Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
Are the changes that are made tracked, i.e., exactly what is different and who made them? On Friday 28 January 2005 10:26 pm, steven mcphelan wrote: No it is not. It is the date that the WP field was last edited updated. I do not know if FM still does this, but it used to update that date even if you entered the WP field in Edit mode but did not actually do any editing. - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented? Thanks Steven. I assume that the FM date is the date the WP field was created. Thanks Kevin --- steven mcphelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Greg said no one should tamper with the zeroth node of a WP field when they can just as easily call WP^DIE. With that said, the proper syntax of the zeroth node of a WP field is ^^line count^line count^fm date^^. Don't ask me why the line count is repeated in the zeroth node. Perhaps they had different meanings many years ago. That is what I have known for 20 years. The word processing field data must be stored on sequential, integer subscripts starting with 1. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
Nancy, I think that would come under the auspices of auditing and journaling. The WP field itself has nowhere to store such data. Kevin --- Nancy E. Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are the changes that are made tracked, i.e., exactly what is different and who made them? On Friday 28 January 2005 10:26 pm, steven mcphelan wrote: No it is not. It is the date that the WP field was last edited updated. I do not know if FM still does this, but it used to update that date even if you entered the WP field in Edit mode but did not actually do any editing. - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented? Thanks Steven. I assume that the FM date is the date the WP field was created. Thanks Kevin --- steven mcphelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Greg said no one should tamper with the zeroth node of a WP field when they can just as easily call WP^DIE. With that said, the proper syntax of the zeroth node of a WP field is ^^line count^line count^fm date^^. Don't ask me why the line count is repeated in the zeroth node. Perhaps they had different meanings many years ago. That is what I have known for 20 years. The word processing field data must be stored on sequential, integer subscripts starting with 1. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
My concern was that if you looked at a file you might be accused of changing it, but then, if changing it makes the signature get scrambled, maybe that is how one protects against that problem. HIPAA requires auditing of looking and much more, so I guess that is why the date changes with the reading of the file and anything else that happens to it. It is also why I/we/you are eventually going to have to delve into auditing and how that is done and read and stored, etc., if you haven't done it already. On Saturday 29 January 2005 04:32 pm, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Nancy, I think that would come under the auspices of auditing and journaling. The WP field itself has nowhere to store such data. Kevin --- Nancy E. Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are the changes that are made tracked, i.e., exactly what is different and who made them? On Friday 28 January 2005 10:26 pm, steven mcphelan wrote: No it is not. It is the date that the WP field was last edited updated. I do not know if FM still does this, but it used to update that date even if you entered the WP field in Edit mode but did not actually do any editing. - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented? Thanks Steven. I assume that the FM date is the date the WP field was created. Thanks Kevin --- steven mcphelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Greg said no one should tamper with the zeroth node of a WP field when they can just as easily call WP^DIE. With that said, the proper syntax of the zeroth node of a WP field is ^^line count^line count^fm date^^. Don't ask me why the line count is repeated in the zeroth node. Perhaps they had different meanings many years ago. That is what I have known for 20 years. The word processing field data must be stored on sequential, integer subscripts starting with 1. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish
RE: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
Greg Woodhouse, 3:35am?? You need to get out more! John Clemens IT Specialist, Software IRMS Veterans Affairs Medical Center (662) 4150 Clement Street San Francisco, CA 94121 Phone: 415.221.4810 x4540 (Tu,Wed,Thu) Digital Pager:415.303.0388 ( Mon,Fri) Fax: 415.750.2177 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:23 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented? Calling the following code from the set logic of a new style cross-reference (on .01) should do the job: XREF; S ^TMP($J,WP,1)=LINE ONE S ^TMP($J,WP,2)=LINE TWO D WP^DIE(file#,DA_,,field#,,$NA(^TMP($J,WP))) K ^TMP($J,WP) Q --- Thurman Pedigo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, Guess that's because I don't understand it either. However, I find trigger one of the most tools I have in FileMan. It has been around for over 20 years (think MS SQL implemented it around 5-6 yr ago - with much fanfare). Just by using the change of value of a field as an event, one can populate almost any other field with whatever data appropriate - stored or free text. I say almost because I still can't trigger to WP. I need to investigate the cross-reference that calls WP^DIE a little further. I worked on this problem a few years ago and gave up on it because of inability to trigger a WP field. I'm not sure what it is you feel you don't understand, as you sure know this code better than I. Below, I present a couple of examples, just to see if we are in the same book. Sorry to chew up so much bandwidth. Just like to be sure we are on same sheet.. 1. Example 1: I created two fields to test WPTEST (WP field) and (WPCODETRGTEST) a SET OF CODES FIELD. Select Utility Functions Option: cross-Reference A Field What type of cross-reference (Traditional or New)? Traditional// TRADITIONAL MODIFY WHAT FILE: ENCOUNTERS FILE// Select FIELD: wpcODETRGTEST NO CURRENT CROSS-REFERENCE WANT TO CREATE A NEW CROSS-REFERENCE FOR THIS FIELD? No// y (Yes) CROSS-REFERENCE NUMBER: 1// Select TYPE OF INDEXING: REGULAR// tRIGGER WHEN THE WPCODETRGTEST field (#2021) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) IS CHA NGED, WHAT FIELD SHOULD BE 'TRIGGERED': WPTEST ...WPTEST YOU MUST IDENTIFY SOME FIELD, EITHER WITHIN THE 'ENCOUNTERS FILE' FILE OR IN SOME OTHER WHEN THE WPCODETRGTEST field (#2021) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) IS CHA NGED, WHAT FIELD SHOULD BE 'TRIGGERED': As you see, nothing happens here when I try to fire trigger at WPTEST. Now look at the inelegant, though powerful, one that works. As you can see, I lack programming proficiency. However, if I can make this thing work, think of the possibilities for general population.tx/t Example 2: Two fields (both date fields - though anything except WP works) === MODIFY WHAT FILE: ENCOUNTERS FILE// Select FIELD: DATETRG NO CURRENT CROSS-REFERENCE WANT TO CREATE A NEW CROSS-REFERENCE FOR THIS FIELD? No// Y (Yes) CROSS-REFERENCE NUMBER: 1// Select TYPE OF INDEXING: REGULAR// TRIGGER WHEN THE DATETRG field (#2025) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) IS CHANGED, WHAT FIELD SHOULD BE 'TRIGGERED': TRGDA By 'TRGDA', do you mean ENCOUNTERS FILE 'TRGDATERESULT'? Yes// (Yes) ...OK ---SET LOGIC--- IN ANSWERING THE FOLLOWING QUESTION, 'TRGDATERESULT' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE EXISTING TRIGGERED FIELD VALUE. PLEASE ENTER AN EXPRESSION WHICH WILL BECOME THE VALUE OF THE TRGDATERESULT field (#2026) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) WHENEVER THE 'DATETRG' FIELD IS ENTERED OR CHANGED: DATETRG DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE SETTING OF 'TRGDATERESULT' CONDITIONAL? No// Y (Yes) ENTER AN EXPRESSION FOR THE CONDITION: TRGDATERESULT= ---KILL LOGIC--- IN ANSWERING THE FOLLOWING QUESTION, 'TRGDATERESULT' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE EXISTING TRIGGERED FIELD VALUE. NOTE: 'OLD DATETRG' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE VALUE OF THE DATETRG FIELD BEFORE ITS CHANGE OR DELETION. PLEASE ENTER AN EXPRESSION WHICH WILL BECOME THE VALUE OF THE TRGDATERESULT field (#2026) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) WHENEVER THE 'DATETRG' FIELD IS CHANGED OR DELETED: DATETRG DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE SETTING OF 'TRGDATERESULT' CONDITIONAL? No// Y (Yes) NOTE: 'OLD DATETRG' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE VALUE OF THE DATETRG FIELD BEFORE ITS CHANGE OR DELETION. ENTER AN EXPRESSION FOR THE CONDITION: TRGDATERESULT=// WANT TO PROTECT THE 'TRGDATERESULT' FIELD, SO THAT IT CAN'T BE CHANGED BY THE 'ENTER EDIT' ROUTINE? No// (No) ...CROSS-REFERENCE IS SET DO YOU WANT TO RUN THE CROSS-REFERENCE FOR EXISTING ENTRIES NOW
Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
As Greg said no one should tamper with the zeroth node of a WP field when they can just as easily call WP^DIE. With that said, the proper syntax of the zeroth node of a WP field is ^^line count^line count^fm date^^. Don't ask me why the line count is repeated in the zeroth node. Perhaps they had different meanings many years ago. That is what I have known for 20 years. The word processing field data must be stored on sequential, integer subscripts starting with 1.
Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
Thanks Steven. I assume that the FM date is the date the WP field was created. Thanks Kevin --- steven mcphelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Greg said no one should tamper with the zeroth node of a WP field when they can just as easily call WP^DIE. With that said, the proper syntax of the zeroth node of a WP field is ^^line count^line count^fm date^^. Don't ask me why the line count is repeated in the zeroth node. Perhaps they had different meanings many years ago. That is what I have known for 20 years. The word processing field data must be stored on sequential, integer subscripts starting with 1. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
Preferred Version 8. It is $200 when not on sale. Usually, if you wait, you can get $100 rebates at some point. You will want either Preferred or | Professional and the latter is much more expensive. On Thursday 27 January 2005 11:41 pm, Thurman Pedigo wrote: Nancy, Which version of Dragon Dictate is this? Thanks, thurman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy E. Anthracite Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 3:12 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented? Have you explored using Dragon NaturallySpeaking for doing the initial typing of your notes? The computer record your voice and types at the same time, Then the transcriptionist can listen to what you said and correct it if it doesn't match. I understand that having that done by the transcriptionist is much less expensive and faster that way. . I have the name of a person who works for the company who puts out NaturallySpeaking and handles the technical issues for the VA where they use it with VistA if anyone would like me to connect up with her to find out the details of how it is done at VA hospitals. I was introduced to her by a friend at an IT vendors session at VA Headquarters were I work. Unfortunately, I could only talk with her for a few minutes, but she said having the right hardware was important, particularly enough memory. Memory is pretty cheap now. Personally, I was impressed that by feeding Dragon a few hundred of my written notes, it was able to pick up a lot of the medical vocabulary I use without my having to buy the medical vocabulary from the company, which saved a chunk of change. On Wednesday 26 January 2005 11:46 am, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: I didn't realize that. But in my case, it wouldn't be an issue. Here is my plan. A doctor uses CPRS to partly create a note. He doesn't sign it--just leaves it imcomplete. He might use templates to create the bulk of the note. However, sometimes templates don't capture the essence of a patient's problem, and narrative is required. The doctor would dictate this part. Then, during the upload process, the transcribed portion and the doctor's portion will be merged appropriately. This final note will be marked as requiring a doctor's signiture. I think this would capture the best of both worlds -- dictation and low cost not creation. Kevin Dewaine Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember that if you edit the text of a signed progress note the electronic signature will become a hashed jumble. This is a security feature designed into the product to ensure that once a document is signed its contents are not changed. (a watermark of sorts) You would want to be able to go into court and say with 100% confidence that the note that they printed out is the same note you signed and that no one has added or deleted anything since! So, when it comes to TIU, be careful. Dewaine --- Greg Woodhouse wrote: As a general rule, it is best not to touch the 0-node. What I recommend doding is extracting the file into a temporary array ($$GET1^DIQ will work), making any changes or additions you wish, and then filing it with WP^DIE. --- Kevin Toppenberg wrote: So it looks like the field is stored as: (...,TEXT,x,0), with x being the subsequent lines of the document. ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,0)=^^31^31^3050125^ The line I really want to understand is the line above. Those 31's refer to the number of lines in the document. I want to be able to insert text into a WP field programatically. So I will need to changed the Maxline property etc. So does anyone know where I can find the documentation for these field/pieces? Thanks Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members = A practical man is a man who practices the errors
Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
No it is not. It is the date that the WP field was last edited updated. I do not know if FM still does this, but it used to update that date even if you entered the WP field in Edit mode but did not actually do any editing. - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented? Thanks Steven. I assume that the FM date is the date the WP field was created. Thanks Kevin --- steven mcphelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Greg said no one should tamper with the zeroth node of a WP field when they can just as easily call WP^DIE. With that said, the proper syntax of the zeroth node of a WP field is ^^line count^line count^fm date^^. Don't ask me why the line count is repeated in the zeroth node. Perhaps they had different meanings many years ago. That is what I have known for 20 years. The word processing field data must be stored on sequential, integer subscripts starting with 1. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
Calling the following code from the set logic of a new style cross-reference (on .01) should do the job: XREF; S ^TMP($J,WP,1)=LINE ONE S ^TMP($J,WP,2)=LINE TWO D WP^DIE(file#,DA_,,field#,,$NA(^TMP($J,WP))) K ^TMP($J,WP) Q --- Thurman Pedigo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, Guess that's because I don't understand it either. However, I find trigger one of the most tools I have in FileMan. It has been around for over 20 years (think MS SQL implemented it around 5-6 yr ago - with much fanfare). Just by using the change of value of a field as an event, one can populate almost any other field with whatever data appropriate - stored or free text. I say almost because I still can't trigger to WP. I need to investigate the cross-reference that calls WP^DIE a little further. I worked on this problem a few years ago and gave up on it because of inability to trigger a WP field. I'm not sure what it is you feel you don't understand, as you sure know this code better than I. Below, I present a couple of examples, just to see if we are in the same book. Sorry to chew up so much bandwidth. Just like to be sure we are on same sheet.. 1. Example 1: I created two fields to test WPTEST (WP field) and (WPCODETRGTEST) a SET OF CODES FIELD. Select Utility Functions Option: cross-Reference A Field What type of cross-reference (Traditional or New)? Traditional// TRADITIONAL MODIFY WHAT FILE: ENCOUNTERS FILE// Select FIELD: wpcODETRGTEST NO CURRENT CROSS-REFERENCE WANT TO CREATE A NEW CROSS-REFERENCE FOR THIS FIELD? No// y (Yes) CROSS-REFERENCE NUMBER: 1// Select TYPE OF INDEXING: REGULAR// tRIGGER WHEN THE WPCODETRGTEST field (#2021) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) IS CHA NGED, WHAT FIELD SHOULD BE 'TRIGGERED': WPTEST ...WPTEST YOU MUST IDENTIFY SOME FIELD, EITHER WITHIN THE 'ENCOUNTERS FILE' FILE OR IN SOME OTHER WHEN THE WPCODETRGTEST field (#2021) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) IS CHA NGED, WHAT FIELD SHOULD BE 'TRIGGERED': As you see, nothing happens here when I try to fire trigger at WPTEST. Now look at the inelegant, though powerful, one that works. As you can see, I lack programming proficiency. However, if I can make this thing work, think of the possibilities for general population.tx/t Example 2: Two fields (both date fields - though anything except WP works) === MODIFY WHAT FILE: ENCOUNTERS FILE// Select FIELD: DATETRG NO CURRENT CROSS-REFERENCE WANT TO CREATE A NEW CROSS-REFERENCE FOR THIS FIELD? No// Y (Yes) CROSS-REFERENCE NUMBER: 1// Select TYPE OF INDEXING: REGULAR// TRIGGER WHEN THE DATETRG field (#2025) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) IS CHANGED, WHAT FIELD SHOULD BE 'TRIGGERED': TRGDA By 'TRGDA', do you mean ENCOUNTERS FILE 'TRGDATERESULT'? Yes// (Yes) ...OK ---SET LOGIC--- IN ANSWERING THE FOLLOWING QUESTION, 'TRGDATERESULT' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE EXISTING TRIGGERED FIELD VALUE. PLEASE ENTER AN EXPRESSION WHICH WILL BECOME THE VALUE OF THE TRGDATERESULT field (#2026) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) WHENEVER THE 'DATETRG' FIELD IS ENTERED OR CHANGED: DATETRG DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE SETTING OF 'TRGDATERESULT' CONDITIONAL? No// Y (Yes) ENTER AN EXPRESSION FOR THE CONDITION: TRGDATERESULT= ---KILL LOGIC--- IN ANSWERING THE FOLLOWING QUESTION, 'TRGDATERESULT' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE EXISTING TRIGGERED FIELD VALUE. NOTE: 'OLD DATETRG' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE VALUE OF THE DATETRG FIELD BEFORE ITS CHANGE OR DELETION. PLEASE ENTER AN EXPRESSION WHICH WILL BECOME THE VALUE OF THE TRGDATERESULT field (#2026) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) WHENEVER THE 'DATETRG' FIELD IS CHANGED OR DELETED: DATETRG DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE SETTING OF 'TRGDATERESULT' CONDITIONAL? No// Y (Yes) NOTE: 'OLD DATETRG' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE VALUE OF THE DATETRG FIELD BEFORE ITS CHANGE OR DELETION. ENTER AN EXPRESSION FOR THE CONDITION: TRGDATERESULT=// WANT TO PROTECT THE 'TRGDATERESULT' FIELD, SO THAT IT CAN'T BE CHANGED BY THE 'ENTER EDIT' ROUTINE? No// (No) ...CROSS-REFERENCE IS SET DO YOU WANT TO RUN THE CROSS-REFERENCE FOR EXISTING ENTRIES NOW? No// (No) == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:33 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented? Thurman, I understand a full 10% of what you just said. But having said that, I think I saw that one can work with WP fields when making computed fields. Does that relate at all? Kevin
Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
Have you explored using Dragon NaturallySpeaking for doing the initial typing of your notes? The computer record your voice and types at the same time, Then the transcriptionist can listen to what you said and correct it if it doesn't match. I understand that having that done by the transcriptionist is much less expensive and faster that way. . I have the name of a person who works for the company who puts out NaturallySpeaking and handles the technical issues for the VA where they use it with VistA if anyone would like me to connect up with her to find out the details of how it is done at VA hospitals. I was introduced to her by a friend at an IT vendors session at VA Headquarters were I work. Unfortunately, I could only talk with her for a few minutes, but she said having the right hardware was important, particularly enough memory. Memory is pretty cheap now. Personally, I was impressed that by feeding Dragon a few hundred of my written notes, it was able to pick up a lot of the medical vocabulary I use without my having to buy the medical vocabulary from the company, which saved a chunk of change. On Wednesday 26 January 2005 11:46 am, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: I didn't realize that. But in my case, it wouldn't be an issue. Here is my plan. A doctor uses CPRS to partly create a note. He doesn't sign it--just leaves it imcomplete. He might use templates to create the bulk of the note. However, sometimes templates don't capture the essence of a patient's problem, and narrative is required. The doctor would dictate this part. Then, during the upload process, the transcribed portion and the doctor's portion will be merged appropriately. This final note will be marked as requiring a doctor's signiture. I think this would capture the best of both worlds -- dictation and low cost not creation. Kevin Dewaine Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember that if you edit the text of a signed progress note the electronic signature will become a hashed jumble. This is a security feature designed into the product to ensure that once a document is signed its contents are not changed. (a watermark of sorts) You would want to be able to go into court and say with 100% confidence that the note that they printed out is the same note you signed and that no one has added or deleted anything since! So, when it comes to TIU, be careful. Dewaine --- Greg Woodhouse wrote: As a general rule, it is best not to touch the 0-node. What I recommend doding is extracting the file into a temporary array ($$GET1^DIQ will work), making any changes or additions you wish, and then filing it with WP^DIE. --- Kevin Toppenberg wrote: So it looks like the field is stored as: (...,TEXT,x,0), with x being the subsequent lines of the document. ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,0)=^^31^31^3050125^ The line I really want to understand is the line above. Those 31's refer to the number of lines in the document. I want to be able to insert text into a WP field programatically. So I will need to changed the Maxline property etc. So does anyone know where I can find the documentation for these field/pieces? Thanks Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members = A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive
RE: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
I didn't send it at 3:35 am, it was much more like 3:35 pm the preceding day! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg Woodhouse, 3:35am?? You need to get out more! John Clemens IT Specialist, Software IRMS Veterans Affairs Medical Center (662) 4150 Clement Street San Francisco, CA 94121 Phone: 415.221.4810 x4540 (Tu,Wed,Thu) Digital Pager:415.303.0388 ( Mon,Fri) Fax: 415.750.2177 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:23 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented? Calling the following code from the set logic of a new style cross-reference (on .01) should do the job: XREF; S ^TMP($J,WP,1)=LINE ONE S ^TMP($J,WP,2)=LINE TWO D WP^DIE(file#,DA_,,field#,,$NA(^TMP($J,WP))) K ^TMP($J,WP) Q --- Thurman Pedigo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, Guess that's because I don't understand it either. However, I find trigger one of the most tools I have in FileMan. It has been around for over 20 years (think MS SQL implemented it around 5-6 yr ago - with much fanfare). Just by using the change of value of a field as an event, one can populate almost any other field with whatever data appropriate - stored or free text. I say almost because I still can't trigger to WP. I need to investigate the cross-reference that calls WP^DIE a little further. I worked on this problem a few years ago and gave up on it because of inability to trigger a WP field. I'm not sure what it is you feel you don't understand, as you sure know this code better than I. Below, I present a couple of examples, just to see if we are in the same book. Sorry to chew up so much bandwidth. Just like to be sure we are on same sheet.. 1. Example 1: I created two fields to test WPTEST (WP field) and (WPCODETRGTEST) a SET OF CODES FIELD. Select Utility Functions Option: cross-Reference A Field What type of cross-reference (Traditional or New)? Traditional// TRADITIONAL MODIFY WHAT FILE: ENCOUNTERS FILE// Select FIELD: wpcODETRGTEST NO CURRENT CROSS-REFERENCE WANT TO CREATE A NEW CROSS-REFERENCE FOR THIS FIELD? No// y (Yes) CROSS-REFERENCE NUMBER: 1// Select TYPE OF INDEXING: REGULAR// tRIGGER WHEN THE WPCODETRGTEST field (#2021) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) IS CHA NGED, WHAT FIELD SHOULD BE 'TRIGGERED': WPTEST ...WPTEST YOU MUST IDENTIFY SOME FIELD, EITHER WITHIN THE 'ENCOUNTERS FILE' FILE OR IN SOME OTHER WHEN THE WPCODETRGTEST field (#2021) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) IS CHA NGED, WHAT FIELD SHOULD BE 'TRIGGERED': As you see, nothing happens here when I try to fire trigger at WPTEST. Now look at the inelegant, though powerful, one that works. As you can see, I lack programming proficiency. However, if I can make this thing work, think of the possibilities for general population.tx/t Example 2: Two fields (both date fields - though anything except WP works) === MODIFY WHAT FILE: ENCOUNTERS FILE// Select FIELD: DATETRG NO CURRENT CROSS-REFERENCE WANT TO CREATE A NEW CROSS-REFERENCE FOR THIS FIELD? No// Y (Yes) CROSS-REFERENCE NUMBER: 1// Select TYPE OF INDEXING: REGULAR// TRIGGER WHEN THE DATETRG field (#2025) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) IS CHANGED, WHAT FIELD SHOULD BE 'TRIGGERED': TRGDA By 'TRGDA', do you mean ENCOUNTERS FILE 'TRGDATERESULT'? Yes// (Yes) ...OK ---SET LOGIC--- IN ANSWERING THE FOLLOWING QUESTION, 'TRGDATERESULT' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE EXISTING TRIGGERED FIELD VALUE. PLEASE ENTER AN EXPRESSION WHICH WILL BECOME THE VALUE OF THE TRGDATERESULT field (#2026) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) WHENEVER THE 'DATETRG' FIELD IS ENTERED OR CHANGED: DATETRG DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE SETTING OF 'TRGDATERESULT' CONDITIONAL? No// Y (Yes) ENTER AN EXPRESSION FOR THE CONDITION: TRGDATERESULT= ---KILL LOGIC--- IN ANSWERING THE FOLLOWING QUESTION, 'TRGDATERESULT' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE EXISTING TRIGGERED FIELD VALUE. NOTE: 'OLD DATETRG' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE VALUE OF THE DATETRG FIELD BEFORE ITS CHANGE OR DELETION. PLEASE ENTER AN EXPRESSION WHICH WILL BECOME THE VALUE OF THE TRGDATERESULT field (#2026) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) WHENEVER THE 'DATETRG' FIELD IS CHANGED OR DELETED: DATETRG DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE SETTING OF 'TRGDATERESULT' CONDITIONAL? No// Y (Yes) NOTE: 'OLD DATETRG' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE VALUE OF THE DATETRG FIELD BEFORE ITS CHANGE OR DELETION. ENTER AN EXPRESSION
Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
I had found that page too. But I don't see anywhere the documentation for the ..."TEXT",0) entry, i.e. what piece of the ^^1234^^1234 value means. Thanks KevinGreg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is a bit tough to find, isn't it? I had to do a bit of lookingaround myself. Anyway, it's in the Advanced User Manual under "AdvancedEdit Techniques". See--- Kevin Toppenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hello all, I am wondering where i get get information about how WP fields are stored. Here is an example WP field: ^TIU(8925.2,0)="TIU UPLOAD BUFFER^8925.2^240^2" ^TIU(8925.2,238,0)="19062^90^3050121.162059" ^TIU(8925.2,238,"ERR",0)="^8925.22PA^1^1" ^TIU(8925.2,238,"ERR",1,0)=3119 ^TIU(8925.2,238,"ERR","B",3119,1)="" ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",0)="^^31^31^3050125^" ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",1,0)="[NewDict]: NOTE" ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",2,0)="Patient Name: XXX,X" ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",3,0)="Date Of Birth: 00/00/00" ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",4,0)="Social Sec. Number: P" ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",5,0)="Chart Number: 1" ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",6,0)="DOB: 00/00/00" ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",7,0)="Provider: Topp,Kevin" ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",8,0)="Location: Laughlin_Office" ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",9,0)="[TEXT]" ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",10,0)=" " ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",11,0)="Name: MEDIC,TEST , DOB: 12:00:00 AM" ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",12,0)=" " -snip- ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",28,0)=" 2. Benign appearing lesion on the ear sta tus post cryotherapy today" ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",29,0)=" Follow up routinely." ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",30,0)=" Kevin Toppenberg MD" ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",31,0)=" KT/nlh"So it looks like the field is stored as: (...,"TEXT" ,x,0), with x being the subsequent lines of the document. ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",0)="^^31^31^3050125^" The line I really want to understand is the line above. Those 31's refer to the number of lines in the document. I want to be able to insert text into a WP field programatically. So I will need to changed the Maxline property etc. So does anyone know where I can find the documentation for these field/pieces? Thanks Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com--- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. S ave time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members =A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin DisraeliGreg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive ReportingTool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save timeby over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc.Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl___Hardhats-members mailing listHardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
Maybe that is when he got IN! On Thursday 27 January 2005 01:31 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg Woodhouse, 3:35am?? You need to get out more! John Clemens IT Specialist, Software IRMS Veterans Affairs Medical Center (662) 4150 Clement Street San Francisco, CA 94121 Phone: 415.221.4810 x4540 (Tu,Wed,Thu) Digital Pager:415.303.0388 ( Mon,Fri) Fax: 415.750.2177 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:23 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented? Calling the following code from the set logic of a new style cross-reference (on .01) should do the job: XREF; S ^TMP($J,WP,1)=LINE ONE S ^TMP($J,WP,2)=LINE TWO D WP^DIE(file#,DA_,,field#,,$NA(^TMP($J,WP))) K ^TMP($J,WP) Q --- Thurman Pedigo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, Guess that's because I don't understand it either. However, I find trigger one of the most tools I have in FileMan. It has been around for over 20 years (think MS SQL implemented it around 5-6 yr ago - with much fanfare). Just by using the change of value of a field as an event, one can populate almost any other field with whatever data appropriate - stored or free text. I say almost because I still can't trigger to WP. I need to investigate the cross-reference that calls WP^DIE a little further. I worked on this problem a few years ago and gave up on it because of inability to trigger a WP field. I'm not sure what it is you feel you don't understand, as you sure know this code better than I. Below, I present a couple of examples, just to see if we are in the same book. Sorry to chew up so much bandwidth. Just like to be sure we are on same sheet.. 1. Example 1: I created two fields to test WPTEST (WP field) and (WPCODETRGTEST) a SET OF CODES FIELD. Select Utility Functions Option: cross-Reference A Field What type of cross-reference (Traditional or New)? Traditional// TRADITIONAL MODIFY WHAT FILE: ENCOUNTERS FILE// Select FIELD: wpcODETRGTEST NO CURRENT CROSS-REFERENCE WANT TO CREATE A NEW CROSS-REFERENCE FOR THIS FIELD? No// y (Yes) CROSS-REFERENCE NUMBER: 1// Select TYPE OF INDEXING: REGULAR// tRIGGER WHEN THE WPCODETRGTEST field (#2021) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) IS CHA NGED, WHAT FIELD SHOULD BE 'TRIGGERED': WPTEST ...WPTEST YOU MUST IDENTIFY SOME FIELD, EITHER WITHIN THE 'ENCOUNTERS FILE' FILE OR IN SOME OTHER WHEN THE WPCODETRGTEST field (#2021) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) IS CHA NGED, WHAT FIELD SHOULD BE 'TRIGGERED': As you see, nothing happens here when I try to fire trigger at WPTEST. Now look at the inelegant, though powerful, one that works. As you can see, I lack programming proficiency. However, if I can make this thing work, think of the possibilities for general population.tx/t Example 2: Two fields (both date fields - though anything except WP works) === MODIFY WHAT FILE: ENCOUNTERS FILE// Select FIELD: DATETRG NO CURRENT CROSS-REFERENCE WANT TO CREATE A NEW CROSS-REFERENCE FOR THIS FIELD? No// Y (Yes) CROSS-REFERENCE NUMBER: 1// Select TYPE OF INDEXING: REGULAR// TRIGGER WHEN THE DATETRG field (#2025) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) IS CHANGED, WHAT FIELD SHOULD BE 'TRIGGERED': TRGDA By 'TRGDA', do you mean ENCOUNTERS FILE 'TRGDATERESULT'? Yes// (Yes) ...OK ---SET LOGIC--- IN ANSWERING THE FOLLOWING QUESTION, 'TRGDATERESULT' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE EXISTING TRIGGERED FIELD VALUE. PLEASE ENTER AN EXPRESSION WHICH WILL BECOME THE VALUE OF THE TRGDATERESULT field (#2026) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) WHENEVER THE 'DATETRG' FIELD IS ENTERED OR CHANGED: DATETRG DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE SETTING OF 'TRGDATERESULT' CONDITIONAL? No// Y (Yes) ENTER AN EXPRESSION FOR THE CONDITION: TRGDATERESULT= ---KILL LOGIC--- IN ANSWERING THE FOLLOWING QUESTION, 'TRGDATERESULT' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE EXISTING TRIGGERED FIELD VALUE. NOTE: 'OLD DATETRG' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE VALUE OF THE DATETRG FIELD BEFORE ITS CHANGE OR DELETION. PLEASE ENTER AN EXPRESSION WHICH WILL BECOME THE VALUE OF THE TRGDATERESULT field (#2026) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) WHENEVER THE 'DATETRG' FIELD IS CHANGED OR DELETED: DATETRG DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE SETTING OF 'TRGDATERESULT' CONDITIONAL? No// Y (Yes) NOTE: 'OLD DATETRG' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE VALUE OF THE DATETRG FIELD BEFORE ITS CHANGE OR DELETION. ENTER AN EXPRESSION FOR THE CONDITION: TRGDATERESULT=// WANT TO PROTECT THE 'TRGDATERESULT' FIELD, SO THAT IT CAN'T
RE: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
Nancy, Which version of Dragon Dictate is this? Thanks, thurman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy E. Anthracite Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 3:12 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented? Have you explored using Dragon NaturallySpeaking for doing the initial typing of your notes? The computer record your voice and types at the same time, Then the transcriptionist can listen to what you said and correct it if it doesn't match. I understand that having that done by the transcriptionist is much less expensive and faster that way. . I have the name of a person who works for the company who puts out NaturallySpeaking and handles the technical issues for the VA where they use it with VistA if anyone would like me to connect up with her to find out the details of how it is done at VA hospitals. I was introduced to her by a friend at an IT vendors session at VA Headquarters were I work. Unfortunately, I could only talk with her for a few minutes, but she said having the right hardware was important, particularly enough memory. Memory is pretty cheap now. Personally, I was impressed that by feeding Dragon a few hundred of my written notes, it was able to pick up a lot of the medical vocabulary I use without my having to buy the medical vocabulary from the company, which saved a chunk of change. On Wednesday 26 January 2005 11:46 am, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: I didn't realize that. But in my case, it wouldn't be an issue. Here is my plan. A doctor uses CPRS to partly create a note. He doesn't sign it--just leaves it imcomplete. He might use templates to create the bulk of the note. However, sometimes templates don't capture the essence of a patient's problem, and narrative is required. The doctor would dictate this part. Then, during the upload process, the transcribed portion and the doctor's portion will be merged appropriately. This final note will be marked as requiring a doctor's signiture. I think this would capture the best of both worlds -- dictation and low cost not creation. Kevin Dewaine Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember that if you edit the text of a signed progress note the electronic signature will become a hashed jumble. This is a security feature designed into the product to ensure that once a document is signed its contents are not changed. (a watermark of sorts) You would want to be able to go into court and say with 100% confidence that the note that they printed out is the same note you signed and that no one has added or deleted anything since! So, when it comes to TIU, be careful. Dewaine --- Greg Woodhouse wrote: As a general rule, it is best not to touch the 0-node. What I recommend doding is extracting the file into a temporary array ($$GET1^DIQ will work), making any changes or additions you wish, and then filing it with WP^DIE. --- Kevin Toppenberg wrote: So it looks like the field is stored as: (...,TEXT,x,0), with x being the subsequent lines of the document. ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,0)=^^31^31^3050125^ The line I really want to understand is the line above. Those 31's refer to the number of lines in the document. I want to be able to insert text into a WP field programatically. So I will need to changed the Maxline property etc. So does anyone know where I can find the documentation for these field/pieces? Thanks Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members = A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy
Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
Remember that if you edit the text of a signed progress note the electronic signature will become a hashed jumble. This is a security feature designed into the product to ensure that once a document is signed its contents are not changed. (a watermark of sorts) You would want to be able to go into court and say with 100% confidence that the note that they printed out is the same note you signed and that no one has added or deleted anything since! So, when it comes to TIU, be careful. Dewaine --- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a general rule, it is best not to touch the 0-node. What I recommend doding is extracting the file into a temporary array ($$GET1^DIQ will work), making any changes or additions you wish, and then filing it with WP^DIE. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it looks like the field is stored as: (...,TEXT,x,0), with x being the subsequent lines of the document. ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,0)=^^31^31^3050125^ The line I really want to understand is the line above. Those 31's refer to the number of lines in the document. I want to be able to insert text into a WP field programatically. So I will need to changed the Maxline property etc. So does anyone know where I can find the documentation for these field/pieces? Thanks Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members = A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
I didn't realize that. But in my case, it wouldn't be an issue. Here is my plan. A doctor uses CPRS to partly create a note. He doesn't sign it--just leaves it imcomplete. He might use templates to create the bulk of the note. However, sometimes templates don't capture the essence of a patient's problem, and narrative is required. The doctor would dictate this part. Then, during the upload process, the transcribed portion and the doctor's portion will be merged appropriately. This final note will be marked as requiring a doctor's signiture. I think this would capture the best of both worlds -- dictation and low cost not creation. Kevin Dewaine Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember that if you edit the text of a signedprogress note the electronic signature will become ahashed jumble. This is a security feature designedinto the product to ensure that once a document issigned its contents are not changed. (a watermark ofsorts)You would want to be able to go into court and saywith 100% confidence that the note that they printedout is the same note you signed and that no one hasadded or deleted anything since! So, when it comes to TIU, be careful.Dewaine--- Greg Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: As a general rule, it is best not to touch the 0-node. What I recommend doding is extracting the file into a temporary array ($$GET1^DIQ will work), making any changes or additions you wish, and then filing it with WP^DIE. --- Kevin Toppenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: So it looks like the field is stored as: (...,"TEXT",x,0), with x being the subsequent lines of the document.^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",0)="^^31^31^3050125^"The line I really want to understand is the line above. Those 31's refer to the number of lines in the document. I want to be able to insert text into a WP field programatically. So I will need to changed the Maxline property etc.So does anyone know where I can find the documentation for these field/pieces?Thanks Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members= A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---This SF .Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive ReportingTool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save timeby over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc.Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl___Hardhats-members mailing listHardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
Ok. That does sound safer. Kevin Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a general rule, it is best not to touch the 0-node. What I recommenddoding is extracting the file into a temporary array ($$GET1^DIQ willwork), making any changes or additions you wish, and then filing itwith WP^DIE.--- Kevin Toppenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: So it looks like the field is stored as: (...,"TEXT",x,0), with x being the subsequent lines of the document. ^TIU(8925.2,238,"TEXT",0)="^^31^31^3050125^" The line I really want to understand is the line above. Those 31's refer to the number of lines in the document. I want to be able to insert text into a WP field programatically. So I will need to changed the Maxline property etc. So does anyone know where I can find the documentation for these field/pieces? Thanks Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com--- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members =A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin DisraeliGreg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive ReportingTool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save timeby over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc.Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl___Hardhats-members mailing listHardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
RE: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
Kevin, Guess that's because I don't understand it either. However, I find trigger one of the most tools I have in FileMan. It has been around for over 20 years (think MS SQL implemented it around 5-6 yr ago - with much fanfare). Just by using the change of value of a field as an event, one can populate almost any other field with whatever data appropriate - stored or free text. I say almost because I still can't trigger to WP. I need to investigate the cross-reference that calls WP^DIE a little further. I worked on this problem a few years ago and gave up on it because of inability to trigger a WP field. I'm not sure what it is you feel you don't understand, as you sure know this code better than I. Below, I present a couple of examples, just to see if we are in the same book. Sorry to chew up so much bandwidth. Just like to be sure we are on same sheet.. 1. Example 1: I created two fields to test WPTEST (WP field) and (WPCODETRGTEST) a SET OF CODES FIELD. Select Utility Functions Option: cross-Reference A Field What type of cross-reference (Traditional or New)? Traditional// TRADITIONAL MODIFY WHAT FILE: ENCOUNTERS FILE// Select FIELD: wpcODETRGTEST NO CURRENT CROSS-REFERENCE WANT TO CREATE A NEW CROSS-REFERENCE FOR THIS FIELD? No// y (Yes) CROSS-REFERENCE NUMBER: 1// Select TYPE OF INDEXING: REGULAR// tRIGGER WHEN THE WPCODETRGTEST field (#2021) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) IS CHA NGED, WHAT FIELD SHOULD BE 'TRIGGERED': WPTEST ...WPTEST YOU MUST IDENTIFY SOME FIELD, EITHER WITHIN THE 'ENCOUNTERS FILE' FILE OR IN SOME OTHER WHEN THE WPCODETRGTEST field (#2021) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) IS CHA NGED, WHAT FIELD SHOULD BE 'TRIGGERED': As you see, nothing happens here when I try to fire trigger at WPTEST. Now look at the inelegant, though powerful, one that works. As you can see, I lack programming proficiency. However, if I can make this thing work, think of the possibilities for general population.tx/t Example 2: Two fields (both date fields - though anything except WP works) === MODIFY WHAT FILE: ENCOUNTERS FILE// Select FIELD: DATETRG NO CURRENT CROSS-REFERENCE WANT TO CREATE A NEW CROSS-REFERENCE FOR THIS FIELD? No// Y (Yes) CROSS-REFERENCE NUMBER: 1// Select TYPE OF INDEXING: REGULAR// TRIGGER WHEN THE DATETRG field (#2025) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) IS CHANGED, WHAT FIELD SHOULD BE 'TRIGGERED': TRGDA By 'TRGDA', do you mean ENCOUNTERS FILE 'TRGDATERESULT'? Yes// (Yes) ...OK ---SET LOGIC--- IN ANSWERING THE FOLLOWING QUESTION, 'TRGDATERESULT' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE EXISTING TRIGGERED FIELD VALUE. PLEASE ENTER AN EXPRESSION WHICH WILL BECOME THE VALUE OF THE TRGDATERESULT field (#2026) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) WHENEVER THE 'DATETRG' FIELD IS ENTERED OR CHANGED: DATETRG DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE SETTING OF 'TRGDATERESULT' CONDITIONAL? No// Y (Yes) ENTER AN EXPRESSION FOR THE CONDITION: TRGDATERESULT= ---KILL LOGIC--- IN ANSWERING THE FOLLOWING QUESTION, 'TRGDATERESULT' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE EXISTING TRIGGERED FIELD VALUE. NOTE: 'OLD DATETRG' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE VALUE OF THE DATETRG FIELD BEFORE ITS CHANGE OR DELETION. PLEASE ENTER AN EXPRESSION WHICH WILL BECOME THE VALUE OF THE TRGDATERESULT field (#2026) of the ENCOUNTERS FILE File (#20036) WHENEVER THE 'DATETRG' FIELD IS CHANGED OR DELETED: DATETRG DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE SETTING OF 'TRGDATERESULT' CONDITIONAL? No// Y (Yes) NOTE: 'OLD DATETRG' CAN BE USED TO REFER TO THE VALUE OF THE DATETRG FIELD BEFORE ITS CHANGE OR DELETION. ENTER AN EXPRESSION FOR THE CONDITION: TRGDATERESULT=// WANT TO PROTECT THE 'TRGDATERESULT' FIELD, SO THAT IT CAN'T BE CHANGED BY THE 'ENTER EDIT' ROUTINE? No// (No) ...CROSS-REFERENCE IS SET DO YOU WANT TO RUN THE CROSS-REFERENCE FOR EXISTING ENTRIES NOW? No// (No) == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:33 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented? Thurman, I understand a full 10% of what you just said. But having said that, I think I saw that one can work with WP fields when making computed fields. Does that relate at all? Kevin --- Thurman Pedigo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has the potential of being a powerful addition to VistA. For some time I have wondered if one could trigger text into the WP field. If so, an entire new array of macro's can be triggered into this field, creating a nice narrative historical (or physical) entry. I tried the concept a few time and never got it to work. Is the trigger to WP possible as the product now exists? It needs
Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
That is a bit tough to find, isn't it? I had to do a bit of looking around myself. Anyway, it's in the Advanced User Manual under Advanced Edit Techniques. See http://www.hardhats.org/fileman/u2/e3_frm.htm --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I am wondering where i get get information about how WP fields are stored. Here is an example WP field: ^TIU(8925.2,0)=TIU UPLOAD BUFFER^8925.2^240^2 ^TIU(8925.2,238,0)=19062^90^3050121.162059 ^TIU(8925.2,238,ERR,0)=^8925.22PA^1^1 ^TIU(8925.2,238,ERR,1,0)=3119 ^TIU(8925.2,238,ERR,B,3119,1)= ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,0)=^^31^31^3050125^ ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,1,0)=[NewDict]: NOTE ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,2,0)=Patient Name: XXX,X ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,3,0)=Date Of Birth: 00/00/00 ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,4,0)=Social Sec. Number: P ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,5,0)=Chart Number: 1 ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,6,0)=DOB: 00/00/00 ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,7,0)=Provider: Topp,Kevin ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,8,0)=Location: Laughlin_Office ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,9,0)=[TEXT] ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,10,0)= ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,11,0)=Name: MEDIC,TEST , DOB: 12:00:00 AM ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,12,0)= -snip- ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,28,0)= 2. Benign appearing lesion on the ear sta tus post cryotherapy today ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,29,0)= Follow up routinely. ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,30,0)= Kevin Toppenberg MD ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,31,0)= KT/nlh So it looks like the field is stored as: (...,TEXT,x,0), with x being the subsequent lines of the document. ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,0)=^^31^31^3050125^ The line I really want to understand is the line above. Those 31's refer to the number of lines in the document. I want to be able to insert text into a WP field programatically. So I will need to changed the Maxline property etc. So does anyone know where I can find the documentation for these field/pieces? Thanks Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members = A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Where is the data structure for WP fields documented?
As a general rule, it is best not to touch the 0-node. What I recommend doding is extracting the file into a temporary array ($$GET1^DIQ will work), making any changes or additions you wish, and then filing it with WP^DIE. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it looks like the field is stored as: (...,TEXT,x,0), with x being the subsequent lines of the document. ^TIU(8925.2,238,TEXT,0)=^^31^31^3050125^ The line I really want to understand is the line above. Those 31's refer to the number of lines in the document. I want to be able to insert text into a WP field programatically. So I will need to changed the Maxline property etc. So does anyone know where I can find the documentation for these field/pieces? Thanks Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members = A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
