Re: [H] Hardrive failure..

2006-02-22 Thread Thane Sherrington (S)

At 03:49 PM 21/02/2006, Stan Zaske wrote:

Phonebook it?


Put a phonebook over it to protect the drive from obvious abuse and 
whack it with a hammer.


T 



Re: [H] Geforce 6800GS performance..

2006-02-22 Thread Raul Limos
On 2/22/06, Stan Zaske [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Compared to Geforce 6800GT, something interesting happened. They
 achieved the same performance on 3DMark2001 SE and 3DMark03, and
 achieved very similar performance on Doom 3. But on 3DMark05 GeForce
 6800 GS was up to 11.78% faster than GeForce 6800 GT and on Far Cry it
 was up to 16.45% faster. To us, this means that GeForce 6800 GS is
 clearly optimized to DirectX 9.0c (shader 3.0) games.

Nice review.  I've got the Chaintech version of this card.



Re: [H] Hardrive failure..

2006-02-22 Thread Greg Sevart
Phonebooking is a pretty unethical practice to start. In my mind, it is only 
justified in the case of a marginal drive that is clearly having problems, 
but not overt enough to convince the manufacturer to RMA it. Phonebooking to 
prevent data recovery seems unjustified--if your data is that important, you 
shouldn't be sending it back to begin with.


But that's my rule--everyone else must decide what lets them still sleep at 
night. :)

Greg

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At 03:49 PM 21/02/2006, Stan Zaske wrote:

Phonebook it?


Put a phonebook over it to protect the drive from obvious abuse and whack 
it with a hammer.


T






Re: [H] Hardrive failure..

2006-02-22 Thread Thane Sherrington (S)

At 11:29 AM 22/02/2006, Greg Sevart wrote:
In the second case, the manufacturer has already upheld their 
end--agreeing to repalce the drive--so adding furhter damage is 
unnecessary. What if your problem is simply a bad PCBA, with good 
media? The damage phonebooking inflicts is on the media/heads, so 
you may have ruined a perfectly good component after the 
manufacturer already agreed to take it back. In my mind, this isn't justified.


Ok, I can go along with that.  I withdraw my phonebooking suggestion.

T 



Re: [H] Hardrive failure..

2006-02-22 Thread Stan Zaske
Wouldn't they still know the drive had been exposed to high kinetic 
impact when they took it apart an found the crashed heads and pits in 
the platters? I assume they take them apart to see what failed for 
quality purposes. Other than that I do appreciate the suggestion. Quite 
clever actually.



Thane Sherrington (S) wrote:


At 03:49 PM 21/02/2006, Stan Zaske wrote:


Phonebook it?



Put a phonebook over it to protect the drive from obvious abuse and 
whack it with a hammer.


T






Re: [H] Geforce 6800GS performance..

2006-02-22 Thread Stan Zaske
What I find most interesting is that in almost every bench the 6800GS 
beat the 6800GT so it makes little sense to pay the extra cash for a GT. 
Look out Ati!



Raul Limos wrote:


On 2/22/06, Stan Zaske [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 


Compared to Geforce 6800GT, something interesting happened. They
achieved the same performance on 3DMark2001 SE and 3DMark03, and
achieved very similar performance on Doom 3. But on 3DMark05 GeForce
6800 GS was up to 11.78% faster than GeForce 6800 GT and on Far Cry it
was up to 16.45% faster. To us, this means that GeForce 6800 GS is
clearly optimized to DirectX 9.0c (shader 3.0) games.
   



Nice review.  I've got the Chaintech version of this card.



 





Re: [H] Hardrive failure..

2006-02-22 Thread Stan Zaske
Ethical or not, I'd like to send it back intact so Maxtor can see the 
precise reason it failed for future quality improvements.



Thane Sherrington (S) wrote:


At 10:38 AM 22/02/2006, Greg Sevart wrote:

Phonebooking is a pretty unethical practice to start. In my mind, it 
is only justified in the case of a marginal drive that is clearly 
having problems, but not overt enough to convince the manufacturer to 
RMA it. Phonebooking to prevent data recovery seems unjustified--if 
your data is that important, you shouldn't be sending it back to 
begin with.



Maybe you're right, but I can't see the ethical problem in 
phonebooking an already dead HD.  If it's ok to phonebook a marginal 
drive, how is it any worse to phone book an drive that will definitely 
get RMA'd?


T






Re: [H] Hardrive failure..

2006-02-22 Thread Thane Sherrington (S)

At 03:01 PM 22/02/2006, Stan Zaske wrote:
Wouldn't they still know the drive had been exposed to high kinetic 
impact when they took it apart an found the crashed heads and pits 
in the platters? I assume they take them apart to see what failed 
for quality purposes. Other than that I do appreciate the 
suggestion. Quite clever actually.


Not that I've ever seen.

T 



Re: [H] Hardrive failure..

2006-02-22 Thread Wayne Johnson

At 02:01 PM 2/22/2006, Stan Zaske typed:
Wouldn't they still know the drive had been exposed to high kinetic 
impact when they took it apart an found the crashed heads and pits 
in the platters? I assume they take them apart to see what failed 
for quality purposes.


I would imagine they spot check but at the cost of drives these days 
I seriously doubt they check every one.



--+--
   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
http://www.wavijo.com 



Re: [H] Hardrive failure..

2006-02-22 Thread Thane Sherrington (S)

At 05:25 PM 22/02/2006, Wayne Johnson wrote:

At 02:01 PM 2/22/2006, Stan Zaske typed:
Wouldn't they still know the drive had been exposed to high kinetic 
impact when they took it apart an found the crashed heads and pits 
in the platters? I assume they take them apart to see what failed 
for quality purposes.


I would imagine they spot check but at the cost of drives these days 
I seriously doubt they check every one.


It's Maxtor.  I doubt they check any. :)

T 



[H] OE annoyance ?

2006-02-22 Thread FORC5
a friend is telling me when he forwards email that pictures do not forward, 
confirmed. Any ideas accepted. OE,  I use Eudora.
fp


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RE: [H] OE annoyance ?

2006-02-22 Thread Chris Reeves
It's because OE creates really bad HTML Email that doesn't actually embed
pictures very well.  At least, that's my experience.  So, you end up using
Outlook.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FORC5
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:00 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] OE annoyance ?

a friend is telling me when he forwards email that pictures do not forward,
confirmed. Any ideas accepted. OE,  I use Eudora.
fp


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[H] WD Clear Cover HDDS?

2006-02-22 Thread Chris Reeves








Anyone play with the new Clear Cover WD HDDS?



Thoughts?