Re: [Hardhats-members] Login Security

2004-10-12 Thread CS Wagner
Thanks.  I implemented everything mentioned and I will show it as the 
next meeting.  I think they will like it.  As it is now, having 
abandoned CPRS, I can set up multiple Vista databases on one server - 
each connecting to a different port.  I can use linux boxes in the 
remote locations running simple SSH to connect.  I have met all HIPAA 
security issues brought up.  I think I'm finally done and it won't be a 
full year on this until next week.
-Shaun

K.S. Bhaskar wrote:
Ben --
The best advice I was ever given when learning to play pool was to call
my shots, "Watch this."  How could I possibly live up to the
expectations set by a statement like "Your best information will be
coming from Bhaskar soon?"  8-]
Shaun --
If what you are trying to do is create a user who can do nothing on the
system other than run VistA, what Ben has is an excellent example of how
to set up a user who does nothing other than run VistA.  As soon as s/he
logs in, s/he runs VistA, and as soon as s/he exits VistA, s/he is
logged off the computer.
The only suggestion I would have is to trap signals and prevent the user
from getting to the shell, with something like
 trap exit SIGINT SIGTERM SIGQUIT SIGHUP
and prevent a SIGSUSP with something like
 stty susp \000
Put these right at the beginning of the shell script.
GT.M by itself is not designed to be a login shell, and I am amazed that
it even partially worked for you.
I am not sure I like Ben's choice of /usr/local/gtm/log for $gtm_log.  I
would keep /usr/local/gtm and everything under it unchanged, and point
$gtm_log somewhere else, such as /var/log/gtm or /var/log/gtm/
(remember to create it first with mkdir).
If you are concerned about users pressing ^C when running VistA, the
recommended way is to trap it in M application code.  If this is not
permitted, then instead of starting VistA with mumps -run ^ZU, start it
with mumps -run ^xyz where xyz.m is something like:
xyz Use $P:(NoCEnable)
Do ^ZU
Quit
If between Ben and me we have not answered your question, please ask it
again.
Regards
-- Bhaskar
On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 18:13, Benjamin Irwin wrote:
 

Your best information will be coming from Bhaskar soon, but I have included
my start up information in the following two files.
I have a user named "vista".  The .bash_profile follows:
---
# .bash_profile
# Get the aliases and functions
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
   . ~/.bashrc
fi
# User specific environment and startup programs
PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
export PATH
unset USERNAME
/usr/local/gtm/VISTA
exit
---
Note the "exit" at the very end of the ".bash_profile" this is the Unix
command that is performed when the user is done running the script
"/usr/local/gtm/VISTA".
The "/usr/local/gtm/VISTA" script follows.
---
#!/bin/bash
#
export gtm_dist=/usr/local/gtm
export gtm_log=/usr/local/gtm/log
export gtmgbldir=/usr/local/gtm/vista/g/mumps.gld
export gtm_vista=/usr/local/gtm/vista
export PATH=$PATH:$gtm_dist
#
export gtmroutines="$gtm_dist($gtm_dist)
/home/biskate/swa(/home/biskate/swa) $g
tm_vista/o($gtm_vista/r/A $gtm_vista/r/B $gtm_vista/r/C $gtm_vista/r/D
$gtm_vist
a/r/E $gtm_vista/r/F $gtm_vista/r/G $gtm_vista/r/H $gtm_vista/r/I
$gtm_vista/r/J
$gtm_vista/r/K $gtm_vista/r/L $gtm_vista/r/M $gtm_vista/r/N $gtm_vista/r/O
$gtm
_vista/r/P $gtm_vista/r/Q $gtm_vista/r/R $gtm_vista/r/S $gtm_vista/r/T
$gtm_vist
a/r/U $gtm_vista/r/V $gtm_vista/r/W $gtm_vista/r/X $gtm_vista/r/Y
$gtm_vista/r/Z
$gtm_vista/r/_)"
#
mumps -run ^ZU
---
The last line in this script starts MUMPS and runs the ^ZU routine.  Any
exit from the VISTA software (^ZU) will cause the script to end and return
to the calling Unix startup script.  That causes the Unix "exit" command to
run and ends the users Unix session returning the user to the Unix username
and password.
Hope this helps.
Ben
   

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RE: [Hardhats-members] Login Security

2004-10-11 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
Ben --

The best advice I was ever given when learning to play pool was to call
my shots, "Watch this."  How could I possibly live up to the
expectations set by a statement like "Your best information will be
coming from Bhaskar soon?"  8-]

Shaun --

If what you are trying to do is create a user who can do nothing on the
system other than run VistA, what Ben has is an excellent example of how
to set up a user who does nothing other than run VistA.  As soon as s/he
logs in, s/he runs VistA, and as soon as s/he exits VistA, s/he is
logged off the computer.

The only suggestion I would have is to trap signals and prevent the user
from getting to the shell, with something like

  trap exit SIGINT SIGTERM SIGQUIT SIGHUP

and prevent a SIGSUSP with something like

  stty susp \000

Put these right at the beginning of the shell script.

GT.M by itself is not designed to be a login shell, and I am amazed that
it even partially worked for you.

I am not sure I like Ben's choice of /usr/local/gtm/log for $gtm_log.  I
would keep /usr/local/gtm and everything under it unchanged, and point
$gtm_log somewhere else, such as /var/log/gtm or /var/log/gtm/
(remember to create it first with mkdir).

If you are concerned about users pressing ^C when running VistA, the
recommended way is to trap it in M application code.  If this is not
permitted, then instead of starting VistA with mumps -run ^ZU, start it
with mumps -run ^xyz where xyz.m is something like:

xyz Use $P:(NoCEnable)
Do ^ZU
Quit

If between Ben and me we have not answered your question, please ask it
again.

Regards
-- Bhaskar

On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 18:13, Benjamin Irwin wrote:
> Your best information will be coming from Bhaskar soon, but I have included
> my start up information in the following two files.
> 
> I have a user named "vista".  The .bash_profile follows:
> ---
> 
> # .bash_profile
> 
> # Get the aliases and functions
> if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
> . ~/.bashrc
> fi
> 
> # User specific environment and startup programs
> 
> PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
> 
> export PATH
> unset USERNAME
> 
> /usr/local/gtm/VISTA
> exit
> 
> ---
> 
> Note the "exit" at the very end of the ".bash_profile" this is the Unix
> command that is performed when the user is done running the script
> "/usr/local/gtm/VISTA".
> 
> The "/usr/local/gtm/VISTA" script follows.
> ---
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> #
> export gtm_dist=/usr/local/gtm
> export gtm_log=/usr/local/gtm/log
> export gtmgbldir=/usr/local/gtm/vista/g/mumps.gld
> export gtm_vista=/usr/local/gtm/vista
> export PATH=$PATH:$gtm_dist
> #
> export gtmroutines="$gtm_dist($gtm_dist)
> /home/biskate/swa(/home/biskate/swa) $g
> tm_vista/o($gtm_vista/r/A $gtm_vista/r/B $gtm_vista/r/C $gtm_vista/r/D
> $gtm_vist
> a/r/E $gtm_vista/r/F $gtm_vista/r/G $gtm_vista/r/H $gtm_vista/r/I
> $gtm_vista/r/J
>  $gtm_vista/r/K $gtm_vista/r/L $gtm_vista/r/M $gtm_vista/r/N $gtm_vista/r/O
> $gtm
> _vista/r/P $gtm_vista/r/Q $gtm_vista/r/R $gtm_vista/r/S $gtm_vista/r/T
> $gtm_vist
> a/r/U $gtm_vista/r/V $gtm_vista/r/W $gtm_vista/r/X $gtm_vista/r/Y
> $gtm_vista/r/Z
>  $gtm_vista/r/_)"
> #
> mumps -run ^ZU
> 
> ---
> 
> The last line in this script starts MUMPS and runs the ^ZU routine.  Any
> exit from the VISTA software (^ZU) will cause the script to end and return
> to the calling Unix startup script.  That causes the Unix "exit" command to
> run and ends the users Unix session returning the user to the Unix username
> and password.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Ben

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RE: [Hardhats-members] Login Security

2004-10-11 Thread Benjamin Irwin
Your best information will be coming from Bhaskar soon, but I have included
my start up information in the following two files.

I have a user named "vista".  The .bash_profile follows:
---

# .bash_profile

# Get the aliases and functions
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
. ~/.bashrc
fi

# User specific environment and startup programs

PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin

export PATH
unset USERNAME

/usr/local/gtm/VISTA
exit

---

Note the "exit" at the very end of the ".bash_profile" this is the Unix
command that is performed when the user is done running the script
"/usr/local/gtm/VISTA".

The "/usr/local/gtm/VISTA" script follows.
---

#!/bin/bash
#
export gtm_dist=/usr/local/gtm
export gtm_log=/usr/local/gtm/log
export gtmgbldir=/usr/local/gtm/vista/g/mumps.gld
export gtm_vista=/usr/local/gtm/vista
export PATH=$PATH:$gtm_dist
#
export gtmroutines="$gtm_dist($gtm_dist)
/home/biskate/swa(/home/biskate/swa) $g
tm_vista/o($gtm_vista/r/A $gtm_vista/r/B $gtm_vista/r/C $gtm_vista/r/D
$gtm_vist
a/r/E $gtm_vista/r/F $gtm_vista/r/G $gtm_vista/r/H $gtm_vista/r/I
$gtm_vista/r/J
 $gtm_vista/r/K $gtm_vista/r/L $gtm_vista/r/M $gtm_vista/r/N $gtm_vista/r/O
$gtm
_vista/r/P $gtm_vista/r/Q $gtm_vista/r/R $gtm_vista/r/S $gtm_vista/r/T
$gtm_vist
a/r/U $gtm_vista/r/V $gtm_vista/r/W $gtm_vista/r/X $gtm_vista/r/Y
$gtm_vista/r/Z
 $gtm_vista/r/_)"
#
mumps -run ^ZU

---

The last line in this script starts MUMPS and runs the ^ZU routine.  Any
exit from the VISTA software (^ZU) will cause the script to end and return
to the calling Unix startup script.  That causes the Unix "exit" command to
run and ends the users Unix session returning the user to the Unix username
and password.

Hope this helps.

Ben



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CS Wagner
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Login Security


I've been trying to get the shell to be GTM.  I set it up in 
/etc/passwd, but the bash_profile wasn't parsed yet.  So, it work.  
Also, once I got the shell to be gtm, I haven't figured out how to pipe 
D ^ZU into it as the first (automatic) command.  Even if I get that 
working, can't they kill D ^ZU and type D ^XUP at the GTM prompt?  I'm 
answering questions for HIPAA computer guys, so I know they'll ask that.
-Shaun

Benjamin Irwin wrote:

>Shaun,
>
>If you use the command line D ^ZU, the system will ask for your Access 
>and Verify codes, using the standard security entry.
>
>Security is better accomplished so that the Unix (Linux) shell script 
>that is run when a user logs into Unix runs GTM and the routine ^ZU.  
>That way when the user logs out of Vista, they are also logged out of 
>Unix and they never see the programmer prompt (MUMPS Prompt).
>
>GTM>D ^ZU
> 
>   Welcome to OpenVista
>
>Volume set: ROU:10  UCI: VAH  Device: /dev/pts/0
>
>ACCESS CODE:
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CS 
>Wagner
>Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 1:38 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [Hardhats-members] Login Security
>
>
>I've been asked a question I can't find the answer to...
>
>Without using CPRS in any way, can login security be set up in VistA 
>for
>command-line (GTM) use?  As it is now, it asks IDENTITY? and you can 
>type any name you like.
>
> -Shaun
>
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Login Security

2004-10-11 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Shaun,

When using the GTM command-line form, it is expected
that the end-user would not be presented with a GTM
prompt.  I.e. there is a way that the command ^XUS
(sign-in) would be called.  This would force security.
 There was a discussion earlier, also, about
preventing users from typing ^C to drop to the command
line.

Kevin

--- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've been asked a question I can't find the answer
> to...
> 
> Without using CPRS in any way, can login security be
> set up in VistA for 
> command-line (GTM) use?  As it is now, it asks
> IDENTITY? and you can 
> type any name you like.
> 
>  -Shaun
> 
> 
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Login Security

2004-10-11 Thread Nancy E. Anthracite
I am glad to see you are still on the hunt.  Are you still interested in 
trying to limit the CPRS-GUI reply to one port, or it it too late?  If not, 
maybe some of us that have a functioning Delphi system can see if we can 
figure this out.  I, for one, do not know enough, but I could work with 
someone using VNC or PCAnywhere to give it a whirl if they want to try on my 
system.


On Monday 11 October 2004 14:30, Benjamin Irwin wrote:
> Shaun,
>
> If you use the command line D ^ZU, the system will ask for your Access and
> Verify codes, using the standard security entry.
>
> Security is better accomplished so that the Unix (Linux) shell script that
> is run when a user logs into Unix runs GTM and the routine ^ZU.  That way
> when the user logs out of Vista, they are also logged out of Unix and they
> never see the programmer prompt (MUMPS Prompt).
>
> GTM>D ^ZU
>
>Welcome to OpenVista
>
> Volume set: ROU:10  UCI: VAH  Device: /dev/pts/0
>
> ACCESS CODE:
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CS
> Wagner Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 1:38 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Hardhats-members] Login Security
>
>
> I've been asked a question I can't find the answer to...
>
> Without using CPRS in any way, can login security be set up in VistA for
> command-line (GTM) use?  As it is now, it asks IDENTITY? and you can
> type any name you like.
>
>  -Shaun
>
>
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Login Security

2004-10-11 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
Shaun --

I will reply to this as soon as I am able to.  I have a couple of hot
things that I need to deal with first.

-- Bhaskar

On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 14:57, CS Wagner wrote:
> I've been trying to get the shell to be GTM.  I set it up in 
> /etc/passwd, but the bash_profile wasn't parsed yet.  So, it work.  
> Also, once I got the shell to be gtm, I haven't figured out how to pipe 
> D ^ZU into it as the first (automatic) command.  Even if I get that 
> working, can't they kill D ^ZU and type D ^XUP at the GTM prompt?  I'm 
> answering questions for HIPAA computer guys, so I know they'll ask that.
>  -Shaun
> 
> Benjamin Irwin wrote:
> 
> >Shaun,
> >
> >If you use the command line D ^ZU, the system will ask for your Access and
> >Verify codes, using the standard security entry.
> >
> >Security is better accomplished so that the Unix (Linux) shell script that
> >is run when a user logs into Unix runs GTM and the routine ^ZU.  That way
> >when the user logs out of Vista, they are also logged out of Unix and they
> >never see the programmer prompt (MUMPS Prompt).
> >
> >GTM>D ^ZU
> > 
> >   Welcome to OpenVista
> >
> >Volume set: ROU:10  UCI: VAH  Device: /dev/pts/0
> >
> >ACCESS CODE:
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CS Wagner
> >Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 1:38 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: [Hardhats-members] Login Security
> >
> >
> >I've been asked a question I can't find the answer to...
> >
> >Without using CPRS in any way, can login security be set up in VistA for 
> >command-line (GTM) use?  As it is now, it asks IDENTITY? and you can 
> >type any name you like.
> >
> > -Shaun
> >
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Login Security

2004-10-11 Thread CS Wagner
I've been trying to get the shell to be GTM.  I set it up in 
/etc/passwd, but the bash_profile wasn't parsed yet.  So, it work.  
Also, once I got the shell to be gtm, I haven't figured out how to pipe 
D ^ZU into it as the first (automatic) command.  Even if I get that 
working, can't they kill D ^ZU and type D ^XUP at the GTM prompt?  I'm 
answering questions for HIPAA computer guys, so I know they'll ask that.
-Shaun

Benjamin Irwin wrote:
Shaun,
If you use the command line D ^ZU, the system will ask for your Access and
Verify codes, using the standard security entry.
Security is better accomplished so that the Unix (Linux) shell script that
is run when a user logs into Unix runs GTM and the routine ^ZU.  That way
when the user logs out of Vista, they are also logged out of Unix and they
never see the programmer prompt (MUMPS Prompt).
GTM>D ^ZU
  Welcome to OpenVista
Volume set: ROU:10  UCI: VAH  Device: /dev/pts/0
ACCESS CODE:

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I've been asked a question I can't find the answer to...
Without using CPRS in any way, can login security be set up in VistA for 
command-line (GTM) use?  As it is now, it asks IDENTITY? and you can 
type any name you like.

-Shaun
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Login Security

2004-10-11 Thread Benjamin Irwin
Shaun,

If you use the command line D ^ZU, the system will ask for your Access and
Verify codes, using the standard security entry.

Security is better accomplished so that the Unix (Linux) shell script that
is run when a user logs into Unix runs GTM and the routine ^ZU.  That way
when the user logs out of Vista, they are also logged out of Unix and they
never see the programmer prompt (MUMPS Prompt).

GTM>D ^ZU
 
   Welcome to OpenVista

Volume set: ROU:10  UCI: VAH  Device: /dev/pts/0

ACCESS CODE:



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Subject: [Hardhats-members] Login Security


I've been asked a question I can't find the answer to...

Without using CPRS in any way, can login security be set up in VistA for 
command-line (GTM) use?  As it is now, it asks IDENTITY? and you can 
type any name you like.

 -Shaun


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[Hardhats-members] Login Security

2004-10-11 Thread CS Wagner
I've been asked a question I can't find the answer to...
Without using CPRS in any way, can login security be set up in VistA for 
command-line (GTM) use?  As it is now, it asks IDENTITY? and you can 
type any name you like.

-Shaun
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