[Hardhats-members] SemiVivAFOIAGold20050212

2005-03-08 Thread Mark Street
Now that I have scrapped through the circa 2003 stuff it is time to give the 
latest and greatest a try.

1.  Does this release run under Fedora Core 3?

2.  I would rather not utilize the vista script with Xdialog as I am accessing 
the server with no X binaries or libraries installed.  Can I do this with 
SemiVivA?

I recall the previous posts about making the script use a curses based 
interface but I just want to place source, dat and objects of the tarball 
and start configuration.

Is the vista install/run script an attempt to simplify/installation of 
OpenVista?
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RE: [Hardhats-members] SemiVivAFOIAGold20050212

2005-03-08 Thread David Sommers
I haven't tried FC3 but I would really like to know if anyone comes
across any "issues" with running it on FC3.

/David.

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Now that I have scrapped through the circa 2003 stuff it is time to give
the 
latest and greatest a try.

1.  Does this release run under Fedora Core 3?

2.  I would rather not utilize the vista script with Xdialog as I am
accessing 
the server with no X binaries or libraries installed.  Can I do this
with 
SemiVivA?

I recall the previous posts about making the script use a curses based 
interface but I just want to place source, dat and objects of the
tarball 
and start configuration.

Is the vista install/run script an attempt to simplify/installation of 
OpenVista?
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Re: [Hardhats-members] SemiVivAFOIAGold20050212

2005-03-08 Thread Bhaskar, KS
On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 14:16 -0800, Mark Street wrote: 
> Now that I have scrapped through the circa 2003 stuff it is time to give the 
> latest and greatest a try.
> 
> 1.  Does this release run under Fedora Core 3?

[KSB] It has been reported as running on FC3.  However, FC3 may have a
default setting that prevents processes from executing code from heap
(malloc'd) space.  Since GT.M is a true compiler and M requires dynamic
compilation of code, if turned on, this setting must be turned off.  I
don't have personal experience with FC.

> 2.  I would rather not utilize the vista script with Xdialog as I am 
> accessing 
> the server with no X binaries or libraries installed.  Can I do this with 
> SemiVivA?

[KSB] Short answer: yes.

Long answer: you don't need to use the /usr/local/OpenVistA/vista script
to run VistA on GT.M, on either VivA or SemiVivA.  All it does is set up
a bunch of environment variables using Xdialog for user interaction.
Check the script for the environment variables it sets (and note that it
calls /usr/local/gtm/gtmprofile).  Minimally, you will need to set:

$vista_home (needed if you wan to use the global directory
at /usr/local/OpenVistA/g/mumps.gld; tnot needed if you create your own
global directory) to point to something
like /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212 if the database is
at /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/g/mumps.dat, dynamically created
source routines are in the directory /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/r
and dynamically compiled object files are to go
in /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/o.

$gtm_dist to point to /usr/local/gtm, the directory where GT.M is
installed.

$gtmgbldir to point to the global directory,
i.e., /usr/local/OpenVistA/g/mumps.gld.

$gtmroutines to point to
"/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/o(/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/r) 
/usr/local/OpenVistA/o(/usr/loca/OpenVistA/r) $gtm_dist"

So the following should allow you to execute VistA successfully:

To install Vista (look out for inopportune line breaks caused by mail):

  mkdir -p /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/{g,o,r}
  gzip -d /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/g/mumps.dat

To run VistA:

  source /usr/local/gtm/gtmprofile
  export vista_source=/usr/local/OpenVistA
  export vista_home=/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212
  export gtmgbldir=$vista_source/g/mumps.gld
  export gtmroutines="$vista_home/o($vista_home/r)
$vista_source/o($vista_source/r) $gtm_dist"
  $gtm_dist/mumps -dir

Have fun!

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Re: [Hardhats-members] SemiVivAFOIAGold20050212

2005-03-08 Thread Mark Street
OK, that clarifies it.  GT.M/Vista seems to run on FC3 just fine with Security 
Enhancements not configured.  I will start a new config and see how things go 
now that I have Fileman initialized.

One note, on the hardhats.org site Projects/install notes, the instructions 
are rather windows centric. ; )

On Tuesday 08 March 2005 15:08, Bhaskar, KS wrote:
> > 1.  Does this release run under Fedora Core 3?
>
> [KSB] It has been reported as running on FC3.  However, FC3 may have a
> default setting that prevents processes from executing code from heap
> (malloc'd) space.  Since GT.M is a true compiler and M requires dynamic
> compilation of code, if turned on, this setting must be turned off.  I
> don't have personal experience with FC.
>
> > 2.  I would rather not utilize the vista script with Xdialog as I am
> > accessing the server with no X binaries or libraries installed.  Can I do
> > this with SemiVivA?
>
> [KSB] Short answer: yes.
>
> Long answer: you don't need to use the /usr/local/OpenVistA/vista script
> to run VistA on GT.M, on either VivA or SemiVivA.  All it does is set up
> a bunch of environment variables using Xdialog for user interaction.
> Check the script for the environment variables it sets (and note that it
> calls /usr/local/gtm/gtmprofile).  Minimally, you will need to set:
>
> $vista_home (needed if you wan to use the global directory
> at /usr/local/OpenVistA/g/mumps.gld; tnot needed if you create your own
> global directory) to point to something
> like /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212 if the database is
> at /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/g/mumps.dat, dynamically created
> source routines are in the directory /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/r
> and dynamically compiled object files are to go
> in /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/o.
>
> $gtm_dist to point to /usr/local/gtm, the directory where GT.M is
> installed.
>
> $gtmgbldir to point to the global directory,
> i.e., /usr/local/OpenVistA/g/mumps.gld.
>
> $gtmroutines to point to
> "/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/o(/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/r)
> /usr/local/OpenVistA/o(/usr/loca/OpenVistA/r) $gtm_dist"
>
> So the following should allow you to execute VistA successfully:
>
> To install Vista (look out for inopportune line breaks caused by mail):
>
>   mkdir -p /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/{g,o,r}
>   gzip -d 
> >/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/g/mumps.dat
>
> To run VistA:
>
>   source /usr/local/gtm/gtmprofile
>   export vista_source=/usr/local/OpenVistA
>   export vista_home=/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212
>   export gtmgbldir=$vista_source/g/mumps.gld
>   export gtmroutines="$vista_home/o($vista_home/r)
> $vista_source/o($vista_source/r) $gtm_dist"
>   $gtm_dist/mumps -dir
>
> Have fun!
>
> -- Bhaskar
>
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Re: [Hardhats-members] SemiVivAFOIAGold20050212

2005-03-08 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Mark,

You take good documentation where you can get it.  You
are in a great position to help us improve our
documentation.  I did this somewhat when I was
figuring it out also.  It is hard to remember what you
don't know, and the order that you had to learn it.

If you could help with non-windows centric
documentation, we would be very grateful.  "Help the
next guy."

Kevin

--- Mark Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> OK, that clarifies it.  GT.M/Vista seems to run on
> FC3 just fine with Security 
> Enhancements not configured.  I will start a new
> config and see how things go 
> now that I have Fileman initialized.
> 
> One note, on the hardhats.org site Projects/install
> notes, the instructions 
> are rather windows centric. ; )
> 
> On Tuesday 08 March 2005 15:08, Bhaskar, KS wrote:
> > > 1.  Does this release run under Fedora Core 3?
> >
> > [KSB] It has been reported as running on FC3. 
> However, FC3 may have a
> > default setting that prevents processes from
> executing code from heap
> > (malloc'd) space.  Since GT.M is a true compiler
> and M requires dynamic
> > compilation of code, if turned on, this setting
> must be turned off.  I
> > don't have personal experience with FC.
> >
> > > 2.  I would rather not utilize the vista script
> with Xdialog as I am
> > > accessing the server with no X binaries or
> libraries installed.  Can I do
> > > this with SemiVivA?
> >
> > [KSB] Short answer: yes.
> >
> > Long answer: you don't need to use the
> /usr/local/OpenVistA/vista script
> > to run VistA on GT.M, on either VivA or SemiVivA. 
> All it does is set up
> > a bunch of environment variables using Xdialog for
> user interaction.
> > Check the script for the environment variables it
> sets (and note that it
> > calls /usr/local/gtm/gtmprofile).  Minimally, you
> will need to set:
> >
> > $vista_home (needed if you wan to use the global
> directory
> > at /usr/local/OpenVistA/g/mumps.gld; tnot needed
> if you create your own
> > global directory) to point to something
> > like /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212 if the
> database is
> > at /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/g/mumps.dat,
> dynamically created
> > source routines are in the directory
> /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/r
> > and dynamically compiled object files are to go
> > in /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/o.
> >
> > $gtm_dist to point to /usr/local/gtm, the
> directory where GT.M is
> > installed.
> >
> > $gtmgbldir to point to the global directory,
> > i.e., /usr/local/OpenVistA/g/mumps.gld.
> >
> > $gtmroutines to point to
> >
>
"/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/o(/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/r)
> > /usr/local/OpenVistA/o(/usr/loca/OpenVistA/r)
> $gtm_dist"
> >
> > So the following should allow you to execute VistA
> successfully:
> >
> > To install Vista (look out for inopportune line
> breaks caused by mail):
> >
> >   mkdir -p
> /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/{g,o,r}
> >   gzip -d  >
> > >/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/g/mumps.dat
> >
> > To run VistA:
> >
> >   source /usr/local/gtm/gtmprofile
> >   export vista_source=/usr/local/OpenVistA
> >   export
> vista_home=/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212
> >   export gtmgbldir=$vista_source/g/mumps.gld
> >   export gtmroutines="$vista_home/o($vista_home/r)
> > $vista_source/o($vista_source/r) $gtm_dist"
> >   $gtm_dist/mumps -dir
> >
> > Have fun!
> >
> > -- Bhaskar
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Hardhats-members] SemiVivAFOIAGold20050212

2005-03-08 Thread Mark Street
I plan to do just this very thing.  I have been doing this all day in between 
patients.

1.  I am still learning the different sources for Vista documentation on the 
web.  One thing I was a bit intimidated by at first was the different sources 
and not knowing exactly where to start or where to go next  which is why 
I mentioned the wiki.

2.  I am still learning the different strengths of those that contribute on 
the hardhats list.

The geocities.com/kdtop3 site and hardhats.org are both very good resources 
with lots of information.  Sifting through for relevance can be a bit 
challenging. which is why I initially went for the HUI doc and installed 
from source.  

Would the wiki be the best place?

On Tuesday 08 March 2005 16:57, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
> Mark,
>
> You take good documentation where you can get it.  You
> are in a great position to help us improve our
> documentation.  I did this somewhat when I was
> figuring it out also.  It is hard to remember what you
> don't know, and the order that you had to learn it.
>
> If you could help with non-windows centric
> documentation, we would be very grateful.  "Help the
> next guy."
>
> Kevin
>
> --- Mark Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > OK, that clarifies it.  GT.M/Vista seems to run on
> > FC3 just fine with Security
> > Enhancements not configured.  I will start a new
> > config and see how things go
> > now that I have Fileman initialized.
> >
> > One note, on the hardhats.org site Projects/install
> > notes, the instructions
> > are rather windows centric. ; )
> >
> > On Tuesday 08 March 2005 15:08, Bhaskar, KS wrote:
> > > > 1.  Does this release run under Fedora Core 3?
> > >
> > > [KSB] It has been reported as running on FC3.
> >
> > However, FC3 may have a
> >
> > > default setting that prevents processes from
> >
> > executing code from heap
> >
> > > (malloc'd) space.  Since GT.M is a true compiler
> >
> > and M requires dynamic
> >
> > > compilation of code, if turned on, this setting
> >
> > must be turned off.  I
> >
> > > don't have personal experience with FC.
> > >
> > > > 2.  I would rather not utilize the vista script
> >
> > with Xdialog as I am
> >
> > > > accessing the server with no X binaries or
> >
> > libraries installed.  Can I do
> >
> > > > this with SemiVivA?
> > >
> > > [KSB] Short answer: yes.
> > >
> > > Long answer: you don't need to use the
> >
> > /usr/local/OpenVistA/vista script
> >
> > > to run VistA on GT.M, on either VivA or SemiVivA.
> >
> > All it does is set up
> >
> > > a bunch of environment variables using Xdialog for
> >
> > user interaction.
> >
> > > Check the script for the environment variables it
> >
> > sets (and note that it
> >
> > > calls /usr/local/gtm/gtmprofile).  Minimally, you
> >
> > will need to set:
> > > $vista_home (needed if you wan to use the global
> >
> > directory
> >
> > > at /usr/local/OpenVistA/g/mumps.gld; tnot needed
> >
> > if you create your own
> >
> > > global directory) to point to something
> > > like /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212 if the
> >
> > database is
> >
> > > at /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/g/mumps.dat,
> >
> > dynamically created
> >
> > > source routines are in the directory
> >
> > /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/r
> >
> > > and dynamically compiled object files are to go
> > > in /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/o.
> > >
> > > $gtm_dist to point to /usr/local/gtm, the
> >
> > directory where GT.M is
> >
> > > installed.
> > >
> > > $gtmgbldir to point to the global directory,
> > > i.e., /usr/local/OpenVistA/g/mumps.gld.
> > >
> > > $gtmroutines to point to
>
> "/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/o(/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/r)
>
> > > /usr/local/OpenVistA/o(/usr/loca/OpenVistA/r)
> >
> > $gtm_dist"
> >
> > > So the following should allow you to execute VistA
> >
> > successfully:
> > > To install Vista (look out for inopportune line
> >
> > breaks caused by mail):
> > >   mkdir -p
> >
> > /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/{g,o,r}
> >
> > >   gzip -d  > >
> > > >/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/g/mumps.dat
> > >
> > > To run VistA:
> > >
> > >   source /usr/local/gtm/gtmprofile
> > >   export vista_source=/usr/local/OpenVistA
> > >   export
> >
> > vista_home=/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212
> >
> > >   export gtmgbldir=$vista_source/g/mumps.gld
> > >   export gtmroutines="$vista_home/o($vista_home/r)
> > > $vista_source/o($vista_source/r) $gtm_dist"
> > >   $gtm_dist/mumps -dir
> > >
> > > Have fun!
> > >
> > > -- Bhaskar
>
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Re: [Hardhats-members] SemiVivAFOIAGold20050212

2005-03-08 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Mark,

I think the Wiki would be great place to put
documentation.  And you are welcome to grab and
copy/modify whatever you want from my
geocities.com/kdtop3 site.

Let us know when you have something up.

P.S. are you a physician? 

Kevin

--- Mark Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I plan to do just this very thing.  I have been
> doing this all day in between 
> patients.
> 
> 1.  I am still learning the different sources for
> Vista documentation on the 
> web.  One thing I was a bit intimidated by at first
> was the different sources 
> and not knowing exactly where to start or where to
> go next  which is why 
> I mentioned the wiki.
> 
> 2.  I am still learning the different strengths of
> those that contribute on 
> the hardhats list.
> 
> The geocities.com/kdtop3 site and hardhats.org are
> both very good resources 
> with lots of information.  Sifting through for
> relevance can be a bit 
> challenging. which is why I initially went for
> the HUI doc and installed 
> from source.  
> 
> Would the wiki be the best place?
> 
> On Tuesday 08 March 2005 16:57, Kevin Toppenberg
> wrote:
> > Mark,
> >
> > You take good documentation where you can get it. 
> You
> > are in a great position to help us improve our
> > documentation.  I did this somewhat when I was
> > figuring it out also.  It is hard to remember what
> you
> > don't know, and the order that you had to learn
> it.
> >
> > If you could help with non-windows centric
> > documentation, we would be very grateful.  "Help
> the
> > next guy."
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > --- Mark Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > OK, that clarifies it.  GT.M/Vista seems to run
> on
> > > FC3 just fine with Security
> > > Enhancements not configured.  I will start a new
> > > config and see how things go
> > > now that I have Fileman initialized.
> > >
> > > One note, on the hardhats.org site
> Projects/install
> > > notes, the instructions
> > > are rather windows centric. ; )
> > >
> > > On Tuesday 08 March 2005 15:08, Bhaskar, KS
> wrote:
> > > > > 1.  Does this release run under Fedora Core
> 3?
> > > >
> > > > [KSB] It has been reported as running on FC3.
> > >
> > > However, FC3 may have a
> > >
> > > > default setting that prevents processes from
> > >
> > > executing code from heap
> > >
> > > > (malloc'd) space.  Since GT.M is a true
> compiler
> > >
> > > and M requires dynamic
> > >
> > > > compilation of code, if turned on, this
> setting
> > >
> > > must be turned off.  I
> > >
> > > > don't have personal experience with FC.
> > > >
> > > > > 2.  I would rather not utilize the vista
> script
> > >
> > > with Xdialog as I am
> > >
> > > > > accessing the server with no X binaries or
> > >
> > > libraries installed.  Can I do
> > >
> > > > > this with SemiVivA?
> > > >
> > > > [KSB] Short answer: yes.
> > > >
> > > > Long answer: you don't need to use the
> > >
> > > /usr/local/OpenVistA/vista script
> > >
> > > > to run VistA on GT.M, on either VivA or
> SemiVivA.
> > >
> > > All it does is set up
> > >
> > > > a bunch of environment variables using Xdialog
> for
> > >
> > > user interaction.
> > >
> > > > Check the script for the environment variables
> it
> > >
> > > sets (and note that it
> > >
> > > > calls /usr/local/gtm/gtmprofile).  Minimally,
> you
> > >
> > > will need to set:
> > > > $vista_home (needed if you wan to use the
> global
> > >
> > > directory
> > >
> > > > at /usr/local/OpenVistA/g/mumps.gld; tnot
> needed
> > >
> > > if you create your own
> > >
> > > > global directory) to point to something
> > > > like /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212 if the
> > >
> > > database is
> > >
> > > > at
> /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/g/mumps.dat,
> > >
> > > dynamically created
> > >
> > > > source routines are in the directory
> > >
> > > /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/r
> > >
> > > > and dynamically compiled object files are to
> go
> > > > in /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/o.
> > > >
> > > > $gtm_dist to point to /usr/local/gtm, the
> > >
> > > directory where GT.M is
> > >
> > > > installed.
> > > >
> > > > $gtmgbldir to point to the global directory,
> > > > i.e., /usr/local/OpenVistA/g/mumps.gld.
> > > >
> > > > $gtmroutines to point to
> >
> >
>
"/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/o(/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/r)
> >
> > > > /usr/local/OpenVistA/o(/usr/loca/OpenVistA/r)
> > >
> > > $gtm_dist"
> > >
> > > > So the following should allow you to execute
> VistA
> > >
> > > successfully:
> > > > To install Vista (look out for inopportune
> line
> > >
> > > breaks caused by mail):
> > > >   mkdir -p
> > >
> > > /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/{g,o,r}
> > >
> > > >   gzip -d  > > >
> > > > >/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/g/mumps.dat
> > > >
> > > > To run VistA:
> > > >
> > > >   source /usr/local/gtm/gtmprofile
> > > >   export vista_source=/usr/local/OpenVistA
> > > >   export
> > >
> > > vista_home=/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212
> > >
> > > >   export gtmgbldir=$vista_source/g/mumps.gld
> > > >   export
> gtmroutine

RE: [Hardhats-members] SemiVivAFOIAGold20050212

2005-03-08 Thread Bhaskar, KS
Title: RE: [Hardhats-members] SemiVivAFOIAGold20050212









-Original Message-

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Sent:   Tue 3/8/2005 6:08 PM

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Subject:    Re: [Hardhats-members] SemiVivAFOIAGold20050212

On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 14:16 -0800, Mark Street wrote: 


[KSB] <...snip..>


Check the script for the environment variables it sets (and note that it

calls /usr/local/gtm/gtmprofile).  Minimally, you will need to set:


$vista_home (needed if you wan to use the global directory

at /usr/local/OpenVistA/g/mumps.gld; tnot needed if you create your own

global directory) to point to something

like /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212 if the database is

at /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/g/mumps.dat, dynamically created

source routines are in the directory /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/r

and dynamically compiled object files are to go

in /home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/o.


$gtm_dist to point to /usr/local/gtm, the directory where GT.M is

installed.


$gtmgbldir to point to the global directory,

i.e., /usr/local/OpenVistA/g/mumps.gld.


$gtmroutines to point to

"/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/o(/home/mark/myVistA/VistA20050212/r) /usr/local/OpenVistA/o(/usr/loca/OpenVistA/r) $gtm_dist"

[KSB] Let me make a plug here for the GT.M Acculturation CD which you can download from http://sourceforge.net/projects/sanchez-gtm - work your way through the exercises on it, and the above will (well, should!) all become crystal clear...

-- Bhaskar