Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository
On 8/29/05, Ruben Safir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why is this called Source Code subversion? > Do you mean, "What is the origin of the name Subversion for this repository software?" http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/ch01s02.html In February 2000, they contacted Karl Fogel, the author of Open Source Development with CVS (Coriolis, 1999), and asked if he'd like to work on this new project. Coincidentally, at the time Karl was already discussing a design for a new version control system with his friend Jim Blandy. In 1995, the two had started Cyclic Software, a company providing CVS support contracts, and although they later sold the business, they still used CVS every day at their jobs. Their frustration with CVS had led Jim to think carefully about better ways to manage versioned data, and he'd already come up with not only the name "Subversion", but also with the basic design of the Subversion repository. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository
Why is this called Source Code subversion? Ruben On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 12:04, James Gray wrote: > Not necessarily. It depends on the purpose of doing it. (Note that "it" is > not necessarily software or anything to do with computers.) If the purpose > was because it was fun to do or to teach yourself something you do not need > to go past just doing it for it to be worth doing. > > Jim Gray > > - Original Message - > From: "Aylesworth Marc A Ctr AFRL/IFSE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:35 AM > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository > > > > But after it is done it should be improved upon until it is decent. > > > > Thanks > > > > Marc Aylesworth > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg > > Woodhouse > > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:18 PM > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository > > > > > > --- Chris Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> If it is worth > >> doing, > >> it is worth doing poorly. > >> > > > > :-) > > > > Even if it is *worth* doing poorly, I certainly hope it is not > > obligatory to do so! > > > > > > === > > Gregory Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more > > to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." > > -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle > > Practices > > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA > > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > > ___ > > Hardhats-members mailing list > > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > --- > > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle > > Practices > > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA > > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > > ___ > > Hardhats-members mailing list > > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > --- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > ___ > Hardhats-members mailing list > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository
On 8/29/05, James Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not necessarily. It depends on the purpose of doing it. (Note that "it" is > not necessarily software or anything to do with computers.) If the purpose > was because it was fun to do or to teach yourself something you do not need > to go past just doing it for it to be worth doing. Giving what YOU chose to do your full attention is the only way to completely experience the act. Of course, if you're just banging crap out for work, y'all might just be "Closing Your Eyes, and Thinking Of England"... --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository
Not necessarily. It depends on the purpose of doing it. (Note that "it" is not necessarily software or anything to do with computers.) If the purpose was because it was fun to do or to teach yourself something you do not need to go past just doing it for it to be worth doing. Jim Gray - Original Message - From: "Aylesworth Marc A Ctr AFRL/IFSE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:35 AM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository But after it is done it should be improved upon until it is decent. Thanks Marc Aylesworth Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:18 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository --- Chris Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If it is worth doing, it is worth doing poorly. :-) Even if it is *worth* doing poorly, I certainly hope it is not obligatory to do so! === Gregory Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository
But after it is done it should be improved upon until it is decent. Thanks Marc Aylesworth C3I Associates AFRL/IFSE Joint Battlespace Infosphere Team 525 Brooks Rd Rome, NY 13441-4505 Tel:315.330.2422 Fax:315.330.7009 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:18 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository --- Chris Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If it is worth > doing, > it is worth doing poorly. > :-) Even if it is *worth* doing poorly, I certainly hope it is not obligatory to do so! === Gregory Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository
"Perfection is the enemy of success." > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Richardson > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:50 AM > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository > > If you wait for perfection, nothing ever gets done. If it is worth doing, > it is worth doing poorly. > > I know, reality comes hard to a lot of people. ;^) > >Chris > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Lieman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository > > > On 8/26/05, Kevin Toppenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Speaking of the Borland framework, I think it is an amazing work of > > Art. I have always been disappointed that it is not taken more > > seriously in the programming community. It seems that everyone turns > > up their noses as sniffs that "its based on Pascal", as if Pascal is > > not a real language, or that it compiles to slower code than C/C++ > > > > Kevin > > "Good enough" is the enemy of "Perfect". > > If the world was twice as smart, we'd all be on Macs. > > /me shakes fist in air "Damn You Microsoft Marketing!" > > ( well, that, and the "Don't worry about the license, just install it" > mentality... VB "for free" or Borland Pascal 8, and a bill... ) > > > --- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle > Practices > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > ___ > Hardhats-members mailing list > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > > --- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle > Practices > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > ___ > Hardhats-members mailing list > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository
I remember when we first started looking at Delphi, and I remember well how much I was impressed by it. Of course, I still can't stand all those intitial T's (they're almost, not quite, but almost as annoying as all the initial NS's in the Cocoa framework), but that's a small thing. Of course, I've always really liked Pascal. No doubt it has something to do with the fact that I learned to program in Pascal, but it always seemed to me to be a clean, simple, and well thought out language. On top of that, I think Borland did a good job of incorporating object orientation into a language. in some ways, I think Java appeals to me because it feels like Delphi with a C-like syntax. --- Chris Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you wait for perfection, nothing ever gets done. If it is worth > doing, > it is worth doing poorly. > > I know, reality comes hard to a lot of people. ;^) > >Chris > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Lieman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion > Repository > > > On 8/26/05, Kevin Toppenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Speaking of the Borland framework, I think it is an amazing work of > > Art. I have always been disappointed that it is not taken more > > seriously in the programming community. It seems that everyone > turns > > up their noses as sniffs that "its based on Pascal", as if Pascal > is > > not a real language, or that it compiles to slower code than C/C++ > > > > Kevin > > "Good enough" is the enemy of "Perfect". > > If the world was twice as smart, we'd all be on Macs. > > /me shakes fist in air "Damn You Microsoft Marketing!" > > ( well, that, and the "Don't worry about the license, just install > it" > mentality... VB "for free" or Borland Pascal 8, and a bill... ) > > > --- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle > Practices > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing > & QA > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * > http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > ___ > Hardhats-members mailing list > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > > --- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle > Practices > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing > & QA > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * > http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > ___ > Hardhats-members mailing list > Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > === Gregory Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository
--- Chris Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If it is worth > doing, > it is worth doing poorly. > :-) Even if it is *worth* doing poorly, I certainly hope it is not obligatory to do so! === Gregory Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository
If you wait for perfection, nothing ever gets done. If it is worth doing, it is worth doing poorly. I know, reality comes hard to a lot of people. ;^) Chris - Original Message - From: "Mike Lieman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository On 8/26/05, Kevin Toppenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Speaking of the Borland framework, I think it is an amazing work of > Art. I have always been disappointed that it is not taken more > seriously in the programming community. It seems that everyone turns > up their noses as sniffs that "its based on Pascal", as if Pascal is > not a real language, or that it compiles to slower code than C/C++ > > Kevin "Good enough" is the enemy of "Perfect". If the world was twice as smart, we'd all be on Macs. /me shakes fist in air "Damn You Microsoft Marketing!" ( well, that, and the "Don't worry about the license, just install it" mentality... VB "for free" or Borland Pascal 8, and a bill... ) --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: CPRS Source Code Subversion Repository
On 8/26/05, Kevin Toppenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Speaking of the Borland framework, I think it is an amazing work of > Art. I have always been disappointed that it is not taken more > seriously in the programming community. It seems that everyone turns > up their noses as sniffs that "its based on Pascal", as if Pascal is > not a real language, or that it compiles to slower code than C/C++ > > Kevin "Good enough" is the enemy of "Perfect". If the world was twice as smart, we'd all be on Macs. /me shakes fist in air "Damn You Microsoft Marketing!" ( well, that, and the "Don't worry about the license, just install it" mentality... VB "for free" or Borland Pascal 8, and a bill... ) --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
