Re: [H] Gold and silver recovery and refining was: I'm SHOCKED !!!!
Al, You're a brick, son! Very cool... :) That's about how I learned PC's and networking.. Best, Duncan At 17:31 04/07/2007 -0400, you wrote: DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just how have you managed to learn so many different kinds of stuff? Always ready for a new challenge. When ppl ask, "Can you do that? Have you ever done that before?" I reply with everything I've ever done, at one point, I hadn't done before. best, al snip This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
RE: [H] HD troubles Part II
I had a system a work last year where the HD would click like the OP said, then there would be a freeze of a couple of seconds. PITA. After trying to figure out the problem, I replaced the HD and had no more problems. Bobby -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 2:43 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] HD troubles Part II Are you fairly certain it is the hard that is the culprit? You try that new drive with a new OS install in that same system sans the old drive? >From: "Brian Weeden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Hardware List >To: "The Hardware List" >Subject: Re: [H] HD troubles Part II >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:30:51 -0600 > >Can anyone help with deciphering this? Am I good or is this SMART >stuff saying the drive is bad? > >http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pIkHR2B_QrGUU7s5_T3v9eQ > >Basically, I am trying to clone the drive but both utilities I have >tried (gparted and Acronis) weren't able to copy it. chkdisk lists no >errors. I am running off the HD right now, no serious problems except >in games it causes some stuttering when loading lots of data and >occasionally the whole PC freezes for ~20 secs at a time. > >-- >Brian
Re: [H] Gold and silver recovery and refining was: I'm SHOCKED !!!!
On Apr 7, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Al Anger wrote: FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: gold recovery, I wonder how this is done and if it is worth it ?. In the early eighties, I remodeled a good size, two story building called The Miami Postal Credit Union into a gold and silver recovery and refining plant for a company called IMC, Intercontinental Medals Corp. ... any questions? Very cool pics, thanks for sharing!! Details are sketchy, but in the 80s my dad's publishing company used to do typesetting and some printing for making books (we didn't do the actual mass printings, just for in house usage, and creation of the master copies). Anyway, I don't really remember what most of the hardware was, but we had some mainframe type things whose name escapes me at the moment (had BIG tape spools), that connected to some sort of film processing unit (big!)--it spit out pages of film that you then had to take over to another unit that bathed it in chemicals and i guess developed it. (all this done in a darkroom) At some point in the mix (the development machine I guess) there was a "silver reprocessor" unit that dealt with the waste chemicals and extracted silver out of it. All that stuff was scrapped probably 15-20 years ago--i think my dad kept the silver reprocessor though, as it was the only smallish thing. (unless somebody through it through one of our windows--i think that might have happened at some point :p) Scott
Re: [H] HD troubles Part II
I finally got the cloning done. I used the Acronis Emergency Disk to make a bootable CD-RW. It sat there for a good 15 min at 0% complete but I just came back after running errands for a couple hours and it was done. I am using the new cloned drive now and it seems to be perfect. I don't really trust the SMART stuff either, I read through Google's big HD analysis and it was pretty interesting. For a really good analysis, check out Security Now Episode 81: http://www.twit.tv/sn81 I will run some games and see if the problems persist but it seems to be all good now. On 4/7/07, Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 11:30 AM 07/04/2007, Brian Weeden wrote: >Can anyone help with deciphering this? Am I good or is this SMART >stuff saying the drive is bad? It's going bad: Raw Read Rate and Seek Error rate have high raw numbers and the Worst numbers are different than current (which means even the normalized values are changing.) In my experience this drive is going to go bad quickly. T -- Brian
Re: [H] Gold and silver recovery and refining was: I'm SHOCKED !!!!
DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just how have you managed to learn so many different kinds of stuff? Always ready for a new challenge. When ppl ask, "Can you do that? Have you ever done that before?" I reply with everything I've ever done, at one point, I hadn't done before. best, al
Re: [H] HD troubles Part II
At 11:30 AM 07/04/2007, Brian Weeden wrote: Can anyone help with deciphering this? Am I good or is this SMART stuff saying the drive is bad? It's going bad: Raw Read Rate and Seek Error rate have high raw numbers and the Worst numbers are different than current (which means even the normalized values are changing.) In my experience this drive is going to go bad quickly. T
Re: [H] Gold and silver recovery and refining was: I'm SHOCKED !!!!
Al, Just how have you managed to learn so many different kinds of stuff? Now, I feel like I need to get another degree and start another career... NOT! Great pix. Very interesting. Reminds me of the last time I visited the steel foundries in Gary, IN to fix some BrandX machines. Mucho warm even in January! Best, Duncan At 15:03 04/07/2007 -0400, you wrote: FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > gold recovery, I wonder how this is done and if it is worth it ?. In the early eighties, I remodeled a good size, two story building called The Miami Postal Credit Union into a gold and silver recovery and refining plant for a company called IMC, Intercontinental Medals Corp. I stayed on for almost a year as plant manager. The had some new methods of refining that worked well in the lab, but not so great in full scale practice. We made a lot of changes to the machinery to get it to work. Here are some pix from PR Press Day. We were not allowed to take pix of our own. All pix are staged, this is before we really got into production. These are from the official brochure. Sorry, the pix are a little bad because the brochure went through hurricane Andrew, '92. One was the main kiln. It was used for the bilk work; separating most of the impurities from the precious metal. It had doors on the side that when opened, set the walls on fire, even with protective material on the walls. Me with a brand new heat suit: http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/kiln1.jpg The object in front of the kiln is for poring the crucibles with; they get locked into the ring. Next, with the doors open: http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/kiln2.jpg The kiln wasn't hot that day. I welded the doors shut, cut the top off the kiln and made a roiling top that slid to one side. Also a vent to collect the heat when open, and blow it outside. This unit was for the finish refining: http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/kiln3.jpg What you see is the finish end of the kiln. http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/kiln4.jpg These white trays were loaded with the ~90% refined metal, and placed in the kiln. Cleaning flux is added through a hole in the top and the flux is scraped off at regular intervals; until the metal reaches .999. Then the tray is pulled to the finish half of the kiln (kiln3.jpg) with the upper crank handle. (with the wire sloppily wound around it) Then the lower crank handle tilts the tray to pore the molten metal into the ingot molds. All this is done in an argon atmosphere. The ingots are allowed to cool till solid in the argon gas. We spent months working out the bugs in this design. (that's me - without the hard hat) I only have one pic of the electro-deplating room: http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/electro.jpg Similar to fries cooked in oil at MickyD's The scrap is lowered into a cyanide bath and de-plated onto plates hung from the rods. You can see two of the rods in the upper position. The cyanide bath has to be kept at exactly the right pH or everyone in the room drops over. :( There were sensors to detect any cyanide in the air. On the roof of the building I installed giant scrubbers to clean all of the air coming from the plant: http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/clean.jpg Here are some shots of me in the assay lab, testing for potential precious metal in the raw scrap: http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/lab.jpg and http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/lab2.jpg any questions? best, al __ NOD32 2172 (20070407) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
Re: [H] HD troubles Part II
Are you fairly certain it is the hard that is the culprit? You try that new drive with a new OS install in that same system sans the old drive? From: "Brian Weeden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: "The Hardware List" Subject: Re: [H] HD troubles Part II Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:30:51 -0600 Can anyone help with deciphering this? Am I good or is this SMART stuff saying the drive is bad? http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pIkHR2B_QrGUU7s5_T3v9eQ Basically, I am trying to clone the drive but both utilities I have tried (gparted and Acronis) weren't able to copy it. chkdisk lists no errors. I am running off the HD right now, no serious problems except in games it causes some stuttering when loading lots of data and occasionally the whole PC freezes for ~20 secs at a time. -- Brian _ Cant afford to quit your job? Earn your AS, BS, or MS degree online in 1 year. http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866145&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3D866143
Re: [H] Gold and silver recovery and refining was: I'm SHOCKED !!!!
"Rick Glazier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just the original one (IIRC). How much is the gold worth > that is recovered from a standard RAM chip. (Any pin #...) This was early eighties, so I don't know. Sorry > > (Neat pictures, thanks.) your welcome. al
Re: [H] Gold and silver recovery and refining was: I'm SHOCKED !!!!
FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: gold recovery, I wonder how this is done and if it is worth it ?. From: "Al Anger" http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/lab.jpg any questions? Just the original one (IIRC). How much is the gold worth that is recovered from a standard RAM chip. (Any pin #...) (Neat pictures, thanks.) Rick Glazier
[H] Gold and silver recovery and refining was: I'm SHOCKED !!!!
FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > gold recovery, I wonder how this is done and if it is worth it ?. In the early eighties, I remodeled a good size, two story building called The Miami Postal Credit Union into a gold and silver recovery and refining plant for a company called IMC, Intercontinental Medals Corp. I stayed on for almost a year as plant manager. The had some new methods of refining that worked well in the lab, but not so great in full scale practice. We made a lot of changes to the machinery to get it to work. Here are some pix from PR Press Day. We were not allowed to take pix of our own. All pix are staged, this is before we really got into production. These are from the official brochure. Sorry, the pix are a little bad because the brochure went through hurricane Andrew, '92. One was the main kiln. It was used for the bilk work; separating most of the impurities from the precious metal. It had doors on the side that when opened, set the walls on fire, even with protective material on the walls. Me with a brand new heat suit: http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/kiln1.jpg The object in front of the kiln is for poring the crucibles with; they get locked into the ring. Next, with the doors open: http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/kiln2.jpg The kiln wasn't hot that day. I welded the doors shut, cut the top off the kiln and made a roiling top that slid to one side. Also a vent to collect the heat when open, and blow it outside. This unit was for the finish refining: http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/kiln3.jpg What you see is the finish end of the kiln. http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/kiln4.jpg These white trays were loaded with the ~90% refined metal, and placed in the kiln. Cleaning flux is added through a hole in the top and the flux is scraped off at regular intervals; until the metal reaches .999. Then the tray is pulled to the finish half of the kiln (kiln3.jpg) with the upper crank handle. (with the wire sloppily wound around it) Then the lower crank handle tilts the tray to pore the molten metal into the ingot molds. All this is done in an argon atmosphere. The ingots are allowed to cool till solid in the argon gas. We spent months working out the bugs in this design. (that's me - without the hard hat) I only have one pic of the electro-deplating room: http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/electro.jpg Similar to fries cooked in oil at MickyD's The scrap is lowered into a cyanide bath and de-plated onto plates hung from the rods. You can see two of the rods in the upper position. The cyanide bath has to be kept at exactly the right pH or everyone in the room drops over. :( There were sensors to detect any cyanide in the air. On the roof of the building I installed giant scrubbers to clean all of the air coming from the plant: http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/clean.jpg Here are some shots of me in the assay lab, testing for potential precious metal in the raw scrap: http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/lab.jpg and http://al_anger.home.comcast.net/gold/lab2.jpg any questions? best, al
RE: [H] HD troubles Part II
My Raw Read Error Rate is 0 on all 4 of my drives. Seek Error Rate is 0 on all 4 of my drives. I do have one drive with a Reallocated Sector Count of 72, a reallocation event count of 60, Current Pending Sector count of 2, Uncorrectable Sector Count of 1, and a Write Error Count of 1. Guess I need to start looking for a new drive, I guess. Bobby -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:31 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] HD troubles Part II Can anyone help with deciphering this? Am I good or is this SMART stuff saying the drive is bad? http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pIkHR2B_QrGUU7s5_T3v9eQ Basically, I am trying to clone the drive but both utilities I have tried (gparted and Acronis) weren't able to copy it. chkdisk lists no errors. I am running off the HD right now, no serious problems except in games it causes some stuttering when loading lots of data and occasionally the whole PC freezes for ~20 secs at a time. -- Brian
Re: [H] HD troubles Part II
Looks better than my drive! (I have 5 reallocations and one pending...) Note: Google recently released a white paper describing their experience with Smart HD stats on their (IIRC) 100K drives. They found no reason to trust them. Some drives complain and then work, and others go "belly up" with NO warning... (But Smart is a start...) Rick Glazier From: "Brian Weeden" Can anyone help with deciphering this? Am I good or is this SMART stuff saying the drive is bad? http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pIkHR2B_QrGUU7s5_T3v9eQ Basically, I am trying to clone the drive but both utilities I have tried (gparted and Acronis) weren't able to copy it. chkdisk lists no errors. I am running off the HD right now, no serious problems except in games it causes some stuttering when loading lots of data and occasionally the whole PC freezes for ~20 secs at a time.
Re: [H] HD troubles Part II
Can anyone help with deciphering this? Am I good or is this SMART stuff saying the drive is bad? http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pIkHR2B_QrGUU7s5_T3v9eQ Basically, I am trying to clone the drive but both utilities I have tried (gparted and Acronis) weren't able to copy it. chkdisk lists no errors. I am running off the HD right now, no serious problems except in games it causes some stuttering when loading lots of data and occasionally the whole PC freezes for ~20 secs at a time. -- Brian
