "KRN:ISC6A1".
> > > > 
> > > > For systems on which each CPU tends to have a unique volume set, and 
> > > > vice
> > > > versa, you may enter just the volume set name (e.g., "PSA" or "AAA"). 
> > > > This
> > > > field's value for the current process can be found by doing GETENV^%ZOSV
> > > > and checking the fourth ^-piece of Y. Since the volume set and CPU are
> > > > identified, the TaskMan site parameters can be tuned for each specific
> > > > volume set and CPU affected. Systems running Managers on more than one
> > > > CPU need one entry for each CPU where a manager is running.
> > > > =
> > > > 
> > > > So for Kernel to work, VOL:BOX has to be set up right.  But why do they
> > > > call it Box-Volume, why not call it Volume-Box?  The name of it caused 
> > > > me
> > > > some confusion when I was setting up taskman.  And yes, the 
> > > > ^%ZOSF("PROD")
> > > > and ^%ZOSF("MGR") and ^%ZOSF("VOL") have to be all set right, and that 
> > > > is
> > > > done when you do ^ZTMGRSET.  Maybe ^ZTMGRSET should get "BOX" name, and 
> > > > at
> > > > least begin setup of KERNEL SITE PARAMETERS.  Maybe it does.
> > > > 
> > > > The version of Kernel I am running, has the code I showed below, that 
> > > > is,
> > > > the call to GETENV^%ZOSV calling RETURN^%ZOSV which evoked the GTM 
> > > > function
> > > > ZSYSTEM("hostname -s")
> > > > From the GTM documentation, it looks like the ZSYSTEM call is a way to
> > > > generate a "plainjane" Linux command

Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Another option plus RE: Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Bhaskar, KS
Absolutely!

One single shell command (maybe in a crontab to run when system load is
low) will backup the entire application database in a Consistent fashion
(i.e., it has the illusion of an instant snapshot even with globals in
different regions; in other words, Consistent is explicitly
capitalized).

There are other options as well, such as backing up via a TCP socket to
a listener on another machine.

Details in the Administration and Operations Guide.

-- Bhaskar

On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 15:21 +0100, Xavier Guardiola wrote:
> Speaking about backups, is it possible to perform hot copies of the 
> database with GT.M? (that is, without stopping the system)
> BTW, here at work, all our backup system relies on ssh+rsync. If your 
> server are Linux that's definitively the best and more flexible option.
> 
> Xavier
> 
> Crawford Rainwater wrote:
> > On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 19:52 -0800,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>Crawford,
> >>
> >>Great to hear from you.  Hadn't seen you post in
> >>awhile.  Will you be at the Boston conf.?
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > At this time I have other obligations to attend to, so I will not be at
> > the Boston WV meeting.
> > 
> > 
> >>Thanks for your suggestions below.  The one issue
> >>about scp'ing the data, though, is that I would have
> >>to have an "scp server" running on the windows box.  I
> >>don't know how to set that up.  I have downloaded a
> >>program for windows, pscp that can pull the data from
> >>the linux box when run on the windows box.  It would
> >>be nice to be able to push it though.
> > 
> > 
> > scp (and sftp) are part of the ssh package with Linux.  However, I am
> > not sure if the M$ world is nice enough to include all of those.  
> > 
> > The scp option would be most likely the simplest for file transfer of
> > backup archives from two different machines.  However, as per Bhaskar,
> > there is still the point of the data being accessed by Gt.M/VistA while
> > this is being done which should be addressed as well (and goes beyond my
> > realm since I tend to pass those fun questions off to others at this
> > point).
> > 
> > Bacula though would be a similar option to the scp option above, sounds
> > like it would work cross platforms as well for the sending and receiving
> > machines, but their web site might have more details.
> > 
> > HTH.
> > 
> > --- Crawford
> 
> 


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RE: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Aylesworth Marc A Contr AFRL/IFSE
There is no configure file it looks for libraries and compilers for system.
It looks like there is already a Makefile in the directory try the command
make as this will compile the source code, also is there a readme or
install, most programs have one.

Thanks

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To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

After the great advice given on this board, I have
decided to get k3b going.  I did cdrecord --scanbus,
and sure enough my DVD is there.

I got the k3b source from:
http://www.k3b.org/

The problem is that I need to compile it from source,
because there is no recent precompiled binary
available for RH9.  I have never done this before, so
I am a bit timid.

I have extracted the source files to a directory, as
the instructions advice.  The next step is to
configure the source with: 
# ./configure

But here is my screenlog:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] kdt0p]# cd dvd+rw-tools/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ls
btcflash.cpp dvd+rw-mediainfo.cpp  growisofs.o
 Makefile.m4
dvd-ram-control.cpp  dvd+rw-tools.spec index.html 
 rpl8.cpp
dvd+rw-booktype.cpp  growisofs.1   LICENSE
 transport.hxx
dvd+rw-format.cppgrowisofs.c   Makefile
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ./configure
-bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks
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Re: [Hardhats-members] From Delphi or Mumps

2005-03-23 Thread Nancy Anthracite
By the time I get there, hopefully all will be straighten out enough that we 
can look at the code.  I have a lot of Delphi questions to ask.

On Tuesday 22 March 2005 07:21 pm, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
> Good work Nancy,
>
> Everytime I came across a Delphi question, I was not
> at my one machine with Delphi and CPRS installed.
> I've got about 4 computers going (some dual boot), so
> I get confused sometimes.
>
> Do you have a compiling CPRS on your machine?  If so,
> perhaps we can work on it at the WorldVistA conf.  I
> won't be able to bring my Delphi.
>
> Thanks
> Kevin
>
> --- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I reinstalled Delphi and searched the Delphi CPRS
> > files from version 1.0.23.15
> > of CPRS and found " rReports.pas line (601) Add("***
> > WORK COPY ONLY ***"" and
> > it goes on from there.  I have emailed Jim the file
> > so he can look it over.
> > He was likely right all along, but it will take
> > someone with more knowledge
> > than me to know for sure.
> >
> > Why my search did not find it before, I do not know,
> > but considering the mess
> > I had from my various attempts at compiling various
> > versions of CPRS with
> > different components, etc., I guess it is not
> > surprising. Delphi was near
> > dead, anyway, from all of that, so I just finished
> > it off and reinstalled it.
> >
> > I just went back and searched again after I
> > reinstalled Delphi and found in
> > rReports.pas line (601) Add("*** WORK COPY ONLY ***"
> > and it goes on from
> > there.  You can download the source code from the
> > version you are using,
> > unzip it and seach it with Windows because it is not
> > in the components, it is
> > right in the CPRS-Chart directory.  I will get on my
> > Windows machine and
> > email you the routine.  THe word printed is also in
> > the line of code.
> >
> >
> > On Saturday 19 March 2005 03:57 pm, Nancy Anthracite
> >
> > wrote:
> > > I think I may have found it in a parameters file
> >
> > 100.23 parameter
> >
> > > definitions. There are parameters like ORPF WORK
> >
> > COPY HEADER and ORPF CHART
> >
> > > COPY HEADER and the same for FOOTER, etc., and
> >
> > once I found them in this
> >
> > > definition file, there was a format for them and
> >
> > some entries, one of which
> >
> > > , in the VA DEMO, is    WORK COPY    which
> >
> > looks a lot like what
> >
> > > you found in your edition.  There is some
> >
> > information about it in the CPRS
> >
> > > GUI Technical Manual on page 167.  It looks like
> >
> > maybe the Clinical
> >
> > > Coordinator has the "POWER" to set at least some
> >
> > of these parameters, of
> >
> > > which there are MANY to do with all sorts of
> >
> > things.
> >
> > > I would think that in the hospital it would be
> >
> > important for people to know
> >
> > > that pieces of paper that were lying around were
> >
> > not "offical orders",
> >
> > > which is why I suspect this is done and is so
> >
> > difficult to undo.
> >
> > > On Friday 18 March 2005 05:11 pm, James Gray
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > All I have is is the .exe file 1.0.24.27
> > > > I looked at the last 14 broker calls and none of
> >
> > them include that
> >
> > > > string. I did not go further back because they
> >
> > were clearly going back
> >
> > > > before that point in the execution process.
> > > > Jim Gray
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Nancy Anthracite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 2:17 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] From Delphi or
> >
> > Mumps
> >
> > > > > One can search through the source code in
> >
> > Delphi just like in MUMPS, so
> >
> > > > > that
> > > > > should work.  If you don't have Delphi, tell
> >
> > me which version of CPRS
> >
> > > > > you are
> > > > > using and I can take a look for you.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Friday 18 March 2005 03:54 pm, James Gray
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > >> When you use CPRS and order a prescription
> >
> > through the MEDS tab or the
> >
> > > > >> Orders tab you can print out the order
> >
> > details.  How can I find out if
> >
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> phrase ***  WORK COPY ONLY  ***
> > > > >> is coming from the Delphi side or the Mumps
> >
> > side.  I cannot find any
> >
> > > > >> evidence that it is coming from the Mumps
> >
> > side. Jim Gray
> >
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: Another option plus RE: Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Xavier Guardiola
Speaking about backups, is it possible to perform hot copies of the 
database with GT.M? (that is, without stopping the system)
BTW, here at work, all our backup system relies on ssh+rsync. If your 
server are Linux that's definitively the best and more flexible option.

Xavier
Crawford Rainwater wrote:
On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 19:52 -0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Crawford,
Great to hear from you.  Hadn't seen you post in
awhile.  Will you be at the Boston conf.?

At this time I have other obligations to attend to, so I will not be at
the Boston WV meeting.

Thanks for your suggestions below.  The one issue
about scp'ing the data, though, is that I would have
to have an "scp server" running on the windows box.  I
don't know how to set that up.  I have downloaded a
program for windows, pscp that can pull the data from
the linux box when run on the windows box.  It would
be nice to be able to push it though.

scp (and sftp) are part of the ssh package with Linux.  However, I am
not sure if the M$ world is nice enough to include all of those.  

The scp option would be most likely the simplest for file transfer of
backup archives from two different machines.  However, as per Bhaskar,
there is still the point of the data being accessed by Gt.M/VistA while
this is being done which should be addressed as well (and goes beyond my
realm since I tend to pass those fun questions off to others at this
point).
Bacula though would be a similar option to the scp option above, sounds
like it would work cross platforms as well for the sending and receiving
machines, but their web site might have more details.
HTH.
--- Crawford

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[Hardhats-members] The IHS Software

2005-03-23 Thread Nancy Anthracite
I just emailed Albert Toya about getting a new copy of the IHS FOIA for the 
Boston meeting and he referred me to the web site with the software.  This 
time it appears it may all be there - or at least the links are working this 
time and it links to an ftp site we can use as well. 

Horray and thank you to the IHS!  

Put a bookmark here:

http://www.ihs.gov/cio/rpms/index.cfm

and the ftp site is ftp.ihs.gov/rpms/dist/ and it takes an anonymous user.
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Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [Hardhats-members] Volume Sets

2005-03-23 Thread Greg Kreis




I can understand that the Volume concept is handled by the idea of a
path in Linux, right?  Hmm... Are the globals just Linux files? If so,
wouldn't the directory take the place of the UCI?  But I guess the next
question is how is this exposed inside GT.M?

K.S. Bhaskar wrote:

  GT.M does not have the concept of UCI and Volume, so I think for the
GT.M port they're always VAH & ROU.  (Or am I getting things mixed up?) 
Also, when VistA is ported to GT.M, I believe the routines look for the
hostname from the Linux command "hostname -s".

Perhaps Chris Richardson, Rick Marshall, Wally Fort or Dave Whitten
could comment?

-- Bhaskar

On Sun, 2004-11-21 at 23:21, Nancy E. Anthracite wrote:
  
  
I have OV3 and Fedora Core 2.  

I bet you are using the version on the VA ftp site.  That is available 
preinstalled on Knoppix on Sourceforge thanks to Bhaskar in the VivAFOIAGold 
on the WorldVistA project site.  It can be installed right on your machine if 
you want or run off of the DVD.

 Anyway, I would suggest you don't spend a lot of time looking at man hostname 
and the like unless you REALLy want to spend a lot of time because you end up 
going in a circle from hostname to something else to something else that ends 
up referring back to hostname again.  I got dizzy when I tried it.  

The best I was able to do with Fedora was to figure it out with experiments 
and to find out the machine name probably has to be changed in multiple 
places to really change the machine name for Fedora  
including /etc/hosts,  /etc/config/network and 
sysctl -w kernel.hostname="newhostname" .  

After that, I decided that was really much more than I needed to know or cared 
to know about machine names and Fedora, as long as I could figure out where 
to get at hostname -s changed.

As for the ^ZOSF("PROD") and where that is set, it looks like im my ^ZTMGRSET, 
it  just gets the UCI and Volume it from ^ZOSF("PROD"), so that didn't help 
figure out how that is set.  



On Sunday 21 November 2004 08:54 pm, Daniel Gray wrote:


  Thanks Fil, I take that as a great compliment.  And you knew I would.

All other readers:  Fil has exaggerated my reputation as a hacker, but
maybe it was because of something I said . . .

Nancy:  I'm not too sure what information will help, but here is a
paragraph from Krn8_Osm.pdf

==
BOX-VOLUME PAIR
This field identifies a volume set and the CPU on which it is available. It
contains the name of a volume set concatenated to the CPU ("box") name:
first the volume set name and then the CPU name. For example, if the
volume set name is "KRN" and the name of the CPU (e.g., box) is "ISC6A1",
then the box-volume pair would be "KRN:ISC6A1".

For systems on which each CPU tends to have a unique volume set, and vice
versa, you may enter just the volume set name (e.g., "PSA" or "AAA"). This
field's value for the current process can be found by doing GETENV^%ZOSV
and checking the fourth ^-piece of Y. Since the volume set and CPU are
identified, the TaskMan site parameters can be tuned for each specific
volume set and CPU affected. Systems running Managers on more than one
CPU need one entry for each CPU where a manager is running.
=

So for Kernel to work, VOL:BOX has to be set up right.  But why do they
call it Box-Volume, why not call it Volume-Box?  The name of it caused me
some confusion when I was setting up taskman.  And yes, the ^%ZOSF("PROD")
and ^%ZOSF("MGR") and ^%ZOSF("VOL") have to be all set right, and that is
done when you do ^ZTMGRSET.  Maybe ^ZTMGRSET should get "BOX" name, and at
least begin setup of KERNEL SITE PARAMETERS.  Maybe it does.

The version of Kernel I am running, has the code I showed below, that is,
the call to GETENV^%ZOSV calling RETURN^%ZOSV which evoked the GTM function
ZSYSTEM("hostname -s")
>From the GTM documentation, it looks like the ZSYSTEM call is a way to
generate a "plainjane" Linux command.  And I would suppose that one could
say, to Linux
#hostname -s
and you would get a parameter out of the etc/hosts file, hopefully the
"box" name, or the short name of your computer.

I think that Linux uses different names for different things, Redhat9, I
think, provides for a longname and a shortname, and whoever wrote the
^%ZOSF that I have, knew to look for the short name (thus "-s").  One could
do $man hostname and see what it says there, I will do that when I get a
chance.  But there should be some documentation somewhere that tells the
naïve user to name his computer with a short and sweet alias, and to check
KERNEL SITE PARAMS to make sure taskman will run.

It looks like the Linux configuration provides for three fields in the
hosts file.  The first is IP address, the second is the name of your
computer (a shortname), and the longname might be the URL of your system. 
If this is really the case, then Kernel could use that shortname as a "box"
name, to identify your "box" on a network.

Maybe there is a difference between Redhat9 and 

RE: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Bhaskar, KS
Most likely, a DVD connected via a USB port will show up as a SCSI
device, with a name like /dev/sda or /dev/sdb.  However, to burn a
CD/DVD, you don't mount it (there is no file system to mount on a blank
disk).

Generally, if you power up the USB drive first, then boot the PC, k3b
will find and recognize the drive.  Also, as root, you can execute
"cdrecord --scanbus" to find the "SCSI" drive number for your CD drive.

Mark and/or Crawford may want to correct me here, or expand on the
explanation, because my understanding of how USB is mapped to SCSI, and
how CD/DVD-ROM drives are handled on Linunx is shallow.

-- Bhaskar

On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 18:01 -0800, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
> Bhaskar,
> 
> Thanks for your advice here.  I look forward to the
> GT.M meeting in Boston.  I plan to attend.
> 
> A quick DVD followup questions.  When a drive is
> connected to the computer, it still has to be mounted,
> right?  But how do I know what device to mount it as? 
> Is it a HD, CDROM? SCSI disk? etc.
> 
> Thanks
> Kevin
> 
> --- "K. S. Bhaskar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Kevin --
> > 
> > Samba is not my expertise, so I won't presume to
> > give you debugging 
> > advice.  I will say that I have been able to get
> > Samba and Windows 
> > working quite well together to share files and
> > printers on multiple 
> > occasions.  When I have had problems using Linux as
> > a server, it is 
> > usually because on the Linux side, I have not
> > created the users with 
> > smbpasswd program (just because they exist in
> > /etc/passwd doesn't mean 
> > that they exist for Samba - although I think there
> > is now an option to 
> > propagate changes back and forth).  You can also
> > webmin and swat to 
> > manage Samba via a browser.
> > 
> > Since Windows file attributes are not the same as
> > Linux, I only 
> > recommend using Windows to backup your Linux files
> > by first creating a 
> > tar archive on Linux and moving the tar archive to
> > Linux.  By the way, 
> > to move a single file from Linux to Windows, you
> > don't need Samba, just 
> > use WinSCP3 on Windows.
> > 
> > Getting a USB DVD burner to work on any contemporary
> > Linux should be 
> > trivial.  When I got it working, I just powered down
> > the PC, plugged in 
> > the DVD-ROM drive (a Sony drive that Chris
> > Richardson put inside a box 
> > that provided power and interface electronics),
> > powered up the DVD and 
> > powered up the PC.  K3b (my burning software)
> > recognized the DVD 
> > immediately.  That PC runs the Debian Sarge
> > installed via a Knoppix 3.6 
> > Linux live CD.  What Linux distribution and release
> > are you running and 
> > what kernel?  If you connect a USB flash drive to
> > the PC, is it 
> > recognized?  [In theory, you need not power it down,
> > but just to 
> > simplify debugging, I like to start from a cold
> > power up.]
> > 
> > I recommend creating a tar archive for backup. 
> > Remember to backup your 
> > journal files too.
> > 
> > I don't have much experience with tapes on
> > UNIX/Linux.
> > 
> > We will cover backup options at the GT.M workshop in
> > Boston.  There are 
> > multiple choices.
> > 
> > Regards
> > -- Bhaskar
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > on behalf of Kevin 
> > Toppenberg
> > Sent:   Sun 3/20/2005 5:36 PM
> > To: Hardhats Sourceforge
> > Cc:
> > Subject:[Hardhats-members] Linux question:
> > Setting up DVD for backup
> > I know this question is a bit off-topic for the
> > board.
> >   If you all have a better place for me to ask, just
> > let me know.
> > 
> > I need a reliable backup solution for my linux
> > server.
> >   Here are methods I have explored, unsuccessfully
> > so
> > far.  Let me first mention that our office also has
> > a
> > new Windows Server running our billing package.  My
> > initial thoughts were to copy my linux data to the
> > Windows server, and then let their backup process
> > save
> > my data.
> > 
> > 1. Install Services for Linux (SFU) put out by
> > Windows
> > onto our Windows server.  I then created a NFS
> > share.
> > I can view the directory contents of the Windows
> > share
> > from my linux box, but for the life of me I can't
> > get
> > write permission.  You have to run a Windows
> > namemapper to map linux users to Windows users, and
> > then give that user write permission.  Sounds easy. 
> > I
> > can't get it to work.  The permission system on NTFS
> > is a bit complex to me.
> > 
> > 2. Run a Samba server on my linux box.  When I do
> > this, I can see the drive from a Windows laptop, and
> > I
> > might even be able to write to it (I can't
> > remember).
> > But when I try to find the file when browsing from
> > the
> > Windows Server, I can't find it.  Not sure if I have
> > to join Windows "domain" to work.  This descends
> > into
> > a murky realm for me of ActiveDirectories.  Also,
> > I'm
> > not sure if my iptables is filtering out the samba
> > ports etc.
> > 
> > 3. Run a 

Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Bhaskar, KS
Kevin --

K3b is a standard component of KDE, and a package for a major version of
a major Linux distribution like Red Hat 9 is almost certain to exist.  I
went to http://rpm.pbone.net and sure enough found several RPMs for RH9.

Looks like dvd+rw-tools does not use configure.  If you want to build
from sources, just try "make" and once that builds successfully, "make
install".

Incidentally, if you are going into production on Red Hat 9, do you plan
to purchase support for Linux, and if so, from where?

-- Bhaskar

On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 04:34 -0800, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
> After the great advice given on this board, I have
> decided to get k3b going.  I did cdrecord --scanbus,
> and sure enough my DVD is there.
> 
> I got the k3b source from:
> http://www.k3b.org/
> 
> The problem is that I need to compile it from source,
> because there is no recent precompiled binary
> available for RH9.  I have never done this before, so
> I am a bit timid.
> 
> I have extracted the source files to a directory, as
> the instructions advice.  The next step is to
> configure the source with: 
> # ./configure
> 
> But here is my screenlog:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] kdt0p]# cd dvd+rw-tools/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ls
> btcflash.cpp dvd+rw-mediainfo.cpp  growisofs.o
>  Makefile.m4
> dvd-ram-control.cpp  dvd+rw-tools.spec index.html 
>  rpl8.cpp
> dvd+rw-booktype.cpp  growisofs.1   LICENSE
>  transport.hxx
> dvd+rw-format.cppgrowisofs.c   Makefile
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ./configure
> -bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks
> Kevin


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[Hardhats-members] Vista FOIA Install

2005-03-23 Thread Alan Robinson


A.I.M. Computer
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   22 March 2005
Sirs,
    I can use some help installing the Vista FOIA software. I followed the
directions to the best of my ability; but when I try and run CPRSChart.exe
I get the error: rpc broker version 1.0.25.28 running, but CPRSChart running version 1.023.15 and must be updated to run; 
   where is a new version of
the file XWB1_1WS.EXE? with a newer version of CPRSChart(1.0.25.28) and Client Agent in it?
    I did not really need to install such a virgin installation, I would have
preferred a Demo, or Test installation with test data in it, to learn from.
 
    Sincerely,
 
                    Alan H. Robinson, Jr 
   Manager, Chief Systems Programmer
 


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Re: [Hardhats-members] Another example of Fileman Search being unreliable

2005-03-23 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Thanks Greg.

Kevin

--- Greg Kreis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
> 
> >Wow.  That's good information.  I thought that the
> >sorting was from the output.  Like when you print a
> >file, how do you want the output sorted.
> >
> >  
> >
> That is how it works, if an index can't be used.  If
> you have more than 
> one sort level or you use a computed expression on
> the SORT BY, then the 
> sort order of the report has to be built in the
> ^UTILITY($J global and 
> the index is ignored.  (There are times when you can
> use an index, but 
> not affect the sorting of the report. This is a
> technique to identify a 
> subset of records to be sorted.)
> 
> >Regarding indexes, I have found in the data
> >dictionary, that a given field may have many
> different
> >indexes.  How would one, or the search program,
> know
> >what to use.
> >
> It would use the one that is useful for sorting -
> the Regular style 
> Index.  The KWIC style is useless for sorting a
> report.  Triggers, 
> Bulletin, etc. are irrelevant.
> 
> >  You said that this is determined by the
> >SORT BY parameter.  How does this work and how
> would a
> >user specify the index to use?
> >
> >  
> >
> You just specify the SORT BY: criteria and FM will
> take care of finding 
> indexes it can use.  It is automatic.
> 
> >Thanks
> >Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Greg Kreis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>The A, B, C conditions don't use an index.  They
> are
> >>'if' statements 
> >>that are applied to records that are found by the
> >>SORT BY part of the 
> >>Search.  Now, depending on how the SORT BY is
> >>constructed, it can use an 
> >>index or simply order through all the records of
> the
> >>file in record order.
> >>
> >>Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Is the search dependant on an index?  What if I
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>were
> >>
> >>
> >>>to define a file that did not have an index. 
> Would
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>it
> >>
> >>
> >>>not be searchable?  I thought it was sweeping
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>through
> >>
> >>
> >>>all records in the given file.
> >>>
> >>>Regarding the DIC("PTRIX"), surely the end user
> is
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>not
> >>
> >>
> >>>expected to do this...(?)
> >>>
> >>>Thanks
> >>>Kevin
> >>>
> >>>--- Greg Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> My guess is that Fileman in looking in the "B"
> cross-reference for
> "kst" and not finding it. When doing a DIC
> lookup,
> 
> 
> >>I
> >>
> >>
> think you need to
> set DIC("PTRIX") (I'm going by memory) if you
> want
> to look up a
> "pointed to" value using a different index.
> 
> --- Greg Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>    
> 
> 
> 
> >It would still be interesting to know if the
> > 
> >
> >  
> >
> search fails when
>    
> 
> 
> 
> >entereing "TOPPENBERG, KEVIN" instead of "kst".
> >
> >
> >--- Lloyd Milligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Something about the ENTERED BY field DD seems
> to
> >>   
> >>
> >>
> >>
> prevent the search
>    
> 
> 
> 
> >>from 
> >  
> >
> >>working as expected.  As you pointed out,
> >>   
> >>
> >>
> >>
> initials are a valid
>    
> 
> 
> 
> >lookup
> > 
> >
> >  
> >
> >>value. 
> >>So why doesn't this work?
> >>
> >>Lloyd
> >>
> >>- Original Message - 
> >>From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: 
> >>Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:33 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Another
> example
> >>   
> >>
> >>
> >>
> of Fileman Search
>    
> 
> 
> 
> >>being 
> >>unreliable
> >>
> 
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[Hardhats-members] Wikki content

2005-03-23 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
I have summarized our discussion regardin Fileman
Search issues for the wikki.

Here is the path:
Main page--> FileMan Overview (with details also) -->
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)

Maybe I can avoid this pitfall next time.

:-)

Thanks
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Nancy Anthracite
I should also mention that I would comment out those line from 
your /etc/apt/sources.list when you are done and redo the apt-get update 
because with a production system like yours, you really don't want to be 
putting a bunch of bleeding edge packages into it.  You would be better off 
with the official repositories only.

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Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup
Date: Wednesday 23 March 2005 10:01 am
From: Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net

I found an apt repository for the RPM of that for red hat 9 with the info on
this page.  http://k3b.plainblack.com/index.pl/download#93

Are you familiar with apt? Assuming you have apt installed, enter the
appropriate lines in that file next to the * and then, as root

apt-get update
apt-get install k3b

* apt - /etc/apt/sources.list

rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i386 stable bleeding
rpm-src http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i386 stable bleeding

  or

rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i686 stable bleeding
rpm-src http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i686 stable bleeding

  or

rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 athlon stable bleeding
rpm-src http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 athlon stable bleeding

  depending on the architecture.

On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:34 am, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
> After the great advice given on this board, I have
> decided to get k3b going.  I did cdrecord --scanbus,
> and sure enough my DVD is there.
>
> I got the k3b source from:
> http://www.k3b.org/
>
> The problem is that I need to compile it from source,
> because there is no recent precompiled binary
> available for RH9.  I have never done this before, so
> I am a bit timid.
>
> I have extracted the source files to a directory, as
> the instructions advice.  The next step is to
> configure the source with:
> # ./configure
>
> But here is my screenlog:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] kdt0p]# cd dvd+rw-tools/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ls
> btcflash.cpp dvd+rw-mediainfo.cpp  growisofs.o
>  Makefile.m4
> dvd-ram-control.cpp  dvd+rw-tools.spec index.html
>  rpl8.cpp
> dvd+rw-booktype.cpp  growisofs.1   LICENSE
>  transport.hxx
> dvd+rw-format.cppgrowisofs.c   Makefile
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ./configure
> -bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
>
> What am I doing wrong?
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Re: [Hardhats-members] More Wikki content

2005-03-23 Thread Nancy Anthracite
Gotta keep an eye on those "redheads"...  ;-) 

On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:28 am, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
> OK OK.  Good point.
>
> "The" wikki is the WorldVista wikki.
>
> http://openforum.worldvista.org/~forum/index.php?title=Main_Page
>
> Kevin
>
> --- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Which wikki is "The Wikki"?
> >
> > On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:01 am, Kevin
> >
> > Toppenberg wrote:
> > > I have also summarized the excellent responses
> > > regarding Linux backup options, and the wealth of
> > > links on the wikki.
> > >
> > > The path is:
> > > Main Page (Installation guides,hardware issues)
> >
> > -->
> >
> > > Setting up Backup for Linux box (esp with DVD)
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista FOIA Install

2005-03-23 Thread Nancy Anthracite
Well, that last one came back like a mess when I got it so here it is again:

You can find version 1.0.25.28 in the OR_30_195.zip dated 2/9/05 on the 
www.va.gov/vista web site under Packages, Order Entry-Results Reporting dated 
Feb 9, 2005.  

And yes, Kevin, you are right.  I didn't make that list for the wiki yet. :-(




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Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Nancy Anthracite
I found an apt repository for the RPM of that for red hat 9 with the info on 
this page.  http://k3b.plainblack.com/index.pl/download#93

Are you familiar with apt? Assuming you have apt installed, enter the 
appropriate lines in that file next to the * and then, as root

apt-get update 
apt-get install k3b

* apt - /etc/apt/sources.list

rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i386 stable bleeding
rpm-src http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i386 stable bleeding

  or

rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i686 stable bleeding
rpm-src http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 i686 stable bleeding

  or

rpm http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 athlon stable bleeding
rpm-src http://rpms.xcyb.org/redhat/9 athlon stable bleeding

  depending on the architecture.



On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:34 am, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
> After the great advice given on this board, I have
> decided to get k3b going.  I did cdrecord --scanbus,
> and sure enough my DVD is there.
>
> I got the k3b source from:
> http://www.k3b.org/
>
> The problem is that I need to compile it from source,
> because there is no recent precompiled binary
> available for RH9.  I have never done this before, so
> I am a bit timid.
>
> I have extracted the source files to a directory, as
> the instructions advice.  The next step is to
> configure the source with:
> # ./configure
>
> But here is my screenlog:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] kdt0p]# cd dvd+rw-tools/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ls
> btcflash.cpp dvd+rw-mediainfo.cpp  growisofs.o
>  Makefile.m4
> dvd-ram-control.cpp  dvd+rw-tools.spec index.html
>  rpl8.cpp
> dvd+rw-booktype.cpp  growisofs.1   LICENSE
>  transport.hxx
> dvd+rw-format.cppgrowisofs.c   Makefile
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ./configure
> -bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Thanks
> Kevin
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Re: [Hardhats-members] From Delphi or Mumps

2005-03-23 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Good work Nancy,

Everytime I came across a Delphi question, I was not
at my one machine with Delphi and CPRS installed. 
I've got about 4 computers going (some dual boot), so
I get confused sometimes.

Do you have a compiling CPRS on your machine?  If so,
perhaps we can work on it at the WorldVistA conf.  I
won't be able to bring my Delphi.

Thanks
Kevin

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> I reinstalled Delphi and searched the Delphi CPRS
> files from version 1.0.23.15 
> of CPRS and found " rReports.pas line (601) Add("***
> WORK COPY ONLY ***"" and 
> it goes on from there.  I have emailed Jim the file
> so he can look it over.  
> He was likely right all along, but it will take
> someone with more knowledge 
> than me to know for sure. 
> 
> Why my search did not find it before, I do not know,
> but considering the mess 
> I had from my various attempts at compiling various
> versions of CPRS with 
> different components, etc., I guess it is not
> surprising. Delphi was near 
> dead, anyway, from all of that, so I just finished
> it off and reinstalled it.
> 
> I just went back and searched again after I
> reinstalled Delphi and found in 
> rReports.pas line (601) Add("*** WORK COPY ONLY ***"
> and it goes on from 
> there.  You can download the source code from the
> version you are using, 
> unzip it and seach it with Windows because it is not
> in the components, it is 
> right in the CPRS-Chart directory.  I will get on my
> Windows machine and 
> email you the routine.  THe word printed is also in
> the line of code.
> 
> 
> On Saturday 19 March 2005 03:57 pm, Nancy Anthracite
> wrote:
> > I think I may have found it in a parameters file
> 100.23 parameter
> > definitions. There are parameters like ORPF WORK
> COPY HEADER and ORPF CHART
> > COPY HEADER and the same for FOOTER, etc., and
> once I found them in this
> > definition file, there was a format for them and
> some entries, one of which
> > , in the VA DEMO, is    WORK COPY    which
> looks a lot like what
> > you found in your edition.  There is some
> information about it in the CPRS
> > GUI Technical Manual on page 167.  It looks like
> maybe the Clinical
> > Coordinator has the "POWER" to set at least some
> of these parameters, of
> > which there are MANY to do with all sorts of
> things.
> >
> > I would think that in the hospital it would be
> important for people to know
> > that pieces of paper that were lying around were
> not "offical orders",
> > which is why I suspect this is done and is so
> difficult to undo.
> >
> > On Friday 18 March 2005 05:11 pm, James Gray
> wrote:
> > > All I have is is the .exe file 1.0.24.27
> > > I looked at the last 14 broker calls and none of
> them include that
> > > string. I did not go further back because they
> were clearly going back
> > > before that point in the execution process.
> > > Jim Gray
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Nancy Anthracite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 2:17 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] From Delphi or
> Mumps
> > >
> > > > One can search through the source code in
> Delphi just like in MUMPS, so
> > > > that
> > > > should work.  If you don't have Delphi, tell
> me which version of CPRS
> > > > you are
> > > > using and I can take a look for you.
> > > >
> > > > On Friday 18 March 2005 03:54 pm, James Gray
> wrote:
> > > >> When you use CPRS and order a prescription
> through the MEDS tab or the
> > > >> Orders tab you can print out the order
> details.  How can I find out if
> > > >> the
> > > >> phrase ***  WORK COPY ONLY  ***
> > > >> is coming from the Delphi side or the Mumps
> side.  I cannot find any
> > > >> evidence that it is coming from the Mumps
> side. Jim Gray
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista FOIA Install

2005-03-23 Thread Nancy Anthracite
On Tuesday 22 March 2005 09:02 pm, Alan Robinson wrote:
> 
> 
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> Sirs,
>     I can use some help installing the Vista FOIA
> software. I followed the directions to the best of my ability;
> but when I try and run CPRSChart.exe I get the error: rpc broker
> version 1.0.25.28 running, but CPRSChart running version 1.023.15 and must
> be updated to run;     where is a new version
> of
> the file XWB1_1WS.EXE? with a newer version of CPRSChart(1.0.25.28)
> and Client Agent in it?     I did not really need
> to install such a virgin installation, I would have preferred a
> Demo, or Test installation with test data in it, to learn from.
>  
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista FOIA Install

2005-03-23 Thread Nancy Anthracite
You can find version 1.0.25.28 in the OR_30_195.zip dated 2/9/05 on the 
www.va.gov/vista web site under Packages, Order Entry-Results Reporting dated 
Feb 9, 2005.

On Tuesday 22 March 2005 09:02 pm, Alan Robinson wrote:
> A.I.M. Computer
> Alan H. Robinson, Jr. 
>
>
> Phone: (619)-464-1816   Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.O. Box 84498, San
> Diego, CA 92138
>
>
>    
>22 March 2005
>
> Sirs,
>
>     I can use some help installing the Vista FOIA software. I followed the
>
> directions to the best of my ability; but when I try and run CPRSChart.exe
>
> I get the error: rpc broker version 1.0.25.28 running, but CPRSChart
> running version 1.023.15 and must be updated to run; where is a new version
> of
>
> the file XWB1_1WS.EXE? with a newer version of CPRSChart(1.0.25.28) and
> Client Agent in it?
>
>     I did not really need to install such a virgin installation, I would
> have
>
> preferred a Demo, or Test installation with test data in it, to learn from.
>
>  
>
>     Sincerely,
>
>  
>
>                     Alan H. Robinson, Jr
>    Manager, Chief Systems
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
After the great advice given on this board, I have
decided to get k3b going.  I did cdrecord --scanbus,
and sure enough my DVD is there.

I got the k3b source from:
http://www.k3b.org/

The problem is that I need to compile it from source,
because there is no recent precompiled binary
available for RH9.  I have never done this before, so
I am a bit timid.

I have extracted the source files to a directory, as
the instructions advice.  The next step is to
configure the source with: 
# ./configure

But here is my screenlog:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] kdt0p]# cd dvd+rw-tools/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ls
btcflash.cpp dvd+rw-mediainfo.cpp  growisofs.o
 Makefile.m4
dvd-ram-control.cpp  dvd+rw-tools.spec index.html 
 rpl8.cpp
dvd+rw-booktype.cpp  growisofs.1   LICENSE
 transport.hxx
dvd+rw-format.cppgrowisofs.c   Makefile
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]# ./configure
-bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dvd+rw-tools]#

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks
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[Hardhats-members] Re: Another option plus RE: Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Crawford Rainwater
On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 19:52 -0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Crawford,
> 
> Great to hear from you.  Hadn't seen you post in
> awhile.  Will you be at the Boston conf.?
> 

At this time I have other obligations to attend to, so I will not be at
the Boston WV meeting.

> Thanks for your suggestions below.  The one issue
> about scp'ing the data, though, is that I would have
> to have an "scp server" running on the windows box.  I
> don't know how to set that up.  I have downloaded a
> program for windows, pscp that can pull the data from
> the linux box when run on the windows box.  It would
> be nice to be able to push it though.

scp (and sftp) are part of the ssh package with Linux.  However, I am
not sure if the M$ world is nice enough to include all of those.  

The scp option would be most likely the simplest for file transfer of
backup archives from two different machines.  However, as per Bhaskar,
there is still the point of the data being accessed by Gt.M/VistA while
this is being done which should be addressed as well (and goes beyond my
realm since I tend to pass those fun questions off to others at this
point).

Bacula though would be a similar option to the scp option above, sounds
like it would work cross platforms as well for the sending and receiving
machines, but their web site might have more details.

HTH.

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Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: Setting up DVD for backup

2005-03-23 Thread Bhaskar, KS
If the permissions and paths on your PC require k3b to be run as root,
then use the following sequence of commands, unless root is the user
initially logged in:

As the normal user: "xhost +" (since the user who is logged in owns the
display, s/he must give permission to other users to open a window on
the main console).

As root:
  export DISPLAY=:0 (since X Windows allows a window to be opened on any
X server, this tells it to use the main console)
  k3b >&/dev/null& (start in the background, and redirect STDERR and
STDOUT to the null device; otherwise you get a bunch of gobbledygook).

-- Bhaskar

On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 09:56 -0500, Nancy Anthracite wrote:
> My impression is that K3B is very smart, much smarter than I am, thank 
> goodness!  But, you generally need to start K3b as root if you want to 
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Re: [Hardhats-members] More Wikki content

2005-03-23 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
OK OK.  Good point.

"The" wikki is the WorldVista wikki.

http://openforum.worldvista.org/~forum/index.php?title=Main_Page

Kevin



--- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Which wikki is "The Wikki"?
> 
> On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:01 am, Kevin
> Toppenberg wrote:
> > I have also summarized the excellent responses
> > regarding Linux backup options, and the wealth of
> > links on the wikki.
> >
> > The path is:
> > Main Page (Installation guides,hardware issues)
> -->
> > Setting up Backup for Linux box (esp with DVD)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> > __
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Re: [Hardhats-members] More Wikki content

2005-03-23 Thread Nancy Anthracite
Which wikki is "The Wikki"?

On Wednesday 23 March 2005 07:01 am, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
> I have also summarized the excellent responses
> regarding Linux backup options, and the wealth of
> links on the wikki.
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> The path is:
> Main Page (Installation guides,hardware issues) -->
> Setting up Backup for Linux box (esp with DVD)
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[Hardhats-members] More Wikki content

2005-03-23 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
I have also summarized the excellent responses
regarding Linux backup options, and the wealth of
links on the wikki.

The path is:
Main Page (Installation guides,hardware issues) -->
Setting up Backup for Linux box (esp with DVD)

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